Josh Gordon Traded to Pats
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No one but you thinks it is a dumb move, and no one but you thinks he is excelling. He is a typical Tom Brady receiver....meaning a guy that may (now) have limited skills which Brady makes look good.
You'll be watching him in the Super Bowl in Feb, while you're discussing draft picks on this forum
You'll be watching him in the Super Bowl in Feb, while you're discussing draft picks on this forum
And it will mean nothing as far as Gordon is concerned....because if Brady can take the guys with limited skills like Welker, Edelman, Amendola etc. etc. to the Super Bowl there is no reason that he could not also drag Gordon along with him. He is Just Another Guy that may go along on Brady's skirt tails.
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You'll be watching him in the Super Bowl in Feb, while you're discussing draft picks on this forum
And it will mean nothing as far as Gordon is concerned....because if Brady can take the guys with limited skills like Welker, Edelman, Amendola etc. etc. to the Super Bowl there is no reason that he could not also drag Gordon along with him. He is Just Another Guy that may go along on Brady's skirt tails.
And it will mean nothing as far as Gordon is concerned....because if Brady can take the guys with limited skills like Welker, Edelman, Amendola etc. etc. to the Super Bowl there is no reason that he could not also drag Gordon along with him. He is Just Another Guy that may go along on Brady's skirt tails.
Let's revisit this in the AFC championship and see who makes the plays against presumably KC.
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He still does not look healthy.. and he’s still dominant.
And now it's all peaches and cream since he got his way out of Cleveland... Big TD? he's lost a step or two...
But still. Coulda used the bum...
And now it's all peaches and cream since he got his way out of Cleveland... Big TD? he's lost a step or two...
But still. Coulda used the bum...
Josh played with a dislocated finger and put it back into place a couple of times that game.
Maybe he isn't as fast as he once was, but trading him for nothing was ignorant.
Callaway, and 6th round pick Ratley aren't WR2 and WR3 material yet.
Ridley is already showing he's light years ahead of Callaway, who resembles Greg Little with all the drops.
I know the majority of people here want to build at WR through the draft, but if we keep relying on 4th-6th round picks, we could very well have rookies starting 5-10 years from now every year at WR. I feel like Dorsey tried to hit on Callaway like he hit with Tyreek Hill, but Callaway needs to show something.....
Then you have the case where we develop a WR, and then they walk and get signed with a different team. ala Taylor Gabriel, and Travis Benjamin.
Josh gave us someone taller than 6 foot that could provide a threat to defenses. And yes, I'm bitter the Pats got him for free.
I feel like almost every trade with NE they just something from us for nothing.
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Sure missing Travis Benjamin and his 3 catches for 16 yards on the season at a bargain basement price of 7 million per season.
The Chargers overpaid for a punt returner who can't stay healthy.
Gabriel was a guy we coulve used and could still use although he certainly isn't going to be the big target we're missing.
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And it will mean nothing as far as Gordon is concerned....because if Brady can take the guys with limited skills like Welker, Edelman, Amendola etc. etc. to the Super Bowl there is no reason that he could not also drag Gordon along with him. He is Just Another Guy that may go along on Brady's skirt tails.
Let's revisit this in the AFC championship and see who makes the plays against presumably KC.
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And now it's all peaches and cream since he got his way out of Cleveland... Big TD? he's lost a step or two...
But still. Coulda used the bum...
Josh played with a dislocated finger and put it back into place a couple of times that game.
Maybe he isn't as fast as he once was, but trading him for nothing was ignorant.
Callaway, and 6th round pick Ratley aren't WR2 and WR3 material yet.
Ridley is already showing he's light years ahead of Callaway, who resembles Greg Little with all the drops.
I know the majority of people here want to build at WR through the draft, but if we keep relying on 4th-6th round picks, we could very well have rookies starting 5-10 years from now every year at WR. I feel like Dorsey tried to hit on Callaway like he hit with Tyreek Hill, but Callaway needs to show something.....
Then you have the case where we develop a WR, and then they walk and get signed with a different team. ala Taylor Gabriel, and Travis Benjamin.
Josh gave us someone taller than 6 foot that could provide a threat to defenses. And yes, I'm bitter the Pats got him for free.
I feel like almost every trade with NE they just something from us for nothing.
Maybe he isn't as fast as he once was, but trading him for nothing was ignorant.
Have you not seen what Josh Gordon did to John Dorsey this year? Do you think Bellichik would've put up with Josh not coming to training camp for 3 weeks.......and showing up late and 'phucked up' to a team meeting? The guy HAD to be shipped out. You can't let a guy get away with that or else you'll lose the respect of the rest of the players who come to work, and train, and practice, etc.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
I love the fact that there are people on here who absolutely refuse to admit that Josh Gordon wanted nothing to do with playing for the Browns, and would had continued to pull stunts to avoid doing so. They think him missing the entire training camp never happened. They think his "injury" after hours never happened.
And when he Shmucks up and gets suspended again, and he will, we will laugh at you. Oh yes, it will be loud and boisterous laughter.
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.... as soon as Puffy made that catch, my mind immediately wondered to this thread and who would be the 1st - out of the 3ish usual suspects, to post just how big of a mistake the Browns made by giving away the football and Browns devoted Puffy.
I was not disappointed.
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I love the fact that there are people on here who absolutely refuse to admit that Josh Gordon wanted nothing to do with playing for the Browns, and would had continued to pull stunts to avoid doing so. They think him missing the entire training camp never happened. They think his "injury" after hours never happened.
And when he Shmucks up and gets suspended again, and he will, we will laugh at you. Oh yes, it will be loud and boisterous laughter.
I love the fact that there are people on here who absolutely refuse to admit that Josh Gordon wanted nothing to do with playing for the Browns, and would had continued to pull stunts to avoid doing so. They think him missing the entire training camp never happened. They think his "injury" after hours never happened.
And when he Shmucks up and gets suspended again, and he will, we will laugh at you. Oh yes, it will be loud and boisterous laughter.
Wait...what??? Josh Gordon wasn't with the team working hard and practicing all through training camp??
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I love the fact that there are people on here who absolutely refuse to admit that Josh Gordon wanted nothing to do with playing for the Browns, and would had continued to pull stunts to avoid doing so. They think him missing the entire training camp never happened. They think his "injury" after hours never happened.
And when he Shmucks up and gets suspended again, and he will, we will laugh at you. Oh yes, it will be loud and boisterous laughter.
I love the fact that there are people on here who absolutely refuse to admit that Josh Gordon wanted nothing to do with playing for the Browns, and would had continued to pull stunts to avoid doing so. They think him missing the entire training camp never happened. They think his "injury" after hours never happened.
And when he Shmucks up and gets suspended again, and he will, we will laugh at you. Oh yes, it will be loud and boisterous laughter.
Again, I don't think it had ANYTHING with him "not wanting to play for the Browns". It just had to do with him being a fuyckup.
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I love the fact that there are people on here who absolutely refuse to admit that Josh Gordon wanted nothing to do with playing for the Browns, and would had continued to pull stunts to avoid doing so. They think him missing the entire training camp never happened. They think his "injury" after hours never happened.
And when he Shmucks up and gets suspended again, and he will, we will laugh at you. Oh yes, it will be loud and boisterous laughter.
I love the fact that there are people on here who absolutely refuse to admit that Josh Gordon wanted nothing to do with playing for the Browns, and would had continued to pull stunts to avoid doing so. They think him missing the entire training camp never happened. They think his "injury" after hours never happened.
And when he Shmucks up and gets suspended again, and he will, we will laugh at you. Oh yes, it will be loud and boisterous laughter.
I didn't like the trade, wanted to keep Josh on the team and will admit that he was less than enthused to play for the Browns. What the pumpers won't admit is, he was under contract, would try once in a while, would be the best WR on the team and the culture on this team is laughable without him.
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Maybe he isn't as fast as he once was, but trading him for nothing was ignorant.
Have you not seen what Josh Gordon did to John Dorsey this year? Do you think Bellichik would've put up with Josh not coming to training camp for 3 weeks.......and showing up late and 'phucked up' to a team meeting? The guy HAD to be shipped out. You can't let a guy get away with that or else you'll lose the respect of the rest of the players who come to work, and train, and practice, etc.
Have you not seen what Josh Gordon did to John Dorsey this year? Do you think Bellichik would've put up with Josh not coming to training camp for 3 weeks.......and showing up late and 'phucked up' to a team meeting? The guy HAD to be shipped out. You can't let a guy get away with that or else you'll lose the respect of the rest of the players who come to work, and train, and practice, etc.
When did I say that we didn't have to trade him, or that he wanted to be here?
My point is why trade him to the Pats of all teams. Why get nothing for him?
We could of gotten more for him. If we must get nothing for him, send him to Siberia (aka Buffalo).
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Trading Gordon for peanuts was Dorsey (and supported by Haley's) dumbest move so far. Haley in his short sighted attempt to undermine Hue, sabotaged the team in several ways and this was one of them. I'm not surprised he's excelling in NE, after all I kept him on my fantasy and he won it for me this weekend.
Trading Gordon for peanuts was Dorsey (and supported by Haley's) dumbest move so far. Haley in his short sighted attempt to undermine Hue, sabotaged the team in several ways and this was one of them. I'm not surprised he's excelling in NE, after all I kept him on my fantasy and he won it for me this weekend.
RE: peanuts- it's the best offer we had. RE: fantasy- good for you, or you thick enough to believe we knew damn well when we shipped him out the possibility of him being decent again couldn't happen?
Have you
not seenalready forgotten what Josh Gordon did to John Dorsey this year? Do you think Belichick would've put up with Josh not coming to training camp for 3 weeks.......and showing up late and 'phucked up' to a team meeting? The guy HAD to be shipped out. You can't let a guy get away with that or else you'll lose the respect of the rest of the players who come to work, and train, and practice, etc.FIFY. That and getting constantly suspended.
When did I say that we didn't have to trade him, or that he wanted to be here?
My point is why trade him to the Pats of all teams. Why get nothing for him?
We could of gotten more for him. If we must get nothing for him, send him to Siberia (aka Buffalo).
That's your opinion. Do you honestly believe Dorsey didn't call every team in the NFL and tell them- Gordon is available, give me your best offer. That was the best offer, a low fifth. Gordon is one failed drug test away from being out of the NFL- for good. That's why we couldn't get anything more for him. That and the garbage he pulled showing up late for a meeting, when he knew he couldn't, and oh, missing around 3 years worth of games because of failed drug tests.
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Trading Gordon for peanuts was Dorsey (and supported by Haley's) dumbest move so far. Haley in his short sighted attempt to undermine Hue, sabotaged the team in several ways and this was one of them. I'm not surprised he's excelling in NE, after all I kept him on my fantasy and he won it for me this weekend.
RE: peanuts- it's the best offer we had. RE: fantasy- good for you, or you thick enough to believe we knew damn well when we shipped him out the possibility of him being decent again couldn't happen?
Have you
not seenalready forgotten what Josh Gordon did to John Dorsey this year? Do you think Belichick would've put up with Josh not coming to training camp for 3 weeks.......and showing up late and 'phucked up' to a team meeting? The guy HAD to be shipped out. You can't let a guy get away with that or else you'll lose the respect of the rest of the players who come to work, and train, and practice, etc.FIFY. That and getting constantly suspended.
When did I say that we didn't have to trade him, or that he wanted to be here?
My point is why trade him to the Pats of all teams. Why get nothing for him?
We could of gotten more for him. If we must get nothing for him, send him to Siberia (aka Buffalo).
That's your opinion. Do you honestly believe Dorsey didn't call every team in the NFL and tell them- Gordon is available, give me your best offer. That was the best offer, a low fifth. Gordon is one failed drug test away from being out of the NFL- for good. That's why we couldn't get anything more for him. That and the garbage he pulled showing up late for a meeting, when he knew he couldn't, and oh, missing around 3 years worth of games because of failed drug tests.
RE: peanuts- it's the best offer we had. RE: fantasy- good for you, or you thick enough to believe we knew damn well when we shipped him out the possibility of him being decent again couldn't happen?
FIFY. That and getting constantly suspended.
That's your opinion. Do you honestly believe Dorsey didn't call every team in the NFL and tell them- Gordon is available, give me your best offer. That was the best offer, a low fifth. Gordon is one failed drug test away from being out of the NFL- for good. That's why we couldn't get anything more for him. That and the garbage he pulled showing up late for a meeting, when he knew he couldn't, and oh, missing around 3 years worth of games because of failed drug tests.
The best offer? How could you possibly know that? Don't you think it's possible we wanted Josh to succeed, and perhaps that puts Josh in the best situation to succeed along with us getting something in return?
Burning him would of been sending him to buffalo for a fifth. I highly doubt that pats offer was the best. If we would've waited, we could of traded him for more. But what you're saying about the best is purely speculation on your behalf and there's no way to prove it. That's like saying hastily trading Hyde was the best deal we could get.
They're both nothing but panic trades, and we shouldn't get anything for weak panic trades. Amari Cooper for a first, but Gordon for a fifth? Is Cooper 5x better than Gordon? I think not.
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RE: peanuts- it's the best offer we had. RE: fantasy- good for you, or you thick enough to believe we knew damn well when we shipped him out the possibility of him being decent again couldn't happen?
FIFY. That and getting constantly suspended.
That's your opinion. Do you honestly believe Dorsey didn't call every team in the NFL and tell them- Gordon is available, give me your best offer. That was the best offer, a low fifth. Gordon is one failed drug test away from being out of the NFL- for good. That's why we couldn't get anything more for him. That and the garbage he pulled showing up late for a meeting, when he knew he couldn't, and oh, missing around 3 years worth of games because of failed drug tests.
The best offer? How could you possibly know that? Don't you think it's possible we wanted Josh to succeed, and perhaps that puts Josh in the best situation to succeed along with us getting something in return?
Burning him would of been sending him to buffalo for a fifth. I highly doubt that pats offer was the best. If we would've waited, we could of traded him for more. But what you're saying about the best is purely speculation on your behalf and there's no way to prove it. That's like saying hastily trading Hyde was the best deal we could get.
They're both nothing but panic trades, and we shouldn't get anything for weak panic trades. Amari Cooper for a first, but Gordon for a fifth? Is Cooper 5x better than Gordon? I think not.
They're both nothing but panic trades, and we shouldn't get anything for weak panic trades. Amari Cooper for a first, but Gordon for a fifth? Is Cooper 5x better than Gordon? I think not.
Dallas way overpaid for Cooper. But Cooper is 24 and hasn't been suspended by the league twice. Gordon is older and one drug test away from being out of the league forever. Everyone who thinks we could've gotten more keeps forgetting that part.
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They're both nothing but panic trades, and we shouldn't get anything for weak panic trades. Amari Cooper for a first, but Gordon for a fifth? Is Cooper 5x better than Gordon? I think not.
Dallas way overpaid for Cooper. But Cooper is 24 and hasn't been suspended by the league twice. Gordon is older and one drug test away from being out of the league forever. Everyone who thinks we could've gotten more keeps forgetting that part.
Dallas way overpaid for Cooper. But Cooper is 24 and hasn't been suspended by the league twice. Gordon is older and one drug test away from being out of the league forever. Everyone who thinks we could've gotten more keeps forgetting that part.
You make a valid point Mark, but the argument that every other NFL team didn't offer us anything better holds no truth. Gordon is 27, yes, but that's not old by any standard. He's in his prime.
Perhaps we should've traded Collins for a 7th rounder, and Schobert for a 6th. Maybe we can keep stocking 5th and 6th round picks and drafting receivers like Ratley every year while releasing all of the vets. Because that's definitely a formula for success, and who's to say we don't keep doing that forever.
Keeping Gordon increases your odds of winning. It's obvious anyone Dorsey doesn't like, he gets rid of immediately, for peanuts if possible.
I'm not an advocate for "trade every veteran on the team" because that formula = disaster, and 1-2 wins a year.
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I love the fact that there are people on here who absolutely refuse to admit that Josh Gordon wanted nothing to do with playing for the Browns, and would had continued to pull stunts to avoid doing so. They think him missing the entire training camp never happened. They think his "injury" after hours never happened.
And when he Shmucks up and gets suspended again, and he will, we will laugh at you. Oh yes, it will be loud and boisterous laughter.
Wait...what??? Josh Gordon wasn't with the team working hard and practicing all through training camp??
Wait...what??? Josh Gordon wasn't with the team working hard and practicing all through training camp??
Gordon is gone because the BROWNS........ NOT GORDON............... are the FAKIRS OF FYUCKUPS
There is nothing wrong with Gordon that a good franchise couldn't, and just has, harnessed. Mark O is the classic, childish Browns apologist. Like the spoiled bastard kid that brings a ball to school so he can make up his own rules, he is not adult enough to face the reality that the Cleveland Browns franchise is being laughed at for screwing up with Josh Gordon and letting some other team bring the guy into the fold.
Over and over it goes, I call it the Hoorta Syndrome.....no matter who leaves us and plays well elsewhere, it is "good riddance". YEAH..... Good Riddance...........who needs the most athletic WR in the NFL? We have Jarass Laundry, King Ding Dong Dink and Dump.
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Dallas way overpaid for Cooper. But Cooper is 24 and hasn't been suspended by the league twice. Gordon is older and one drug test away from being out of the league forever. Everyone who thinks we could've gotten more keeps forgetting that part.
You make a valid point Mark, but the argument that every other NFL team didn't offer us anything better holds no truth. Gordon is 27, yes, but that's not old by any standard. He's in his prime.
Perhaps we should've traded Collins for a 7th rounder, and Schobert for a 6th. Maybe we can keep stocking 5th and 6th round picks and drafting receivers like Ratley every year while releasing all of the vets. Because that's definitely a formula for success, and who's to say we don't keep doing that forever.
Keeping Gordon increases your odds of winning. It's obvious anyone Dorsey doesn't like, he gets rid of immediately, for peanuts if possible.
I'm not an advocate for "trade every veteran on the team" because that formula = disaster, and 1-2 wins a year.
You make a valid point Mark, but the argument that every other NFL team didn't offer us anything better holds no truth. Gordon is 27, yes, but that's not old by any standard. He's in his prime.
Perhaps we should've traded Collins for a 7th rounder, and Schobert for a 6th. Maybe we can keep stocking 5th and 6th round picks and drafting receivers like Ratley every year while releasing all of the vets. Because that's definitely a formula for success, and who's to say we don't keep doing that forever.
Keeping Gordon increases your odds of winning. It's obvious anyone Dorsey doesn't like, he gets rid of immediately, for peanuts if possible.
I'm not an advocate for "trade every veteran on the team" because that formula = disaster, and 1-2 wins a year.
How do you know we got offered more than what we got? You have some inside info that the rest of us don't have?
I hope we don't keep trading off the veterans all the time. We traded off Hyde but do we really miss him? Chubb has put up the same or better numbers in each game since Hyde was traded.
I'm not an advocate for trade every veteran either. Josh Gordon and the shit he pulled all summer and then the mysterious hamstring injury that he had and then didn't have was too much. I'm fine with moving on from him. I hope he keeps himself clean and has a successful career in the NFL from this point on. I think it's unlikely that it happens but I hope for his sake he does. I could care less what the media or talking heads on TV have to say about it because I don't watch any of that shit.
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Trading Gordon for peanuts was Dorsey (and supported by Haley's) dumbest move so far. Haley in his short sighted attempt to undermine Hue, sabotaged the team in several ways and this was one of them. I'm not surprised he's excelling in NE, after all I kept him on my fantasy and he won it for me this weekend.
No one but you thinks it is a dumb move, and no one but you thinks he is excelling. He is a typical Tom Brady receiver....meaning a guy that may (now) have limited skills which Brady makes look good.
No one but you thinks it is a dumb move, and no one but you thinks he is excelling. He is a typical Tom Brady receiver....meaning a guy that may (now) have limited skills which Brady makes look good.
There are definitely plenty of us who think it was a dumb move.
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Wait...what??? Josh Gordon wasn't with the team working hard and practicing all through training camp??
Gordon is gone because the BROWNS........ NOT GORDON............... are the FAKIRS OF FYUCKUPS
There is nothing wrong with Gordon that a good franchise couldn't, and just has, harnessed. Mark O is the classic, childish Browns apologist. Like the spoiled bastard kid that brings a ball to school so he can make up his own rules, he is not adult enough to face the reality that the Cleveland Browns franchise is being laughed at for screwing up with Josh Gordon and letting some other team bring the guy into the fold.
Over and over it goes, I call it the Hoorta Syndrome.....no matter who leaves us and plays well elsewhere, it is "good riddance". YEAH..... Good Riddance...........who needs the most athletic WR in the NFL? We have Jarass Laundry, King Ding Dong Dink and Dump.
Gordon is gone because the BROWNS........ NOT GORDON............... are the FAKIRS OF FYUCKUPS
There is nothing wrong with Gordon that a good franchise couldn't, and just has, harnessed. Mark O is the classic, childish Browns apologist. Like the spoiled bastard kid that brings a ball to school so he can make up his own rules, he is not adult enough to face the reality that the Cleveland Browns franchise is being laughed at for screwing up with Josh Gordon and letting some other team bring the guy into the fold.
Over and over it goes, I call it the Hoorta Syndrome.....no matter who leaves us and plays well elsewhere, it is "good riddance". YEAH..... Good Riddance...........who needs the most athletic WR in the NFL? We have Jarass Laundry, King Ding Dong Dink and Dump.
I've been down this road with you once, but in the interest of being fair- about Gordon, read this crap- here's his curriculum vitae if you will. Count up the suspensions- not counting the times he got kicked off college teams. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Gordon
So you've owned business- you going to keep giving a guy unlimited chances, because in the rare instances he actually shows up for work, he's pretty good? If you say so, you're a damn liar. This crap has been going on for years. Bet the ranch he was in a zero tolerance policy. So business owner- you have a big meeting, and this guy shows up late and probably drunk too. Like hell you're going to give him "one more chance". After you've already given him at least a dozen already. It wasn't "good riddance", we just 1) couldn't count on the guy, and 2) he ran out of strikes. You don't get unlimited ones in life.
And now that he's on another team Gordon is miraculously cured of his problems, LOL. Well, he's not. He's a recovering addict that's one screw up away from being out of football for good. Maybe that was the kick in the azz out the door he needed to figure out Dorsey & the Browns weren't about to let him get away with whatever he hell felt like doing- just because he's got some talent. There's things called "team rules" FYI. Break enough of them, and you're gone. As Mark pointed out- if he had pulled the same Sh-it earlier in the year, and he was on the Patriots- Bill would have cut him faster than you can say "New England" .
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