Steve McNair shot to death

[Kosar_For_President]

@vegasdogg said:

Anyone else think that tons of numbers are being deleted from cell phones and tons of side chicks aren't getting their calls answered by pro athletes today?

No because it will get you shot.

[Flugel]

@shepwrite said:

Appears to be a murder-suicide. He was shot several times with a shotgun and she was shot once in the head with a pistol, which was nearby.

The two of them got in an accident two days earlier and she got a DUI. Turned out the Escalade was co-owned by the two of them. McNair has a wife and four sons.

McNair was busted in 2003 and 2007 for DUI, but the second one he wasn't actually driving. He just let someone drive his car while they were both inebriated. In 2003, he had a loaded gun in the car.

Guns don't create a lot of joy. Their presence (the multiple firearms in that condo) turns a screaming match (maybe about telling his wife since the DUI was about to take it public) into a murder-suicide.

They mix especially poorly with alcohol and both were part of McNair's otherwise extraordinary life. Few players were loved more by teammates and coaches. He was by all accounts a truly good guy...

With weaknesses for other women, guns, and booze. They can add up to a nasty snake and it bit him.

I'm not sure the national media reported McNair had an apartment, which tends to coincide with what guys do when they are seperated from their wives. That said, I don't know if he was legally seperated or not but I'm guessing the history with the girlfriend isn't just being learned by Mrs McNair.

Good point about women, guns and booze Shep. I posted a while back that the Governor of Nashville was contemplating a bill that was passed by state congress here in Tenn by a 3 to 1 vote (22 to 7) to allow guns in local bars and restaurants. Is that NOT freakin scary? The Governor made sure he stipulated that anyone with a GUN is allowed to bring it in as long as they promise NOT to drink. Those in favor forgot to POLL the local bar owners that would responsible for policing such an absurdity. it's not like bar personnel make great cash in the first place. Now you gotta put them in danger on top of it?

I'm not sure what's happened since. It seems like there's been a recent increase in the incidence of nightime shootings outside of bars downtown most recently though. Can't tell you if that's just a coincidence or the thugs are getting excited about potential legislation that will clobber the friendly and safe Nashville downtown tourist attraction and traditions here.

- Tom F. (This is depressing so thanks for getting me sidetracked about Vince Young in our Wonderlic thread)

[kshutchins]

@shepwrite said:

Well, he'll remembered for what he was, a human being who did a lot of great things but made a fatal mistake that leaves his sons without a father. It's part of his resume for better or worse.

I know that McNair's bad judgement clearly fits the technical definition of a "mistake" but I hate having his (or anyone else's) extramarital affair called that. To me, a "mistake" is made when you miscount your change, trip over your own feet, forget to refill the cat's water bowl, or some similar errant event lacking intent. Calling something a mistake seems to imply that it was inadvertant. An extramarital affair doesn't happen inadvertantly; it definitely falls under the category of a choice. That's not to say that I condemn the man for it because I don't (maybe he and his wife WERE separated). We've all made questionable decisions in our lives and many of us have been lucky enough to avoid catastrophic consequences. This sad situation should serve as a tragic reminder that some risks are not worth taking and luck is not always good.

[ballpeen]

@shepwrite said:

Well, he'll remembered for what he was, a human being who did a lot of great things but made a fatal mistake that leaves his sons without a father. It's part of his resume for better or worse.

The L.A. Times story clearly said he was on the couch and was shot several times with a shotgun while she was shot once in the head by a pistol that was near her body. Another report said the police will consider everything but aren't aggressively looking for suspects... which I took to mean it was a murder-suicide.

So why no mention of finding a shotgun being found.

[Vegasdogg]

@planet-0range said:

"McNair, 36, was shot four times, twice in the head, by a semiautomatic pistol

Two to the head and two to the chest. Sounds professional to me. A 20 year grouping her shots like that? Even at close range that is rare for an ordinary citizen. Could be she did it then killed herself. Just not ordinary.

[ballpeen]

@vegasdogg said:

Two to the head and two to the chest. Sounds professional to me. A 20 year grouping her shots like that? Even at close range that is rare for an ordinary citizen. Could be she did it then killed herself. Just not ordinary.

It isn't normal...women don't usually kill a lover then take their own life.

As to the shots...it isn't that hard if you are just a few feet away which she very easily could have been.

It doesn't say where in the head the guy was shot...one or both may have been in the back of the head, nor does it indicate how many shots may have been fired...auto's with a clip can hold more than 6 rounds...and only 5 body shots were fired.

Information I head this morning said the door to the apartment was locked when Neeley arrived, so that makes it harder to think outside shooter....though that doesn't mean a key couldn't have been obtained in one manner or another.

[Sez.EJ]

What I find disturbing is that all the articles discuss what a GREAT guy he was. He was caught Driving at b.a.l. of .19 WOW... and with a loaded gun in the car. Great guys don't drive at nearly 2 1/2 times the legal limit with loaded weapon. He has had other drinking issues showing he likely had a problem. People don't look at booze as a drug. But it is in fact the most abused drug in our society. It just happens to be legal. Also "Great Guys "don't have affairs on their wife and family.

It is amazing what we as a society consider GOOD behavior.. I am not saying he was a P.O.S.. "ALL" men are sinners. But it seems if you do some good things in public.. people will ovelook pretty much anything in your private life. I pray for his family who is not only devastated by his death, but by the shock of his betrayal of wife and kids. Oh, and by the way.. only 2 of his 4 boys were with his wife.. so there are even more families out there effected by this.. It appears he was supporting at least 2-3 families where he has fathered children.

Cheating husbands don't just cheat on their wife.. They screw over their kids, parents, and in laws, and other family members who count on them and look up to them. You also screw up the life of the person you are cheating with. It effects very large number of people, not just a marriage of husband and wife.

I am not saying this to rag on him and condemn him.. I don't. People make mistakes all the time. I am just pointing out how screwed up our society is for what we consider acceptable behavior.

Steve you were a GREAT ball player, did some wonderful things for society. I will pray for your family (s) who is certainly in great pain, and for the family of the young girl. You will be missed. You went much too young.

[choco]

sounds like another athlete with a self control problem.

i have a hard time feeling bad for people that bring things on themselves.

i do hope the best for his children....

[ballpeen]

i have a hard time feeling bad for people that bring things on themselves.

Maybe so, but what he did didn't deserve this.

[John McClane]

@ballpeen said:

Maybe so, but what he did didn't deserve this.

We all sit here and judge but none of us don't even know him. Watching him play football on TV or read about what he does in the media doesn't mean you "KNOW" him. As far as we all know, maybe he did deserve it. Point is none of us knows what went on behind the curtains and we shouldn't judge.

[ballpeen]

John McClane said:

We all sit here and judge but none of us don't even know him. Watching him play football on TV or read about what he does in the media doesn't mean you "KNOW" him. As far as we all know, maybe he did deserve it. Point is none of us knows what went on behind the curtains and we shouldn't judge.

I would say nobody deserves to be murdered.

[John McClane]

@ballpeen said:

I would say nobody deserves to be murdered.

Even a guy like OJ simpson? Anyone who watched the trial knows he was guilty as hell. The prosecutors dropped the ball and screwd up that whole case. Some people say that he deserves to get off because he beat the system but I say screw that! He damn near cut the heads off of two innocent people!

[Riffer X]

If a black QB is not a complete idget like Vick or Young they are considered these great role models etc. just because they are decent dudes. Let's not forget the crazy shit Moon did with his spouse. He was considered the Cosby of NFL players and then went ballistic with his old lady. Media pretty much blew it over cuz Moon is considered a "good guy."

Now he has TV gigs like nothing ever happened.

Sorry, that's the truth.

[Dan in Florida]

Zombo said:

How'd he do on the wonderlic?

Zombo

I think she did well on the Wonderlick!

[DieHardBrownsFan]

She was Iranian also. Just thought I would throw that in there. Probably a real nice girl he met at Dave's.

[DieHardBrownsFan]

@shepwrite said:

Persian girls are hot, man.

No doubt about it.

[ballpeen]

John McClane said:

Even a guy like OJ simpson? Anyone who watched the trial knows he was guilty as hell. The prosecutors dropped the ball and screwd up that whole case. Some people say that he deserves to get off because he beat the system but I say screw that! He damn near cut the heads off of two innocent people!

So, let's see.....here you say the quoted portion above.

A few posts earlier you say this:

Point is none of us knows what went on behind the curtains and we shouldn't judge.

So, which comment is legit and which one is BS??

[Sez.EJ]

TheJokersWILD said:

I wish I could hit the "thanks" button 10x. A girl I know and care for very much(early 20's) is in a relationship with a married man and it is very painful to watch. We even had talks about it and she knows how I feel about the whole situation but you cannot convince someone that thinks they are in love of anything. I have also been affected by this type of behavior directly. Love is a good thing but it can also be DANGEROUS

JOKERSWILD: Your more than welcome. The post I put up earlier (the one you thank me for) is something I feel VERY strongly about. (understatement of the century). I believe a marriage is much more than just an agreement between 2 people.

[ballpeen]

Who the hell cares!

I do.

In one statement he says not to judge, then a few posts later he is judging.

I just want to know what he knows about being a judge and why the conflicting statements?

I am not saying much more than what is known, and pointing out what isn't known at this point.

At this point, it is being narrowed down, but there are still several scenarios that could become the reality.

[Flugel]

@sez.ej said:

What I find disturbing is that all the articles discuss what a GREAT guy he was. He was caught Driving at b.a.l. of .19 WOW... and with a loaded gun in the car. Great guys don't drive at nearly 2 1/2 times the legal limit with loaded weapon. He has had other drinking issues showing he likely had a problem. People don't look at booze as a drug. But it is in fact the most abused drug in our society. It just happens to be legal. Also "Great Guys "don't have affairs on their wife and family.

It is amazing what we as a society consider GOOD behavior.. I am not saying he was a P.O.S.. "ALL" men are sinners. But it seems if you do some good things in public.. people will ovelook pretty much anything in your private life. I pray for his family who is not only devastated by his death, but by the shock of his betrayal of wife and kids.

I'm learning new stuff by the minute. It HAS to be a double whammy on his spouse.

That said, he was a GOOD community guy. He was an enormous help to hurricane Katrina victims. He supplied people with all kinds of food and shelter and clothing and other resources with alot of other QBs that grew up in area like Favre and the Mannings. It was said on the radio when there was a massive tornado in East Nashville - he was helpign tons of families as he showed up with a chainsaws to get trees out of roads, properties, etc.

I think we need to refrain from judging the guy though. His life just ended from his recent choices so isn't that enough?

- Tom F.