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  • Again from Terry.......

    WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

    The Browns have five more games left.

    That’s five more games not only for Williams and Kitchens to prove they should remain in their current jobs in 2019, but for the front office to evaluate them up close.

    Dorsey had the same opportunity a year ago when he was hired with four games left in the 2017 season. He knew ownership required him to retain Jackson as coach.

    But he could change the roster. He watched the practice habits of the players, and how they handled the stress of losing, playing in cold weather and their physical condition.

    That’s the advantage of being there every day.

    Now Dorsey is there every day with Williams and Kitchens.

    The Browns play this week in Houston. Deshaun Watson and the Texans have won eight in a row. The Browns are an underdog and face a tremendous challenge.

    It will be another test for the team and the next coaching staff.

    That’s the blessing of having five more games to evaluate everyone......

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    This looks like an extremely interesting time for the fans and valuable time for the staff something I personally do not remember for a long time.

    GO BROWNS, eval time!

    @mjp28 said:

    This looks like an extremely interesting time for the fans and valuable time for the staff something I personally do not remember for a long time.

    GO BROWNS, eval time!

    Exactly, and that's where a lot of the fun come from. The final evaluation period provided by these games. And to be honest, we don't have to WIN tomorrow for this to be another successful interview, much as the Chiefs' game was in some ways successful. We were devastated by defensive injuries within 5 minutes of the game starting, yet we hung tough for a little while. I would've loved to play them at full strength. Anyway, if we play well and challenge the hottest team in the league, but don't pull out a win....it can still be victory for our coaches and players. 

    Hey, the Saints won ten in a row and lost to Dallas. Foreshadowing? ?

  • @westside-steve said:

    Pre game scribbles

    https://www.cleveland.com//browns/2018/12/cleveland-browns-pregame-scribbles-watson-or-garrett-mayfield-or-watson-the-impact-terry-pluto.html

    Unfortunately, ole Terry is probably right on the money with his prediction. Houston winning 8 in a row AND being at home doesn't sound fun at all, but then again, 8 games in a row is absurd, and perhaps it's their time to trip up. I REALLY don't see it happening, but hey, they aren't invincible. The strange vision I have of us winning involves a defensive touchdown and *gasp* a huge special teams play. 

  • As far as Watson or Mayfield? Consider the fact that Watson, no matter how good he looks for a much better team in Texas in 2017, would have gotten his ass handed to him in Cleveland under Hue Jackson.

    I love Mayfield. I'm glad we have him. I realize during the draft I thought the safe route was to go with Darnold or more especially Rosen, but I still really like Mayfield. I'm glad Dorsey didn't listen to me and tour.

    WSS

  • The Terry "ah-ha" moment on recent drafts......

    19. It’s get a bit complicated. By not picking Watson at No. 1 or 12 in 2017, the Browns were able to add these players: Garrett, Ward, Peppers and Mayfield. Granted, it’s a bit of stretch to view it that way. But Garrett, Ward and Mayfield are impact players who can help the Browns for years. Peppers has a chance to be a solid starter.

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    In the long run Cleveland might come out better on the total team rebuilding process -plus- rookie Kizer + Hue was a disaster.

    Watson is a great young QB with some good tools around him.

  • Oh afterall......

    20. PREDICTION: Houston 32, Browns 27: It’ll be a fun game to watch, but the Texans are just too good at home.

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    Yeah without some ill timed penalties and turnovers it might have been closer.....but still right now HOU > CLE in 2018.

  • Oh afterall......

    20. PREDICTION: Houston 32, Browns 27: It’ll be a fun game to watch, but the Texans are just too good at home.

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    Yeah without some ill timed penalties and turnovers it might have been closer.....but still right now HOU > CLE in 2018.

    @mjp28 said:

    Oh afterall......

    20. PREDICTION: Houston 32, Browns 27: It’ll be a fun game to watch, but the Texans are just too good at home.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Yeah without some ill timed penalties and turnovers it might have been closer.....but still right now HOU > CLE in 2018.

    And that’s really the bottom line.  Yes, I’m pretty ticked that we couldn’t make it any closer.  The almost 80 yard touchdown being called back, and then fumbling two plays later on another long pass REALLY kicked me in the gut.  I think if we score on one of those plays it really makes me feel a little better.  Even though the game wasn’t “close”, if we lost like 29-20 it would’ve made me feel slightly better, and it also would’ve been another TD for Baker’s confidence and stats.  I know, I know, that sounds ridiculous, but whatever. 

    I hate to beat a dead horse, but that pick before halftime is really burning me up.  On one hand, I love the aggressive nature of Baker, and throwing a jump ball to Njoku is usually a good idea, but the throw was simply awful, and it wasn’t even close to him.  But like I said before, go back and watch that INT.  Chubb (or Duke, don’t remember) is standing in the middle of the field, jumping up and down and SCREAMING for the ball.  You don’t even see a Texans’ defender in the entire screen, and lord knows how far he would’ve run with the ball.  The worst part about that play is Baker did the exact thing against the Chargers (I think) before halftime, and I would like for him to learn that lesson without making the error a second time.  Even a FG before half would’ve been nice because we had a nice TD drive to start the 3rd quarter. 

    Baker will learn, I have no doubt about that.  I absolutely LOVE how he seemed to shrug off the atrocious first half, and although it's not fun to watch a game where we get blown out, go back and watch some of the throws Baker made yesterday (especially in second half).  I mean, some of those throws were next level stuff.  How about that TD to Higgins?  That ball he squeezed into Devalve on the sideline?  There were so many pinpoint balls DOWN THE FIELD that were stunning.  This kid has so much potential, he really does.  

  • @mjp28 said:

    Oh afterall......

    20. PREDICTION: Houston 32, Browns 27: It’ll be a fun game to watch, but the Texans are just too good at home.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Yeah without some ill timed penalties and turnovers it might have been closer.....but still right now HOU > CLE in 2018.

    And that’s really the bottom line.  Yes, I’m pretty ticked that we couldn’t make it any closer.  The almost 80 yard touchdown being called back, and then fumbling two plays later on another long pass REALLY kicked me in the gut.  I think if we score on one of those plays it really makes me feel a little better.  Even though the game wasn’t “close”, if we lost like 29-20 it would’ve made me feel slightly better, and it also would’ve been another TD for Baker’s confidence and stats.  I know, I know, that sounds ridiculous, but whatever. 

    I hate to beat a dead horse, but that pick before halftime is really burning me up.  On one hand, I love the aggressive nature of Baker, and throwing a jump ball to Njoku is usually a good idea, but the throw was simply awful, and it wasn’t even close to him.  But like I said before, go back and watch that INT.  Chubb (or Duke, don’t remember) is standing in the middle of the field, jumping up and down and SCREAMING for the ball.  You don’t even see a Texans’ defender in the entire screen, and lord knows how far he would’ve run with the ball.  The worst part about that play is Baker did the exact thing against the Chargers (I think) before halftime, and I would like for him to learn that lesson without making the error a second time.  Even a FG before half would’ve been nice because we had a nice TD drive to start the 3rd quarter. 

    Baker will learn, I have no doubt about that.  I absolutely LOVE how he seemed to shrug off the atrocious first half, and although it's not fun to watch a game where we get blown out, go back and watch some of the throws Baker made yesterday (especially in second half).  I mean, some of those throws were next level stuff.  How about that TD to Higgins?  That ball he squeezed into Devalve on the sideline?  There were so many pinpoint balls DOWN THE FIELD that were stunning.  This kid has so much potential, he really does.  

    @jiggins7919 said:

    And that’s really the bottom line.  Yes, I’m pretty ticked that we couldn’t make it any closer.  The almost 80 yard touchdown being called back, and then fumbling two plays later on another long pass REALLY kicked me in the gut.  I think if we score on one of those plays it really makes me feel a little better.  Even though the game wasn’t “close”, if we lost like 29-20 it would’ve made me feel slightly better, and it also would’ve been another TD for Baker’s confidence and stats.  I know, I know, that sounds ridiculous, but whatever. 

    I hate to beat a dead horse, but that pick before halftime is really burning me up.  On one hand, I love the aggressive nature of Baker, and throwing a jump ball to Njoku is usually a good idea, but the throw was simply awful, and it wasn’t even close to him.  But like I said before, go back and watch that INT.  Chubb (or Duke, don’t remember) is standing in the middle of the field, jumping up and down and SCREAMING for the ball.  You don’t even see a Texans’ defender in the entire screen, and lord knows how far he would’ve run with the ball.  The worst part about that play is Baker did the exact thing against the Chargers (I think) before halftime, and I would like for him to learn that lesson without making the error a second time.  Even a FG before half would’ve been nice because we had a nice TD drive to start the 3rd quarter. 

    Baker will learn, I have no doubt about that.  I absolutely LOVE how he seemed to shrug off the atrocious first half, and although it's not fun to watch a game where we get blown out, go back and watch some of the throws Baker made yesterday (especially in second half).  I mean, some of those throws were next level stuff.  How about that TD to Higgins?  That ball he squeezed into Devalve on the sideline?  There were so many pinpoint balls DOWN THE FIELD that were stunning.  This kid has so much potential, he really does.  

    Hey even Brees had a really bad int and loss on Th night, so it happens even to the best.

  • @jiggins7919 said:

    And that’s really the bottom line.  Yes, I’m pretty ticked that we couldn’t make it any closer.  The almost 80 yard touchdown being called back, and then fumbling two plays later on another long pass REALLY kicked me in the gut.  I think if we score on one of those plays it really makes me feel a little better.  Even though the game wasn’t “close”, if we lost like 29-20 it would’ve made me feel slightly better, and it also would’ve been another TD for Baker’s confidence and stats.  I know, I know, that sounds ridiculous, but whatever. 

    I hate to beat a dead horse, but that pick before halftime is really burning me up.  On one hand, I love the aggressive nature of Baker, and throwing a jump ball to Njoku is usually a good idea, but the throw was simply awful, and it wasn’t even close to him.  But like I said before, go back and watch that INT.  Chubb (or Duke, don’t remember) is standing in the middle of the field, jumping up and down and SCREAMING for the ball.  You don’t even see a Texans’ defender in the entire screen, and lord knows how far he would’ve run with the ball.  The worst part about that play is Baker did the exact thing against the Chargers (I think) before halftime, and I would like for him to learn that lesson without making the error a second time.  Even a FG before half would’ve been nice because we had a nice TD drive to start the 3rd quarter. 

    Baker will learn, I have no doubt about that.  I absolutely LOVE how he seemed to shrug off the atrocious first half, and although it's not fun to watch a game where we get blown out, go back and watch some of the throws Baker made yesterday (especially in second half).  I mean, some of those throws were next level stuff.  How about that TD to Higgins?  That ball he squeezed into Devalve on the sideline?  There were so many pinpoint balls DOWN THE FIELD that were stunning.  This kid has so much potential, he really does.  

    Hey even Brees had a really bad int and loss on Th night, so it happens even to the best.

    @texasag1969 said:

    Hey even Brees had a really bad int and loss on Th night, so it happens even to the best.

    Even Rodgers and the GB Pack have been having a tough year. GB & CLE both 4-7-1.

    Parity is here, just about anybody can lose any week,

  • @texasag1969 said:

    Hey even Brees had a really bad int and loss on Th night, so it happens even to the best.

    Even Rodgers and the GB Pack have been having a tough year. GB & CLE both 4-7-1.

    Parity is here, just about anybody can lose any week,

    @mjp28 said:

    GB & CLE both 4-7-1.

    If before the season you'd have said that we'd have the same record it would've had a completely different meaning.

  • @mjp28 said:

    GB & CLE both 4-7-1.

    If before the season you'd have said that we'd have the same record it would've had a completely different meaning.

    @orion said:

    If before the season you'd have said that we'd have the same record it would've had a completely different meaning.

    Before the season I predicted one of them would go all the way.....and drafted Rodgers my QB in two FLs. 😆

    Then he gets injured in week 1. 

    Hey sheet happens!

  • ^  Glad to see Baker wants to put last week behind him right away.

  • @texasag1969 said:

    "Football is back for real in Cleveland."

    Yep, Terry seems to be all in on coaching and practice. We didn’t have either until mid season and all of a sudden, we’re a much improved team. 

  • @texasag1969 said:

    Hey even Brees had a really bad int and loss on Th night, so it happens even to the best.

    Even Rodgers and the GB Pack have been having a tough year. GB & CLE both 4-7-1.

    Parity is here, just about anybody can lose any week,

    @mjp28 said:

    Even Rodgers and the GB Pack have been having a tough year. GB & CLE both 4-7-1.

    Parity is here, just about anybody can lose any week,

    Upsets abounded. Losers- Rams, Texans, Patriots, Steelers, Broncos.

    & Next gen stats said New England had a 99.9% chance of winning that game with seven seconds left.

  • @mjp28 said:

    Even Rodgers and the GB Pack have been having a tough year. GB & CLE both 4-7-1.

    Parity is here, just about anybody can lose any week,

    Upsets abounded. Losers- Rams, Texans, Patriots, Steelers, Broncos.

    & Next gen stats said New England had a 99.9% chance of winning that game with seven seconds left.

    @hoorta said:

    Upsets abounded. Losers- Rams, Texans, Patriots, Steelers, Broncos.

    & Next gen stats said New England had a 99.9% chance of winning that game with seven seconds left.

    Or a 00.1% chance of losing......sure makes sports fun.