baker has BBQBS, time to start thinking about shutting him down...
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Seemed to me that Baker didn't get hit all that much today... What, a couple of sacks, a couple of hurries that resulted in a few hits?
Seemed to me that Baker didn't get hit all that much today... What, a couple of sacks, a couple of hurries that resulted in a few hits?
It wasn't AS bad today, but the really concerning part was the frequency of the missed assignments where our OL completely blew the scheme and let 300 pound men advance on our QB without so much as a wave. I can think of at least twice this happened, possibly three times. Our linemen were literally looking at each other like, "But I thought YOU were supposed to block him!" I mean, Jesus. How many times did that happen to the Chiefs? How often did one of OUR linemen burst through the line untouched to swallow THEIR QB? It never happened.
The worst part? Their offensive line is 60% old Browns players. Cam Erving, Austin Reiter, and Mitchell Swartz. They looked pretty good to me.
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Seemed to me that Baker didn't get hit all that much today... What, a couple of sacks, a couple of hurries that resulted in a few hits?
It wasn't AS bad today, but the really concerning part was the frequency of the missed assignments where our OL completely blew the scheme and let 300 pound men advance on our QB without so much as a wave. I can think of at least twice this happened, possibly three times. Our linemen were literally looking at each other like, "But I thought YOU were supposed to block him!" I mean, Jesus. How many times did that happen to the Chiefs? How often did one of OUR linemen burst through the line untouched to swallow THEIR QB? It never happened.
The worst part? Their offensive line is 60% old Browns players. Cam Erving, Austin Reiter, and Mitchell Swartz. They looked pretty good to me.
It wasn't AS bad today, but the really concerning part was the frequency of the missed assignments where our OL completely blew the scheme and let 300 pound men advance on our QB without so much as a wave. I can think of at least twice this happened, possibly three times. Our linemen were literally looking at each other like, "But I thought YOU were supposed to block him!" I mean, Jesus. How many times did that happen to the Chiefs? How often did one of OUR linemen burst through the line untouched to swallow THEIR QB? It never happened.
The worst part? Their offensive line is 60% old Browns players. Cam Erving, Austin Reiter, and Mitchell Swartz. They looked pretty good to me.
Just back the truck up on that one. Regarding Schwartz, for sure that was a Sashi screw up. Erving? We would have paid for his plane ticket out of town he was so gawdawful. That he's morphed into a passable OL dude is one of the great mysteries of life. Reiter was journeyman exemplified.
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Maybe the no call on the shot to the head during the sack, what is it now, 2 games in a row with a no call shot to the head? bunch of BS.
Maybe the no call on the shot to the head during the sack, what is it now, 2 games in a row with a no call shot to the head? bunch of BS.
Right he took a forearm shiver to the neck and the refs blew it off completely
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Right he took a forearm shiver to the neck and the refs blew it off completely
It's kind of funny to me but typically in situations like that, and knowing baker isn't the type to take himself out, it is a doctor on the sidelines that tells the officials that that player needs to be checked out. So if that were the case the doctor tells the official that they need to pull him out to check for a concussion because of a Blow To The Head and they didn't even call it
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He doesn’t have guys wide open and completely mismatched like Mahommes.
He’s doing pretty damn good for a rookie in Cleveland, I think you should just chill a bit and realize the Browns are going to be a good team next year.
they might be, if baker stays healthy. And even if he does stay relatively healthy....is it good for his development to put him in this pressure cooker? when he does he start tim couching the edge rushers before looking downfield?
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they might be, if baker stays healthy. And even if he does stay relatively healthy....is it good for his development to put him in this pressure cooker? when he does he start tim couching the edge rushers
I get your reason for concern.. it’s legitimate. The OLine did look better but they still have a ways to go.
It’s not an ideal situation, but Baker needs to see these NFL coverages to develop and grow his decision making ability. And the oLine and TEs need to fu$&ing block somebody.
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they might be, if baker stays healthy. And even if he does stay relatively healthy....is it good for his development to put him in this pressure cooker? when he does he start tim couching the edge rushers
I get your reason for concern.. it’s legitimate. The OLine did look better but they still have a ways to go.
It’s not an ideal situation, but Baker needs to see these NFL coverages to develop and grow his decision making ability. And the oLine and TEs need to fu$&ing block somebody.
I get your reason for concern.. it’s legitimate. The OLine did look better but they still have a ways to go.
It’s not an ideal situation, but Baker needs to see these NFL coverages to develop and grow his decision making ability. And the oLine and TEs need to fu$&ing block somebody.
how many more games tho before baker develops bad habits like checking off the edge rushers to see if one or both of them jumped the turnstyle? or holding the ball longervthan he already does waiting for someone to come free.....we've seen this play before.
for my money, ive seen what the kid is capable of and i think he's franchise material. So one maybe 2 more games and thats it.....do we really want to have to draft a qb next year again? ill bet anything dorsey has already spoken with people tonight about how to get baker ir'd without telling hom thats what they're doing. Cause the kid will not want to come out.
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I get your reason for concern.. it’s legitimate. The OLine did look better but they still have a ways to go.
It’s not an ideal situation, but Baker needs to see these NFL coverages to develop and grow his decision making ability. And the oLine and TEs need to fu$&ing block somebody.
how many more games tho before baker develops bad habits like checking off the edge rushers to see if one or both of them jumped the turnstyle? or holding the ball longervthan he already does waiting for someone to come free.....we've seen this play before.
for my money, ive seen what the kid is capable of and i think he's franchise material. So one maybe 2 more games and thats it.....do we really want to have to draft a qb next year again? ill bet anything dorsey has already spoken with people tonight about how to get baker ir'd without telling hom thats what they're doing. Cause the kid will not want to come out.
for my money, ive seen what the kid is capable of and i think he's franchise material. So one maybe 2 more games and thats it.....do we really want to have to draft a qb next year again?
It’s the NFL, he’s making 32 million the next 4 years. He’s a big boy now, he’ll be fine.
Healthy Baker or not, taking a good prospect in the later rounds is not something I’m opposed to. Considering Taylor will be gone most likely and Stanton maybe will be around? Who knows.
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for my money, ive seen what the kid is capable of and i think he's franchise material. So one maybe 2 more games and thats it.....do we really want to have to draft a qb next year again?
It’s the NFL, he’s making 32 million the next 4 years. He’s a big boy now, he’ll be fine.
Healthy Baker or not, taking a good prospect in the later rounds is not something I’m opposed to. Considering Taylor will be gone most likely and Stanton maybe will be around? Who knows.
It’s the NFL, he’s making 32 million the next 4 years. He’s a big boy now, he’ll be fine. We're literally batting zero on this subject. Zero. Baker has the yips, it's that simple. Anybody that doesn't see it is kidding themselves.
how many times have we said that in the past? and how many times has it worked out?
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It wasn't AS bad today, but the really concerning part was the frequency of the missed assignments where our OL completely blew the scheme and let 300 pound men advance on our QB without so much as a wave. I can think of at least twice this happened, possibly three times. Our linemen were literally looking at each other like, "But I thought YOU were supposed to block him!" I mean, Jesus. How many times did that happen to the Chiefs? How often did one of OUR linemen burst through the line untouched to swallow THEIR QB? It never happened.
The worst part? Their offensive line is 60% old Browns players. Cam Erving, Austin Reiter, and Mitchell Swartz. They looked pretty good to me.
Just back the truck up on that one. Regarding Schwartz, for sure that was a Sashi screw up. Erving? We would have paid for his plane ticket out of town he was so gawdawful. That he's morphed into a passable OL dude is one of the great mysteries of life. Reiter was journeyman exemplified.
Just back the truck up on that one. Regarding Schwartz, for sure that was a Sashi screw up. Erving? We would have paid for his plane ticket out of town he was so gawdawful. That he's morphed into a passable OL dude is one of the great mysteries of life. Reiter was journeyman exemplified.
Different coaches, different results? Good coaching can do that.
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It’s the NFL, he’s making 32 million the next 4 years. He’s a big boy now, he’ll be fine. We're literally batting zero on this subject. Zero. Baker has the yips, it's that simple. Anybody that doesn't see it is kidding themselves.
how many times have we said that in the past? and how many times has it worked out?
how many times have we said that in the past? and how many times has it worked out?
Baker is not the same QB, and he’s not in the same situation. It’s pretty apparent to me. Baker gets the ball out quick, generally. And has the ability to extend the play.
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Baker's accuracy is waning. He's making wild high throws... and that concerns me. However, I think he has to play his way thru the slump.
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It wasn't AS bad today, but the really concerning part was the frequency of the missed assignments where our OL completely blew the scheme and let 300 pound men advance on our QB without so much as a wave. I can think of at least twice this happened, possibly three times. Our linemen were literally looking at each other like, "But I thought YOU were supposed to block him!" I mean, Jesus. How many times did that happen to the Chiefs? How often did one of OUR linemen burst through the line untouched to swallow THEIR QB? It never happened.
The worst part? Their offensive line is 60% old Browns players. Cam Erving, Austin Reiter, and Mitchell Swartz. They looked pretty good to me.
Just back the truck up on that one. Regarding Schwartz, for sure that was a Sashi screw up. Erving? We would have paid for his plane ticket out of town he was so gawdawful. That he's morphed into a passable OL dude is one of the great mysteries of life. Reiter was journeyman exemplified.
Just back the truck up on that one. Regarding Schwartz, for sure that was a Sashi screw up. Erving? We would have paid for his plane ticket out of town he was so gawdawful. That he's morphed into a passable OL dude is one of the great mysteries of life. Reiter was journeyman exemplified.
I hear ya, all I'm saying is it hurt to see guys that couldn't cut the mustard for us, play for the best team in the league. That's the only point I was making.
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Baker's accuracy is waning. He's making wild high throws... and that concerns me. However, I think he has to play his way thru the slump.
Baker's accuracy is waning. He's making wild high throws... and that concerns me. However, I think he has to play his way thru the slump.
He had bad, high throws no doubt and I think we both know well the "why" on when those throws happen. I would argue though after his slump in his few starts his accuracy has been there and the stats do tend to back that up. Of course, it's totally fair to say he's throwing a lot more "short" stuff this past two games, but he was at nearly 70% completion yesterday.
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Baker's accuracy is waning. He's making wild high throws... and that concerns me. However, I think he has to play his way thru the slump.
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Baker's accuracy is waning. He's making wild high throws... and that concerns me. However, I think he has to play his way thru the slump.
He had bad, high throws no doubt and I think we both know well the "why" on when those throws happen. I would argue though after his slump in his few starts his accuracy has been there and the stats do tend to back that up. Of course, it's totally fair to say he's throwing a lot more "short" stuff this past two games, but he was at nearly 70% completion yesterday.
He had bad, high throws no doubt and I think we both know well the "why" on when those throws happen. I would argue though after his slump in his few starts his accuracy has been there and the stats do tend to back that up. Of course, it's totally fair to say he's throwing a lot more "short" stuff this past two games, but he was at nearly 70% completion yesterday.
It's interesting, I made the same observation yesterday to my wife. For whatever reason, Baker's accuracy seemed to be a TAD off. There were a couple of throws, one to Njoku comes to mind, that you don't think of Baker missing...like...ever. However, like you said, 70% is nothing to scoff at, so maybe I just have unrealistic expectations for the kid.
One thing Baker has ALWAYS struggled with in the pros is his deep ball accuracy. For whatever reason, he appears to have trouble connecting on these, and it's something our offense DESPERATELY needs. He didn't necessarily miss wide open bombs yesterday, but his deep throws generally leave more to be desired. That being said, I was very happy to see him connect with Callaway on that deep sideline pass. Of course, I would've MUCH rather seen that play go the distance, but whatever. The main reason I'd like to see it go all the way is because Baker threw his first interception a play or two later, and it really put a damper on an otherwise stellar performance. I would've really liked to see Baker and the offense get another crack at the red zone because young offenses historically struggle there, unless your name is Patrick Mahomes, and you wear a Chiefs uniform.
Baker will be kicking himself over that pick, too. It's a pass you just can't make, and he knows it.
One of the aspects of Baker's game that is starting to concern me is I see him locking on receivers now. A good example was our first play of the game. We faked the WR screen, and Baker wanted to go deep, which is more than fine if the deep guy is open. Since it's us, the deep guy was smothered, but Baker didn't look elsewhere. If he had, he would've seen Jarvis Landry, our best receiver, streaking across the middle for a gain of 20 yards. I believe Bruce Arians even commented on the play, remarking how open Jarvis was.
I believe Baker is locking onto to people because he's not used to having time anymore. It's hard to blame him because he literally didn't HAVE time to progress through reads in recent games, but more often than not, he had decent protection yesterday, and he didn't appear to move through his reads like I'd like. Am I asking too much from my rookie? Possibly, but Baker is missing opportunities, ESPECIALLY deep opportunities. No QB is going to make the right read EVERY time, but Baker isn't seeing the deep stuff well, and I'm hoping he starts to trust himself to make some of these throws because our "explosive plays" are severely lacking.
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He had bad, high throws no doubt and I think we both know well the "why" on when those throws happen. I would argue though after his slump in his few starts his accuracy has been there and the stats do tend to back that up. Of course, it's totally fair to say he's throwing a lot more "short" stuff this past two games, but he was at nearly 70% completion yesterday.
It's interesting, I made the same observation yesterday to my wife. For whatever reason, Baker's accuracy seemed to be a TAD off. There were a couple of throws, one to Njoku comes to mind, that you don't think of Baker missing...like...ever. However, like you said, 70% is nothing to scoff at, so maybe I just have unrealistic expectations for the kid.
One thing Baker has ALWAYS struggled with in the pros is his deep ball accuracy. For whatever reason, he appears to have trouble connecting on these, and it's something our offense DESPERATELY needs. He didn't necessarily miss wide open bombs yesterday, but his deep throws generally leave more to be desired. That being said, I was very happy to see him connect with Callaway on that deep sideline pass. Of course, I would've MUCH rather seen that play go the distance, but whatever. The main reason I'd like to see it go all the way is because Baker threw his first interception a play or two later, and it really put a damper on an otherwise stellar performance. I would've really liked to see Baker and the offense get another crack at the red zone because young offenses historically struggle there, unless your name is Patrick Mahomes, and you wear a Chiefs uniform.
Baker will be kicking himself over that pick, too. It's a pass you just can't make, and he knows it.
One of the aspects of Baker's game that is starting to concern me is I see him locking on receivers now. A good example was our first play of the game. We faked the WR screen, and Baker wanted to go deep, which is more than fine if the deep guy is open. Since it's us, the deep guy was smothered, but Baker didn't look elsewhere. If he had, he would've seen Jarvis Landry, our best receiver, streaking across the middle for a gain of 20 yards. I believe Bruce Arians even commented on the play, remarking how open Jarvis was.
I believe Baker is locking onto to people because he's not used to having time anymore. It's hard to blame him because he literally didn't HAVE time to progress through reads in recent games, but more often than not, he had decent protection yesterday, and he didn't appear to move through his reads like I'd like. Am I asking too much from my rookie? Possibly, but Baker is missing opportunities, ESPECIALLY deep opportunities. No QB is going to make the right read EVERY time, but Baker isn't seeing the deep stuff well, and I'm hoping he starts to trust himself to make some of these throws because our "explosive plays" are severely lacking.
I believe Baker is locking onto to people because he's not used to having time anymore.
Wouldn't that make a QB look more frantically from WR to WR?
I think...
- he's being given fewer options...
- he's looking for NCAA level open...
He had bad, high throws no doubt and I think we both know well the "why" on when those throws happen. I would argue though after his slump in his few starts his accuracy has been there and the stats do tend to back that up. Of course, it's totally fair to say he's throwing a lot more "short" stuff this past two games, but he was at nearly 70% completion yesterday.
As others hinted at... completion percentage is not the best indicator of "accuracy".
As for the high throws... I'm not sure why they are sailing on him. My guess is he's overthrowing because he's overthrowing (a/k/a throwing harder than his limit).
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I believe Baker is locking onto to people because he's not used to having time anymore.
Wouldn't that make a QB look more frantically from WR to WR?
I think...
- he's being given fewer options...
- he's looking for NCAA level open...
He had bad, high throws no doubt and I think we both know well the "why" on when those throws happen. I would argue though after his slump in his few starts his accuracy has been there and the stats do tend to back that up. Of course, it's totally fair to say he's throwing a lot more "short" stuff this past two games, but he was at nearly 70% completion yesterday.
As others hinted at... completion percentage is not the best indicator of "accuracy".
As for the high throws... I'm not sure why they are sailing on him. My guess is he's overthrowing because he's overthrowing (a/k/a throwing harder than his limit).
Wouldn't that make a QB look more frantically from WR to WR?
I think...
- he's being given fewer options..
I believe it was Trent Green doing the game yesterday and he said that was something they had worked on during the week was giving him less reads and to focus on quicker options which they hadn't been doing the previous weeks. If I remember correctly, he even questioned on what Haley was doing giving a rookie QB that many reads and options at this point in his career.
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It's hard being a rookie in this league. Especially when you are on a bad team.
But Browns fans can take heart in the fact that he leads all of the rookies in the major percentages: completion %, Td %, Int%, Yards / att, and QB Rating ... Despite being the only one that has already lost a head coach and an offensive coordinator, has played most of the season without the guys that were going to be his #1 and #3 WR, and (I don't think I have to look this up) has been the only one playing with rookies at both RB and X WR and a rookie undrafted free agent at LT.
I thought Kitchens called a good gameplan, keep playing him (obviously) and let him get better. He's learning every week. He's got the arm, the head, and the feet for the job, and now he's got a coaching staff that is more concerned with protecting him and getting him better than saving their jobs.
Zombo
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It's hard being a rookie in this league. Especially when you are on a bad team.
But Browns fans can take heart in the fact that he leads all of the rookies in the major percentages: completion %, Td %, Int%, Yards / att, and QB Rating ... Despite being the only one that has already lost a head coach and an offensive coordinator, has played most of the season without the guys that were going to be his #1 and #3 WR, and (I don't think I have to look this up) has been the only one playing with rookies at both RB and X WR and a rookie undrafted free agent at LT.
I thought Kitchens called a good gameplan, keep playing him (obviously) and let him get better. He's learning every week. He's got the arm, the head, and the feet for the job, and now he's got a coaching staff that is more concerned with protecting him and getting him better than saving their jobs.
Zombo
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