Where are our weaknesses now?
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I think that letting up early is not just s weakness, but it is cancer. Forget the score, forget letting Cinci back into a game that should have been a humiliating, emasculating defense, the worst thing it did was to absolutely kill the rabid, vicious, in-your-face-motherfahker attitude and momentum that the players and fans were enjoying.
The entire place was rocking and roaring, and for no other reason than a lack of testicular fortitude, Browns fans went from partying like it was 1999, to worrying if the Bengals were going to get within one score. Sorry man, but this schidt has to stopl It can't be allowed to happen again. You just don't give up the Mo. run, run, dink? WHen you have Baker? For the love of God Williams needs to nip this Kichen poosy in the buf,,, NOW.
As far as weaknesses go, the Browns are now to the point where it isn't weaknesses the FO will be concerned about, instead it will be replacing decent, solid players with more playmakers. There just are not a lot of glaring weaknesses on Williams team. In my view I think we need the following.....
A big monster interior D lineman
A pancake Offensife tackle who can draw double teams.
A 6' 5" up-in-the-sky WR
Another aggressive DB
Jesus, Joseph and Mary it was nice to watch the Browns rule the midway for a second time in a row.
Incidentally, Garrett has won his way into my good graces. I always liked him, but that appeal to Jerry Jones just rubbed me the wrong way. At to the guy who said, we don't need a QB, Good Lord, do we even realize what we have back there? WOW, is all I can say.
Yeah luckily AJ wasn't healthy. Can't afford to play conservative in the 2nd half when you got a big lead. That's what seperates the pretenders from the contenders (PITT, KC, NO, LAR). They would keep scoring. It would have been nice to see like 42-14 and had Tyrod in and continue to play aggressive. Landry probably would have gotten more catches.
Yeah luckily AJ wasn't healthy. Can't afford to play conservative in the 2nd half when you got a big lead. That's what seperates the pretenders from the contenders (PITT, KC, NO, LAR). They would keep scoring. It would have been nice to see like 42-14 and had Tyrod in and continue to play aggressive. Landry probably would have gotten more catches.
CORRECTAMUNDO. What the Browns did in the second half was, IMHO despicable and cowardly. Why would you curtail your offense? What kind of a jackoff does that? What manner of coach sees his offense shredding a hapless opponent and THEN changes what they are doing to become predictable, and boring? This is so fauhked up, I can't believe someone wasn't fired over it.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
Yeah luckily AJ wasn't healthy. Can't afford to play conservative in the 2nd half when you got a big lead. That's what seperates the pretenders from the contenders (PITT, KC, NO, LAR). They would keep scoring. It would have been nice to see like 42-14 and had Tyrod in and continue to play aggressive. Landry probably would have gotten more catches.
CORRECTAMUNDO. What the Browns did in the second half was, IMHO despicable and cowardly. Why would you curtail your offense? What kind of a jackoff does that? What manner of coach sees his offense shredding a hapless opponent and THEN changes what they are doing to become predictable, and boring? This is so fauhked up, I can't believe someone wasn't fired over it.
CORRECTAMUNDO. What the Browns did in the second half was, IMHO despicable and cowardly. Why would you curtail your offense? What kind of a jackoff does that? What manner of coach sees his offense shredding a hapless opponent and THEN changes what they are doing to become predictable, and boring? This is so fauhked up, I can't believe someone wasn't fired over it.
In NFL terms, isn’t a 15 point win considered decisive win? Most games are decided by less than 7. We win by 15 and it’s Waaaaaaaaaa waaaaaa waaaa. It wasn’t enough.
My opinion of ghoofie has changed.
Candyass
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Yeah luckily AJ wasn't healthy. Can't afford to play conservative in the 2nd half when you got a big lead. That's what seperates the pretenders from the contenders (PITT, KC, NO, LAR). They would keep scoring. It would have been nice to see like 42-14 and had Tyrod in and continue to play aggressive. Landry probably would have gotten more catches.
CORRECTAMUNDO. What the Browns did in the second half was, IMHO despicable and cowardly. Why would you curtail your offense? What kind of a jackoff does that? What manner of coach sees his offense shredding a hapless opponent and THEN changes what they are doing to become predictable, and boring? This is so fauhked up, I can't believe someone wasn't fired over it.
CORRECTAMUNDO. What the Browns did in the second half was, IMHO despicable and cowardly. Why would you curtail your offense? What kind of a jackoff does that? What manner of coach sees his offense shredding a hapless opponent and THEN changes what they are doing to become predictable, and boring? This is so fauhked up, I can't believe someone wasn't fired over it.
I hear ya, Ghoolie, I really do, and I wasn't pleased at first either with our second half offense, BUT when I re-watched the game, I found I wasn't as upset with our playcalling as I was upset with our DEFENSE.
Why? Simple....they didn't get us the ball back! Sure, we had that one relatively conservative 3 and out where we went run, run, pass, punt. However, you're playing against the worst rush defense in the league, right? So it's not an AWFUL idea to try and run it. Our defense did NOT do their jobs in the second half, and a lot had to do with PENALTIES. Stupid, game-changing penalties. Late hits, unnecessary roughness, offsides....ALL on crucial downs! Even on the game-clinching 4th down incompletion, Myles Garrett was probably offsides. It was 4th and 4, and that would have given Bengals 1st and goal. Now, obviously it wasn't called, but still...it's an example of how our defense wasn't disciplined in the 2nd half.
I'm not saying I completely disagree with you, but I wanted to point out that our defense really didn't give us too many possessions in the 2nd half. I mean, without that high snap which lead to a TD, that game has a different feel. Freddie Kitchens is new, and let's face it, playing with a LEAD is new. We're figuring things out, and we still won by 15! On the road, in a division game.
Celebrate with me, brotha man!
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I would have said Offensive line, but looks like the coaching change took care of that issue. Instead of running overly complex gimmick plays, they are letting Baker make decisions and is picking apart opposing defensive secondaries. So a game changing LB? More depth at O and D line.. Wide receivers for sure..
I would have said Offensive line, but looks like the coaching change took care of that issue. Instead of running overly complex gimmick plays, they are letting Baker make decisions and is picking apart opposing defensive secondaries. So a game changing LB? More depth at O and D line.. Wide receivers for sure..
2Gameplanning to your players' strengths instead of trying to impose your offensive and defensive philosophy without regard to what your players are capable of.
What a novel concept.
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We need 2 OT's -- Hubbard is simply a bust at that price, and the LT's haven't really worked out, unless the goal was an extended audition for next season's swing tackle roster spot.
If our first 4 picks are 2 DL [chad thomas is fodder at this point] and 2 OT's I would consider the draft a success..
We need 2 OT's -- Hubbard is simply a bust at that price, and the LT's haven't really worked out, unless the goal was an extended audition for next season's swing tackle roster spot.
If our first 4 picks are 2 DL [chad thomas is fodder at this point] and 2 OT's I would consider the draft a success..
I know what you mean. Zero sacks given up over two games. And both big wins. I know you don’t know decent line play when you see it. Guess what. You’re seeing it. No sacks, zero, nada, none. It’s called playing as a team.
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Run defense needs work..
Add another DT to compliment LarryOur LBers could use some more depth
Oline could use more depth. Same with the secondary.
Add another playmaker at WR, and i think we will be in good shape
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Punt coverage is the greatest weakness.
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Schobert is going to be a mainstay at MLB if he stays healthy, but the OLB positions are shaky.
Collins has been a ghost for so much of this season, especially considering how much he makes, and Kirksey was a below average. (I've always liked Kirksey) The front seven in general will probably be a big priority for Dorsey.
Schobert got to go. He gets blocked and gives up big runs. He isn't good in coverage. He isn't a vocal leader on the field which the D needs from its MLB. He's what Worrilow was for ATL before they drafted Deion Jones. Gets a lot of tackles but can't cover.
I'd love to see a solid DT alongside Ojunobi. Pressure these QBs in interior and edges rushing all four DL instead of relying on blitzing and get killed running zone.
Schobert got to go. He gets blocked and gives up big runs. He isn't good in coverage. He isn't a vocal leader on the field which the D needs from its MLB. He's what Worrilow was for ATL before they drafted Deion Jones. Gets a lot of tackles but can't cover.
What are you smoking?
Joe Schobert is the best linebacker on the team and is bound to make his second straight pro bowl. And excels in pass coverage. He’s also the “quarterback” of the defense.
Idk where or what your comment was based from.
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Schobert is going to be a mainstay at MLB if he stays healthy, but the OLB positions are shaky.
Collins has been a ghost for so much of this season, especially considering how much he makes, and Kirksey was a below average. (I've always liked Kirksey) The front seven in general will probably be a big priority for Dorsey.
Schobert got to go. He gets blocked and gives up big runs. He isn't good in coverage. He isn't a vocal leader on the field which the D needs from its MLB. He's what Worrilow was for ATL before they drafted Deion Jones. Gets a lot of tackles but can't cover.
I'd love to see a solid DT alongside Ojunobi. Pressure these QBs in interior and edges rushing all four DL instead of relying on blitzing and get killed running zone.
Schobert got to go. He gets blocked and gives up big runs. He isn't good in coverage. He isn't a vocal leader on the field which the D needs from its MLB. He's what Worrilow was for ATL before they drafted Deion Jones. Gets a lot of tackles but can't cover.
I'd love to see a solid DT alongside Ojunobi. Pressure these QBs in interior and edges rushing all four DL instead of relying on blitzing and get killed running zone.
I think you have your head squarely up your ass....because you surely are not watching the same game as the rest of us. Schobert is why the Browns run defense is playing so much better than it did when he was out. I don't know if he is good in coverage....but I don't think he is any worse than any of our other LBs. And vocal leader? I think that is exactly what he is. Maybe his is not wild crazy stupid asshole, but he is a leader. What do you want of him....to do some wild gyrating dance all the time ala Ray Lewis? You can be a leader without acting like your hair is on fire. Teddy Roosevelt said "talk softly and carry a big stick". Schobert has a big stick......because with him out we just had twigs going on there.
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Run defense needs work..
Add another DT to compliment LarryOur LBers could use some more depth
Oline could use more depth. Same with the secondary.
Add another playmaker at WR, and i think we will be in good shape
Run defense needs work..
Add another DT to compliment LarryOur LBers could use some more depth
Oline could use more depth. Same with the secondary.
Add another playmaker at WR, and i think we will be in good shape
I agree with all this....but the dude that said that Schobert must go does not seem to know a cabbage fart about football.
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Give me playmakers or give me depth!
Give me playmakers or give me depth!
Thanks, Patrick.
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CORRECTAMUNDO. What the Browns did in the second half was, IMHO despicable and cowardly. Why would you curtail your offense? What kind of a jackoff does that? What manner of coach sees his offense shredding a hapless opponent and THEN changes what they are doing to become predictable, and boring? This is so fauhked up, I can't believe someone wasn't fired over it.
I hear ya, Ghoolie, I really do, and I wasn't pleased at first either with our second half offense, BUT when I re-watched the game, I found I wasn't as upset with our playcalling as I was upset with our DEFENSE.
Why? Simple....they didn't get us the ball back! Sure, we had that one relatively conservative 3 and out where we went run, run, pass, punt. However, you're playing against the worst rush defense in the league, right? So it's not an AWFUL idea to try and run it. Our defense did NOT do their jobs in the second half, and a lot had to do with PENALTIES. Stupid, game-changing penalties. Late hits, unnecessary roughness, offsides....ALL on crucial downs! Even on the game-clinching 4th down incompletion, Myles Garrett was probably offsides. It was 4th and 4, and that would have given Bengals 1st and goal. Now, obviously it wasn't called, but still...it's an example of how our defense wasn't disciplined in the 2nd half.
I'm not saying I completely disagree with you, but I wanted to point out that our defense really didn't give us too many possessions in the 2nd half. I mean, without that high snap which lead to a TD, that game has a different feel. Freddie Kitchens is new, and let's face it, playing with a LEAD is new. We're figuring things out, and we still won by 15! On the road, in a division game.
Celebrate with me, brotha man!
I hear ya, Ghoolie, I really do, and I wasn't pleased at first either with our second half offense, BUT when I re-watched the game, I found I wasn't as upset with our playcalling as I was upset with our DEFENSE.
Why? Simple....they didn't get us the ball back! Sure, we had that one relatively conservative 3 and out where we went run, run, pass, punt. However, you're playing against the worst rush defense in the league, right? So it's not an AWFUL idea to try and run it. Our defense did NOT do their jobs in the second half, and a lot had to do with PENALTIES. Stupid, game-changing penalties. Late hits, unnecessary roughness, offsides....ALL on crucial downs! Even on the game-clinching 4th down incompletion, Myles Garrett was probably offsides. It was 4th and 4, and that would have given Bengals 1st and goal. Now, obviously it wasn't called, but still...it's an example of how our defense wasn't disciplined in the 2nd half.
I'm not saying I completely disagree with you, but I wanted to point out that our defense really didn't give us too many possessions in the 2nd half. I mean, without that high snap which lead to a TD, that game has a different feel. Freddie Kitchens is new, and let's face it, playing with a LEAD is new. We're figuring things out, and we still won by 15! On the road, in a division game.
Celebrate with me, brotha man!
When you have scored 35 points PASSING........why would you need the run?
What reason is there for switching a game.plan that put 35 points up in less.than 3 quarters?
Now, if the plan GOING IN was to run because the Bengas suck at stopping the run? Sure that makes sense.....BUT......who the Fauhck looks at their day, puts 35 points up.in less.than 3 quarters and says to themselves......."We need to make an adjustment"?
This was.the stupidest coaching imaginable. You don't switch sometjing that is not just working, but is working flawlessly. Total.coacjong failure Totally disgusting.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
CORRECTAMUNDO. What the Browns did in the second half was, IMHO despicable and cowardly. Why would you curtail your offense? What kind of a jackoff does that? What manner of coach sees his offense shredding a hapless opponent and THEN changes what they are doing to become predictable, and boring? This is so fauhked up, I can't believe someone wasn't fired over it.
In NFL terms, isn’t a 15 point win considered decisive win? Most games are decided by less than 7. We win by 15 and it’s Waaaaaaaaaa waaaaaa waaaa. It wasn’t enough.
My opinion of ghoofie has changed.
Candyass
In NFL terms, isn’t a 15 point win considered decisive win? Most games are decided by less than 7. We win by 15 and it’s Waaaaaaaaaa waaaaaa waaaa. It wasn’t enough.
My opinion of ghoofie has changed.
Candyass
Well, the so called "experts" are agreeing with me, and even the Cleveland media, and Doug Dieken is calling out the Browns for letting up on the gas.
The win was great......HOWEVER.....the Browns coaching gave the Bengals ppportunities to get back in the game. Had AJ green played, that 35 points would not have been enough.
The Browns lacked killer instinct and if they play that qay late against the better teams they will lose games that they should have won.
Not a good second half. Not at all.
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In NFL terms, isn’t a 15 point win considered decisive win? Most games are decided by less than 7. We win by 15 and it’s Waaaaaaaaaa waaaaaa waaaa. It wasn’t enough.
My opinion of ghoofie has changed.
Candyass
Well, the so called "experts" are agreeing with me, and even the Cleveland media, and Doug Dieken is calling out the Browns for letting up on the gas.
The win was great......HOWEVER.....the Browns coaching gave the Bengals ppportunities to get back in the game. Had AJ green played, that 35 points would not have been enough.
The Browns lacked killer instinct and if they play that qay late against the better teams they will lose games that they should have won.
Not a good second half. Not at all.
Well, the so called "experts" are agreeing with me, and even the Cleveland media, and Doug Dieken is calling out the Browns for letting up on the gas.
The win was great......HOWEVER.....the Browns coaching gave the Bengals ppportunities to get back in the game. Had AJ green played, that 35 points would not have been enough.
The Browns lacked killer instinct and if they play that qay late against the better teams they will lose games that they should have won.
Not a good second half. Not at all.
They were conservative in the 2nd half. They should of went full boar and really put the game away..
BUT..
They won, and they didn't lose in the fashion that were used to seeing them lose, which was refeshing.
They closed it out,
but I wouldn't have that same kind of mindset if we go up big on a better opponent.
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Run defense needs work..
Add another DT to compliment LarryOur LBers could use some more depth
Oline could use more depth. Same with the secondary.
Add another playmaker at WR, and i think we will be in good shape
I agree with all this....but the dude that said that Schobert must go does not seem to know a cabbage fart about football.
I agree with all this....but the dude that said that Schobert must go does not seem to know a cabbage fart about football.
I like Schobert..
Collins is replaceable though.
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I hear ya, Ghoolie, I really do, and I wasn't pleased at first either with our second half offense, BUT when I re-watched the game, I found I wasn't as upset with our playcalling as I was upset with our DEFENSE.
Why? Simple....they didn't get us the ball back! Sure, we had that one relatively conservative 3 and out where we went run, run, pass, punt. However, you're playing against the worst rush defense in the league, right? So it's not an AWFUL idea to try and run it. Our defense did NOT do their jobs in the second half, and a lot had to do with PENALTIES. Stupid, game-changing penalties. Late hits, unnecessary roughness, offsides....ALL on crucial downs! Even on the game-clinching 4th down incompletion, Myles Garrett was probably offsides. It was 4th and 4, and that would have given Bengals 1st and goal. Now, obviously it wasn't called, but still...it's an example of how our defense wasn't disciplined in the 2nd half.
I'm not saying I completely disagree with you, but I wanted to point out that our defense really didn't give us too many possessions in the 2nd half. I mean, without that high snap which lead to a TD, that game has a different feel. Freddie Kitchens is new, and let's face it, playing with a LEAD is new. We're figuring things out, and we still won by 15! On the road, in a division game.
Celebrate with me, brotha man!
When you have scored 35 points PASSING........why would you need the run?
What reason is there for switching a game.plan that put 35 points up in less.than 3 quarters?
Now, if the plan GOING IN was to run because the Bengas suck at stopping the run? Sure that makes sense.....BUT......who the Fauhck looks at their day, puts 35 points up.in less.than 3 quarters and says to themselves......."We need to make an adjustment"?
This was.the stupidest coaching imaginable. You don't switch sometjing that is not just working, but is working flawlessly. Total.coacjong failure Totally disgusting.
When you have scored 35 points PASSING........why would you need the run?
What reason is there for switching a game.plan that put 35 points up in less.than 3 quarters?
Now, if the plan GOING IN was to run because the Bengas suck at stopping the run? Sure that makes sense.....BUT......who the Fauhck looks at their day, puts 35 points up.in less.than 3 quarters and says to themselves......."We need to make an adjustment"?
This was.the stupidest coaching imaginable. You don't switch sometjing that is not just working, but is working flawlessly. Total.coacjong failure Totally disgusting.
I agree with you to SOME extent, but it's also important to remember that we didn't exactly get that many possessions in the second half, did we? I don't have the numbers on me, but I don't recall too many times when we had the ball. I realize our first possession in the second half wasn't good at all, but I don't have an issue with the run, run, pass. Would I have preferred a play-action on 1st down? Yeah, I would have, but my problem in the second half isn't with our offense or the playcalling.
My problem is that the defense didn't get the Bengals off the field, and at least TWICE it was because of bone-headed penalties. Our offensive players couldn't get into a rhythm because they were hardly out there. I don't expect defensive shutouts, but I do NOT like huge mistakes, and we had plenty. For one, Myles Garrett misses a sack on 2nd and 20 when he had Dalton's jersey, but couldn't finish the play. Dalton ran for 20 yards, and the Bengals would score a TD before halftime. Granted, Myles was being held like crazy on that play, but he's GOT to bring Dalton down there. Also, Denzel Ward had a costly penalty that I believe gave the Bengals a first down after a failed 3rd down attempt. The penalty was just so dumb and out of character for Ward. Then the worst one, Genard Avery, wiped away an interception and gave the Bengals a first down, which I believe lead them to a TD.
Great win, and we've got some things to work on for next week!
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Schobert got to go. He gets blocked and gives up big runs. He isn't good in coverage. He isn't a vocal leader on the field which the D needs from its MLB. He's what Worrilow was for ATL before they drafted Deion Jones. Gets a lot of tackles but can't cover.
I'd love to see a solid DT alongside Ojunobi. Pressure these QBs in interior and edges rushing all four DL instead of relying on blitzing and get killed running zone.
I think you have your head squarely up your ass....because you surely are not watching the same game as the rest of us. Schobert is why the Browns run defense is playing so much better than it did when he was out. I don't know if he is good in coverage....but I don't think he is any worse than any of our other LBs. And vocal leader? I think that is exactly what he is. Maybe his is not wild crazy stupid asshole, but he is a leader. What do you want of him....to do some wild gyrating dance all the time ala Ray Lewis? You can be a leader without acting like your hair is on fire. Teddy Roosevelt said "talk softly and carry a big stick". Schobert has a big stick......because with him out we just had twigs going on there.
I think you have your head squarely up your ass....because you surely are not watching the same game as the rest of us. Schobert is why the Browns run defense is playing so much better than it did when he was out. I don't know if he is good in coverage....but I don't think he is any worse than any of our other LBs. And vocal leader? I think that is exactly what he is. Maybe his is not wild crazy stupid asshole, but he is a leader. What do you want of him....to do some wild gyrating dance all the time ala Ray Lewis? You can be a leader without acting like your hair is on fire. Teddy Roosevelt said "talk softly and carry a big stick". Schobert has a big stick......because with him out we just had twigs going on there.
Yes, he's an upgrade to what CLE had while he's out but he's average. Some CLE fans overrate him. Kuechly isn't like Ray Lewis but he has a presence. He is literally a quarterback on defense. Sideline to sideline. Deion Jones - he isn't Ray Lewis either but he sets the tone with his plays and you have to account for him. Schobert, this guy making tackles down the field, getting escorted by offensive linemen while RBs gash CLE for big yardage. Seen it in several games. He isn't trash but let's not act like he's special.
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Schobert got to go. He gets blocked and gives up big runs. He isn't good in coverage. He isn't a vocal leader on the field which the D needs from its MLB. He's what Worrilow was for ATL before they drafted Deion Jones. Gets a lot of tackles but can't cover.
What are you smoking?
Joe Schobert is the best linebacker on the team and is bound to make his second straight pro bowl. And excels in pass coverage. He’s also the “quarterback” of the defense.
Idk where or what your comment was based from.
What are you smoking?
Joe Schobert is the best linebacker on the team and is bound to make his second straight pro bowl. And excels in pass coverage. He’s also the “quarterback” of the defense.
Idk where or what your comment was based from.
The LB core sucks. Avery had potential. Others can go. Pro Bowl isn't anything special. Get All-Pro. Players drops out of Pro Bowls all the time and not just because they're in the SB. They got to fill the rosters somehow. All-Pro different criteria. Writers vote, not fans. Fans vote Pro Bowl and can vote multiple times and yeah his tackle numbers look impressive but they should be high when you making tackles down the field and jumping on piles instead of getting them in the backfield. Run D numbers have went down compared to last year. He sucks at pass coverage. I've watched a lot of him.
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