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What if the Uighurs were Christian rather than Muslim?

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  • I'm sorry there were too many big words in there for you, Jeffro.

  • The Obama ice cream and drink had a lot more merit as a thread.

    Which, says a lot about this feeble bs.

  • Forgive me for trying to post an interesting article/take on something of major import happening in the world today.

    Let's talk about ice cream.

  • IIRC, we "arrested" them post-9/11 as suspected terrorists and they were detained at Gitmo ever since.

    Here's a piece on their story: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...oryId=105188932

  • The Serbs were Christian.

    So were the Branch Davidians.

    So?

    WSS

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  • After all the liberal whiney-whiney, back door dissing of Bush and our troops in Afghanistan,

    what the hell were they DOING in Afghanistan and Pakistan?

    Never a bad word about terrorists.

    Just cherry picking to try to find some kind of Bush injustice.

    Really dumb.

  • First of all China is a communist government and they dont like it when religion comes into play, so keep buying the chinese shit at Wal Mart and keep pumping cash into the chinese army.

    Those dirty little Muslim Uighurs live on some of the richest oil fields. Read it here!

    'Climate of fear'

    Severe repression since the launch of a "Strike Hard" campaign in 1996 has included harsher controls on religious activity, restrictions on movement and the denial of passports and the detention of individuals suspected of support for separatists and members of their families.

    This has created a climate of fear and a great deal of resentment towards the authorities and the Han Chinese.

    It is surprising that this resentment has not erupted into public anger and demonstrations before now, but that is a measure of the tightness of control that Beijing has been able to exercise over Xinjiang.

    There are a number of emigre Uighur organisations in Europe and the United States; in most cases they advocate genuine autonomy for the region.

    In the past Beijing has also blamed an Eastern Turkestan Islamic Movement for causing unrest, although there is no evidence that this ever existed in Xinjiang.

    The authorities in Beijing are unable to accept that their own policies in Xinjiang might be the cause of the conflict, and seek to blame outsiders for inciting the violence - as they do in the case of the Dalai Lama and Tibet.

    Even if Uighur emigre organisations wished to provoke unrest, it would be difficult for them to do so, and there are, in any case, sufficient local reasons for unrest without the need for external intervention.

    Michael Dillon is the former director of the Centre for Contemporary Chinese Studies at the University of Durham. He is also the author of a book entitled Xinjiang: China's Muslim Far Northwest.

    Head or Gut?
  • Mr. TM Mr. T

    First of all China is a communist government and they dont like it when religion comes into play, so keep buying the chinese shit at Wal Mart and keep pumping cash into the chinese army.

    Those dirty little Muslim Uighurs live on some of the richest oil fields. Read it here!

    'Climate of fear'

    Severe repression since the launch of a "Strike Hard" campaign in 1996 has included harsher controls on religious activity, restrictions on movement and the denial of passports and the detention of individuals suspected of support for separatists and members of their families.

    This has created a climate of fear and a great deal of resentment towards the authorities and the Han Chinese.

    It is surprising that this resentment has not erupted into public anger and demonstrations before now, but that is a measure of the tightness of control that Beijing has been able to exercise over Xinjiang.

    There are a number of emigre Uighur organisations in Europe and the United States; in most cases they advocate genuine autonomy for the region.

    In the past Beijing has also blamed an Eastern Turkestan Islamic Movement for causing unrest, although there is no evidence that this ever existed in Xinjiang.

    The authorities in Beijing are unable to accept that their own policies in Xinjiang might be the cause of the conflict, and seek to blame outsiders for inciting the violence - as they do in the case of the Dalai Lama and Tibet.

    Even if Uighur emigre organisations wished to provoke unrest, it would be difficult for them to do so, and there are, in any case, sufficient local reasons for unrest without the need for external intervention.

    Michael Dillon is the former director of the Centre for Contemporary Chinese Studies at the University of Durham. He is also the author of a book entitled Xinjiang: China's Muslim Far Northwest.

    @mr.-t said:

    First of all China is a communist government and they dont like it when religion comes into play,

    And that differs from the DNC how?

    WSS

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    ? Mr. TM 2 Replies
  • W Westside Steve

    @mr.-t said:

    First of all China is a communist government and they dont like it when religion comes into play,

    And that differs from the DNC how?

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    And that differs from the DNC how?

    WSS

    Is this really what you've lowered youself to, Steve? McCarthy thinks you throw these words around recklessly and ignorantly...

    Ever notice who the biggest complainers are around here? They're the "older" dudes who simply cannot and will not embrace progress.

    W 1 Reply

  • It's a valid criticism -- of many -- to say that the "war on terror" went quickly off course after 9/11 when anti-Muslim paranoia replaced cold objectivity in the decision-making of the Bush administration, and therefore the country.

    It's also a fair to point out that the Clinton administration supported Muslims in Bosnian and Kosovo, though perhaps the biggest difference between the Clinton policies and the Bush policies was that the people Clinton helped were not Arabs. Ethnically, Bosniaks and Albanians are Caucasian.

    So maybe the real issue here is not religion but ethnicity? Should we be saying the Bush administration has an ethnic bias?

  • mz the pussy - they came to AFGHANISTAN AND PAKISTAN for RELIGIOUS FREEDOM???????????????????????????????

    ROF,LMAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    You paint such a gloomy and warped picture when you post.

    "Gee, I think I'll go to PAKISTAN and AFGHANISTAN so I can

    be free to practice my religion".........

    ROF,LMAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    So, WHAT THE HELL WERE THEY D-O-I-N-G in those countries?

    Gosh, maybe they were trying to convince al quaeda to drop their arms and

    turn the other cheek?

    Maybe just teaching al quaeda to play Monopoly?

  • You're replying to a post Inspecta made, not me, you fcuking moron.

  • And by the way cal, where should they have fled to? Monaco? Maui? Paris?

    They fled to whatever border thy couold reach.

  • ? Guest

    @westside-steve said:

    And that differs from the DNC how?

    WSS

    Is this really what you've lowered youself to, Steve? McCarthy thinks you throw these words around recklessly and ignorantly...

    Ever notice who the biggest complainers are around here? They're the "older" dudes who simply cannot and will not embrace progress.

    mz. said:

    Is this really what you've lowered youself to, Steve? McCarthy thinks you throw these words around recklessly and ignorantly...

    Ever notice who the biggest complainers are around here? They're the "older" dudes who simply cannot and will not embrace progress.

    First of all China is a communist government and they dont like it when religion comes into play,

    OK.

    So it differs from you how?

    Besides the usual lashing out tell me how you like it when "religion comes into play."

    WSS

    www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons
    ? 1 Reply
  • W Westside Steve

    @mr.-t said:

    First of all China is a communist government and they dont like it when religion comes into play,

    And that differs from the DNC how?

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    And that differs from the DNC how?

    WSS

    They are equal =

    look at this group of badass motherF;kers,

    here are the faces of the democrat elite!

    hillary_zombie.jpg

    ted-kennedy-sailor.jpg

    Where is the man bra teddy?

    harry-reid-finger.jpg

    nobama1.jpg

    obamunistwj1.gif

    Head or Gut?
  • W Westside Steve

    mz. said:

    Is this really what you've lowered youself to, Steve? McCarthy thinks you throw these words around recklessly and ignorantly...

    Ever notice who the biggest complainers are around here? They're the "older" dudes who simply cannot and will not embrace progress.

    First of all China is a communist government and they dont like it when religion comes into play,

    OK.

    So it differs from you how?

    Besides the usual lashing out tell me how you like it when "religion comes into play."

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    First of all China is a communist government and they dont like it when religion comes into play,

    OK.

    So it differs from you how?

    Besides the usual lashing out tell me how you like it when "religion comes into play."

    WSS

    I think you're replying to me and someone else at once.

    But how do I differ from a Communist government? Is that what you're asking?

    Well, first off, I'm not a Communist government, or a Communist. And I don't mind religion until it makes its way into politics and into people trying to influence the way I live my life, through religion via politics. You're allowed to believe in whatever you want to believe in, but afford me the same respect.

    @mr.-t said:

    They are equal =

    look at this group of badass motherF;kers,

    You're acting like a child. The next time you're interested in engaging in something serious, PM me and we'll chat. I'm serious.

    W 1 Reply

  • You're replying to a post Inspecta made, not me, you fcuking moron.

    **************************************************

    Well, shithead, I have you know who on ignore, and YOU posted the original post,

    and have NOT answered the question, as usual.

    Besides, there is little difference. Almost none.

    So, you disagree - the Uighurs did NOT flee to avoid religious persecution?

    Don't be so stupid - your own link talks about how they fired an AK-47 some.

    Maybe at American soldiers? THEN they got caught?

    Yeah, THAT kind of "peaceloving, fleeing religious persecution boo hoo a hippo's rear end"

    You are SO naive when it comes to worhipping the progressive idol.

    Let the rest of us know when you want to stop being an arrogant, dimwitted smart ass and

    want to talk seriously about subjects. You know, how you all lamented and whined about?

    Let it be known, that YOU ended the truce. Seriously.

  • Moron was actually a real, clinically-used term back in the day. Meaning it actually described a range of IQ scores. As did imbecile (lower score range than moron) and idiot (lower score range than imbecile, and lowest of them all IIRC). So, in retrospect I wasn't as disrespectful as you might have thought.

    Well, the f-word in front of the formerly-used clinical term does probably penalize the recipient of the score a point or two..........mere peanuts.

    Truces are solidified over time, and every cease fire has a flame-up once in awhile.

  • ? Guest

    @westside-steve said:

    First of all China is a communist government and they dont like it when religion comes into play,

    OK.

    So it differs from you how?

    Besides the usual lashing out tell me how you like it when "religion comes into play."

    WSS

    I think you're replying to me and someone else at once.

    But how do I differ from a Communist government? Is that what you're asking?

    Well, first off, I'm not a Communist government, or a Communist. And I don't mind religion until it makes its way into politics and into people trying to influence the way I live my life, through religion via politics. You're allowed to believe in whatever you want to believe in, but afford me the same respect.

    @mr.-t said:

    They are equal =

    look at this group of badass motherF;kers,

    You're acting like a child. The next time you're interested in engaging in something serious, PM me and we'll chat. I'm serious.

    mz. said:

    I think you're replying to me and someone else at once.

    I didn't adress you at all initially.

    I responded to a statement and you spewed off some Mccarthy stuff.

    But how do I differ from a Communist government? Is that what you're asking?

    No. Is that what I said?

    Well, first off, I'm not a Communist government, or a Communist.

    Good for you. So what? I made the point that the Chicoms do NOT like religion and neither do tghe DNC.

    I'll amend that to "only if it serves their desire for power."

    And yo udon't seem to mind if it effects our lives if it's a leftist change.

    Didn't think it was that opaque.

    😉

    WSS

    www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons

  • if we can assume all muslims are terrosists, then we can equally assume all christians are terrorists as well. they also go around killing people for disagreeing with their beliefs.

    some intolerant mo'fo's around here.

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