Josh Gordon Traded to Pats
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I love the fact that there are people on here who absolutely refuse to admit that Josh Gordon wanted nothing to do with playing for the Browns, and would had continued to pull stunts to avoid doing so. They think him missing the entire training camp never happened. They think his "injury" after hours never happened.
And when he Shmucks up and gets suspended again, and he will, we will laugh at you. Oh yes, it will be loud and boisterous laughter.
I didn't like the trade, wanted to keep Josh on the team and will admit that he was less than enthused to play for the Browns. What the pumpers won't admit is, he was under contract, would try once in a while, would be the best WR on the team and the culture on this team is laughable without him.
I didn't like the trade, wanted to keep Josh on the team and will admit that he was less than enthused to play for the Browns. What the pumpers won't admit is, he was under contract, would try once in a while, would be the best WR on the team and the culture on this team is laughable without him.
So you think he elevated the culture on this team? now that’s what is laughable.
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No one but you thinks it is a dumb move, and no one but you thinks he is excelling. He is a typical Tom Brady receiver....meaning a guy that may (now) have limited skills which Brady makes look good.
There are definitely plenty of us who think it was a dumb move.
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I've been down this road with you once, but in the interest of being fair- about Gordon, read this crap- here's his curriculum vitae if you will. Count up the suspensions- not counting the times he got kicked off college teams. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Gordon
So you've owned business- you going to keep giving a guy unlimited chances, because in the rare instances he actually shows up for work, he's pretty good? If you say so, you're a damn liar. This crap has been going on for years. Bet the ranch he was in a zero tolerance policy. So business owner- you have a big meeting, and this guy shows up late and probably drunk too. Like hell you're going to give him "one more chance". After you've already given him at least a dozen already. It wasn't "good riddance", we just 1) couldn't count on the guy, and 2) he ran out of strikes. You don't get unlimited ones in life.
And now that he's on another team Gordon is miraculously cured of his problems, LOL. Well, he's not. He's a recovering addict that's one screw up away from being out of football for good. Maybe that was the kick in the azz he needed to figure out Dorsey wasn't about to let him get away with whatever he hell felt like doing- just because he's got some talent. As Mark pointed out- if he had pulled the same Sh-it earlier in the year, and he was on the Patriots- Bill would have cut him faster than you can say "New England" .
Larry, you said these same exact things about Randy Moss and Corey Dillon. You assured me Belichik would choke on these trouble makers, yet both of them "miraculously played their azzes off for Bill, and both went on to SB wins. YOu called Cam Erving a turnstile, and here he is, doing better, production-wise than Joe Thomas ever did his entire career.
You read too much horse manure, and honestly man, your views are way out of touch with achieving success. None of anything Gordon did in the past is applicable to today. A player in the NFL is only as bad as his last performance. Gordon is looking good, 5 catches, 130 yards, 1 TD, Most likely going to at least and AFC championship game.
If the guy does "magically" play large, sorry man, it makes Dorsey and the Browns look bad. There is just no spinning this otherwise.
Larry, you said these same exact things about Randy Moss and Corey Dillon. You assured me Belichik would choke on these trouble makers, yet both of them "miraculously played their azzes off for Bill, and both went on to SB wins. YOu called Cam Erving a turnstile, and here he is, doing better, production-wise than Joe Thomas ever did his entire career.
You read too much horse manure, and honestly man, your views are way out of touch with achieving success. None of anything Gordon did in the past is applicable to today. A player in the NFL is only as bad as his last performance. Gordon is looking good, 5 catches, 130 yards, 1 TD, Most likely going to at least and AFC championship game.
If the guy does "magically" play large, sorry man, it makes Dorsey and the Browns look bad. There is just no spinning this otherwise.
Regarding the BOLD, it sure as hell does. Glad you'd be stupid enough to give a major f**kup in your business unlimited chances. So, since you're still willing to kiss Gordon's azz, here's another business analogy. "Past performance is no guarantee of future results". The Browns hung on to a losing stock for 6 years, and finally decided to dump it. As to what the rest of the League might think, I don't give a rats azz what they might think. Go root for your Raiders or Steelers- and cut the crap.
Belichick has a history of reforming problem children, it's well documented. Could be that Bill and the Patriots were the only team in the NFL willing to think they could rehabilitate Josh. It doesn't change the fact there wasn't any rational reason in the world for the Browns to give Gordon yet another chance, when his entire history with Cleveland since 2013 was a litany of f**kups.
If Josh was another Jeremiah Pharms- doubt you remember him- he would have been cut years ago. Probably wouldn't even have been drafted. That just might have been the problem in the first place. Tom Heckert shouldn't have taken him in the supplemental draft.
End of discussion. Keep beating a dead horse, and I will close this thread.
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Nope
I'd say at least 80% of the fans felt Gordon had worn out his welcome. Maybe more like 90%.
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Nope
I'd say at least 80% of the fans felt Gordon had worn out his welcome. Maybe more like 90%.
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I've been down this road with you once, but in the interest of being fair- about Gordon, read this crap- here's his curriculum vitae if you will. Count up the suspensions- not counting the times he got kicked off college teams. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Gordon
So you've owned business- you going to keep giving a guy unlimited chances, because in the rare instances he actually shows up for work, he's pretty good? If you say so, you're a damn liar. This crap has been going on for years. Bet the ranch he was in a zero tolerance policy. So business owner- you have a big meeting, and this guy shows up late and probably drunk too. Like hell you're going to give him "one more chance". After you've already given him at least a dozen already. It wasn't "good riddance", we just 1) couldn't count on the guy, and 2) he ran out of strikes. You don't get unlimited ones in life.
And now that he's on another team Gordon is miraculously cured of his problems, LOL. Well, he's not. He's a recovering addict that's one screw up away from being out of football for good. Maybe that was the kick in the azz he needed to figure out Dorsey wasn't about to let him get away with whatever he hell felt like doing- just because he's got some talent. As Mark pointed out- if he had pulled the same Sh-it earlier in the year, and he was on the Patriots- Bill would have cut him faster than you can say "New England" .
Larry, you said these same exact things about Randy Moss and Corey Dillon. You assured me Belichik would choke on these trouble makers, yet both of them "miraculously played their azzes off for Bill, and both went on to SB wins. YOu called Cam Erving a turnstile, and here he is, doing better, production-wise than Joe Thomas ever did his entire career.
You read too much horse manure, and honestly man, your views are way out of touch with achieving success. None of anything Gordon did in the past is applicable to today. A player in the NFL is only as bad as his last performance. Gordon is looking good, 5 catches, 130 yards, 1 TD, Most likely going to at least and AFC championship game.
If the guy does "magically" play large, sorry man, it makes Dorsey and the Browns look bad. There is just no spinning this otherwise.
You called Cam Erving a turnstile, and here he is, doing better, production-wise than Joe Thomas ever did his entire career.
YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T WATCH MUCH TAPE. THIS GUY BLEW DEAD WORMS WITH THE BROWNS, AND HIS TOP 10 DOESN'T EVEN INCLUDE SNAPPING THE BALL 5 FEET OVER THE QBS HEAD FOR A SAFETY.
For the love of God, this guy got bull rushed into the QB more times than I could count, flat out pancaked for a couple more. whiffed on easy blocks ditto. But he's a miracle now for the Chiefs. Not exactly. I'm not going to bother dredging up his bad press...
https://factoryofsadness.co/2017/08/30/cleveland-browns-cam-erving-blocks/
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You called Cam Erving a turnstile, and here he is, doing better, production-wise than Joe Thomas ever did his entire career.
YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T WATCH MUCH TAPE. THIS GUY BLEW DEAD WORMS WITH THE BROWNS, AND HIS TOP 10 DOESN'T EVEN INCLUDE SNAPPING THE BALL 5 FEET OVER THE QBS HEAD FOR A SAFETY.
For the love of God, this guy got bull rushed into the QB more times than I could count, flat out pancaked for a couple more. whiffed on easy blocks ditto. But he's a miracle now for the Chiefs. Not exactly. I'm not going to bother dredging up his bad press...
https://factoryofsadness.co/2017/08/30/cleveland-browns-cam-erving-blocks/
YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T WATCH MUCH TAPE. THIS GUY BLEW DEAD WORMS WITH THE BROWNS, AND HIS TOP 10 DOESN'T EVEN INCLUDE SNAPPING THE BALL 5 FEET OVER THE QBS HEAD FOR A SAFETY.
For the love of God, this guy got bull rushed into the QB more times than I could count, flat out pancaked for a couple more. whiffed on easy blocks ditto. But he's a miracle now for the Chiefs. Not exactly. I'm not going to bother dredging up his bad press...
https://factoryofsadness.co/2017/08/30/cleveland-browns-cam-erving-blocks/
My point would be.... look at the way he was “coached up” here. Now look at what Andy Reid has done with him. Good coaching works
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YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T WATCH MUCH TAPE. THIS GUY BLEW DEAD WORMS WITH THE BROWNS, AND HIS TOP 10 DOESN'T EVEN INCLUDE SNAPPING THE BALL 5 FEET OVER THE QBS HEAD FOR A SAFETY.
For the love of God, this guy got bull rushed into the QB more times than I could count, flat out pancaked for a couple more. whiffed on easy blocks ditto. But he's a miracle now for the Chiefs. Not exactly. I'm not going to bother dredging up his bad press...
https://factoryofsadness.co/2017/08/30/cleveland-browns-cam-erving-blocks/
My point would be.... look at the way he was “coached up” here. Now look at what Andy Reid has done with him. Good coaching works
My point would be.... look at the way he was “coached up” here. Now look at what Andy Reid has done with him. Good coaching works
Yup.... coached all the way "up" to a PFF grade of 47.0... good for ranking as the #68 OG in the league.
That's #68!
If my math is correct, that means there are at least 4 backup OGs who rank higher than Cam.
Here's a comment from PFF's OL ranking after Week 6...
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The Chiefs’ extension of Cam Erving earlier this year was head-scratching and even more so now. He’s been easily their lowest-graded offensive lineman so far this season and hasn’t even really flashed high-level play with his highest single-game overall grade so far being only 70.7.
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My point would be.... look at the way he was “coached up” here. Now look at what Andy Reid has done with him. Good coaching works
Yup.... coached all the way "up" to a PFF grade of 47.0... good for ranking as the #68 OG in the league.
That's #68!
If my math is correct, that means there are at least 4 backup OGs who rank higher than Cam.
Here's a comment from PFF's OL ranking after Week 6...
19.
The Chiefs’ extension of Cam Erving earlier this year was head-scratching and even more so now. He’s been easily their lowest-graded offensive lineman so far this season and hasn’t even really flashed high-level play with his highest single-game overall grade so far being only 70.7.
Yup.... coached all the way "up" to a PFF grade of 47.0... good for ranking as the #68 OG in the league.
That's #68!
If my math is correct, that means there are at least 4 backup OGs who rank higher than Cam.
Here's a comment from PFF's OL ranking after Week 6...
Where do the Browns OGs rate?
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Dallas way overpaid for Cooper. But Cooper is 24 and hasn't been suspended by the league twice. Gordon is older and one drug test away from being out of the league forever. Everyone who thinks we could've gotten more keeps forgetting that part.
You make a valid point Mark, but the argument that every other NFL team didn't offer us anything better holds no truth. Gordon is 27, yes, but that's not old by any standard. He's in his prime.
Perhaps we should've traded Collins for a 7th rounder, and Schobert for a 6th. Maybe we can keep stocking 5th and 6th round picks and drafting receivers like Ratley every year while releasing all of the vets. Because that's definitely a formula for success, and who's to say we don't keep doing that forever.
Keeping Gordon increases your odds of winning. It's obvious anyone Dorsey doesn't like, he gets rid of immediately, for peanuts if possible.
I'm not an advocate for "trade every veteran on the team" because that formula = disaster, and 1-2 wins a year.
You make a valid point Mark, but the argument that every other NFL team didn't offer us anything better holds no truth. Gordon is 27, yes, but that's not old by any standard. He's in his prime.
Perhaps we should've traded Collins for a 7th rounder, and Schobert for a 6th. Maybe we can keep stocking 5th and 6th round picks and drafting receivers like Ratley every year while releasing all of the vets. Because that's definitely a formula for success, and who's to say we don't keep doing that forever.
Keeping Gordon increases your odds of winning. It's obvious anyone Dorsey doesn't like, he gets rid of immediately, for peanuts if possible.
I'm not an advocate for "trade every veteran on the team" because that formula = disaster, and 1-2 wins a year.
so wait Dorsey didn't like him but you're suggesting in a previous post that he took less of a deal to put Josh who he doesn't like in the best situation possible while not worrying about what the team he is in charge of could get. Come on man that makes absolutely zero fu cking sense.
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My point would be.... look at the way he was “coached up” here. Now look at what Andy Reid has done with him. Good coaching works
Yup.... coached all the way "up" to a PFF grade of 47.0... good for ranking as the #68 OG in the league.
That's #68!
If my math is correct, that means there are at least 4 backup OGs who rank higher than Cam.
Here's a comment from PFF's OL ranking after Week 6...
19.
The Chiefs’ extension of Cam Erving earlier this year was head-scratching and even more so now. He’s been easily their lowest-graded offensive lineman so far this season and hasn’t even really flashed high-level play with his highest single-game overall grade so far being only 70.7.
Yup.... coached all the way "up" to a PFF grade of 47.0... good for ranking as the #68 OG in the league.
That's #68!
If my math is correct, that means there are at least 4 backup OGs who rank higher than Cam.
Here's a comment from PFF's OL ranking after Week 6...
So is that better or worse than a “turnstile” here?
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You make a valid point Mark, but the argument that every other NFL team didn't offer us anything better holds no truth. Gordon is 27, yes, but that's not old by any standard. He's in his prime.
Perhaps we should've traded Collins for a 7th rounder, and Schobert for a 6th. Maybe we can keep stocking 5th and 6th round picks and drafting receivers like Ratley every year while releasing all of the vets. Because that's definitely a formula for success, and who's to say we don't keep doing that forever.
Keeping Gordon increases your odds of winning. It's obvious anyone Dorsey doesn't like, he gets rid of immediately, for peanuts if possible.
I'm not an advocate for "trade every veteran on the team" because that formula = disaster, and 1-2 wins a year.
so wait Dorsey didn't like him but you're suggesting in a previous post that he took less of a deal to put Josh who he doesn't like in the best situation possible while not worrying about what the team he is in charge of could get. Come on man that makes absolutely zero fu cking sense.
so wait Dorsey didn't like him but you're suggesting in a previous post that he took less of a deal to put Josh who he doesn't like in the best situation possible while not worrying about what the team he is in charge of could get. Come on man that makes absolutely zero fu cking sense.
no, It's apparent Dorsey will cut ties with anyone ASAP just to send a message. We have no idea what else or if anything else was offered for Josh. But I do know, waiting till WR needy teams were more desperate was the smarter move. Selling something as soon as possible, lower than usual is the worst possible way to sell something.
You can defend him on that all you want, but we freaking got jack for him.
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so wait Dorsey didn't like him but you're suggesting in a previous post that he took less of a deal to put Josh who he doesn't like in the best situation possible while not worrying about what the team he is in charge of could get. Come on man that makes absolutely zero fu cking sense.
no, It's apparent Dorsey will cut ties with anyone ASAP just to send a message. We have no idea what else or if anything else was offered for Josh. But I do know, waiting till WR needy teams were more desperate was the smarter move. Selling something as soon as possible, lower than usual is the worst possible way to sell something.
You can defend him on that all you want, but we freaking got jack for him.
no, It's apparent Dorsey will cut ties with anyone ASAP just to send a message. We have no idea what else or if anything else was offered for Josh. But I do know, waiting till WR needy teams were more desperate was the smarter move. Selling something as soon as possible, lower than usual is the worst possible way to sell something.
You can defend him on that all you want, but we freaking got jack for him.
Actually they were going to cut him outright.....a move likely long overdue. But, we did get Jack for him....that draft pick could turn out to be a Pro Bowler for all we know.
Cleveland teams have picked HOFers in round 5 in the past:
Fifth Round
Year
Player
Overall
Pos.
Team
1944
Bob Waterfield 42 QB Cleveland Rams (Drafted as a future selection.) 1945 Pete Pihos 41 E Philadelphia Eagles (Drafted as a future selection.) 1953 Stan Jones 54 G-DT Chicago Bears (Drafted as a future selection.) 1957 Henry Jordan 52 DT Cleveland Browns 1959 D-ick LeBeau 58 CB Cleveland Browns 1974 Mike Webster 125 C Pittsburgh Steelers 1985 Kevin Greene 113 LB/DE Los Angeles Rams
Of course, it would be better to keep them than to trade them away early in their careers like Jordan and LeBeau.
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You make a valid point Mark, but the argument that every other NFL team didn't offer us anything better holds no truth. Gordon is 27, yes, but that's not old by any standard. He's in his prime.
Perhaps we should've traded Collins for a 7th rounder, and Schobert for a 6th. Maybe we can keep stocking 5th and 6th round picks and drafting receivers like Ratley every year while releasing all of the vets. Because that's definitely a formula for success, and who's to say we don't keep doing that forever.
Keeping Gordon increases your odds of winning. It's obvious anyone Dorsey doesn't like, he gets rid of immediately, for peanuts if possible.
I'm not an advocate for "trade every veteran on the team" because that formula = disaster, and 1-2 wins a year.
How do you know we got offered more than what we got? You have some inside info that the rest of us don't have?
I hope we don't keep trading off the veterans all the time. We traded off Hyde but do we really miss him? Chubb has put up the same or better numbers in each game since Hyde was traded.
I'm not an advocate for trade every veteran either. Josh Gordon and the shit he pulled all summer and then the mysterious hamstring injury that he had and then didn't have was too much. I'm fine with moving on from him. I hope he keeps himself clean and has a successful career in the NFL from this point on. I think it's unlikely that it happens but I hope for his sake he does. I could care less what the media or talking heads on TV have to say about it because I don't watch any of that shit.
How do you know we got offered more than what we got? You have some inside info that the rest of us don't have?
I hope we don't keep trading off the veterans all the time. We traded off Hyde but do we really miss him? Chubb has put up the same or better numbers in each game since Hyde was traded.
I'm not an advocate for trade every veteran either. Josh Gordon and the Sheet he pulled all summer and then the mysterious hamstring injury that he had and then didn't have was too much. I'm fine with moving on from him. I hope he keeps himself clean and has a successful career in the NFL from this point on. I think it's unlikely that it happens but I hope for his sake he does. I could care less what the media or talking heads on TV have to say about it because I don't watch any of that Sheet.
No way of proving we could of or couldn't of gotten offered more. The lack of depth gives us practice squad players replacing Gaines and Kirksey this week. That's great and all for "growth", but in 5-10 years, we need to get some depth and if we can't draft enough NFL talented players to play competitively in the NFL, we need to sign some free agents then.
Josh Gordon liked the instagram post of Hue getting fired. It's quite possible that Josh Gordon simply hated Hue and his system and everything to do with the Browns "process". Notice, a LOT of our moves still feel Exactly like moneyball moves. Everything, from cutting Nassib and Meder for unnamed newcomers to discussing trading Devalve. Who freaking knows how involved Depo still is with all of the decisions. But trading Hyde was Definitely a moneyball move, 100%.
It's very possible Josh orchestrated this himself to get out of the Browns situation. I don't deny it, with his agent being who he is. Josh slacks off, gets traded or cut, and then has the opportunity to light it up and get a big contract. Only person to be upset with here is Josh, for never giving it his all. I don't fully blame Dorsey for trading him, but you can't say a 5th rounder was maximum value we got for him, because who knows what would've been offered if we waited longer than simply trading him immediately.
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no, It's apparent Dorsey will cut ties with anyone ASAP just to send a message. We have no idea what else or if anything else was offered for Josh. But I do know, waiting till WR needy teams were more desperate was the smarter move. Selling something as soon as possible, lower than usual is the worst possible way to sell something.
You can defend him on that all you want, but we freaking got jack for him.
Actually they were going to cut him outright.....a move likely long overdue. But, we did get Jack for him....that draft pick could turn out to be a Pro Bowler for all we know.
Cleveland teams have picked HOFers in round 5 in the past:
Fifth Round
Year
Player
Overall
Pos.
Team
1944
Bob Waterfield 42 QB Cleveland Rams (Drafted as a future selection.) 1945 Pete Pihos 41 E Philadelphia Eagles (Drafted as a future selection.) 1953 Stan Jones 54 G-DT Chicago Bears (Drafted as a future selection.) 1957 Henry Jordan 52 DT Cleveland Browns 1959 D-ick LeBeau 58 CB Cleveland Browns 1974 Mike Webster 125 C Pittsburgh Steelers 1985 Kevin Greene 113 LB/DE Los Angeles Rams
Of course, it would be better to keep them than to trade them away early in their careers like Jordan and LeBeau.
Actually they were going to cut him outright.....a move likely long overdue. But, we did get Jack for him....that draft pick could turn out to be a Pro Bowler for all we know.
Cleveland teams have picked HOFers in round 5 in the past:
Fifth Round
Year
Player
Overall
Pos.
Team
1944
Bob Waterfield 42 QB Cleveland Rams (Drafted as a future selection.) 1945 Pete Pihos 41 E Philadelphia Eagles (Drafted as a future selection.) 1953 Stan Jones 54 G-DT Chicago Bears (Drafted as a future selection.) 1957 Henry Jordan 52 DT Cleveland Browns 1959 finger LeBeau 58 CB Cleveland Browns 1974 Mike Webster 125 C Pittsburgh Steelers 1985 Kevin Greene 113 LB/DE Los Angeles Rams
Of course, it would be better to keep them than to trade them away early in their careers like Jordan and LeBeau.
Gip, that would be amazing. Tyreek Hill was a 5th rounder. I think Callaway was Dorsey's Tyreek Hill attempt at us, but he hasn't been near as electric although he's still only a rookie. Statistics show it's rather hard to slam dunk a fifth rounder. And more so than slam dunk, it's hard to get a player to stay in Cleveland after their contract is up.
Who knows if Garrett will want to stay here after his contract is up, especially if we're losing. Mack and Schwartz walked, and we developed both of them. Quite frankly, if we're still winning few games and starting late round picks like Ratley or undrafted free agents, I highly doubt anyone we draft and bring up will want to stay here out of "loyalty". Many will want to win, and simply wont want to be associated with 1-31 type records.
Frankly, i'm quite concerned Depo's strategy is to keep us young forever, full of late round picks hoping we hit on some of them. All while team's like the Buccaneers benefit from our bringing up of Nassib as an NFL player. One can only get sick of this when we witness Josh Gordon catching a TD in the superbowl, because his wanting out could of very well been the fault of Hue Jackson and Jimmy Haslam's inefficiency.
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How do you know we got offered more than what we got? You have some inside info that the rest of us don't have?
I hope we don't keep trading off the veterans all the time. We traded off Hyde but do we really miss him? Chubb has put up the same or better numbers in each game since Hyde was traded.
I'm not an advocate for trade every veteran either. Josh Gordon and the Sheet he pulled all summer and then the mysterious hamstring injury that he had and then didn't have was too much. I'm fine with moving on from him. I hope he keeps himself clean and has a successful career in the NFL from this point on. I think it's unlikely that it happens but I hope for his sake he does. I could care less what the media or talking heads on TV have to say about it because I don't watch any of that Sheet.
No way of proving we could of or couldn't of gotten offered more. The lack of depth gives us practice squad players replacing Gaines and Kirksey this week. That's great and all for "growth", but in 5-10 years, we need to get some depth and if we can't draft enough NFL talented players to play competitively in the NFL, we need to sign some free agents then.
Josh Gordon liked the instagram post of Hue getting fired. It's quite possible that Josh Gordon simply hated Hue and his system and everything to do with the Browns "process". Notice, a LOT of our moves still feel Exactly like moneyball moves. Everything, from cutting Nassib and Meder for unnamed newcomers to discussing trading Devalve. Who freaking knows how involved Depo still is with all of the decisions. But trading Hyde was Definitely a moneyball move, 100%.
It's very possible Josh orchestrated this himself to get out of the Browns situation. I don't deny it, with his agent being who he is. Josh slacks off, gets traded or cut, and then has the opportunity to light it up and get a big contract. Only person to be upset with here is Josh, for never giving it his all. I don't fully blame Dorsey for trading him, but you can't say a 5th rounder was maximum value we got for him, because who knows what would've been offered if we waited longer than simply trading him immediately.
No way of proving we could of or couldn't of gotten offered more.
That is right...so quit with the belly aching and second guessing.
The lack of depth gives us practice squad players replacing Gaines and Kirksey this week.
And such a thing would likely happen to every single one of the 32 NFL teams in that situation.
That's great and all for "growth", but in 5-10 years, we need to get some depth and if we can't draft enough NFL talented players to play competitively in the NFL, we need to sign some free agents then.
Dorsey has drafted competitive players that are likely backups. Every one of these guys is playing either a starting or backup role on this team:
1 QB 2018 0 0 1 0 7 159 265 1768 10 7 15 91 0 Oklahoma 2018 1 Denzel Ward 4 CB 2018 0 0 1 0 9 3 Ohio St. 2018 2 Austin Corbett 33 C 2018 0 0 0 0 7 Nevada 2018 2 Nick Chubb 35 RB 2018 0 0 0 0 9 74 403 4 3 15 0 Georgia 2018 3 Chad Thomas 67 DE 2018 0 0 0 0 4 Miami (FL) 2018 4 Antonio Callaway 105 WR 2018 0 0 1 0 9 2 7 0 24 287 2 Florida 2018 5 Genard Avery 150 LB 2018 0 0 0 0 9 2.5 Memphis 2018 6 Damion Ratley 175 WR 2018 0 0 0 0 6 12 142 0 Texas A&M 2018 6 Except forThomas....whatever happened to him?
Josh Gordon liked the instagram post of Hue getting fired. It's quite possible that Josh Gordon simply hated Hue and his system and everything to do with the Browns "process". Notice, a LOT of our moves still feel Exactly like moneyball moves. Everything, from cutting Nassib and Meder for unnamed newcomers to discussing trading Devalve. Who freaking knows how involved Depo still is with all of the decisions. But trading Hyde was Definitely a moneyball move, 100%.
It's very possible Josh orchestrated this himself to get out of the Browns situation. I don't deny it, with his agent being who he is. Josh slacks off, gets traded or cut, and then has the opportunity to light it up and get a big contract. Only person to be upset with here is Josh, for never giving it his all. I don't fully blame Dorsey for trading him, but you can't say a 5th rounder was maximum value we got for him, because who knows what would've been offered if we waited longer than simply trading him immediately.
Yes, I CAN say it: A 5th rounder IS maximum value we could have gotten for a guy who was suspended for the better part of 4 years and whose abilities likely wane significantly in that time. If we had waited longer, who knows....he may have ended up suspended for life...which could still happen.
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Actually they were going to cut him outright.....a move likely long overdue. But, we did get Jack for him....that draft pick could turn out to be a Pro Bowler for all we know.
Cleveland teams have picked HOFers in round 5 in the past:
Fifth Round
Year
Player
Overall
Pos.
Team
1944
Bob Waterfield 42 QB Cleveland Rams (Drafted as a future selection.) 1945 Pete Pihos 41 E Philadelphia Eagles (Drafted as a future selection.) 1953 Stan Jones 54 G-DT Chicago Bears (Drafted as a future selection.) 1957 Henry Jordan 52 DT Cleveland Browns 1959 finger LeBeau 58 CB Cleveland Browns 1974 Mike Webster 125 C Pittsburgh Steelers 1985 Kevin Greene 113 LB/DE Los Angeles Rams
Of course, it would be better to keep them than to trade them away early in their careers like Jordan and LeBeau.
Gip, that would be amazing. Tyreek Hill was a 5th rounder. I think Callaway was Dorsey's Tyreek Hill attempt at us, but he hasn't been near as electric although he's still only a rookie. Statistics show it's rather hard to slam dunk a fifth rounder. And more so than slam dunk, it's hard to get a player to stay in Cleveland after their contract is up.
Who knows if Garrett will want to stay here after his contract is up, especially if we're losing. Mack and Schwartz walked, and we developed both of them. Quite frankly, if we're still winning few games and starting late round picks like Ratley or undrafted free agents, I highly doubt anyone we draft and bring up will want to stay here out of "loyalty". Many will want to win, and simply wont want to be associated with 1-31 type records.
Frankly, i'm quite concerned Depo's strategy is to keep us young forever, full of late round picks hoping we hit on some of them. All while team's like the Buccaneers benefit from our bringing up of Nassib as an NFL player. One can only get sick of this when we witness Josh Gordon catching a TD in the superbowl, because his wanting out could of very well been the fault of Hue Jackson and Jimmy Haslam's inefficiency.
Gip, that would be amazing. Tyreek Hill was a 5th rounder. I think Callaway was Dorsey's Tyreek Hill attempt at us, but he hasn't been near as electric although he's still only a rookie. Statistics show it's rather hard to slam dunk a fifth rounder. And more so than slam dunk, it's hard to get a player to stay in Cleveland after their contract is up.
No, it isn't. Just pay them. (but sure, having a 5th rounder becoming super successful...Pro Bowl/HOF caliber would be a big stroke of luck)
Who knows if Garrett will want to stay here after his contract is up, especially if we're losing. Mack and Schwartz walked, and we developed both of them.
Mack did walk.....but The Schwartz did not. He would have stayed here if the Browns had taken care of him....which Sashi refused to do. Browns are suffering now from that. It was Sashi being a cheapass mothershutyourmouth with Schwarts,
Quite frankly, if we're still winning few games and starting late round picks like Ratley or undrafted free agents, I highly doubt anyone we draft and bring up will want to stay here out of "loyalty". Many will want to win, and simply wont want to be associated with 1-31 type records.
This sentence makes no sense. Try reading what you wrote.
Frankly, i'm quite concerned Depo's strategy is to keep us young forever, full of late round picks hoping we hit on some of them. All while team's like the Buccaneers benefit from our bringing up of Nassib as an NFL player. One can only get sick of this when we witness Josh Gordon catching a TD in the superbowl, because his wanting out could of very well been the fault of Hue Jackson and Jimmy Haslam's inefficiency.
I don't think he thought about wanting out.....you assess too much intellect to him. He was just a fuyckup who fuyckedup one too many times., and the team had enough.
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How do you know we got offered more than what we got? You have some inside info that the rest of us don't have?
I hope we don't keep trading off the veterans all the time. We traded off Hyde but do we really miss him? Chubb has put up the same or better numbers in each game since Hyde was traded.
I'm not an advocate for trade every veteran either. Josh Gordon and the Sheet he pulled all summer and then the mysterious hamstring injury that he had and then didn't have was too much. I'm fine with moving on from him. I hope he keeps himself clean and has a successful career in the NFL from this point on. I think it's unlikely that it happens but I hope for his sake he does. I could care less what the media or talking heads on TV have to say about it because I don't watch any of that Sheet.
No way of proving we could of or couldn't of gotten offered more. The lack of depth gives us practice squad players replacing Gaines and Kirksey this week. That's great and all for "growth", but in 5-10 years, we need to get some depth and if we can't draft enough NFL talented players to play competitively in the NFL, we need to sign some free agents then.
Josh Gordon liked the instagram post of Hue getting fired. It's quite possible that Josh Gordon simply hated Hue and his system and everything to do with the Browns "process". Notice, a LOT of our moves still feel Exactly like moneyball moves. Everything, from cutting Nassib and Meder for unnamed newcomers to discussing trading Devalve. Who freaking knows how involved Depo still is with all of the decisions. But trading Hyde was Definitely a moneyball move, 100%.
It's very possible Josh orchestrated this himself to get out of the Browns situation. I don't deny it, with his agent being who he is. Josh slacks off, gets traded or cut, and then has the opportunity to light it up and get a big contract. Only person to be upset with here is Josh, for never giving it his all. I don't fully blame Dorsey for trading him, but you can't say a 5th rounder was maximum value we got for him, because who knows what would've been offered if we waited longer than simply trading him immediately.
Josh Gordon liked the instagram post of Hue getting fired. It's quite possible that Josh Gordon simply hated Hue and his system and everything to do with the Browns "process". Notice, a LOT of our moves still feel Exactly like moneyball moves. Everything, from cutting Nassib and Meder for unnamed newcomers to discussing trading Devalve. Who freaking knows how involved Depo still is with all of the decisions.
But trading Hyde was Definitely a moneyball move, 100%.
Trading Hyde wasn't moneyball hate to tell you. Either Hue or Haley refused to give Chubb enough touches, Dorsey forced their hand. Amazing how all of a sudden Duke Johnson got more involved in the offense when H & H got sent packing, huh?
Yeah, we really miss Carlos- Six carries for 11 yards against the Eagles. Long of seven, meaning he had 5 carries for four yards.
I have to think Dorsey- along with Wolf and Highsmith know a tad more about player evaluation than you do. It could be guys like Shelton, Nassib, and Meder (who's currently unemployed BTW) were bad fits for our scheme.
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Come on guys, I am not even going to quote Mr. Troll from his posts in last day. But he is OBVIOUSLY trolling.
Just look back from start of season and look at how bad he talked about Mr. Gordon, now he is saying the opposite. He is ONLY trying to upset people and talk bad about the team.
He also cannot keep his stupid crap together, or at least wont to prove a point. He has said even after being proven wrong about Brady never winning another playoff game, etc. But now that they got Gordon, New England is AT LEAST going to AFC championship game. Mr numbskull Ghoolie, that would be ANOTHER playoff win, at least number 5 since you said he was done and would never win another one.
As for the others still complaining about the trade, please at least use logic to formulate the whining. Doesn't matter to me whether he was on the team or not. But to say they didn't get the best deal for him, that certainly isnt proven, it's just your thought on what he was worth. And you certainly cant tell someone that they didn't get what he was worth because there is no proof they did, and turn around and say they could have gotten more WITHOUT PROOF.
And I don't know if you guys just dont know much football or just dont want to look at something objectively, but you CANT look at stats as a player in Cleveland vs New England. It's just not in a vacuum like that. Everyone wants to talk about how bad the WR group is, and I wont argue that, but if you added Gordon to it, it's not like it becomes the best. He would be the most talented, but he would still draw the most attention, thus taking away from stats. He also wouldn't be surrounded by the other NE receivers.
But the 2biggest reasons you cant look at it just by stats, is the thing most have complained about the most all season, the coaching staff. NE puts their players in the right position to succeed, while most here have called Cleveland coaches some of worst ever. And the TOP reason, TOM BRADY. You think maybe the best QB ever helps Josh succeed more than a rookie QB that some are already turning on.
I just dont understand why some want to be a part of a message board or a fan of a team when ALL they want to do is complain about them.
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Josh Gordon's success, any way you want to slice it, makes the Browns look bad.
I don't know another team who lets so many players get away that wind up going to the Superbowl.
Cam Erving is a slap in the face to these jackoffs who complained about the Browns OL being bad.
As.far as trolling goes.....If ANYTHING...AND I MEAN ANYTHING that someone posts on a message board causes you to be mad in your real life?
TheN it is YOU....who are fukcked up.
One guy actually.posted about talking Ghoolie to his wife???????? That's normal?
Then this Gunz guy repeatedly quotes me after announcing he never reads me? And talks about me posting to make people mad?
DUDES.....as God is my judge....my heartfelt wish is that you have nothing but good things in your life. HOWEVER......IF BROWNS POSTS are angering you? You need help.
I NEVER post to make people mad. I don't have time for that crap. YOU are the ones bringing emotion into a stupid forum.
Am I contrary? Sure, but dudes, more of my stuff comes to pass than doesn't.
Just be calm and consider this......
I proclaimed from day 1, Haley.was a flunky, a coffee fetcher. I called hue a failure after 1 QTR of his first preseason game.
Guys like Hoorta called it trolling.....but but but.....be honest.....was it trolling, or was it good vision???
You guys need to lighten up and understand what good debate is. Really, does contrary opinion bother you that much? If it does, you need help.
Relax. The NFL has nothing to do with your real lives. I have NEVER once in my life been mad because of this horse crap. Grow up, already.
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