Bell done in Pittsburgh
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I don't quite understand why Browns fans would be mad at him for doing this.
It's not your money, and it weakens the Steelers.
I wish more Steelers players had sat out the whole year.
Because he left more money on the table than most of us will ever see in our lives. It’s an arrogant pooper move. I think that some time ago Pgh decided that his main value was through comp draft picks when someone else signs him. They have saved Bell’s entire 2018 salary, and replaced him with a better younger running back. Lost the best offensive player in the league and are sitting in the second seed. They stepped in Sheet and came out smelling like a rose, unless Conner gets injured and is done for the year.
Because he left more money on the table than most of us will ever see in our lives. It’s an arrogant pooper move.
How, exactly, is leaving money on the table arrogant? He wants the security of a longer contract. It's the OPPOSITE of arrogant!
If you, personally, want a larger salary..... you have to fight for it. Your employer is not going to give anything to you out of the goodness of their heart.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
The moral of the story is Bell is going to set an incredible precedent for players in the coming decade. Most of the time the "hold out" has been a shallow threat by both the organization and player, but this time it ended the way it never has before.
IF Bell gets a Gurley type contract from someone, don't be surprised, at all, if more players take this route. We know Bell essentially was offered $20 million full guaranteed, and declined. IF bell gets say $40 million guaranteed, he still comes out ahead of what the franchise tag would have offered him in career earnings.
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The moral of the story is Bell is going to set an incredible precedent for players in the coming decade. Most of the time the "hold out" has been a shallow threat by both the organization and player, but this time it ended the way it never has before.
IF Bell gets a Gurley type contract from someone, don't be surprised, at all, if more players take this route. We know Bell essentially was offered $20 million full guaranteed, and declined. IF bell gets say $40 million guaranteed, he still comes out ahead of what the franchise tag would have offered him in career earnings.
The moral of the story is Bell is going to set an incredible precedent for players in the coming decade. Most of the time the "hold out" has been a shallow threat by both the organization and player, but this time it ended the way it never has before.
IF Bell gets a Gurley type contract from someone, don't be surprised, at all, if more players take this route. We know Bell essentially was offered $20 million full guaranteed, and declined. IF bell gets say $40 million guaranteed, he still comes out ahead of what the franchise tag would have offered him in career earnings.
I think teams will look at Conner and say.........................................hmmmmmm................maybe not so much the RB as the OL.
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Because he left more money on the table than most of us will ever see in our lives. It’s an arrogant pooper move.
How, exactly, is leaving money on the table arrogant? He wants the security of a longer contract. It's the OPPOSITE of arrogant!
If you, personally, want a larger salary..... you have to fight for it. Your employer is not going to give anything to you out of the goodness of their heart.
How, exactly, is leaving money on the table arrogant? He wants the security of a longer contract. It's the OPPOSITE of arrogant!
If you, personally, want a larger salary..... you have to fight for it. Your employer is not going to give anything to you out of the goodness of their heart.
His arrogance showed when he posted pictures online of Walmart applications. Total D__ move.
Everything else you posted is spot on.
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If Bell is fine by missing out on all that cash then good for him. The NFL does seem to do running backs dirty, They get used and abused for years at the end of the team they gave their best years to tells you to hit the road play for what we say we want t give you. Now that being said once you have a great oline in place the rb is the easiest player to replace. We seen it go on for years, The Ravens did it to J. Lewis the Cowpokes did it to Emmit, the Panthers did it to Willams the list goes on and on and on.
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The moral of the story is Bell is going to set an incredible precedent for players in the coming decade. Most of the time the "hold out" has been a shallow threat by both the organization and player, but this time it ended the way it never has before.
IF Bell gets a Gurley type contract from someone, don't be surprised, at all, if more players take this route. We know Bell essentially was offered $20 million full guaranteed, and declined. IF bell gets say $40 million guaranteed, he still comes out ahead of what the franchise tag would have offered him in career earnings.
I think teams will look at Conner and say.........................................hmmmmmm................maybe not so much the RB as the OL.
I think teams will look at Conner and say.........................................hmmmmmm................maybe not so much the RB as the OL.
For sure man, this could absolutely be what happens as well and Bell gets an incentive laden one year deal, tear his ACL and never be the same again. It's going to be extremely interesting to see how this shakes out.
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If Bell is fine by missing out on all that cash then good for him. The NFL does seem to do running backs dirty, They get used and abused for years at the end of the team they gave their best years to tells you to hit the road play for what we say we want t give you. Now that being said once you have a great oline in place the rb is the easiest player to replace. We seen it go on for years, The Ravens did it to J. Lewis the Cowpokes did it to Emmit, the Panthers did it to Willams the list goes on and on and on.
If Bell is fine by missing out on all that cash then good for him. The NFL does seem to do running backs dirty, They get used and abused for years at the end of the team they gave their best years to tells you to hit the road play for what we say we want t give you. Now that being said once you have a great oline in place the rb is the easiest player to replace. We seen it go on for years, The Ravens did it to J. Lewis the Cowpokes did it to Emmit, the Panthers did it to Willams the list goes on and on and on.
As I see it, Bell is taking a big gamble betting on himself. What if? No team wants to give him a Gurley level contract? First, the way Chubb is playing it won't be the Browns. Second- teams that think they're a "running back away" scratch the Saints and Chiefs. Will Le'veon take a big offer from a bottom feeder team, maybe- if it's all about money. But the bottom feeders can draft a running back come 2019 and pay them 1\10th of what Bell wants. Make that what he thinks he's worth. LOL, the Giants don't need him either...
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I know they play two different positions, but let’s see how this works out for Bell after what Cousins did. Cousins shut his mouth, played his time under the tag with an attitude of “I’m being paid a Shmuckton of money, I’ll get a contract later.” I’m doubting bell has the same happy ever after ending.
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Because he left more money on the table than most of us will ever see in our lives. It’s an arrogant pooper move.
How, exactly, is leaving money on the table arrogant? He wants the security of a longer contract. It's the OPPOSITE of arrogant!
If you, personally, want a larger salary..... you have to fight for it. Your employer is not going to give anything to you out of the goodness of their heart.
How, exactly, is leaving money on the table arrogant? He wants the security of a longer contract. It's the OPPOSITE of arrogant!
If you, personally, want a larger salary..... you have to fight for it. Your employer is not going to give anything to you out of the goodness of their heart.
Well.....a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush. He signs right now....he collects 14 mill...THIS year.
So, instead, he sits out...and completely loses that money.....thinking "I am so good and will be in such demand that I am going to get a contract that will more than make up that 14 million.
Only problem: NO RB in history has ever been given a contract that could make up that 14 mill.....AND...I think it possible that he has been exposed as merely a system RB.....given that his replacement in Pisstown is doing just as well or better than him. Every team in the NFL may think: "If Pittsburg can get the same production out of a 2d or 3rd round rookie QB as they got out of him.....we should be able to do the same.....so why vastly overpay for something we can get much less expensively."
Now, maybe there is that ONE team out there that thinks he is the second coming.....but I am skeptical.
Which teams do all y'all think would be bidders for this guys services....at the kind of money he would want?
Packers? Seahawks? Broncos? Ravens? Anyone? Anyone Beuhler? Beuhler?
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So he doesn’t play and doesn’t practice with a pro team. I doubt that he gets what he’s dreaming of. Most likely will end up a broke idiot
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How, exactly, is leaving money on the table arrogant? He wants the security of a longer contract. It's the OPPOSITE of arrogant!
If you, personally, want a larger salary..... you have to fight for it. Your employer is not going to give anything to you out of the goodness of their heart.
Well.....a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush. He signs right now....he collects 14 mill...THIS year.
So, instead, he sits out...and completely loses that money.....thinking "I am so good and will be in such demand that I am going to get a contract that will more than make up that 14 million.
Only problem: NO RB in history has ever been given a contract that could make up that 14 mill.....AND...I think it possible that he has been exposed as merely a system RB.....given that his replacement in Pisstown is doing just as well or better than him. Every team in the NFL may think: "If Pittsburg can get the same production out of a 2d or 3rd round rookie QB as they got out of him.....we should be able to do the same.....so why vastly overpay for something we can get much less expensively."
Now, maybe there is that ONE team out there that thinks he is the second coming.....but I am skeptical.
Which teams do all y'all think would be bidders for this guys services....at the kind of money he would want?
Packers? Seahawks? Broncos? Ravens? Anyone? Anyone Beuhler? Beuhler?
Well.....a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush. He signs right now....he collects 14 mill...THIS year.
So, instead, he sits out...and completely loses that money.....thinking "I am so good and will be in such demand that I am going to get a contract that will more than make up that 14 million.
Only problem: NO RB in history has ever been given a contract that could make up that 14 mill.....AND...I think it possible that he has been exposed as merely a system RB.....given that his replacement in Pisstown is doing just as well or better than him. Every team in the NFL may think: "If Pittsburg can get the same production out of a 2d or 3rd round rookie QB as they got out of him.....we should be able to do the same.....so why vastly overpay for something we can get much less expensively."
Now, maybe there is that ONE team out there that thinks he is the second coming.....but I am skeptical.
Which teams do all y'all think would be bidders for this guys services....at the kind of money he would want?
Packers? Seahawks? Broncos? Ravens? Anyone? Anyone Beuhler? Beuhler?
Here's another problem Gip. Looking at Spotrac, only the Colts, 49ers, and Jets currently have both the cap room for what Bell thinks he's worth, and the need for a top RB.
If this gambit blows up in his face, couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
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Well.....a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush. He signs right now....he collects 14 mill...THIS year.
So, instead, he sits out...and completely loses that money.....thinking "I am so good and will be in such demand that I am going to get a contract that will more than make up that 14 million.
Only problem: NO RB in history has ever been given a contract that could make up that 14 mill.....AND...I think it possible that he has been exposed as merely a system RB.....given that his replacement in Pisstown is doing just as well or better than him. Every team in the NFL may think: "If Pittsburg can get the same production out of a 2d or 3rd round rookie QB as they got out of him.....we should be able to do the same.....so why vastly overpay for something we can get much less expensively."
Now, maybe there is that ONE team out there that thinks he is the second coming.....but I am skeptical.
Which teams do all y'all think would be bidders for this guys services....at the kind of money he would want?
Packers? Seahawks? Broncos? Ravens? Anyone? Anyone Beuhler? Beuhler?
Here's another problem Gip. Looking at Spotrac, only the Colts, 49ers, and Jets currently have both the cap room for what Bell thinks he's worth, and the need for a top RB.
If this gambit blows up in his face, couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
Here's another problem Gip. Looking at Spotrac, only the Colts, 49ers, and Jets currently have both the cap room for what Bell thinks he's worth, and the need for a top RB.
If this gambit blows up in his face, couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
Of those, the one that I think could be the biggest player would be the Colts. Luck is rounding back into form.....their OL is also beginning to come into shape. Maybe a good RB is a prime need for them.
But then, who truly gives a shite where this egesta ends up.
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Unless the Stools have a better use for the franchise tag, they could conceivably slap it on him and match whatever offer he gets, which very well may be much less than he hopes it will be. I recall that’s how we kept Mack his last couple years here.
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Unless the Stools have a better use for the franchise tag, they could conceivably slap it on him and match whatever offer he gets, which very well may be much less than he hopes it will be. I recall that’s how we kept Mack his last couple years here.
Unless the Stools have a better use for the franchise tag, they could conceivably slap it on him and match whatever offer he gets, which very well may be much less than he hopes it will be. I recall that’s how we kept Mack his last couple years here.
Hootie and the Blowfish had the best advice regarding Bell: Let her go.
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Unless the Stools have a better use for the franchise tag, they could conceivably slap it on him and match whatever offer he gets, which very well may be much less than he hopes it will be. I recall that’s how we kept Mack his last couple years here.
Unless the Stools have a better use for the franchise tag, they could conceivably slap it on him and match whatever offer he gets, which very well may be much less than he hopes it will be. I recall that’s how we kept Mack his last couple years here.
Transition tag, if they put the franchise tag on him it's the qb tag and he gets 25m for the season. The Steelers aren't going to do that, I could however see a transition tag and trade scenario. His agent did a terrible job protecting his image and while he would have helped the team in the short term the steelers won't miss him because of Connors production. I'm just glad to not hear about it for a while.
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The issue is that they kept franchising him instead of giving him the deal his numbers deserve. He's obviously outperformed Gurley, whose deal was the annual of what Bell played at last year plus a lot more guaranteed.
Instead of thinking he's selfish - you could think of him as doing a good deed for the players as a whole.. when the salaries are bigger at the top everyone gets a raise.
This is a move to alter the power dynamics of the NFL. At its core the "franchise tag" is a monopolistic item used simply to reduce the earnings power of top players. Leveon has deserved more salary for quite some time. Remember, a "free market" means that both sides must agree to a proposal. By definition, those of you wanting him to just "shut up and accept" whatever he's lowballed.... are not actually supporting a free market.
If you ever wondered why you aren't getting a raise even though your company is reporting record profits.... this reflexive anti-labor thought is why they get away with it. Executives, of course, give themselves giant raises every year especially in the NFL.. why shouldn't you get your piece of it, especially when you're easily the best employee in your company?
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
I don't quite understand why Browns fans would be mad at him for doing this.
It's not your money, and it weakens the Steelers.
I wish more Steelers players had sat out the whole year.
It by no means weakens the Steelers. Aside from Connor being better, the Steelers have 14.6 mil in cap space for next year.
That along with Shaziers contract being gone, it can only strengthen the Steelers...they need a top notch DB.
Heard that Jalen Ramsey wans out of Jax !
Aside from Connor being better, the Steelers have 14.6 mil in cap space for next year.
Connor's better than Bell? Remains TBD...
Better value right now... no argument there.
It's complicated- he's not under contract, and I think this is right.... per nfl.com.. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000987961/article/leveon-bell-does-not-sign-tag-will-miss-2018-season
The Steelers can either tag him at the QB tender, or use the transition tag- meaning they can match any offer he gets on the open market. Why would they? Connor has proved Bell is imminently expendable, and the Steelers never overpay.
So he's not an RFA.
Makes sense since he was already a UFA and thus the refused tag this season.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
The issue is that they kept franchising him instead of giving him the deal his numbers deserve. He's obviously outperformed Gurley, whose deal was the annual of what Bell played at last year plus a lot more guaranteed.
Instead of thinking he's selfish - you could think of him as doing a good deed for the players as a whole.. when the salaries are bigger at the top everyone gets a raise.
This is a move to alter the power dynamics of the NFL. At its core the "franchise tag" is a monopolistic item used simply to reduce the earnings power of top players. Leveon has deserved more salary for quite some time. Remember, a "free market" means that both sides must agree to a proposal. By definition, those of you wanting him to just "shut up and accept" whatever he's lowballed.... are not actually supporting a free market.
If you ever wondered why you aren't getting a raise even though your company is reporting record profits.... this reflexive anti-labor thought is why they get away with it. Executives, of course, give themselves giant raises every year especially in the NFL.. why shouldn't you get your piece of it, especially when you're easily the best employee in your company?
The issue is that they kept franchising him instead of giving him the deal his numbers deserve. He's obviously outperformed Gurley, whose deal was the annual of what Bell played at last year plus a lot more guaranteed.
Instead of thinking he's selfish - you could think of him as doing a good deed for the players as a whole.. when the salaries are bigger at the top everyone gets a raise.
This is a move to alter the power dynamics of the NFL. At its core the "franchise tag" is a monopolistic item used simply to reduce the earnings power of top players. Leveon has deserved more salary for quite some time. Remember, a "free market" means that both sides must agree to a proposal. By definition, those of you wanting him to just "shut up and accept" whatever he's lowballed.... are not actually supporting a free market.
If you ever wondered why you aren't getting a raise even though your company is reporting record profits.... this reflexive anti-labor thought is why they get away with it. Executives, of course, give themselves giant raises every year especially in the NFL.. why shouldn't you get your piece of it, especially when you're easily the best employee in your company?
Or you could be completely wrong about everything. Or maybe not
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The issue is that they kept franchising him instead of giving him the deal his numbers deserve. He's obviously outperformed Gurley, whose deal was the annual of what Bell played at last year plus a lot more guaranteed.
Instead of thinking he's selfish - you could think of him as doing a good deed for the players as a whole.. when the salaries are bigger at the top everyone gets a raise.
This is a move to alter the power dynamics of the NFL. At its core the "franchise tag" is a monopolistic item used simply to reduce the earnings power of top players. Leveon has deserved more salary for quite some time. Remember, a "free market" means that both sides must agree to a proposal. By definition, those of you wanting him to just "shut up and accept" whatever he's lowballed.... are not actually supporting a free market.
If you ever wondered why you aren't getting a raise even though your company is reporting record profits.... this reflexive anti-labor thought is why they get away with it. Executives, of course, give themselves giant raises every year especially in the NFL.. why shouldn't you get your piece of it, especially when you're easily the best employee in your company?
The issue is that they kept franchising him instead of giving him the deal his numbers deserve. He's obviously outperformed Gurley, whose deal was the annual of what Bell played at last year plus a lot more guaranteed.
Instead of thinking he's selfish - you could think of him as doing a good deed for the players as a whole.. when the salaries are bigger at the top everyone gets a raise.
This is a move to alter the power dynamics of the NFL. At its core the "franchise tag" is a monopolistic item used simply to reduce the earnings power of top players. Leveon has deserved more salary for quite some time. Remember, a "free market" means that both sides must agree to a proposal. By definition, those of you wanting him to just "shut up and accept" whatever he's lowballed.... are not actually supporting a free market.
If you ever wondered why you aren't getting a raise even though your company is reporting record profits.... this reflexive anti-labor thought is why they get away with it. Executives, of course, give themselves giant raises every year especially in the NFL.. why shouldn't you get your piece of it, especially when you're easily the best employee in your company?
Sorry- this is a UNION squabble that the players agreed to- via the guys who were bargaining for them. Don't like the rules? Go on strike next time around.
Don't forget Bell turned down the Steeler's offer (pre Gurley) that would have make him the highest paid RB in the NFL. Sorry if you think that's not enough for poor, poor Le'veon.
Bell is mistakenly trying to elevate the relative value of running backs. They're about 4th on the value scale, and if you want to doubt that assertion- go look at how much super stud Saquon Barkley has helped the Giants to a couple of wins, or the Steelers have hardly missed a beat without Bell.
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