Hue/Haley: Why The Browns Released Them!
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I believe the biggest problem is Hue is his own worst enemy. As in, he doesn't discipline his players to get the
best out of them, and he has little attention paid to continual development of his player's careers on the field - because he isn't disciplined - he doesn't pay attention
to the game as he watches it. Most Browns fans remember seeing three timeouts left on the scoreboard - yet Hue doesn't have a clue and doesn't remember?
Hue isn't intense. Every minute matters. Hue is so easy going that he doesn't pay attention.
It's tough to explain. But firing Hue had to be done.
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Wow, I’m rather stunned this article came from Bleacher Report (BR). It was well-written, and made a ton of sense. I don’t read a lot of BR because I don’t want to mess with a bunch of slideshows, as they tend to screw up my phone sometimes, but this article I enjoyed. That being said, it also makes me a bit sad. How did our ownership not know it was going to shake out like this? The article makes the rift between Hue and Haley seem inevitable.
Anyway, give our owners credit for acknowledging the problem and taking drastic steps to fix it. I’m not trying to be a negative jerk here, but our losses to Oakland and Tampa were probably worse than we think. The Bucs’ defense is atrocious, and Oakland isn’t going to beat much of anybody this year. Those two games, more than anything, speak volumes about the state of our team.
I don’t believe we’ll want an NFL “Re-Tread” coach leading our team, I really don’t. I see us going after a young, energetic, and creative offensive mind. I wouldn’t be shocked to see John DiFillipo (“Flip”) coaching our team. To those who forgot about him, he was here for a cup of coffee in 2015 I think when we were pretty decent on offense. Flip has been credited for helping the Eagles win the Super Bowl while developing both Wentz and Nick Foles. He’s now the OC for the Vikings, and while I don’t know their stats, I can say I’ve enjoyed watching their games and they seem to move the ball quite well. They use tight ends, implement the running game (despite injuries to Dalvin Cook), and aren’t afraid to attack vertically. Flip is just 39 years old, and was actually my next-door neighbor growing up until I was 5. How’s THAT for weird? LOL
I heard someone say “Josh McDaniels” the other day, and I think we can all sleep easy because I don’t see that happening. After the crap he pulled in Indy, I can’t see a team taking a risk on him, ESPECIALLY a team like ours that needs someone they can rely on. I’ve also heard the name Eric Bienemy, who is the OC for the Chiefs. While that might sound enticing, it’s important to remember that Bienemy doesn’t call plays, and it’d be a huge jump to hire an OC who doesn’t call his own plays. Still, given Dorsey’s strong connections with the Chiefs, and the fact Bienemy is a minority, it’s likely he’ll get an interview. If he knocks it out of the park, he could be our coach.
Right now, I’m leaning towards Flip. I’m sure that’s likely to change in the coming months, but I want a youthful coach looking to make his mark. Someone with new ideas, energy, and a person with a proven track record developing young QBs. As far as the defense goes, I’d be fine with keeping Gregg Williams. Are we perfect on defense? Of course not, but keeping Gregg would allow a LITTLE continuity, and the players love playing for him. He’s hard on them, expects perfection, and isn’t afraid to tell you where the bear $hits in the buckwheat.
Edit: The one name I keep hearing is the Packer's Mike McCarthy. We have a front office of Green Bay people, and I could see Dorsey making a play for McCarthy is the Packers move on from him. I don't think I want this though, and if someone can't get the job done with Aaron Rodgers, I'm not sure I want him coaching my young QB.
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Dorsey went full on Mad King Targareyan yesterday.
FIRE THEM ALL!!!!
(but not you Gregg)
Dorsey went full on Mad King Targareyan yesterday.
FIRE THEM ALL!!!!
(but not you Gregg)
Jimmy Haslam as Cersei Lannister?
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I believe the biggest problem is Hue is his own worst enemy. As in, he doesn't discipline his players to get the
best out of them, and he has little attention paid to continual development of his player's careers on the field - because he isn't disciplined - he doesn't pay attention
to the game as he watches it. Most Browns fans remember seeing three timeouts left on the scoreboard - yet Hue doesn't have a clue and doesn't remember?
Hue isn't intense. Every minute matters. Hue is so easy going that he doesn't pay attention.
It's tough to explain. But firing Hue had to be done.
I believe the biggest problem is Hue is his own worst enemy. As in, he doesn't discipline his players to get the
best out of them, and he has little attention paid to continual development of his player's careers on the field - because he isn't disciplined - he doesn't pay attention
to the game as he watches it. Most Browns fans remember seeing three timeouts left on the scoreboard - yet Hue doesn't have a clue and doesn't remember?
Hue isn't intense. Every minute matters. Hue is so easy going that he doesn't pay attention.
It's tough to explain. But firing Hue had to be done.
Translation: he was just a bad coach.
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Meh.
Kinda lost me after the first sentence.
Not starting your blue chip number one pick behind this sh it box of an Oline with a rookie LT that played 4 D1 games in college and using the Vet QB that your GM spent a 3rd round pick on still seems obvious to me. Now he is out there getting his head kicked in weekly with no WR to throw too. Not sure how much development he is getting.
Hell, if I'm Williams I give Baker the week off so he has two weeks to jive with the OC and not get embarrassed/beat on by KC.
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Meh.
Kinda lost me after the first sentence.
Not starting your blue chip number one pick behind this sh it box of an Oline with a rookie LT that played 4 D1 games in college and using the Vet QB that your GM spent a 3rd round pick on still seems obvious to me. Now he is out there getting his head kicked in weekly with no WR to throw too. Not sure how much development he is getting.
Hell, if I'm Williams I give Baker the week off so he has two weeks to jive with the OC and not get embarrassed/beat on by KC.
Meh.
Kinda lost me after the first sentence.
Not starting your blue chip number one pick behind this sh it box of an Oline with a rookie LT that played 4 D1 games in college and using the Vet QB that your GM spent a 3rd round pick on still seems obvious to me. Now he is out there getting his head kicked in weekly with no WR to throw too. Not sure how much development he is getting.
Hell, if I'm Williams I give Baker the week off so he has two weeks to jive with the OC and not get embarrassed/beat on by KC.
It is not our young QB that would be embarrassed by KC, as he could very well have some success vs. the KC defense, which is not all that good.
It is our defense that we would have to be concerned about.......for despite all the dysfunction on offense that led to these coaching changes, it was still our defense that the Steelers/Chargers went through like they were made of crepe paper.
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here we go.again. I cant wait to see another offseason of grown men on their knees giving blow jobs to the next HC of the clev browns while mumbling how much better he's going to be than the last guy. That sht never gets old.
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Wow, I’m rather stunned this article came from Bleacher Report (BR). It was well-written, and made a ton of sense. I don’t read a lot of BR because I don’t want to mess with a bunch of slideshows, as they tend to screw up my phone sometimes, but this article I enjoyed. That being said, it also makes me a bit sad. How did our ownership not know it was going to shake out like this? The article makes the rift between Hue and Haley seem inevitable.
Anyway, give our owners credit for acknowledging the problem and taking drastic steps to fix it. I’m not trying to be a negative jerk here, but our losses to Oakland and Tampa were probably worse than we think. The Bucs’ defense is atrocious, and Oakland isn’t going to beat much of anybody this year. Those two games, more than anything, speak volumes about the state of our team.
I don’t believe we’ll want an NFL “Re-Tread” coach leading our team, I really don’t. I see us going after a young, energetic, and creative offensive mind. I wouldn’t be shocked to see John DiFillipo (“Flip”) coaching our team. To those who forgot about him, he was here for a cup of coffee in 2015 I think when we were pretty decent on offense. Flip has been credited for helping the Eagles win the Super Bowl while developing both Wentz and Nick Foles. He’s now the OC for the Vikings, and while I don’t know their stats, I can say I’ve enjoyed watching their games and they seem to move the ball quite well. They use tight ends, implement the running game (despite injuries to Dalvin Cook), and aren’t afraid to attack vertically. Flip is just 39 years old, and was actually my next-door neighbor growing up until I was 5. How’s THAT for weird? LOL
I heard someone say “Josh McDaniels” the other day, and I think we can all sleep easy because I don’t see that happening. After the crap he pulled in Indy, I can’t see a team taking a risk on him, ESPECIALLY a team like ours that needs someone they can rely on. I’ve also heard the name Eric Bienemy, who is the OC for the Chiefs. While that might sound enticing, it’s important to remember that Bienemy doesn’t call plays, and it’d be a huge jump to hire an OC who doesn’t call his own plays. Still, given Dorsey’s strong connections with the Chiefs, and the fact Bienemy is a minority, it’s likely he’ll get an interview. If he knocks it out of the park, he could be our coach.
Right now, I’m leaning towards Flip. I’m sure that’s likely to change in the coming months, but I want a youthful coach looking to make his mark. Someone with new ideas, energy, and a person with a proven track record developing young QBs. As far as the defense goes, I’d be fine with keeping Gregg Williams. Are we perfect on defense? Of course not, but keeping Gregg would allow a LITTLE continuity, and the players love playing for him. He’s hard on them, expects perfection, and isn’t afraid to tell you where the bear $hits in the buckwheat.
Edit: The one name I keep hearing is the Packer's Mike McCarthy. We have a front office of Green Bay people, and I could see Dorsey making a play for McCarthy is the Packers move on from him. I don't think I want this though, and if someone can't get the job done with Aaron Rodgers, I'm not sure I want him coaching my young QB.
I don’t believe we’ll want an NFL “Re-Tread” coach leading our team, I really don’t. I see us going after a young, energetic, and creative offensive mind. I wouldn’t be shocked to see John DiFillipo (“Flip”) coaching our team. To those who forgot about him, he was here for a cup of coffee in 2015 I think when we were pretty decent on offense. Flip has been credited for helping the Eagles win the Super Bowl while developing both Wentz and Nick Foles. He’s now the OC for the Vikings, and while I don’t know their stats, I can say I’ve enjoyed watching their games and they seem to move the ball quite well. They use tight ends, implement the running game (despite injuries to Dalvin Cook), and aren’t afraid to attack vertically. Flip is just 39 years old, and was actually my next-door neighbor growing up until I was 5. How’s THAT for weird? LOL
Edit: The one name I keep hearing is the Packer's Mike McCarthy. We have a front office of Green Bay people, and I could see Dorsey making a play for McCarthy is the Packers move on from him. I don't think I want this though, and if someone can't get the job done with Aaron Rodgers, I'm not sure I want him coaching my young QB.
Didn't want to quote the entire post and I agree with most of it. Bienemy is an interesting choice but you bring up a good point, would we then need an OC who can call the plays while he runs the team? Not necessarily opposed to that, just something to consider. DiFillipo is becoming interesting despite the fact that I dont' even remember him being on our staff.
I heard McCarthy as a long shot candidate as well and he falls into the category of a guy who won his Super Bowl in Green Bay and will never win another one somewhere else. So I'm passing on him.
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I believe the biggest problem is Hue is his own worst enemy. As in, he doesn't discipline his players to get the
best out of them, and he has little attention paid to continual development of his player's careers on the field - because he isn't disciplined - he doesn't pay attention
to the game as he watches it. Most Browns fans remember seeing three timeouts left on the scoreboard - yet Hue doesn't have a clue and doesn't remember?
Hue isn't intense. Every minute matters. Hue is so easy going that he doesn't pay attention.
It's tough to explain. But firing Hue had to be done.
I believe the biggest problem is Hue is his own worst enemy. As in, he doesn't discipline his players to get the
best out of them, and he has little attention paid to continual development of his player's careers on the field - because he isn't disciplined - he doesn't pay attention
to the game as he watches it. Most Browns fans remember seeing three timeouts left on the scoreboard - yet Hue doesn't have a clue and doesn't remember?
Hue isn't intense. Every minute matters. Hue is so easy going that he doesn't pay attention.
It's tough to explain. But firing Hue had to be done.
As I said Cal, Hue was running Club Med. Resulting in the Browns leading the league in penalties. The Steelers are up there too in that category, but they have the talent to overcome mistakes, we don't.
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I believe the biggest problem is Hue is his own worst enemy. As in, he doesn't discipline his players to get the
best out of them, and he has little attention paid to continual development of his player's careers on the field - because he isn't disciplined - he doesn't pay attention
to the game as he watches it. Most Browns fans remember seeing three timeouts left on the scoreboard - yet Hue doesn't have a clue and doesn't remember?
Hue isn't intense. Every minute matters. Hue is so easy going that he doesn't pay attention.
It's tough to explain. But firing Hue had to be done.
As I said Cal, Hue was running Club Med. Resulting in the Browns leading the league in penalties. The Steelers are up there too in that category, but they have the talent to overcome mistakes, we don't.
As I said Cal, Hue was running Club Med. Resulting in the Browns leading the league in penalties. The Steelers are up there too in that category, but they have the talent to overcome mistakes, we don't.
Evidence being the day off he gave the team after beating Baltimore. Apparently the other coaches on the team were furious for giving the players the day off in early October and saw no need for it.
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Meh.
Kinda lost me after the first sentence.
Not starting your blue chip number one pick behind this sh it box of an Oline with a rookie LT that played 4 D1 games in college and using the Vet QB that your GM spent a 3rd round pick on still seems obvious to me. Now he is out there getting his head kicked in weekly with no WR to throw too. Not sure how much development he is getting.
Hell, if I'm Williams I give Baker the week off so he has two weeks to jive with the OC and not get embarrassed/beat on by KC.
It is not our young QB that would be embarrassed by KC, as he could very well have some success vs. the KC defense, which is not all that good.
It is our defense that we would have to be concerned about.......for despite all the dysfunction on offense that led to these coaching changes, it was still our defense that the Steelers/Chargers went through like they were made of crepe paper.
It is not our young QB that would be embarrassed by KC, as he could very well have some success vs. the KC defense, which is not all that good.
It is our defense that we would have to be concerned about.......for despite all the dysfunction on offense that led to these coaching changes, it was still our defense that the Steelers/Chargers went through like they were made of crepe paper.
I'm more worried about Baker getting his head kicked in after watching that Oline play last week.
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here we go.again. I cant wait to see another offseason of grown men on their knees giving blow jobs to the next HC of the clev browns while mumbling how much better he's going to be than the last guy. That sht never gets old.
here we go.again. I cant wait to see another offseason of grown men on their knees giving blow jobs to the next HC of the clev browns while mumbling how much better he's going to be than the last guy. That sht never gets old.
There is a reason:
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Yup.... KC has edge rushers that can generate pressure.
We have one shot: We are going to need to run the ball. Keep it away from KC's potent Offense while setting up our Play Action.
Also has the benefit of keeping our D rested. I saw it break Sunday in Heinz field under the weight of our Offensive ineptitude atop the Steeler onslaught.
So, of course, we need to actually post a TD at the end of some of our redzone visits...
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How do you get to be an NFL coach if you are a “poor” coach? How does that happen?
The Jackson hiring was a desperate move by Haslam, and we were all thrilled that we were able to get one of the most desirable prospects out there. We've learned that Hue is a very convincing talker, and a nice guy, but has several personality flaws....will not accept direct responsibility when things turn to crap....misleads, and has no problem pointing fingers, etc. Good assistant coaches / coordinators are always considered for HC jobs, but only a few become good head coaches. We could have lived with Hue's personality flaws if he was a good HC. The win / loss record says it all. Just like my Junior High algebra teacher told me, when I was making excuses for not having my homework done on time...."Liars will figure, but figures don't lie".
The Jackson hiring was a desperate move by Haslam, and we were all thrilled that we were able to get one of the most desirable prospects out there. We've learned that Hue is a very convincing talker, and a nice guy, but has several personality flaws....will not accept direct responsibility when things turn to crap....misleads, and has no problem pointing fingers, etc. Good assistant coaches / coordinators are always considered for HC jobs, but only a few become good head coaches. We could have lived with Hue's personality flaws if he was a good HC. The win / loss record says it all. Just like my Junior High algebra teacher told me, when I was making excuses for not having my homework done on time...."Liars will figure, but figures don't lie".
I'm not sure I agree with "desperate" but people tend to forget going into 2016 Mr. Jackson was on a very short "hot list" of coaching candidates. Heck, this SI article has him listed #1. https://www.si.com/mmqb/2015/12/30/nfl-head-coach-candidates-list-black-monday
I'm not sure I'm on the Haslam hate bandwagon as much as other people. He stays pretty quiet all things considered and seems to listen to the advice of those around him. He just got into a sinkhole of a situation that there was no good way out of.
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The Jackson hiring was a desperate move by Haslam, and we were all thrilled that we were able to get one of the most desirable prospects out there. We've learned that Hue is a very convincing talker, and a nice guy, but has several personality flaws....will not accept direct responsibility when things turn to crap....misleads, and has no problem pointing fingers, etc. Good assistant coaches / coordinators are always considered for HC jobs, but only a few become good head coaches. We could have lived with Hue's personality flaws if he was a good HC. The win / loss record says it all. Just like my Junior High algebra teacher told me, when I was making excuses for not having my homework done on time...."Liars will figure, but figures don't lie".
I'm not sure I agree with "desperate" but people tend to forget going into 2016 Mr. Jackson was on a very short "hot list" of coaching candidates. Heck, this SI article has him listed #1. https://www.si.com/mmqb/2015/12/30/nfl-head-coach-candidates-list-black-monday
I'm not sure I'm on the Haslam hate bandwagon as much as other people. He stays pretty quiet all things considered and seems to listen to the advice of those around him. He just got into a sinkhole of a situation that there was no good way out of.
I'm not sure I agree with "desperate" but people tend to forget going into 2016 Mr. Jackson was on a very short "hot list" of coaching candidates. Heck, this SI article has him listed #1. https://www.si.com/mmqb/2015/12/30/nfl-head-coach-candidates-list-black-monday
I'm not sure I'm on the Haslam hate bandwagon as much as other people. He stays pretty quiet all things considered and seems to listen to the advice of those around him. He just got into a sinkhole of a situation that there was no good way out of.
Right. We all thought we were lucky to get him because there WERE at least like 3 other teams that wanted his services. So, just like the evaluations of some draftees, the whole league can be wrong about how good a coach can be.
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