Browns headed for standoff with Dawson?
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Could be that time of year to have a moronic discussion on how the kicker sucks because he missed a couple in his career.
Most Extra Points – Career
641 Lou Groza (1950-59, 1961-67)
432 Don Cockroft (1968-80)
248 Matt Bahr (1981-89)
195 Phil Dawson (1999-2006)
156 Matt Stover (1991-95)
44 Sam Baker (1960-61)
Most Field Goals – Career
234 Lou Groza (1950-59, 1961-67)
216 Don Cockroft (1968-80)
156 Phil Dawson (1999-2006)
143 Matt Bahr (1981-89)
108 Matt Stover (1991-95)
14 Jerry Kauric (1990)
Most Field Goals – Season
29 Matt Stover (1995)
27 Phil Dawson (2005)
26 Matt Stover (1994)
24 Phil Dawson (2004)
24 Matt Bahr (1988)
24 Matt Bahr (1984)
23 Lou Groza (1953)
22 Phil Dawson (2002)
22 Phil Dawson (2001)
22 Don Cockroft (1973)
22 Don Cockroft (1972)
22 Lou Groza (1964)
Most Field Goals – Game
6 Phil Dawson (11/05/2006 at San Diego
Chargers)
5 Phil Dawson (01/02/2005 at Houston Texans)
5 Matt Stover (10/29/1995 at Cincinnati
Bengals)
5 Don Cockroft (10/19/1975 at Denver Broncos)
4 Phil Dawson (10/08/2006 at Carolina
Panthers)
4 Phil Dawson (09/19/2004 at Dallas Cowboys)
4 Phil Dawson (09/08/2002 vs. Kansas City
Chiefs)
4 Phil Dawson (11/25/2001 vs. Cincinnati
Bengals)
4 Phil Dawson (11/12/2000 vs. New England
Patriots)
4 Matt Stover, 4 times, most recent
(12/17/1995 vs. Cincinnati Bengals)
4 Don Cockroft, 4 times, most recent
(09/02/1979 at New York Jets)
Most Consecutive Games Field Goal Made
14 Lou Groza (1950) 10 (1951) 4
Most Consecutive Field Goals Made
27 Phil Dawson (2003) 10 (2004) 17
23 Matt Stover (1994) 20 (1995) 3
21 Phil Dawson (2001) 15 (2002) 6
20 Phil Dawson (2004) 5 (2005) 15
16 Don Cockroft (1974) 11 (1975) 5
Highest Field Goal Percentage – Career
(minimum 50 attempts)
82.10 Phil Dawson (1999-2006); 156-190
80.60 Matt Stover (1991-95); 108-134
74.09 Matt Bahr (1981-89); 143-193
65.85 Don Cockroft (1968-80); 216-328
58.10 Lou Groza (1950-59, 1961-67); 233-401
Highest Field Goal Percentage – Season
(minimum 14 attempts)
93.10 Phil Dawson (2005); 27-29
92.86 Matt Stover (1994); 26-28
88.46 Lou Groza (1953); 23-26
88.00 Phil Dawson (2001); 22-25
87.88 Matt Stover (1995); 29-33
87.50 Matt Bahr (1983); 21-24
87.50 Don Cockroft (1974); 14-16
I believe he's 7th all time in accuracy right now.
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FG% is really the only kicker stat I look at because the team puts him in position to kick FG and PAT, so, on a shity O, the kicker simply gets less looks.
That being said, here's what I look at for him, and those numbers look good (thanks for posting them, Riff):
Highest Field Goal Percentage – Season
(minimum 14 attempts)
93.10 Phil Dawson (2005); 27-29
92.86 Matt Stover (1994); 26-28
88.46 Lou Groza (1953); 23-26
88.00 Phil Dawson (2001); 22-25
87.88 Matt Stover (1995); 29-33
87.50 Matt Bahr (1983); 21-24
87.50 Don Cockroft (1974); 14-16
I believe he's 7th all time in accuracy right now.
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I like him a lot as a kicker.. I think he's been very beneficial for us. I don't want to say he is the most accurate kicker b/c the last time I heard anyone say that a kicker is the most accurate good ole' Vanderjagt missed a fg against the Steelers and they went on to Detroit if I'm not mistaken... SO with all that said I'll take Phil as he is...
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i saw him kick 4 of 5 from 65 yards at a practice. It was in Rochester, NY before a Browns/ Bills combined practice. He had a pretty good tailwind, and he was kicking with one of those ball holder thingies that they use off the ground. There was no rush- he was just kicking before the full team practice like kickers do. Obviously, conditions were good. But it was still fun to watch, and he knew he was putting on a show.
The one that he missed was wide.
Flugel hosted us. Tom, what year was that?
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SoupDawg said:
What are the stats against the NFL? lol.🥷
compare him to matt stover now please, not just when he was with the browns, teh lol
You've managed to stick out a little cuz of your penchant for Planet Moronville. Did you happen to see where he ranks 7th all time with 100 plus attempts?
Phew, let's get the friggen season going already, the brightness some of these boys possess is shear brilliance. Here's a list where he's 9th but 100 minimum attempts is not needed.
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Football Leaders & Football Records : Single-Season · Career · Active · Year-by-Year
Rank Player (age), + - HOFer, Bold - Active FG% Years Teams
1. Nick Folk (24) 86.792% 2007-2008 dal
2. Mike Vanderjagt 86.466% 1998-2006 2TM
3. Nate Kaeding (26) 86.131% 2004-2008 sdg
4. Robbie Gould (26) 85.938% 2005-2008 chi
5. Shayne Graham (31) 85.644% 2001-2008 3TM
6. Stephen Gostkowski (24) 85.556% 2006-2008 nwe
7. Rob Bironas (30) 84.496% 2005-2008 oti
8. Matt Stover (40) 83.696% 1991-2008 2TM
9. Phil Dawson (33) 82.813% 1999-2008 cle
10. Jeff Reed (29) 82.653% 2002-2008 pit
11. John Carney (44) 82.585% 1988-2008 7TM
12. Ryan Longwell (34) 82.222% 1997-2008 2TM
13. Jason Hanson (38) 82.186% 1992-2008 det
14. Matt Bryant (33) 82.143% 2002-2008 4TM
15. Adam Vinatieri (36) 82.134% 1996-2008 2TM
16. Jeff Wilkins 81.867% 1994-2007 3TM
17. John Kasay (39) 81.607% 1991-2008 2TM
18. Mike Nugent (26) 81.522% 2005-2008 nyj
19. Jason Elam (38) 81.382% 1993-2008 2TM
20. Jay Feely (32) 81.377% 2001-2008 4TM
21. Josh Brown (29) 81.215% 2003-2008 2TM
22. David Akers (34) 80.986% 1998-2008 2TM
23. Olindo Mare (35) 80.403% 1997-2008 3TM
24. Rian Lindell (31) 80.392% 2000-2008 2TM
25. Doug Brien 80.233% 1994-2005 7TM
26. Gary Anderson 80.060% 1982-2004 5TM
27. Lawrence Tynes (30) 80.000% 2004-2008 2TM
Joe Nedney (35) 80.000% 1996-2008 7TM
Richie Cunningham 80.000% 1997-2002 3TM
Mike Hollis 80.000% 1995-2002 2TM
31. Nick Lowery 79.958% 1978-1996 3TM
32. Morten Andersen 79.690% 1982-2007 5TM
33. Pete Stoyanovich 79.532% 1989-2000 3TM
34. Mason Crosby (24) 79.452% 2007-2008 gnb
35. Todd Peterson 79.392% 1994-2005 6TM
36. Josh Scobee (26) 79.389% 2004-2008 jax
37. Kris Brown (32) 78.571% 1999-2008 2TM
38. Chris Boniol 78.528% 1994-1999 3TM
39. Steve Christie 77.958% 1990-2004 4TM
40. Shaun Suisham (27) 77.907% 2005-2008 2TM
41. Al Del Greco 77.283% 1984-2000 3TM
42. Doug Pelfrey 77.273% 1993-1999 cin
43. Sebastian Janikowski (30) 77.186% 2000-2008 rai
44. Neil Rackers (32) 77.143% 2000-2008 2TM
David Treadwell 77.143% 1989-1994 2TM
46. Cary Blanchard 77.103% 1992-2000 5TM
47. Bill Gramatica 77.083% 2001-2004 2TM
48. Norm Johnson 76.730% 1982-1999 4TM
49. Martin Gramatica (33) 76.355% 1999-2008 4TM
50. Chris Jacke 76.226% 1989-1999 3TM
51. Brad Daluiso 76.190% 1991-2001 5TM
52. Brett Conway 75.824% 1998-2003 5TM
53. Lin Elliott 75.758% 1992-1995 2TM
54. Eddie Murray 75.536% 1980-2000 7TM
55. Donald Igwebuike 75.524% 1985-1990 2TM
56. Fuad Reveiz 75.200% 1985-1995 3TM
57. Paul Edinger 75.000% 2000-2005 2TM
58. John Hall 74.632% 1997-2006 2TM
59. Jeff Jaeger 74.110% 1987-1999 3TM
60. Tony Zendejas 73.810% 1985-1995 4TM
61. Raul Allegre 73.656% 1983-1991 3TM
62. Paul McFadden 73.620% 1984-1989 3TM
63. Kevin Butler 73.407% 1985-1997 2TM
64. Scott Blanton 73.333% 1996-1998 was
65. Mike Lansford 72.811% 1982-1990 ram
66. Cole Ford 72.581% 1995-1998 2TM
67. Matt Bahr 72.289% 1979-1995 6TM
Billy Cundiff 72.289% 2002-2006 2TM
Roger Ruzek 72.289% 1987-1993 2TM
70. Scott Norwood 72.283% 1985-1991 buf
71. Rich Karlis 71.967% 1982-1990 3TM
72. Chip Lohmiller 71.831% 1988-1996 3TM
73. Wade Richey 71.698% 1998-2004 3TM
74. Jose Cortez 71.622% 1999-2005 7TM
75. Jim Breech 71.471% 1979-1992 2TM
76. Pat Leahy 71.362% 1974-1991 nyj
77. Dave Rayner (26) 71.186% 2005-2008 5TM
78. Michael Husted 71.000% 1993-2002 4TM
79. Tim Seder 70.968% 2000-2002 2TM
80. Dean Biasucci 70.611% 1984-1995 2TM
81. Rafael Septien 70.313% 1977-1986 2TM
82. Rolf Benirschke 70.192% 1977-1986 sdg
83. Mick Luckhurst 70.122% 1981-1987 atl
84. Max Zendejas 69.388% 1986-1988 2TM
85. Greg Davis 68.923% 1987-1998 6TM
86. Ken Willis 68.750% 1990-1992 3TM
87. Ali Haji-Sheikh 68.468% 1983-1987 3TM
88. Bobby Layne+ 68.000% 1948-1962 4TM
89. Toni Fritsch 67.965% 1971-1982 4TM
90. Efren Herrera 67.836% 1974-1982 3TM
91. Uwe von Schamann 67.785% 1979-1984 mia
92. Chuck Nelson 67.742% 1983-1988 3TM
93. Jason Staurovsky 67.500% 1987-1992 3TM
94. Ray Wersching 67.477% 1973-1987 2TM
95. Luis Zendejas 67.273% 1987-1989 2TM
96. Garo Yepremian 67.093% 1966-1981 4TM
97. Tony Franklin 67.045% 1979-1988 3TM
98. John Smith 67.016% 1974-1983 nwe
99. Jan Stenerud+ 66.846% 1967-1985 3TM
100. Tim Mazzetti 66.176% 1978-1980 atl
101. Mike Cofer 66.169% 1987-1995 3TM
102. Rick Danmeier 66.038% 1977-1982 min
103. Don Cockroft 65.854% 1968-1980 cle
104. Mark Moseley 65.646% 1970-1986 4TM
105. Scott Sisson 65.455% 1993-1996 2TM
106. Benny Ricardo 64.789% 1976-1984 5TM
107. Horst Muhlmann 64.435% 1969-1977 2TM
108. Errol Mann 64.130% 1968-1978 3TM
109. Chris Bahr 63.255% 1976-1989 3TM
110. Bob Thomas 63.180% 1975-1986 4TM
111. Jim Bakken 63.087% 1962-1978 crd
112. Rich Szaro 62.712% 1975-1979 2TM
113. George Blair 62.500% 1961-1964 sdg
114. Jim Turner 62.295% 1964-1979 2TM
115. Fred Cox 61.978% 1963-1977 min
116. David Ray 61.798% 1969-1974 ram
117. Chester Marcol 61.735% 1972-1980 2TM
118. Tom Dempsey 61.628% 1969-1979 5TM
119. Bill Capece 61.429% 1981-1983 tam
120. Bruce Gossett 60.833% 1964-1974 2TM
121. Frank Corral 60.484% 1978-1981 ram
122. John Leypoldt 60.390% 1971-1978 3TM
123. Roy Gerela 60.131% 1969-1979 3TM
124. Bruce Alford 59.615% 1967-1969 2TM
125. Neil O'Donoghue 59.259% 1977-1985 3TM
126. Mike Wood 59.184% 1978-1982 4TM
127. Toni Linhart 59.055% 1972-1979 3TM
128. Bobby Howfield 59.036% 1968-1974 2TM
129. Pete Gogolak 58.844% 1964-1974 2TM
130. Dennis Partee 58.678% 1968-1975 sdg
131. Don Chandler 58.385% 1956-1967 2TM
132. Joe Danelo 58.333% 1975-1984 3TM
133. Fred Cone 57.843% 1951-1960 2TM
134. Curt Knight 57.714% 1969-1973 was
135. Mike Clark 57.328% 1963-1973 3TM
136. Sam Baker 56.646% 1953-1969 4TM
137. Nick Mike-Mayer 56.373% 1973-1982 3TM
138. Doak Walker+ 56.322% 1950-1955 det
139. Charlie Gogolak 55.914% 1966-1972 2TM
140. Skip Butler 55.906% 1971-1977 3TM
141. Jim O'Brien 55.556% 1970-1973 2TM
142. Fred Steinfort 55.263% 1976-1983 5TM
143. Gerry Perry 55.172% 1954-1962 2TM
144. Lou Groza+ 54.886% 1946-1967 cle
145. Lou Michaels 54.839% 1958-1971 4TM
146. Bob Waterfield+ 54.545% 1945-1952 ram
Bill Bell 54.545% 1971-1973 2TM
148. Harvey Johnson 53.846% 1946-1951 2TM
149. Jerry Kramer 53.704% 1958-1968 gnb
150. Paige Cothren 53.226% 1957-1959 2TM
151. Mac Percival 53.158% 1967-1974 2TM
152. Danny Villanueva 53.125% 1960-1967 2TM
153. Gino Cappelletti 52.853% 1960-1970 nwe
154. Les Richter 52.727% 1954-1962 ram
155. George Blanda+ 52.426% 1949-1975 4TM
156. Mike Mercer 52.308% 1961-1970 6TM
157. Dale Livingston 51.852% 1968-1970 2TM
158. Gary Kroner 51.786% 1965-1967 den
159. Charlie Durkee 51.485% 1967-1972 nor
160. Bob Khayat 51.351% 1960-1963 was
161. Steve Mike-Mayer 51.145% 1975-1980 4TM
162. Bill McClard 50.980% 1972-1975 2TM
Bob Etter 50.980% 1968-1969 atl
Ben Agajanian 50.980% 1945-1964 9TM
165. Bobby Walston 50.955% 1951-1962 phi
166. Gene Mingo 50.909% 1960-1970 5TM
167. Pat Harder 50.725% 1946-1953 2TM
168. Gordie Soltau 50.360% 1950-1958 sfo
169. Bill Dudley+ 50.000% 1942-1953 3TM
Roger LeClerc 50.000% 1960-1967 2TM
Dick Van Raaphorst 50.000% 1964-1967 2TM
172. Steve Myhra 48.352% 1957-1961 clt
173. Tommy Brooker 48.235% 1962-1966 kan
174. Jim Martin 47.917% 1950-1964 4TM
175. Cliff Patton 47.826% 1946-1951 2TM
176. Pat Summerall 47.170% 1952-1961 3TM
177. Paul Hornung+ 47.143% 1957-1966 gnb
178. Tommy Davis 47.101% 1959-1969 sfo
179. Booth Lusteg 46.667% 1966-1969 4TM
180. Bill Shockley 45.614% 1960-1968 3TM
181. Ward Cuff 41.837% 1937-1947 3TM
182. John Wittenborn 41.667% 1958-1968 3TM
183. Wayne H. Walker 40.458% 1958-1972 det
184. Dick Bielski 40.000% 1955-1963 3TM
185. Ted Fritsch 36.735% 1942-1950 gnb
186. Bert Rechichar 35.227% 1952-1961 4TM
187. John Aveni 34.921% 1959-1961 2TM
188. Jack Spikes 33.898% 1960-1967 3TM
189. Augie Lio 32.692% 1941-1947 4TM
190. Dick Guesman 32.258% 1960-1964 2TM
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How old is he? 35 or 36? While kickers careers can last quite a bit longer than every other position, how much time does he really have left in the NFL and he's going to piss away one of those seasons over money? Screw him...he's a kicker for god's sake not a football player.
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How old is he? 35 or 36? While kickers careers can last quite a bit longer than every other position, how much time does he really have left in the NFL and he's going to piss away one of those seasons over money? Screw him...he's a kicker for god's sake not a football player.
How old is he? 35 or 36? While kickers careers can last quite a bit longer than every other position, how much time does he really have left in the NFL and he's going to piss away one of those seasons over money? Screw him...he's a kicker for god's sake not a football player.
The best player on our team (based on results) is Ryan Pontbriand. Are you going to start attacking him next?
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How old is he? 35 or 36? While kickers careers can last quite a bit longer than every other position, how much time does he really have left in the NFL and he's going to piss away one of those seasons over money? Screw him...he's a kicker for god's sake not a football player.
The best player on our team (based on results) is Ryan Pontbriand. Are you going to start attacking him next?
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Well excuse me Mr. Wizard......great he's 33 years old...again my question is he really going to piss away one of the few NFL seasons he has left on a contract dispute? If he's willing to sit out the year then god bless him...sit on your ass and not play but I would bet a lot of money that he will regret that decision for the rest of his life.
Kickers are almost always the highest scoring player on every team so that doesn't impress me...
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Big Head's not some soccer fag prima dona, he was a linebacker back in the day and only started kicking when he quit growing. making those lists as high as he does while kicking in CLE should pay a premium for sure.
that list where he's 9th, if you remove guys who kicked for 4 years or less he's 4th overall, with a 40 yr old Stover at #3. Stover is still kicking at 40, 7 years older than Phil who has only gotten better and more seasoned with his age so IMO it's best to keep a guy like that happy for as long as possible.
i hope kok/man isn't like that guy who drives across town to get gas 3 cents cheaper per gal, when they're only buying 15 gallons anyway. generally you get what you pay for and unless he's asking for the world that investment is well worth the money.
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Zombo said:
This is a no-brainer.When you've got a good kicker you keep him.
33 is not too old for a four year contract.
Remember when we let Matt Bahr go too early for Jerry Kauric?
Brilliant.
Joe Montana would have 5 Super Bowls if it wasn't for Matt Bahr.
Zombo
I agree
It's one position we never really had to worry about. It was always one less thing. Just sign him.
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Zombo said:
This is a no-brainer.When you've got a good kicker you keep him.
33 is not too old for a four year contract.
Remember when we let Matt Bahr go too early for Jerry Kauric?
Brilliant.
Joe Montana would have 5 Super Bowls if it wasn't for Matt Bahr.
Zombo
I agree
It's one position we never really had to worry about. It was always one less thing. Just sign him.
I agree
It's one position we never really had to worry about. It was always one less thing. Just sign him.
Exactly. People think a guy like Phil can be replaced - until you go looking for a kicker.
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dawson kicked the most amazing field goal ever!
Both FG's in this game are great, but the long one is rediculous, with all that wind and snow in the air, and on the ground....
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I hope this isn't just another instance where Mangini's trying to make a statement.
Give Dawson a contract. Kicker is one place where we are among the elite. Don't screw that up.
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i always thought Dawson to be good locker room peeps too. as the longest retained current Brownie he has opinions for sure, and i wonder what turned Phil off from the get-go with this regime. this is consistent with his decision to miss voluntaries this summer and he's one of the few not totally buying in. maybe he just feels undervalued? he's a pro though so i have no doubt he won't be a detriment to the team.
off topic, watching that clip i saw DA's oven mitt--had forgotten about it. i bet he's more blue-collar and flannel wearing than we realize. anyone know what he hunts?
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@jadbf said:
I swear I am going to have an anuerism ......seriously.
I've compared him to stover, and all the hot sexy current names people want to throw out there now adays as "better kickers with more leg".
The stats show there really isn't that huge a difference.
and then you look where Dawson get's to kick for half of his games. and the fair weather kickers start to look even worse
I challenge all of you.
If dawson is here this year which I hope he is. Instead of tailgating so long. Go into the game early....real early....it's then when you will be able to see Phil out there. And he's not just going through a routine of taking practice kicks. He's studying every aspect of the wind, weather, and other conditions that will affect his kicks that game. It's that preparation that allows him to go out there in a game like the buffaloe game, and not even THINK about how the weather is affecting his kick, he already has that figured out. and from there it is execution.
I rarely see kickers from other teams doing that kind of prep...and in the buffalo game. they never even considered kicking from the distance dawsom made his from.
It's also worth mentioning that despite his command of terrible weather conditions, he is really, really good at onside kicks.
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TheJokersWILD said:
Jim Donavan "And the Browns are on the doorstep of making the playoffs" Yea how did that work out for you Jimbo?
Maybe you should send that clip to Mangini and note that kick could be the difference of playoffs or not.. or maybe even his job.. Pay the man.(Phil). I agree he is a GREAT bad weather kicker. Check this out...
Monday, November 16 vs BALTIMORE RAVENS
Sunday, November 22 @ Detroit Lions
Sunday, November 29 @ Cincinnati Bengals
Sunday, December 6 vs SAN DIEGO CHARGERS
Thursday, December 10 vs PITTSBURGH STEELERS
Sunday, December 20 @ Kansas City Chiefs
Sunday, December 27 vs OAKLAND RAIDERS
Sunday, January 3 vs JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS C
All but one (detroit) of those games from Nov. 16th on are potentially cold/bad weather games. I love it. That's football weather. How nice ofthem to give us teams from California and Florida at home to end the season.
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