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you can buy whatever you want, I have and run multiple small/medium size business. Taxes affect me a TON
I served active duty and truly understand how violent the world really is and the need for smart military presence.
My problem is with Healthcare which for me is based on My morals and outlook on social standards, I happen to believe in balance in most aspects in life which also leads me to believe in being as envirementally balanced as I can be.
I have children and dont believe I need to live in such a way that can hurt their future. Koreans by culture are VERY conservative fiscally and socially.
I just happen to believe that it is my duty to contribute as much as i can to those who do not have as much. I believe I have a moral imperative to lead by example.
I am not a "christian" by any measure but that does not mean I am not socially conservative, just because I dont believe in judging others and enforcing my beliefs on others again does not mean I am not socially conservative.
My children at 10-11 still dont get to play ANY violent video games, they go with me to donate and give back to charity organizations. I have been called to task for being too strict on my children. They call EVERY stranger or non family Maam and Sir.
I dont like this defecit spending at all and extremely worried about inflation, I also worry about the added debt load and how this will affect our currency/etc...
I just dont see very many other options when we faced almost certain economic collapse when Obama was elected.
My posts on Bush Jr. was driven because he was SO UNLIKE his father and quite frankly my belief that if you cant run a business you are NOT qualified to be POTUS. I did not like Clinton, I liked Perot and Bush SR..... I really respect Mccain but Palin was too much like Bush for me.
You can try to pigeon hole me all you like.... good luck with that.
I am going to refuse to open up the Bush vs Gore Florida debacle because quite frankly there is loads of arguments and facts on BOTH sides that BOTH were up to no good and trying to influence the situation one way or the other. I do believe that Gore would and should have won Florida but it does not matter anymore.
Funny thing is that I HATE the welfare system as it is and think it needs to be massively adjusted to TEMPORARILY help, just like Unemployment which RUNS out.
I hate Affirmative action..... for all kinds of reason. I think it cheapens Minorities and lessens accomplishments of others like me who WORK HARD and earn it scholastically and professionally. I think its reverse racism and waters down our education system.
I dont like NEOCON's because I think their ideology is too mixed up with Religous mumbo jumbo and military interventionism to preempt POSSIBLE threats is quite frankly STUPID. That does not mean I am a liberal.
I just happen to believe in a Secular government and I dont care what other people do or who they do it with... its not my job to judge them.
So call me a "lib" or a "dem" or "left" leaning which is completely not true if you want because of my positions on specific platforms. Its not accurate but if it makes you feel like you analyzed my posts and now can discern my social/financial/political leanings go ahead.
I suggest you stay in Music because your analytic skills need some work.
you can buy whatever you want, I have and run multiple small/medium size business. Taxes affect me a TON
I served active duty and truly understand how violent the world really is and the need for smart military presence.
My problem is with Healthcare which for me is based on My morals and outlook on social standards, I happen to believe in balance in most aspects in life which also leads me to believe in being as envirementally balanced as I can be.
I have children and dont believe I need to live in such a way that can hurt their future. Koreans by culture are VERY conservative fiscally and socially.
I just happen to believe that it is my duty to contribute as much as i can to those who do not have as much. I believe I have a moral imperative to lead by example.
I am not a "christian" by any measure but that does not mean I am not socially conservative, just because I dont believe in judging others and enforcing my beliefs on others again does not mean I am not socially conservative.
My children at 10-11 still dont get to play ANY violent video games, they go with me to donate and give back to charity organizations. I have been called to task for being too strict on my children. They call EVERY stranger or non family Maam and Sir.
I dont like this defecit spending at all and extremely worried about inflation, I also worry about the added debt load and how this will affect our currency/etc...
I just dont see very many other options when we faced almost certain economic collapse when Obama was elected.
My posts on Bush Jr. was driven because he was SO UNLIKE his father and quite frankly my belief that if you cant run a business you are NOT qualified to be POTUS. I did not like Clinton, I liked Perot and Bush SR..... I really respect Mccain but Palin was too much like Bush for me.
You can try to pigeon hole me all you like.... good luck with that.
I am going to refuse to open up the Bush vs Gore Florida debacle because quite frankly there is loads of arguments and facts on BOTH sides that BOTH were up to no good and trying to influence the situation one way or the other. I do believe that Gore would and should have won Florida but it does not matter anymore.
Funny thing is that I HATE the welfare system as it is and think it needs to be massively adjusted to TEMPORARILY help, just like Unemployment which RUNS out.
I hate Affirmative action..... for all kinds of reason. I think it cheapens Minorities and lessens accomplishments of others like me who WORK HARD and earn it scholastically and professionally. I think its reverse racism and waters down our education system.
I dont like NEOCON's because I think their ideology is too mixed up with Religous mumbo jumbo and military interventionism to preempt POSSIBLE threats is quite frankly STUPID. That does not mean I am a liberal.
I just happen to believe in a Secular government and I dont care what other people do or who they do it with... its not my job to judge them.
So call me a "lib" or a "dem" or "left" leaning which is completely not true if you want because of my positions on specific platforms. Its not accurate but if it makes you feel like you analyzed my posts and now can discern my social/financial/political leanings go ahead.
I suggest you stay in Music because your analytic skills need some work.
I say they're spot on Sev.
First i referred to your anti McCain posts, not the usual Bush bashing.
You re wrote the criteria weekly to fit the Democrats into your plans.
Bush didn't run in 08 and Mcxcain is the ultimate "moderate."
You should enlighten us on your definition of "neocon" besides just sometbhing lefties don't like.
Bush SR kicked Saddam out of Kuwait and Obammy mentioned faith more than Bush jr.
US has manipulated foreign governments since the 1700s.
Pretending you liked the "old" conservatism is bullshit as Buckley was as Christian as anyone.If you liked Jimmy Carter's FP great. Oops he preaches as much as Pat Robertson.
Which republican did you like? Eisenhower?
Teaching your kids to be polite is not exclusive to either side though I'd be surprised if the vulgarity the left celebrates would please you.
You can't "debate" Bush v Gore because you don't have jack shit.
The alleged abuses were crap.
Sorry Dems were too stupid to vote.
Police at polling places?
Please.
Is it only cool to "judge" Christians or people who don't support socialism?
So you don't like affirmitive action and welfare and deficit spending.
Well great. Vote for the biggest proponent.
Insist on military experience?
Oops.
Hate the Bush military?
Hey what's changed? Closing Gitmo and sending the assholes elsewhere?
Goodie.
But it seems you want to "force" liberal ideas on everyone don't ya?
Do I get to choose to pay the bloated taxes ?
Hey I man up if I'm not on the same page as a party on every plank of the platform.
I just don't see how (if you're being honest) you vote against every ideal you say you stand for.
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One for the "christians" on this board I am sure you clearly recognize the movement from your religion to influence legislation and education. Its not all of you but it does exist and is quite powerful. THAT IS ENFORCING YOUR MORAL BELIEFS ON OTHERS. The intelligent design movement as well as the evangelical helping push Bush Jr. into power and policizing Gay marriage as a central voting platform definately happened.
Westside.... I have had MANY posts go look them up on what the neoconservative movement and organization is.
I dont judge "christians" because they dont believe in socialism... I think the simpletons on the right dont even understand socialism and the top of the current GOP uses the terminology to replicate Fear of some former communist linking ideology to whip up the more simple base......
Westside I despise idolizing Hollywood and take every chance to show my children how pathetic it is to do so or even the desire to emulate Hollywood. (Britney Spears Sister on Nickolodean was a great example to my daughter of stupidity)
As for NOT voting for Bush Jr.... well quite frankly I found him to be unqualified and well Stupid/cowardly... NOTHING like his father. Mccain got on the Im old and only have one more chance train so I am going to sell out to the fanatics on the right and appoint Palin (to get money to run).... Well that killed it for me.
Yes I voted for someone who I thought was SMART enough to handle the economic/international foreign policy(which takes intelligence not some belief in gods calling)/medical/deregulation nightmare.
I dont have a problem with the Military.... Just its BLOATED spending and outsourcing...
Voting for the CEO of the U.S. when Bush Jr. was POTUS was pretty easy, Mccain selling out well that was also quite easy when the choices are simplified.
Steve are you and Cal really that slow?
you two and the others all talk about this "defecit" spending and how evil Obama and the left are...... Really. or maybe its the socialism monster.... lmao.
So let me get this straight....
LOWER GDP due to MASSIVE RECESSION you know meaning lower gross taxable income.......
TWO military occupations....... yea I am sure that 1 trillion dollar spending has nothing to do with the defecit....
THREE tax cuts........... AGAIN LOWERING gross taxable income..... sure that does not reflect on a balance sheet.... Yes I am sure you know the saturation of money in the top 10% control 90% of entire capital so those three tax cuts must not effect our gross taxable income.... lol
Medicare entitlements EXPANDED meaning O I dont know EXPANDED government spending for well eternity..... sure that must not count
Massive business/industry collapsing due to deregulation from Banking/Insurance/Energy/Manufacturing.... I am sure that has nothing to do with lowering gross taxable income
Our economic system which is based on well Credit and FAITH on future growth on the Market which is conversly based on well Lending collapsing does not effect the income vs cost of our balance sheet
NO I am sure Borrowing so much money from China to fund our system and wars had nothing to do with the balance sheet, sure that money is interest free and let me guess you people think OBAMA and the left started that....
Wait the same enron energy loophole that the Oil industry uses to artificially spike costs has NOTHING to do with our GDP.... No oil must not be the lifeblood of our entire way of life and economics..
Sure those factors must not effect this "defecit" political pr attack platform..... So IF revenue is cut MASSIVELY due to those factors this defecit balance going forward does not reflect what Bush and the supposably fiscally conservative republicans did..... Sure....
Yes this EMERGENCY investment into our own system to prop ourselves up was not needed....... sure.... Wait a public healthcare option which is nonprofit will not drive costs down due to a more competitive model... Sure Obama is evil because unlike the rest of you evidently who have not looked at the projections of our EXISTING legacy healthcare entitlements from medicare/medicaid OVERTAKING OUR ENTIRE GROSS TAXABLE INCOME..... sure this "defecit" spending to reign in drug/healthcare services/management costs in the future... which is BASED on a for profit everything model is working... OK
So I am not a fiscal conservative because I did not vote for Bush jr or Mccain........ OK Because Bush Jr. and his type of republicans were SO fiscally conservative....
Mccain.... appointed Palin.... another mentally challenged individual like Bush jr.
I see... Yes I must be a left liberal because of my stance on healthcare... No I must not be a fiscal conservative because I must ignore the current medical system bankrupting us thru legacy entitlement spending from Medicaid/medicare... Sure because fiscal conservatives like the idea of over spending and bankruptcy.
I am sure My social positions because I believe in a secular government must make me a left wing liberal... Yes I see now.
Sure Mccain/Palin or Obama/Biden... those were the only choices and I must be a leftwing liberal because I chose not to put our economic policy shift and international policy in a stubborn/Prideful Mccain who is quite frankly combative and a mentally challenged Palin....
I see I chose the more intellectual/diplomatic duo so I must be a liberal. I had SO many other realistic options.... Had Colin Powell ran he would of had my vote As long as he did not pair with some oddball like Palin... Sure I am liberal Steve...
So rail on about the socialism monster (regardless of the fact that less than 2% of all industry is under Federal purview) or the "defecit" spending because those above mentioned factors that all happened before Obama got the job and your "analysis" of my posts which I guess excludes me from being a financial conservative.... or moderate.... lmao
Let me guess... because I am a envirementalist that must make me a liberal to.... lol or wait maybe you should "educate" me on the North korean problem again because of your "understanding" and experience....
Yes I loved being taxed coming and going... sure..... I love capital gains.... I love paying escalating health insurance costs for all of my employees in every business I have... yes I love that.... I love paying workmans comp rates..... I like having to deal with bureacratic government oversight......
Yes I love watching our matching contributions we put into our employees 401k plans get reduced to nothing because of a corrupt deregulation nightmare on wall street.... Yes I like that.
Sure I like having to divert rescources into dealing with shopping healthcare every year away from business critical functions.... I like the thousands of dollars I spend a month to pay for healthcare for employees and than watch the services diminish or our overall rates go up because god forbid one of the older employees actually have to use the healthcare... Yes I love fighting healthcare providers for our employees who get denied certain coverages because of pre existing conditions... Sure that makes our companies profit..
I like escalating procurement costs across the board go up because of artificial manipulation of oil and energy..... Yes that makes me more money....
Funny if I had those same resources I could HIRE more people and expand.... Wait maybe because I think political platforms should be well about REAL policy like economics or foreign policy which well is about economics again instead of religous driven drivel about gay marriage that must make me a liberal because I want government to work on REAL work not estoric mythology of who is right or wrong...
Yes you got me pegged STeve... well done, maybe you should get a new day job because whew you skills of analyzing my political/economic/social leanings are spot on.
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QUOTE (calfoxwc @ Jul 2 2009, 10:40 PM)
1. mz the pussy, please explain how I tread over anyone who doesn't strictly adhere to the Bible. I don't even go to church anymore, myself.Hate to sound like a broken record, but in my book, this is some major "treading..."
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I ASKED for you to explain how I (you know, ME?) tread over anyone..
and you give an example of California voting for Prop 8?
I don't live in California. I didn't vote there. Try again. You referred to me as treading, so, man up,
how do I tread over anyone who doesn't strictly adhere to the Bible?
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Wrongie, Mr. mz the pussy.
You said I TREADED. That means I did the treading.
It is not my fault that Cali voted for Prop 8, has nothing to do with me.
The fact that I AGREE with the way one of the most liberal states in the country voted,
does not mean I did the treading.
So, "transitive property" means "politically oriented projection of guilt" to you.
That's silly. I did no treading on the Consitutional rights of anybody. But, there is no Constitutional right to
define marriage as between a man and a camel, or a tree, or gay anything.
Don't say I DID the treading, when all I have is a common belief in marriage IS between ONLY a man and a woman.
The ability to differentiate between having common beliefs and actions/inaction should be right up your bowling alley.
So, you threw a "gutterball", and I'm in a completely different "lane". AND don't try to "pin" me down, you'll "strike" out,
so "split".
Well, "spare" me any further blame nonsense, I have work to do, that's all I can think of in 60 seconds...
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Sweet bowling analogy.
The US Constitution is not my arbiter of all things dealing with humanity AS WRITTEN. It is a living, breathing document that our forefathers wrote "amendment" "loopholes" into in order to effectively deal with an advancing society. You can actively hide behind whatever you want to hide behind, so long as it suits your needs of course, and can feel let off the hook as long as a current "law" is bigoted. You can live in 1776 (or 1 AD) if you prefer, but many of us don't feel much of that antiquated shit pertains to modern society and its members.
Times change, and here's an example:
The three-fifths compromise is found in Article 1, Section 2, Paragraph 3 of the United States Constitution:
“Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons."
You can continue to treat others as you wouldn't want to be treated as long as it is written somewhere, but the rest of us who really do believe in equality and personal freedoms will continue to read through your self-righteous bullshit.
Don't tread on them, cal. It's not becoming...
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I never treaded, but you dreaded.
I'm patriotic, you're bull-headed.
I'm right, your rationalization is shredded.
Marriage is a legal union of a MAN and a WOMAN, not Barney Fwank and whoever he bedded.
New Age bs a hippo's rear end. That's a union Barney Fwank surely regretted.
But seriously, "Living and Breathing" means it can be screwed with to deny the "other people" their
long-standing legal and GOD-GIVEN rights.
Liberals always want to make up new rights, that change the rights of others to fit the liberals' warped utopia.
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Steve are you and Cal really that slow?
you two and the others all talk about this "defecit" spending and how evil Obama and the left are...... Really. or maybe its the socialism monster.... lmao.\
As opposed to the socialism panacea?
So let me get this straight....
LOWER GDP due to MASSIVE RECESSION you know meaning lower gross taxable income.......
TWO military occupations....... yea I am sure that 1 trillion dollar spending has nothing to do with the defecit....
So you prefer a nuclear Saddam trading oil in Euros.
Got it.
Oh and it seems we’re following the Bush plan on one war and escalating the other. Good. That one looks like a winner.
THREE tax cuts........... AGAIN LOWERING gross taxable income..... sure that does not reflect on a balance sheet.... Yes I am sure you know the saturation of money in the top 10% control 90% of entire capital so those three tax cuts must not effect our gross taxable income.... lol
And your boy didn’t end them immediately because of the hit the economy takes from high taxes. Understood.
Medicare entitlements EXPANDED meaning O I dont know EXPANDED government spending for well eternity.....
So ramp it up and put everybody on medicare right? Wow, I guess ya don’t know.
sure that must not count
Massive business/industry collapsing due to deregulation from Banking/Insurance/Energy/Manufacturing.... I am sure that has nothing to do with lowering gross taxable income
Thank Barney Frank and the Democ rats.
Our economic system which is based on well Credit and FAITH on future growth on the Market which is conversly based on well Lending collapsing does not effect the income vs cost of our balance sheet
NO I am sure Borrowing so much money from China to fund our system and wars had nothing to do with the balance sheet, sure that money is interest free and let me guess you people think OBAMA and the left started that....
No. They’re expanding it .
Wait the same enron energy loophole that the Oil industry uses to artificially spike costs has NOTHING to do with our GDP.... No oil must not be the lifeblood of our entire way of life and economics..
Hey professor it’s the bedrock of our currency. Not wind.
Sure those factors must not effect this "defecit" political pr attack platform..... So IF revenue is cut MASSIVELY due to those factors this defecit balance going forward does not reflect what Bush and the supposably fiscally conservative republicans did..... Sure....
Again Bush didn’t run in 08 and the empty suit is quadrupling the things you whine about.
Yes this EMERGENCY investment into our own system to prop ourselves up was not needed....... sure.... Wait a public healthcare option which is nonprofit will not drive costs down due to a more competitive model... Sure Obama is evil because unlike the rest of you evidently who have not looked at the projections of our EXISTING legacy healthcare entitlements from medicare/medicaid OVERTAKING OUR ENTIRE GROSS TAXABLE INCOME..... sure this "defecit" spending to reign in drug/healthcare services/management costs in the future... which is BASED on a for profit everything model is working... OK
Or it made things worse in the long term.
And it doesn’t look like it’s working even now.
So I am not a fiscal conservative because I did not vote for Bush jr or Mccain........ OK Because Bush Jr. and his type of republicans were SO fiscally conservative....
Mccain.... appointed Palin.... another mentally challenged individual like Bush jr.
Again, genius, Bush didn’t run in 08.
And Sarah Palin is your target? Biden and Pelosi ring a bell?
I see... Yes I must be a left liberal because of my stance on healthcare... No I must not be a fiscal conservative because I must ignore the current medical system bankrupting us thru legacy entitlement spending from Medicaid/medicare... Sure because fiscal conservatives like the idea of over spending and bankruptcy.
Sounds like the Obama plan doesn’t it?
And you’re a “liberal” (or just a stooge) since personal resposibility isn’t in the plan NOR torte reform.
(plus can you imagine the outrage had Bush veto'd the Medicare expasion???)
I am sure My social positions because I believe in a secular government must make me a left wing liberal... Yes I see now.
Good. What else would it mean? And you want your morality forced on the rest of us. So what?
Sure Mccain/Palin or Obama/Biden... those were the only choices and I must be a leftwing liberal because I chose not to put our economic policy shift and international policy in a stubborn/Prideful Mccain who is quite frankly combative and a mentally challenged Palin....
No. You put it in the hands of an empty suit and the mentally challenged Biden and Pelosi.
I see I chose the more intellectual/diplomatic duo so I must be a liberal. I had SO many other realistic options.... Had Colin Powell ran he would of had my vote As long as he did not pair with some oddball like Palin... Sure I am liberal Steve...
The guy that covered up all the terrible Bush Cheney lies and torture OR was on board until it wasn't politically expedient? That guy?
And what in hell leads you to think that Obammy is any more intelligent than Dick Cheney or anyone else? He’s cute and gives you a boner when he reads the prompter? Is there anything that suggests he has a handle on anything economic? What? His forte is community organizing not economics.
So rail on about the socialism monster (regardless of the fact that less than 2% of all industry is under Federal purview)
Or that a tiny fraction of Americans support the rest and the gap is widening.
or the "defecit" spending because those above mentioned factors that all happened before Obama got the job and your "analysis" of my posts which I guess excludes me from being a financial conservative.... or moderate.... lmao
Let me guess... because I am a envirementalist that must make me a liberal to.... lol
No. The plan to tax the shit out of us for a scheme that won’t change jack shit makes you one. Or just a fool.
or wait maybe you should "educate" me on the North korean problem again because of your "understanding" and experience....
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Yeah Sev. I don’t care if you’re Kim Jong Il’s nephew.
If you want me to believe that the POTUS, defense dept and FP of the USA isn’t a big factor in that situation you’re an idiot.
Yes I loved being taxed coming and going... sure..... I love capital gains.... I love paying escalating health insurance costs for all of my employees in every business I have... yes I love that.... I love paying workmans comp rates..... I like having to deal with bureacratic government oversight......
Lets hope so. You got it.
Yes I love watching our matching contributions we put into our employees 401k plans get reduced to nothing because of a corrupt deregulation nightmare on wall street.... Yes I like that.
Good, because you bought a lot more of it by throwing money at those same guys.
And I'm sure the regualtions (whatever they may be) will meke things boom.
Sure I like having to divert rescources into dealing with shopping healthcare every year away from business critical functions.... I like the thousands of dollars I spend a month to pay for healthcare for employees and than watch the services diminish or our overall rates go up because god forbid one of the older employees actually have to use the healthcare... Yes I love fighting healthcare providers for our employees who get denied certain coverages because of pre existing conditions... Sure that makes our companies profit..
You don’t deserve profit. That’s the peoples money.
But hey Sev my prediction stands.
Healthcare was a campaign issue. Nothing more.
I like escalating procurement costs across the board go up because of artificial manipulation of oil and energy..... Yes that makes me more money....
Hope you like escalating legal costs too.
Funny if I had those same resources I could HIRE more people and expand.... Wait maybe because I think political platforms should be well about REAL policy like economics or foreign policy which well is about economics again instead of religous driven drivel about gay marriage that must make me a liberal because I want government to work on REAL work not estoric mythology of who is right or wrong...
You lefties made gay marriage an issue.
Gay marriage hasn ‘t been a right as long as the country’s been here.
Yes you got me pegged STeve... well done, maybe you should get a new day job because whew you skills of analyzing my political/economic/social leanings are spot on.
Glad you see the light.
BTW who are you trying to convince? Me or you?
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I never treaded, but you dreaded.
I'm patriotic, you're bull-headed.
I'm right, your rationalization is shredded.
Marriage is a legal union of a MAN and a WOMAN, not Barney Fwank and whoever he bedded.
New Age bs a hippo's rear end. That's a union Barney Fwank surely regretted.
But seriously, "Living and Breathing" means it can be screwed with to deny the "other people" their
long-standing legal and GOD-GIVEN rights.
Liberals always want to make up new rights, that change the rights of others to fit the liberals' warped utopia.
I never treaded, but you dreaded.
I'm patriotic, you're bull-headed.
I'm right, your rationalization is shredded.
Marriage is a legal union of a MAN and a WOMAN, not Barney Fwank and whoever he bedded.
New Age bs a hippo's rear end. That's a union Barney Fwank surely regretted.
But seriously, "Living and Breathing" means it can be screwed with to deny the "other people" their
long-standing legal and GOD-GIVEN rights.
Liberals always want to make up new rights, that change the rights of others to fit the liberals' warped utopia.
What's the point, cal. You're the old man who inspires fear in fellow party-goers when they see you saunter up in your overalls, ready to tell the same tired old Barney Frank is a fag joke you've been telling them for the past 7 years.
But you believe in equality instead of some antiquated Biblical notion.
Keep thinking that.
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Oh and making fun of a guy because he's gay and has a speech impediment is very becoming. Next time I use the word 'Retard' try to not get too hypocritically offended, ok?
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His gayness is repulsive, in public, and you're right, I shouldn't make fun of that. But he's a public figure,
and I didn't say he was not intelligent. I was just mimicking his verbage in his own way that identifies him.
There is no slur about referring to an entire class of people in derogatory fashion.
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What's the point, cal. You're the old man who inspires fear in fellow party-goers when they see you saunter up in your overalls, ready to tell the same tired old Barney Frank is a fag joke you've been telling them for the past 7 years.
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The point is, you said I TREADED. I never treaded. Go look up "treaded".
And his being openly gay and flaunting it and being a corrupt somebeech is no laughing matter.
1. I am not old. I am older. Repect your elders, they have experienced a lot about life.
2. I don't inspire fear in fellow party goers. Ask Steve after he comes to one of our farm parties, about
how terrible and feared I am... ROF,L !
3. I thought only gays "sauntered". I don't believe anybody here "saunters". And, I don't wear overalls, unless it's
to put a pair on for a Christmas farm picture, which I haven't talked my wonderul cute Wife into, yet. GGG
4. Read #1.
5. Read #2
6. Read #3
7. I don't know how you can be still threatened by conservatives. I wasn't all conservatives in California
that passed Prop. 8. Are you aware of that? At all? It's common, human decency and family values.
8. Read #7
9. Read #7 again.
10. Now, either prove I TREADED, or say you're sorry.
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But you believe in equality instead of some antiquated Biblical notion.
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I believe in the truth, and I find it in the Bible. I don't find it in a lot of people,
sometimes even back when I went to church.
You are one of those people. I have a keen instinct about these things,
but I sense a lot of posturing lib baloney for posterity coming from your location.
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Steve you are funny.
I am confused I thought the Skirts you wear are about cultural tradition not comic relief...
Saddam was not nuclear... I thought that was already abundantly clear...
Actually because of the "bush" plan we are STUCK.. because of OIL and a counter to Iran (Which Saddam was)
As for Afghanistan.... PAKISTAN destabilization who is NUCLEAR....
"my" boy is less than 8 months into the Job and as EVERY MAJOR ECONOMIST PROJECT Tax hikes are coming because of what was CREATED PRIOR to Obama...
Since you dont seem to understand Obama wants a PUBLIC PAY OPTION THAT IS NONPROFIT but we have to PAY for it to COMPETE with the for profit options to lower costs...
You are Right about Bush Jr not running in 08 BUT HIS POLICY TEAM BACKERS WERE WITH MCCAIN AND PALIN it was the same ideology and backers
You must have missed the Sarcasm in the ENTIRE paragraph when I mentioned how important oil was... and how it affects everything which is why the loophole needs to be closed
Biden is not mentally challenged by a mile..... and he is VP and Pelosi is one member of the House.... Biden unlike Palin actually reads and understand foreign policy.
You comments as a retort on what the realities are of actually running a business its pretty much what a person does when they dont have any experience to give a educated retort to. Its funny because you dont have to honestly deal with it, you just like to whine about policy like you actually understand or it really impacts you.
How much do you pay for other peoples insurance? how much do you contribute to other people's retirements? Try actually doing it in practice and than you might have a clue.
Your like a guy who looks at a car and thinks he knows how to drive it without ever actually doing it and then complains about drag coefficient of the design or stopping distance/accelaration and than wants to tell Ford how to correct it.
As for North Korea.... Your "understanding" is over simplified Here let me explain this to you in terms I think even a child would understand...
LEVERAGE..... The U.S. was stopped COLD in the 50's by China WHO IS ALSO NUCLEAR... WHO by the WAY is our biggest CREDITOR in our own ECONOMIC DEBACLE.... WHO is ALSO the WORLDS manufacturer.
Barring military action that only could be solved by the NUCLEAR option neither country wants to engage..... which is the basis for peace between us and EVERY OTHER NUCLEAR nation..
North Koreas MAIN ally and aid contributor is CHINA.... The U.S. is just a MILITARY DETERENT.... NOrth Korea KNOWS China has expansionist policies and the political elite knows they are a rising superpower both economically and militarily. China is NOT a ally to the U.S. they are a competitor and WANTS to be the biggest player in Asia period......
Obviously your ignorance about Chinese/Korean peninsula/Japanese/Asian continent political/social history is evident because you have NO idea about how the Chinese operate.
Basically there is a large Bully in China that the U.S. can do NOTHING about military because of assured mutual destruction... Economically China nows holds OUR purse strings and manufacture's for the world... North Korea Knows this and so does EVERYONE ELSE... Which is why Russia (another competitor for us) and China were the critical players in every negotiation for the last 20 years.....
So whatever the U.S. does (and has been doing by cutting banking/business interest to north korea) truly means very little to nothing because North Korea can divert to Chinese held financial institutions..... or even Russian.... Which we cant do squat about.
Its called leverage in a negotiation and we are trumped because of Chinese/russian support... you know kind of like the French aided us in the Revolutionary war to check British colonialism elsewhere and to limit their sphere of influence.... The Chinese are more than happy to do the same to us now.
So in summary to your "understanding" of how U.S. foreign policy or leadeship affects MY other country... we have very little LEVERAGE... and in negotiations Leverage equats to the Golden rule: He who has the gold makes the rules (funny because China also has the gold now also) So yes right now it matters very little what the U.S. does.
China is the most important player and your child like U.S.centric idea that U.S. policy or leadership has much to do with why the North Koreans leadeship in their current transitive state is funny. My family who lives in Seoul (and quite a few are lifers in the military) can give me some pretty good perspective.... Not to mention I lived there served there, learned about all the history of surrounding asian countries....
maybe you should stick to topics like acoustics in a hibernian hall or how the static electricity from the friction of the skirts you wear can effect the wireless microphone you are using.
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Steve you are funny.
I am confused I thought the Skirts you wear are about cultural tradition not comic relief...
Saddam was not nuclear... I thought that was already abundantly clear...
Actually because of the "bush" plan we are STUCK.. because of OIL and a counter to Iran (Which Saddam was)
As for Afghanistan.... PAKISTAN destabilization who is NUCLEAR....
"my" boy is less than 8 months into the Job and as EVERY MAJOR ECONOMIST PROJECT Tax hikes are coming because of what was CREATED PRIOR to Obama...
Since you dont seem to understand Obama wants a PUBLIC PAY OPTION THAT IS NONPROFIT but we have to PAY for it to COMPETE with the for profit options to lower costs...
You are Right about Bush Jr not running in 08 BUT HIS POLICY TEAM BACKERS WERE WITH MCCAIN AND PALIN it was the same ideology and backers
You must have missed the Sarcasm in the ENTIRE paragraph when I mentioned how important oil was... and how it affects everything which is why the loophole needs to be closed
Biden is not mentally challenged by a mile..... and he is VP and Pelosi is one member of the House.... Biden unlike Palin actually reads and understand foreign policy.
You comments as a retort on what the realities are of actually running a business its pretty much what a person does when they dont have any experience to give a educated retort to. Its funny because you dont have to honestly deal with it, you just like to whine about policy like you actually understand or it really impacts you.
How much do you pay for other peoples insurance? how much do you contribute to other people's retirements? Try actually doing it in practice and than you might have a clue.
Your like a guy who looks at a car and thinks he knows how to drive it without ever actually doing it and then complains about drag coefficient of the design or stopping distance/accelaration and than wants to tell Ford how to correct it.
As for North Korea.... Your "understanding" is over simplified Here let me explain this to you in terms I think even a child would understand...
LEVERAGE..... The U.S. was stopped COLD in the 50's by China WHO IS ALSO NUCLEAR... WHO by the WAY is our biggest CREDITOR in our own ECONOMIC DEBACLE.... WHO is ALSO the WORLDS manufacturer.
Barring military action that only could be solved by the NUCLEAR option neither country wants to engage..... which is the basis for peace between us and EVERY OTHER NUCLEAR nation..
North Koreas MAIN ally and aid contributor is CHINA.... The U.S. is just a MILITARY DETERENT.... NOrth Korea KNOWS China has expansionist policies and the political elite knows they are a rising superpower both economically and militarily. China is NOT a ally to the U.S. they are a competitor and WANTS to be the biggest player in Asia period......
Obviously your ignorance about Chinese/Korean peninsula/Japanese/Asian continent political/social history is evident because you have NO idea about how the Chinese operate.
Basically there is a large Bully in China that the U.S. can do NOTHING about military because of assured mutual destruction... Economically China nows holds OUR purse strings and manufacture's for the world... North Korea Knows this and so does EVERYONE ELSE... Which is why Russia (another competitor for us) and China were the critical players in every negotiation for the last 20 years.....
So whatever the U.S. does (and has been doing by cutting banking/business interest to north korea) truly means very little to nothing because North Korea can divert to Chinese held financial institutions..... or even Russian.... Which we cant do squat about.
Its called leverage in a negotiation and we are trumped because of Chinese/russian support... you know kind of like the French aided us in the Revolutionary war to check British colonialism elsewhere and to limit their sphere of influence.... The Chinese are more than happy to do the same to us now.
So in summary to your "understanding" of how U.S. foreign policy or leadeship affects MY other country... we have very little LEVERAGE... and in negotiations Leverage equats to the Golden rule: He who has the gold makes the rules (funny because China also has the gold now also) So yes right now it matters very little what the U.S. does.
China is the most important player and your child like U.S.centric idea that U.S. policy or leadership has much to do with why the North Koreans leadeship in their current transitive state is funny. My family who lives in Seoul (and quite a few are lifers in the military) can give me some pretty good perspective.... Not to mention I lived there served there, learned about all the history of surrounding asian countries....
maybe you should stick to topics like acoustics in a hibernian hall or how the static electricity from the friction of the skirts you wear can effect the wireless microphone you are using.
Steve you are funny.
I am confused
I'm hip.
I thought the Skirts you wear are about cultural tradition not comic relief...
Well you aren't blessed with much of a sense of humor so .....
Saddam was not nuclear... I thought that was already abundantly clear...
Abundantly? Are you nuts?
The same report that said your buddy didn't have
stockpiles of WMDs ALSO said he would reinstate he program as soon as the sanctions were discarded. Which was the goal of the lefties and the French.
Also FYI the "buffer" to Iran was no longer valid after the US kicked Saddam out of Kuwait.
The UN couln't hav done it without the US so now they had a new ally whoi stood to profit from that oil. Hmmmm wonder who that was eh general?
{unless yuou think US foreign policy has no bearing there either)
I'll get to the rest of the crap later.
WSS
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Again your oversimplification of a situation is your arguments...
YES Saddam Wanted Nuclear options... So did Libya and most other countries worried about keeping soveriegn integrity...... Yes he definately would have pursued Nukes... Just Like Iran is...... or North korea...... Or Pakistan DID or India DID WITHOUT OUR BLESSING.....
Yes Saddam WAS a check on Iranian influence....WHY? Because he was a SUNNI that brutally was in charge of a military that already beat down the Iranians once... Iran is SHIA dominated so regardless of what state Iraq was in.. it still was a definate check against the Iranians......
To get back to the original argument of this thread.... BOTH parties are crooked and will employ any means necessary... Do I think Franken won legitimately? About as legitimate as any of these close contested races are.
Again I think it definately gives the Dems an edge policy wise but... there are moderate democrats who are almost the same as moderate republicans = Republicrats which means a fight on major policy shifts like Health care.
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Palin is brilliant compared to Franken.
Say, where DID that experience is required thing by liberals go?
Franken-Stein has NO experience.
Rules changsies again? and again? and again?
Yep.
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really mz the pussy.... you think the MILLIONS of dollars that it takes to get elected to the Millionaires club... I mean the Senate and the Lobbyists who fund those campaigns play fair?
There are good people on both sides, thats not the problem by any measure. The "system" of who and what choices are given to the people in the first place are. Franken.... seriously? what track history of success in governing does he really bring to the table? Or any sort of track history in leadership or expertise in subject matter?
Truthfully Cal has SOME merit here... Franken was the "best" democratic candidate for a Senate seat?
The "Disputed" numbers of what vote gets counted and those that dont are discretionary and were challenged back and forth and I find the truth probably lies in the middle.
Like Bush vs Gore a Supreme court had to step in and decide because both sides "claim" numbers and votes/disputes.... Where is the real truth? I just find it all shades of grey.
Yes I see ideology differences between parties.. but the almighty BINDING agent which makes the act in concert is MONEY. Inflluence and quid pro quo does not distinguish between ideology and party leadership. Both sides need it and draw from virtually the same pool, their maybe suble lobbying diffences but all parties pushing money all operate the same way on making sure "their" party wins in the money investment/influence game. EVERYONE plays hardball.
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But only the LEFT plays the game with the politics of personal destruction of "opponents",
including their spouses and children.
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This whole ordeal has gotten ugly and i dont think we have seen the last of it.
Personally I was pissed that Coleman pulled out without a fight. Who knows maybe his wallet was running thin due to the fact that Franken (stewart) was able to get the rules of the game changed during the course of the game.
Lets use the same scenario in a football game, lets say that one team say Pittspuke is allowed to use 12 men on offense while playing the Browns, wouldn't you cry foul play?
This is not like a hanging chad thing, this is nothing more than a rip off of an election.
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