***Official Browns Vs. Chiefs Game Day Thread***
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KC will sleep-walk for a while and we'll play uncommonly inspired football......but will ultimately find a way to lose. Because, that's what we do.
Go Browns!
(I wanted Mahomes. Big, strong armed)
I suspect if he had come to Cleveland he would have sat behind a mediocre journeyman quarterback, failed to be developed, then been traded away when yet another GM/Coach/Owner came to town, going on to another city and becoming a break-out star.
I suspect if he had come to Cleveland he would have sat behind a mediocre journeyman quarterback, failed to be developed, then been traded away when yet another GM/Coach/Owner came to town, going on to another city and becoming a break-out star.
And you are basing this off what?
When has this happened in Browns history? Len Dawson, 50 years ago?
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I suspect if he had come to Cleveland he would have sat behind a mediocre journeyman quarterback, failed to be developed, then been traded away when yet another GM/Coach/Owner came to town, going on to another city and becoming a break-out star.
And you are basing this off what?
When has this happened in Browns history? Len Dawson, 50 years ago?
And you are basing this off what?
When has this happened in Browns history? Len Dawson, 50 years ago?
Never underestimate the Browns ability to find ways to squander talent. If you prefer a different scenario that's fine. But recent history suggests it would have ended up going poorly somehow. Hopefully with a new GM being able to pick his own HC there might be a change to such trends.
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And you are basing this off what?
When has this happened in Browns history? Len Dawson, 50 years ago?
Never underestimate the Browns ability to find ways to squander talent. If you prefer a different scenario that's fine. But recent history suggests it would have ended up going poorly somehow. Hopefully with a new GM being able to pick his own HC there might be a change to such trends.
Never underestimate the Browns ability to find ways to squander talent. If you prefer a different scenario that's fine. But recent history suggests it would have ended up going poorly somehow. Hopefully with a new GM being able to pick his own HC there might be a change to such trends.
I agree with you on that, usually the scenario is they pick a guy who should be brought along slowly, but instead the Browns throw him out onto the field waaaaaaaaaaaaay before he's ready.... The DeShone Kizer Scenario.
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Never underestimate the Browns ability to find ways to squander talent. If you prefer a different scenario that's fine. But recent history suggests it would have ended up going poorly somehow. Hopefully with a new GM being able to pick his own HC there might be a change to such trends.
I agree with you on that, usually the scenario is they pick a guy who should be brought along slowly, but instead the Browns throw him out onto the field waaaaaaaaaaaaay before he's ready.... The DeShone Kizer Scenario.
I agree with you on that, usually the scenario is they pick a guy who should be brought along slowly, but instead the Browns throw him out onto the field waaaaaaaaaaaaay before he's ready.... The DeShone Kizer Scenario.
Sure, but that was kind of obvious. They sometimes like to surprise us with their creativity. In any case we grabbed three great rookies this season, so hopefully the past is prologue rather than destiny.
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Haven't heard from ONE MAN'S OPINION in a long time, let's see what he has to say. (Probably hiding from everyone he owes money to from last year.)
The Browns are becoming more dysfunctional as the season moves on with their offensive coordinator, Todd Haley, the latest to draw rumors about his job security. Maybe Cleveland ownership will finally realize Hue Jackson is the problem. Another problem is Cleveland’s defense, which is wearing down from having played four overtime games, three coming during the last five weeks. This may be a flat spot for the Chiefs. Yet who wants to get in their way? KC is averaging an NFL-best 36.2 points per game, Patrick Mahomes has fired 26 touchdown passes, Tyreek Hill has seven TD catches and Travis Kelce is a top-three tight end.
SO what do do? He11 yes jump back into the fray Cleveland has already covered more than they have all of last year take CLE +10 and a side of over 52 baby!
While you're at it some BAL -2.5 vs pit and HOU (pick) plus some WASH (pick) and parlay them every way possible and get ready to collect big next Tuesday.
Hou is losing that game in Denver. ATL over Wash. KC will cover the 10.
Hou is losing that game in Denver. ATL over Wash. KC will cover the 10.
Houston wins in Denver, take whatever over there is ATL-Wash and take the over and give away the 10 with KC for the parlay of the week.
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Well, I'd obviously love to win this game, but I don't see the firings of our coordinator and head coach as being IMMEDIATE propulsion to better production, BUT I do believe it'll pay dividends later. How much later? Who knows, but having a first time play-caller HAS to be a little tricky, right? Maybe not, perhaps we've got the tools to run a successful offense....lord I hope so.
So what am I looking for offensively? I want to see better 3rd down execution, for starters. If we have 3rd and 1, I'd love to be able to run the ball, have them KNOW we're running it, and then pick it up anyway. This starts with our OL, and I haven't been happy with the "push" we've gotten on recent short yardage situations.
I want to see Baker making protection adjustments, so when there's an obvious free blitzer, we actually have someone to BLOCK HIM. Also, I'd like to see Baker making audibles in case we can't adjust the protection sufficiently. Case in point, last week against the Steelers, on our very first drive that ended in a FG. We had a very manageable 3rd and 4ish, and the call was a run to Duke Johnson. Many people don't like the call, but I love it. The PROBLEM was, the Steelers were obviously waiting for it. I mean, the linebacker was literally camping out RIGHT where the run was supposed to go, and it was plainly obvious. Baker is very smart, he HAD to see it. Does Baker have the authority to change plays? I honestly don't know. But that was a huge 3rd down and it was obviously doomed to fail.
I'm really frustrated with the offense in general, like many of us are, and there isn't much MORE frustrating than having a poor OL. Now, our guards are excellent, our center is ok, but our tackles are literally the worst on the effing planet. It's impossible for Baker to learn the position if he's getting nailed so often, and he's going to get injured, either mentally, physically, or both.
Our defense needs to continue to take the ball away today, and our offense needs score TDs off them. Penalties will play a large part in our chances, as we aren't good enough on offense to overcome them, and we need to sustain drives to keep Mahomes off the field. Conversely, we can't have the legendary Browns Defensive 3rd down penalties that let opposing offenses keep the ball. I'm really looking forward to a fun game, win or lose. Hopefully it is and it's not the stinker special.
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Hou is losing that game in Denver. ATL over Wash. KC will cover the 10.
Houston wins in Denver, take whatever over there is ATL-Wash and take the over and give away the 10 with KC for the parlay of the week.
Houston wins in Denver, take whatever over there is ATL-Wash and take the over and give away the 10 with KC for the parlay of the week.
Just found this concerning the parlay of KC and the over.
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Houston wins in Denver, take whatever over there is ATL-Wash and take the over and give away the 10 with KC for the parlay of the week.
Just found this concerning the parlay of KC and the over.
Just found this concerning the parlay of KC and the over.
" We can tell you model projects the Chiefs (-7.5)..."
I guess it pays to shop books...
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It has been decided the Chiefs will give the Browns a 21 point start in todays game ......we will still be down at half time even if they did
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It has been decided the Chiefs will give the Browns a 21 point start in todays game ......we will still be down at half time even if they did
It has been decided the Chiefs will give the Browns a 21 point start in today's game ......we will still be down at half time even if they did
Fk you-Zombo?
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Fk you-Zombo?
lol
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So will we be watching the future Browns head coach on the Chiefs sidelines today?
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So will we be watching the future Browns head coach on the Chiefs sidelines today?
So will we be watching the future Browns head coach on the Chiefs sidelines today?
Certainly would seem to be one of two sidelines that are most likely to produce our next HC. The other being GB's.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Randall out ....healthy scratch according to Schefter ..... Desmond Harrison out too ...who is LT ?
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Been announced ....Greg Robinson is LT
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So will we be watching the future Browns head coach on the Chiefs sidelines today?
Certainly would seem to be one of two sidelines that are most likely to produce our next HC. The other being GB's.
Certainly would seem to be one of two sidelines that are most likely to produce our next HC. The other being GB's.
Was just looking closer at who those sidelines include... and I'm underwhelmed.
KC has Bienemy, but I don't want a 1st-year OC who does not call plays. Their DC is Bob Sutton... who reminds me of someone....
.... Hmmmmmmm...
Other than McCarthy GB has Philbin (the definition of retread?) and Pet... So looks to be McCarthy or bust.
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Full inactives list...
Kansas City Chiefs InjuriesEric Berry DB Inactive Justin Hamilton DT Inactive Justin Houston OLB Inactive Kahlil McKenzie OG Inactive Mitch Morse C Inactive Darrel Williams RB Inactive Frank Zombo LB Inactive Cleveland Browns InjuriesPharaoh Brown TE Inactive Desmond Harrison OT Inactive Damarious Randall SS Inactive Joe Schobert MLB Inactive Da'Mari Scott WR Inactive Drew Stanton QB Inactive Chad Thomas DE Inactive -
I suspect if he had come to Cleveland he would have sat behind a mediocre journeyman quarterback, failed to be developed, then been traded away when yet another GM/Coach/Owner came to town, going on to another city and becoming a break-out star.
And you are basing this off what?
When has this happened in Browns history? Len Dawson, 50 years ago?
And you are basing this off what?
When has this happened in Browns history? Len Dawson, 50 years ago?
Lenny Dawson who's he unless you'rs some old fart stuck in some time warp......oh wait nevermind.
Now Mayfield may be the next Len Dawson with just a few more tools to work with and hopefully not the next Archie Manning stuck with a bad team and get the crap knocked out of you.
The BROWNS 2-10-1 in three point or less games under the HUE CAMPAIGN now over, another last second FG game and _______ wins! Yes book it! CLE +10, money baby.
No ties please.
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Full inactives list...
Kansas City Chiefs InjuriesEric Berry DB Inactive Justin Hamilton DT Inactive Justin Houston OLB Inactive Kahlil McKenzie OG Inactive Mitch Morse C Inactive Darrel Williams RB Inactive Frank Zombo LB Inactive Cleveland Browns InjuriesPharaoh Brown TE Inactive Desmond Harrison OT Inactive Damarious Randall SS Inactive Joe Schobert MLB Inactive Da'Mari Scott WR Inactive Drew Stanton QB Inactive Chad Thomas DE Inactive Full inactives list...
Kansas City Chiefs InjuriesFrank Zombo LB Inactive Too bad Zombo isn't playing for them today. you know he'd intentionally blow this for the Chiefs.?
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Browns have problems on the offensive line with a one-legged center and Greg Robinson making 1st start at LT. Meanwhile, Chiefs will field four ex-Browns on their O-line today.
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