Browns at Texans gameday thread

Orion

Unfortunately, our offense sputtered away the first half and did not help the 31st ranked defense by turning the ball over.

When Houston had the ball...they kept it 'til more points got put on the scoreboard.

It was pretty much the day that we 'feared' it might be. Still, we made it to December with a meaningful game. That's substantial improvement....but a lot of changes are a commin'.

Clevfan4life

@browns52 said:

again, i think i mentioned this to you a while ago and you agreed......we are one of the most penalized teams in the nfl...we always are it seems...until there is some fucking discipline, we ain't going to win shit.....even with baker at qb.....i see no change with williams as the hc....i hope we go after the oklahoma coach....maybe he can do something about it....

Sigh......yeah, cant argue

hoorta

@browns52 said:

season over for 2018.....need to get better....need more impact players...get rid of fucking jarvis landry right away.....baker will get better...looks like another wait til next yr season...as always....but i think the future looks good...oh and hire the coach from oklahoma....please.....

Yeah, let's get rid of Landry 6 catches for 103 yards. He sucks. Chubb had 31 yards rushing today, might as well dump him too. Fire Williams, fire everybody. Buy a clue dude, we flat got outclassed. So get real.

@tiamat63 said:

Yeah, because that's what I'm saying lol

Appreciate you admitting I'm right though.

I'm sure you were kidding me.

@browns52 said:

again, i think i mentioned this to you a while ago and you agreed......we are one of the most penalized teams in the nfl...we always are it seems...until there is some fucking discipline, we ain't going to win shit.....even with baker at qb.....i see no change with williams as the hc....i hope we go after the oklahoma coach....maybe he can do something about it....

Sure, Lincoln Riley is the magic elixir that's going to turn us into a Super Bowl team. The penalties happened because we were playing a team with better talent. Ward goes out with a concussion, and Carrie gets called for holding two plays in a row. And Hopkins gets away with offensive pass interference on about every play.

DieHardBrownsFan

In my opinion, we have played 3 really great teams this year. The LA (San Diego) Chargers, the Kansas City Chiefs, and the Houston Texans. We will improve.

hoorta

@clevfan4life said:

Sigh......yeah, cant argue

Sorry, it's great when we're winning, lose a game to a playoff level team playing at home, and all of a sudden, it's fire everybody.

hoorta

@diehardbrownsfan said:

In my opinion, we have played 3 really great teams this year. The LA (San Diego) Chargers, the Kansas City Chiefs, and the Houston Texans. We will improve.

I swear, some guys aren't going to be happy unless we're beating everyone by 30.

LondonBrown

@hoorta said:

I swear, some guys aren't going to be happy unless we're beating everyone by 30.

Yeah and same goes for the player evaluations, I guess social media is what it is, quick and OTT reactions

tiamat63

@hoorta said:

Yeah, let's get rid of Landry 6 catches for 103 yards. He sucks. Chubb had 31 yards rushing today, might as well dump him too. Fire Williams, fire everybody. Buy a clue dude, we flat got outclassed. So get real.

I'm sure you were kidding me.

Sure, Lincoln Riley is the magic elixir that's going to turn us into a Super Bowl team. The penalties happened because we were playing a team with better talent. Ward goes out with a concussion, and Carrie gets called for holding two plays in a row. And Hopkins gets away with offensive pass interference on about every play.

I have zero idea why you quoted me...?

jiggins7919

@clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

Yea and lots of holding. Houston is really good up front. That Callaway touchdown with 10 minutes left would have made it interesting. But Robinson got beat in 1.5 seconds and held.

He did, but it was pretty weak. It was VERY weak actually. The defender didn't even do the "Hey ref, he's holding!" routine. They could have easily let it go, and the reason I'm pissed about it is because I saw a few that were much worse on the other team, and I don't remember it being called.

Clevfan4life

@hoorta said:

Sorry, it's great when we're winning, lose a game to a playoff level team playing at home, and all of a sudden, it's fire everybody.

I was agreeing with the assessment on penalties, not that anybody should be firrd....well at least not yet. Its hard to argue tho that the discipline problems still persist even tho we fired 2/3rd of the coaches

TexasAg1969

@clevfan4life said:

This is on kitchens , the texans are obviously jumping certain routes and kitchens needs to stop running those

The fact of the matter is that Kitchens did not try to throw into well covered WRs like Baker was doing in the first half. That was on Baker. He was trying to hit it through windows that were not even there.

TexasAg1969

Baker understands it and that counts a lot going on from here.

hoorta

@tiamat63 said:

I have zero idea why you quoted me...?

Sounded like you were over the top ragging on Baker for a bad rookie game.

tiamat63

@hoorta said:

Sounded like you were over the top ragging on Baker for a bad rookie game.

I fail to see anything about what I said as inacurate or over the top.

hoorta

@tiamat63 said:

I fail to see anything about what I said as inacurate or over the top.

Would you rather go back to Kizer or Kessler? That's what it came across as.

Dutch Oven

I'm hoping we are on the verge of a Kosar-era run of contention.

This team now reminds me of the Browns in the second half of 1984 and the 1985 season. They've moved on from the nightmare of seasons past (the '84 team started 1-7 resulting in Sam Rutigliano getting fired) and can play with almost everyone, but are still thin in spots, which gets exposed against top-tier teams. The Browns kept adding talent and in 1986 they became a Super Bowl contender.

If I'm right, we'll still have days like this coming up, but better days are on the horizon, gentlemen.

tiamat63

@hoorta said:

Would you rather go back to Kizer or Kessler? That's what it came across as.

Not at all.

Perhaps it is you being overdramatic about what I said.

Clevfan4life

@texasag1969 said:

The fact of the matter is that Kitchens did not try to throw into well covered WRs like Baker was doing in the first half. That was on Baker. He was trying to hit it through windows that were not even there.

While it is true that a seasoned qb wouldnt have thrown some of those passes, its also invumbent on an OC to recognize his rookie qb is getting gamed.

TexasAg1969

@clevfan4life said:

While it is true that a seasoned qb wouldnt have thrown some of those passes, its also invumbent on an OC to recognize his rookie qb is getting gamed.

Baker took responsibility for not getting the ball out earlier on those throws and says they didn't really have to change the game plan, that he just needed to execute it better which he did in the second half. He took full responsibility for not getting the passes intercepted out on time as is called for.

Clevfan4life

@texasag1969 said:

Baker took responsibility for not getting the ball out earlier on those throws and says they didn't really have to change the game plan, that he just needed to execute it better which he did in the second half. He took full responsibility for not getting the passes intercepted out on time as is called for.

I thought the issue was he was having to get the ball out faster because of the pressure, even the announcers remarjed on that. Th3 gameplan for the texans secondary was obviously jumping specific routes knowing that baker has to throw early. The 3rd interception tho, that was "all" on baker, he tried to force that one into the endzone.