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    @mjp28 said:

    I have over 100+ each in 8 tracks, cassettes, CDs, I know I have SRV in cassette......the only cassette players left are a few boomboxes and our car (special ordered it new with a 6 disc CD changer in the dash)....nice.

    Need ro get SRV in CD. Do not have nor want vinyl now.

    vinyl is the way to go superior sound compared to cd also if you buy a new record they come with a download code so you can also put music on your favorite device and one more also cassette is coming back I have noticed them at bands merch tables

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    @atom said:

    vinyl is the way to go superior sound compared to cd also if you buy a new record they come with a download code so you can also put music on your favorite device and one more also cassette is coming back I have noticed them at bands merch tables

    My last phonograph which I bought around 1977 from Sears great stereo and speakers with dual casssttes comptely died years ago.

    Vinyl was cool and great sound....back then. 

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      @atom said:

      vinyl is the way to go superior sound compared to cd also if you buy a new record they come with a download code so you can also put music on your favorite device and one more also cassette is coming back I have noticed them at bands merch tables

      My last phonograph which I bought around 1977 from Sears great stereo and speakers with dual casssttes comptely died years ago.

      Vinyl was cool and great sound....back then. 

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      @mjp28 said:

      My last phonograph which I bought around 1977 from Sears great stereo and speakers with dual casssttes comptely died years ago.

      Vinyl was cool and great sound....back then. 

      oh and did i mention you also get the great artwork you can't turn the inside of Zeppelin 3 with a cd sleeve

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        I miss the good ol days of going into to record store just to check out the latest artwork.. they didnt have google images back then..

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          Now-a-days it's your phone and a Bose speaker.

          BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE
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            @mjp28 said:

            I have over 100+ each in 8 tracks, cassettes, CDs, I know I have SRV in cassette......the only cassette players left are a few boomboxes and our car (special ordered it new with a 6 disc CD changer in the dash)....nice.

            Need ro get SRV in CD. Do not have nor want vinyl now.

            vinyl is the way to go superior sound compared to cd also if you buy a new record they come with a download code so you can also put music on your favorite device and one more also cassette is coming back I have noticed them at bands merch tables

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            @atom said:

            vinyl is the way to go superior sound compared to cd also if you buy a new record they come with a download code so you can also put music on your favorite device and one more also cassette is coming back I have noticed them at bands merch tables

            Unless they've figured out a way to get the snap crackle and pop out of vinyl, I'll pass. I gave away my extensive collection of vinyl last year. I won't argue with you, but MHO vinyl can't touch the dynamic range of CD And Blu-Ray. Warmer sound? I'm a damn critical listener, and sorry if I don't notice it. Seriously, cassete is a joke sound quality wise, unless you're into nostalgia.

            @orion said:

            Now-a-days it's your phone and a Bose speaker.

            And I'm sure you know what Bose stands for among serious audiophiles? Buy Other Sound Equipment. 🙂 The hoorta's Man Cave features a Pioneer Elite 7.1 @ 130 watts\ channel, all channels driven, plus a nice 750 watt subwoofer linear down 10 hz. I can put you on the beach for "Saving Private Ryan", or in the front row for AC\DC. I can pump out 110db continuous- probably more, that's just stupid loud, I've never maxed it out- and I'm not kidding. Don't do that anymore, it's overkill. 

            LOL, for kicks and giggles, I'd like to pump 1,000 watts into a Bose radio, the one that can easily replace your sound system. To quote a guy from HiDef Forum - "yep, blowed up real good."

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              @atom said:

              vinyl is the way to go superior sound compared to cd also if you buy a new record they come with a download code so you can also put music on your favorite device and one more also cassette is coming back I have noticed them at bands merch tables

              Unless they've figured out a way to get the snap crackle and pop out of vinyl, I'll pass. I gave away my extensive collection of vinyl last year. I won't argue with you, but MHO vinyl can't touch the dynamic range of CD And Blu-Ray. Warmer sound? I'm a damn critical listener, and sorry if I don't notice it. Seriously, cassete is a joke sound quality wise, unless you're into nostalgia.

              @orion said:

              Now-a-days it's your phone and a Bose speaker.

              And I'm sure you know what Bose stands for among serious audiophiles? Buy Other Sound Equipment. 🙂 The hoorta's Man Cave features a Pioneer Elite 7.1 @ 130 watts\ channel, all channels driven, plus a nice 750 watt subwoofer linear down 10 hz. I can put you on the beach for "Saving Private Ryan", or in the front row for AC\DC. I can pump out 110db continuous- probably more, that's just stupid loud, I've never maxed it out- and I'm not kidding. Don't do that anymore, it's overkill. 

              LOL, for kicks and giggles, I'd like to pump 1,000 watts into a Bose radio, the one that can easily replace your sound system. To quote a guy from HiDef Forum - "yep, blowed up real good."

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              @hoorta said:

               but MHO vinyl can't touch the dynamic range of CD

              Actually, if you want to get technical, vinyl has far better 'dynamic range' than CDs.

              CDs are most often very 'compressed' (brickwalled), so they sound LOUDER.

              Louder is not dynamic range.

              Compression is the opposite of dynamic range.

              I'm an audio nerd.

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                wow the texans sure looked like world beaters yesterday

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                  @hoorta said:

                   but MHO vinyl can't touch the dynamic range of CD

                  Actually, if you want to get technical, vinyl has far better 'dynamic range' than CDs.

                  CDs are most often very 'compressed' (brickwalled), so they sound LOUDER.

                  Louder is not dynamic range.

                  Compression is the opposite of dynamic range.

                  I'm an audio nerd.

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                  @ous said:

                  Actually, if you want to get technical, vinyl has far better 'dynamic range' than CDs.

                  CDs are most often very 'compressed' (brickwalled), so they sound LOUDER.

                  Louder is not dynamic range.

                  Compression is the opposite of dynamic range.

                  I'm an audio nerd.

                  And when you happen to get an uncompressed DVD concert?  Sure, my system can play at rock concert levels if I have the mind. That's not what I'm about anymore. Nothing more annoying to my mind than listening to vinyl and hearing the occasional (or not so occasional) pop. One of the great selling points of CDs and DVDs as opposed to vinyl. How many guys are using clean room standards when they play those records? And seriously, does it make any difference if we're cutting out upper level harmonics that are insanely above any human beings ability to hear? I'd have to look it up, but I doubt vinyl can reproduce those subsonics that you can't hear- but sure can feel in some movies. Specifically, my SVS sub is set up to be flat down to 10 hz.  

                  And on top of that, how many guys have sound systems that are good enough, and speakers with flat enough response to tell the difference? 1\10 of 1%?  

                  Cassettes? Play 'em on an audiophile system and even with Dolby noise reduction, I could still hear hiss. Why mine are gathering dust. 

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                    @ous said:

                    Actually, if you want to get technical, vinyl has far better 'dynamic range' than CDs.

                    CDs are most often very 'compressed' (brickwalled), so they sound LOUDER.

                    Louder is not dynamic range.

                    Compression is the opposite of dynamic range.

                    I'm an audio nerd.

                    And when you happen to get an uncompressed DVD concert?  Sure, my system can play at rock concert levels if I have the mind. That's not what I'm about anymore. Nothing more annoying to my mind than listening to vinyl and hearing the occasional (or not so occasional) pop. One of the great selling points of CDs and DVDs as opposed to vinyl. How many guys are using clean room standards when they play those records? And seriously, does it make any difference if we're cutting out upper level harmonics that are insanely above any human beings ability to hear? I'd have to look it up, but I doubt vinyl can reproduce those subsonics that you can't hear- but sure can feel in some movies. Specifically, my SVS sub is set up to be flat down to 10 hz.  

                    And on top of that, how many guys have sound systems that are good enough, and speakers with flat enough response to tell the difference? 1\10 of 1%?  

                    Cassettes? Play 'em on an audiophile system and even with Dolby noise reduction, I could still hear hiss. Why mine are gathering dust. 

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                    @hoorta said:

                    And when you happen to get an uncompressed DVD concert?  Sure, my system can play at rock concert levels if I have the mind. That's not what I'm about anymore. Nothing more annoying to my mind than listening to vinyl and hearing the occasional (or not so occasional) pop. One of the great selling points of CDs and DVDs as opposed to vinyl. How many guys are using clean room standards when they play those records? And seriously, does it make any difference if we're cutting out upper level harmonics that are insanely above any human beings ability to hear? I'd have to look it up, but I doubt vinyl can reproduce those subsonics that you can't hear- but sure can feel in some movies. 

                    Cassettes? Play 'em on an audiophile system and even with Dolby noise reduction, I could still hear hiss. Why mine are gathering dust. 

                    if you buy a new 180 gram vinyl it's pure sound no pops at all

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                      @hoorta said:

                      And when you happen to get an uncompressed DVD concert?  Sure, my system can play at rock concert levels if I have the mind. That's not what I'm about anymore. Nothing more annoying to my mind than listening to vinyl and hearing the occasional (or not so occasional) pop. One of the great selling points of CDs and DVDs as opposed to vinyl. How many guys are using clean room standards when they play those records? And seriously, does it make any difference if we're cutting out upper level harmonics that are insanely above any human beings ability to hear? I'd have to look it up, but I doubt vinyl can reproduce those subsonics that you can't hear- but sure can feel in some movies. 

                      Cassettes? Play 'em on an audiophile system and even with Dolby noise reduction, I could still hear hiss. Why mine are gathering dust. 

                      if you buy a new 180 gram vinyl it's pure sound no pops at all

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                      hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by
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                      @atom said:

                      if you buy a new 180 gram vinyl it's pure sound no pops at all

                      To each their own, I suppose. I'm way past using my turntable for anything. I don't even have it hooked into my system anymore. I had an extensive collection of vinyl from the '70s and 80s that I gave away. (It happens when you get old, and haven't listened to any of it in years) 

                      And should I add um sort of hard to produce true lossless 5.1 sound on a turntable. Impressive having those fireworks in Lord of the Rings, Fellowship of the Rings zooming over your head.  

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                        Me personally.. I think Analogue sounds better as far as warmth and natural sounds go... Digital is harsh sounding for recording guitars.... You lose a lot of bottom end and natural compression.. Digital winds up sounding thin and brittle.. MP3 format is the worst.. MP3's break down easy and MP3 files sound a bit fuzzy and distorted over time.. the trade off is MP3's are small files compared to FLAC and WAV. When it comes to Amplifiers.. I prefer the sound of Power vacuum tubes to SS circuitry.. Yeah.. SS is cleaner.. but.. its really hard to shape the tone like you can with Vacuum tubes...two different animals completely.. but , I digress!

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                          The TRUTH is:

                          Baker is a rookie. (and a good one).   Watson is NOT a rookie.  (and a good one)

                          We played a meaningful game in December.  (that's a helluvalot better than 0-16)

                          We need another good offseason to improve the team even more.  (WR, OL and something to help our 31st ranked defense)

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                          @orion said:

                          The TRUTH is:

                          Baker is a rookie. (and a good one).   Watson is NOT a rookie.  (and a good one)

                          We played a meaningful game in December.  (that's a helluvalot better than 0-16)

                          We need another good offseason to improve the team even more.  (WR, OL and something to help our 31st ranked defense)

                          Watson blows donkey caulks. He is a run-first QB and will never taste a SB unless he licks the seats the day after. Fukck Watson. You saw how stinky he was yesterday. SB contender my azz.

                          Isn't it funny how the reason we didn't beat the Bengals worse is because we let up on the gas pedal..... BUT the reason we  almost pulled the game out in the second half was because the Textard's defense was just too good. Fukck the Texans, did I already say that? 

                          Seriously, we turned Watt into Who? We stuck his caulk up his ass and he played like a homosexual. He ain's schidt. Baker had a bad day. We play the Texans 10 times, we win 9. GUARANTEED. The caulksucker Texans won't win another game this year, and you will see both Watt and Watts-son exposed as homosexuals.

                          I agree, we will improve in the offseason, but we are a better team than the Texans right now. In every aspect of the game. I guaranteed a win over the Carolina Tarkentons. We will asss pummel Denver and DRIVE a fist right down John Elways horse teeth.

                          Fukck Denver. 

                          The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL
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                            @atom said:

                            if you buy a new 180 gram vinyl it's pure sound no pops at all

                            To each their own, I suppose. I'm way past using my turntable for anything. I don't even have it hooked into my system anymore. I had an extensive collection of vinyl from the '70s and 80s that I gave away. (It happens when you get old, and haven't listened to any of it in years) 

                            And should I add um sort of hard to produce true lossless 5.1 sound on a turntable. Impressive having those fireworks in Lord of the Rings, Fellowship of the Rings zooming over your head.  

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                            @hoorta said:

                            To each their own, I suppose. I'm way past using my turntable for anything. I don't even have it hooked into my system anymore. I had an extensive collection of vinyl from the '70s and 80s that I gave away. (It happens when you get old, and haven't listened to any of it in years) 

                            And should I add um sort of hard to produce true lossless 5.1 sound on a turntable. Impressive having those fireworks in Lord of the Rings, Fellowship of the Rings zooming over your head.  

                            Well, now you're going from CD talk to purely DVD (or better yet, Blu) 5.1 Audio talk. And yes, you are correct with those points.

                            I was just getting technical with dynamic range.

                            It's all preference, really, at this point with 2.0 music listening. Personally, I don't keep records that have hiss and pops. 

                            You gave away your vinyl!? Yikes! I hate to think what some lucky bastard got for free.

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                              @hoorta said:

                              To each their own, I suppose. I'm way past using my turntable for anything. I don't even have it hooked into my system anymore. I had an extensive collection of vinyl from the '70s and 80s that I gave away. (It happens when you get old, and haven't listened to any of it in years) 

                              And should I add um sort of hard to produce true lossless 5.1 sound on a turntable. Impressive having those fireworks in Lord of the Rings, Fellowship of the Rings zooming over your head.  

                              Well, now you're going from CD talk to purely DVD (or better yet, Blu) 5.1 Audio talk. And yes, you are correct with those points.

                              I was just getting technical with dynamic range.

                              It's all preference, really, at this point with 2.0 music listening. Personally, I don't keep records that have hiss and pops. 

                              You gave away your vinyl!? Yikes! I hate to think what some lucky bastard got for free.

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                              hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by
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                              @ous said:

                              Well, now you're going from CD talk to purely DVD (or better yet, Blu) 5.1 Audio talk. And yes, you are correct with those points.

                              I was just getting technical with dynamic range.

                              It's all preference, really, at this point with 2.0 music listening. Personally, I don't keep records that have hiss and pops. 

                              You gave away your vinyl!? Yikes! I hate to think what some lucky bastard got for free.

                              It was my former boss- he's in his early 40s. The collection was from Aerosmith, AC\DC to Zappa. + most MOR rock (Fleetwood Mac) and guys\ groups like Pink Floyd, Hendrix, SRV, and metal-Ozzie.  Believe it or not- I really don't miss it. The stuff I really like- I went out and bought DVDs or Blu-Rays of their concerts.  The equity line and car are paid off in April, so the Man Cave is getting upgraded from the plasma to a Samsung Q9 4k.  🙂  

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