Anyone Else Think Collins Doesn't Wanna Be Here

Opal312

@texasag1969 said:
Promise to fill this draft with D and he'll be back.

Draft Myles Garrett and now we have something!

flyingfooldoug

Is it me or does anyone else see Collins lollygagging on plays more often than not.

darren15

Collins will be released then go on to look like a world beater on another team ...its the Browns way

flyingfooldoug

@darren15 said:

Collins will be released then go on to look like a world beater on another team ...its the Browns way

Seems more like he should be playing hard for the big bucks contract. Instead, he’s getting a rep as a slacker.

jrb12711

@flyingfooldoug said:

Seems more like he should be playing hard for the big bucks contract. Instead, he’s getting a rep as a slacker.

Thing is he already got that big contract. Dont forget the dude is playing on a nearly $30 million guaranteed deal right now.

It's a shame he doesn't have more passion for the game or whatever the heck it is. He makes elite plays sometimes but other times seems to be bothered to be out there.

7moses7

He isn’t the first player to get paid then lay down and won’t be the last

Westside Steve

That's kind of always my concern with any player we get from another team. Either he or the Patriots didn't think that relationship was working out.

WSS

calfoxwc

@flyingfooldoug said:

Is it me or does anyone else see Collins lollygagging on plays more often than not.

Not just you. Collins is acting like he's not happy to actually play football, he has his money. that "coverage" of Kelce was way too obvious. I think Williams will notice it. On another play, he was pulling up, letting another player chase a guy down.

And, for all his ability - I don't think he gets it. His occasional lack of effect and free lancing led to him being

traded to the Browns in the first place.

https://www.sbnation.com/2016/11/1/13486594/jamie-collins-patriots-trade-browns-michael-lombardi-inconsistent-effort-belichick

Seriously. Collins even admits he doesn't like football - never watches. Says he'd rather be playing video games.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/this-jamie-collins-quote-might-provide-insight-into-why-bill-belichick-traded-him/

Maybe we should have seen it coming. Multiple media members who cover the Patriots have pointed out that Collins' play has either slipped or has been an issue for Bill Belichick lately, and an offseason interview with Collins reveals one habit that Belichick might not love.

While talking with the Improper Bostonian, Collins was asked what kind of football he likes to watch and his answer was basically "none."

The inclusion of Chandler Jones, who was traded to the Cardinals this offseason, in the quote is revealing as well.

Which would you rather watch: college football or pro?

Neither. I didn't grow up watching football, and I still don't. Me and Chandler Jones have talked about this since I first got up here. I never watched football. I never thought I'd be here, and I'd rather play video games. I don't really want to watch it.

There almost certainly was some kind of disconnect between the front office/coaching staff and Collins in the case of this trade.

Multiple media members pointed out that there were concerns about Collins' play. Tom Curran of CSN New England noticed a dropoff since last season's AFC Championship Game, when Collins was beat by Owen Daniels on multiple plays.

calfoxwc

and from that same second link above:

Hue saw physical ability - Dorsey sees guys who ARE FOOTBALL PLAYERS.

Collins is just a very physically talented waste of time mentally.

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The freelancing thing might have some legitimate legs too. Here was Browns coach Hue Jackson's interesting answer when asked about Collins behavior on the field.

"He can freelance for me then (laughter). The way he freelances is OK with me. What happened there is not what is important for us here. We see a player that is very talented and has a tremendous skill set that fits in with what we do so he is a Cleveland Brown now."

So let's take a look at the factors here ...

Jamie Collins wants a bunch of money in the offseason
Jamie Collins keeps going off script
Jamie Collins isn't a big fan of watching football
Elandon Roberts is capable of doing that job at a much cheaper cost

The Gipper

@flyingfooldoug said:

Is it me or does anyone else see Collins lollygagging on plays more often than not.

He does definitely seem to do just that

The Gipper

@jrb12711 said:

Thing is he already got that big contract. Dont forget the dude is playing on a nearly $30 million guaranteed deal right now.

It's a shame he doesn't have more passion for the game or whatever the heck it is. He makes elite plays sometimes but other times seems to be bothered to be out there.

The problem is that it seem to be somewhat infectious to other players on this defense.

jrb12711

@7moses7 said:

He isn’t the first player to get paid then lay down and won’t be the last

For sure, I feel like this is something that isn't mentioned enough. This is the reason guys like Bell (and many others) are so demanding of the guaranteed money in a contract. Collins can walk away after this season and have made $30 million dollars. In the NFL especially where the physical toll is unbelievable, it's not surprising that some dudes just coast after striking gold. It sucks and I'm obviously not suggesting I'm for it, but the logical person in me can see why it happens in this sport. The likelihood of a position guy outside QB getting more than any "big" deal is little to none. Why not work your butt off, get the huge money, and then coast? Again, not for that line of thinking but I'm also not getting my skull bonked around for a career. Perhaps shorter, higher money deals may help.

Zombo

I didnt see all of this game so I'm not sure what specifically you guys saw, but the effort was there previous games, and William's had nice things to say about him after the game, and William's seems like a straight shooter. With Schobert and Kirksey out, Collins was the defensive QB with the headset in his helmet.

I expected him to make more plays, he's good, but not great... not sure he ever was great, we overpaid for him ... but I honestly dont see lack of effort.

Z

Clevfan4life

tanner vallejo flashed on my screen when he came in for kirksey.

The Gipper

Zombo said:

I didnt see all of this game so I'm not sure what specifically you guys saw, but the effort was there previous games, and William's had nice things to say about him after the game, and William's seems like a straight shooter. With Schobert and Kirksey out, Collins was the defensive QB with the headset in his helmet.

I expected him to make more plays, he's good, but not great... not sure he ever was great, we overpaid for him ... but I honestly dont see lack of effort.

Z

Well....I saw it a few times. I saw a couple of times where he just liked reached out with his arms to try to tackle, and the ball carrier just brushed him off like a rhino brushing off a fly.