Josh Gordon Leaving the Patriots to Focus on Mental Health
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I thought the trade was bad and still do. Gordon could've been kept and then let go at the end of the year in free agency or if he played well you could've given him the transition tag and gotten a solid draft choice. This isn't as much about Gordon as using your pieces. Keeping him would've cost us nothing but could've yielded something other than a 7th rounder.
I thought the trade was bad and still do. Gordon could've been kept and then let go at the end of the year in free agency or if he played well you could've given him the transition tag and gotten a solid draft choice. This isn't as much about Gordon as using your pieces. Keeping him would've cost us nothing but could've yielded something other than a 7th rounder.
Gunz sort of said what I had almost completely typed.
It was a 5th round pick- and if what mjp posted in that link according to Scheffter is true, Josh is probably done in the NFL. If you remember, right before we traded Gordon, he showed up late for a meeting and apparently "not himself". I think we can read that as "high" in hindsight now. Dorsey and company decided we had better unload this guy pronto for whatever we can get before he fails another drug test.
FWIW, he didn't last out the season in New England. After getting a zillion chances with the Browns, you really think he wouldn't have pulled the same stunt again in Cleveland? Transition tag? LOL!!! Right now the Patriots wouldn't even be able to a conditional 7th in 2021 for him. They're probably looking at an unconditional release.
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Normally I wouldn't make this a big deal, but I want every single one of you mf'ers who said trading Gordon was a mistake to step up and eat crow. I still don't wish evil on this kid, but it's obvious he didn't and never cared about being a football player. Top that with the fact we essentially matched his production with a rookie and where are you whiners at now? Yet another feather in the Cap for the Dorsey regime.
That's true for most people, but I believe that some people weren't upset of the trading away of JG per se, but rather the paltry compensation we received back in return for him. Dorsey was correct in trading him away, but I bet he could've received greater compensation than a 5th rounder.
That's true for most people, but I believe that some people weren't upset of the trading away of JG per se, but rather the paltry compensation we received back in return for him. Dorsey was correct in trading him away, but I bet he could've received greater compensation than a 5th rounder.
Eh, I'd be willing to bet a very reasonable sum of money no one offered above a 5th round pick. IDC how much talent a guy has, with his past no way in hell that pick was going to be in the first 3 rounds. MAYBE a 4th round pick, but I doubt that.
I thought the trade was bad and still do. Gordon could've been kept and then let go at the end of the year in free agency or if he played well you could've given him the transition tag and gotten a solid draft choice. This isn't as much about Gordon as using your pieces. Keeping him would've cost us nothing but could've yielded something other than a 7th rounder.
And doing that would have meant losing tons of valuable reps for our future for a guy who didn't give a shit about the game or the Browns. You're right, that makes total sense.
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A bit too much vitriol there. Gordon has major issues, be they addiction issues, mental issues etc. I have no animosity toward him...it is what it is....and what it is was fairly predictable. So, as has been said, let's just leave it go.
I mean, the biggest ramification this would have is that the Patriots now do not have someone there that they may have come to rely on, and that they may not be able to perform as well without his as they could have with him. And that is NOT a consequence that I am going to cry about.
No ones crying here.. Especially on my end.. But as a person who has lived and dealt with addicts.... There has to be tough love.. Quit giving Josh enablers.. That is what the Browns.. And Now NE is doing..... Thats where I stand...
No ones crying here.. Especially on my end.. But as a person who has lived and dealt with addicts.... There has to be tough love.. Quit giving Josh enablers.. That is what the Browns.. And Now NE is doing..... Thats where I stand...
Well....if you have lived and dealt with addicts, then it is you far more than anyone else here who may have been an enabler of someone at some point in time.
Again, my point being....you seemed to express vitriol toward him. While I am not particulary sympathetic, I hold no animosity ...as you seem to.
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That's true for most people, but I believe that some people weren't upset of the trading away of JG per se, but rather the paltry compensation we received back in return for him. Dorsey was correct in trading him away, but I bet he could've received greater compensation than a 5th rounder.
Eh, I'd be willing to bet a very reasonable sum of money no one offered above a 5th round pick. IDC how much talent a guy has, with his past no way in hell that pick was going to be in the first 3 rounds. MAYBE a 4th round pick, but I doubt that.
I thought the trade was bad and still do. Gordon could've been kept and then let go at the end of the year in free agency or if he played well you could've given him the transition tag and gotten a solid draft choice. This isn't as much about Gordon as using your pieces. Keeping him would've cost us nothing but could've yielded something other than a 7th rounder.
And doing that would have meant losing tons of valuable reps for our future for a guy who didn't give a shit about the game or the Browns. You're right, that makes total sense.
Eh, I'd be willing to bet a very reasonable sum of money no one offered above a 5th round pick. IDC how much talent a guy has, with his past no way in hell that pick was going to be in the first 3 rounds. MAYBE a 4th round pick, but I doubt that.
And doing that would have meant losing tons of valuable reps for our future for a guy who didn't give a shit about the game or the Browns. You're right, that makes total sense.
Straight statistics wise, What did we get out of Callaway and Perriman, compared to what they got out of Gordon......who possibly had the GOAT throwing to him instead of TT and a rookie?
Probably quite a bit more.
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I thought the trade was bad and still do. Gordon could've been kept and then let go at the end of the year in free agency or if he played well you could've given him the transition tag and gotten a solid draft choice. This isn't as much about Gordon as using your pieces. Keeping him would've cost us nothing but could've yielded something other than a 7th rounder.
Well it already DID yield more than a 7th rounder, since the Browns got a 5th.
But besides that, you keep overlooking other parts aside from compensation. There is the unlimited chances he received, the message it could send to others, as well as not helping the other guys develop, and/or trying to force it to him.
But by all means, have your opinion. Had he had those numbers in Cleveland, or double, and they franchise him, he gets what 15 million? Then the next day he has a problem and hes gone.
Well it already DID yield more than a 7th rounder, since the Browns got a 5th.
But besides that, you keep overlooking other parts aside from compensation. There is the unlimited chances he received, the message it could send to others, as well as not helping the other guys develop, and/or trying to force it to him.
But by all means, have your opinion. Had he had those numbers in Cleveland, or double, and they franchise him, he gets what 15 million? Then the next day he has a problem and hes gone.
Transition tag not franchise tag
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That's true for most people, but I believe that some people weren't upset of the trading away of JG per se, but rather the paltry compensation we received back in return for him. Dorsey was correct in trading him away, but I bet he could've received greater compensation than a 5th rounder.
Eh, I'd be willing to bet a very reasonable sum of money no one offered above a 5th round pick. IDC how much talent a guy has, with his past no way in hell that pick was going to be in the first 3 rounds. MAYBE a 4th round pick, but I doubt that.
I thought the trade was bad and still do. Gordon could've been kept and then let go at the end of the year in free agency or if he played well you could've given him the transition tag and gotten a solid draft choice. This isn't as much about Gordon as using your pieces. Keeping him would've cost us nothing but could've yielded something other than a 7th rounder.
And doing that would have meant losing tons of valuable reps for our future for a guy who didn't give a shit about the game or the Browns. You're right, that makes total sense.
Eh, I'd be willing to bet a very reasonable sum of money no one offered above a 5th round pick. IDC how much talent a guy has, with his past no way in hell that pick was going to be in the first 3 rounds. MAYBE a 4th round pick, but I doubt that.
And doing that would have meant losing tons of valuable reps for our future for a guy who didn't give a shit about the game or the Browns. You're right, that makes total sense.
Perriman?
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Eh, I'd be willing to bet a very reasonable sum of money no one offered above a 5th round pick. IDC how much talent a guy has, with his past no way in hell that pick was going to be in the first 3 rounds. MAYBE a 4th round pick, but I doubt that.
And doing that would have meant losing tons of valuable reps for our future for a guy who didn't give a shit about the game or the Browns. You're right, that makes total sense.
Straight statistics wise, What did we get out of Callaway and Perriman, compared to what they got out of Gordon......who possibly had the GOAT throwing to him instead of TT and a rookie?
Probably quite a bit more.
Straight statistics wise, What did we get out of Callaway and Perriman, compared to what they got out of Gordon......who possibly had the GOAT throwing to him instead of TT and a rookie?
Probably quite a bit more.
Easy peasy to find out Gipper. As I already posted, Gordon was 40 receptions for 720 yards, and 3 TDs. Callaway is 39 receptions for 507 yards, and 4 TDs. Perriman in his few games- 11 receptions 219 yards, and 1 TD. The best ability is availability.
BTW, NFL.com picked up on the fact Gordon is probably going to get suspended indefinitely- this time for good, I'll bet. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001002110/article/patriots-wr-josh-gordon-facing-indefinite-suspension
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Straight statistics wise, What did we get out of Callaway and Perriman, compared to what they got out of Gordon......who possibly had the GOAT throwing to him instead of TT and a rookie?
Probably quite a bit more.
Easy peasy to find out Gipper. As I already posted, Gordon was 40 receptions for 720 yards, and 3 TDs. Callaway is 39 receptions for 507 yards, and 4 TDs. Perriman in his few games- 11 receptions 219 yards, and 1 TD. The best ability is availability.
BTW, NFL.com picked up on the fact Gordon is probably going to get suspended indefinitely- this time for good, I'll bet. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001002110/article/patriots-wr-josh-gordon-facing-indefinite-suspension
Easy peasy to find out Gipper. As I already posted, Gordon was 40 receptions for 720 yards, and 3 TDs. Callaway is 39 receptions for 507 yards, and 4 TDs. Perriman in his few games- 11 receptions 219 yards, and 1 TD. The best ability is availability.
BTW, NFL.com picked up on the fact Gordon is probably going to get suspended indefinitely- this time for good, I'll bet. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001002110/article/patriots-wr-josh-gordon-facing-indefinite-suspension
Well, that totals 726 vs 720 yds, 50 catches vs. 40. 5 TDs to 3.
Plus a 5th rounder that Dorsey can maybe turn into either a depth DB or depth OL...or something.
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Well it already DID yield more than a 7th rounder, since the Browns got a 5th.
But besides that, you keep overlooking other parts aside from compensation. There is the unlimited chances he received, the message it could send to others, as well as not helping the other guys develop, and/or trying to force it to him.
But by all means, have your opinion. Had he had those numbers in Cleveland, or double, and they franchise him, he gets what 15 million? Then the next day he has a problem and hes gone.
Transition tag not franchise tag
Transition tag not franchise tag
Come on man!!! Read the the news.
Gordon is DONE.
Teams aren't going to offer a sack of seeds or a cold six-pack for Josh after his latest- "I have to leave now to get my head straight" gambit.
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No ones crying here.. Especially on my end.. But as a person who has lived and dealt with addicts.... There has to be tough love.. Quit giving Josh enablers.. That is what the Browns.. And Now NE is doing..... Thats where I stand...
Well....if you have lived and dealt with addicts, then it is you far more than anyone else here who may have been an enabler of someone at some point in time.
Again, my point being....you seemed to express vitriol toward him. While I am not particulary sympathetic, I hold no animosity ...as you seem to.
Well....if you have lived and dealt with addicts, then it is you far more than anyone else here who may have been an enabler of someone at some point in time.
Again, my point being....you seemed to express vitriol toward him. While I am not particulary sympathetic, I hold no animosity ...as you seem to.
I have 0 animosity towards him... He did it to himself... He obviously does not care.. Why should we.. We and the League have given him numerous opportunities to right his own ship...that ship apparently has sunk for good.. Now we can move on.. And just worry about the players who are making the team great again...
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Eh, I'd be willing to bet a very reasonable sum of money no one offered above a 5th round pick. IDC how much talent a guy has, with his past no way in hell that pick was going to be in the first 3 rounds. MAYBE a 4th round pick, but I doubt that.
And doing that would have meant losing tons of valuable reps for our future for a guy who didn't give a shit about the game or the Browns. You're right, that makes total sense.
Straight statistics wise, What did we get out of Callaway and Perriman, compared to what they got out of Gordon......who possibly had the GOAT throwing to him instead of TT and a rookie?
Probably quite a bit more.
Straight statistics wise, What did we get out of Callaway and Perriman, compared to what they got out of Gordon......who possibly had the GOAT throwing to him instead of TT and a rookie?
Probably quite a bit more.
I'm not really a fan of comparing two guys to one, but I'd fairly compare callaway to Gordon. Gordon provided a bit more yards, but they both scores 4 TDs. I'd argue they both brought somewhat similar production and the Callaway isn't, ya know, a guy who is staying on the field and is committed to the team.
Perriman?
Anybody. Josh Gordon was not the future of the Browns. Giving a guy like Perriman, Callaway, Higgins or anyone else in this truly rebuilding season was exponentially more important than keeping Gordon, losing those reps just to have this obvious conclusion happen again.
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Well....if you have lived and dealt with addicts, then it is you far more than anyone else here who may have been an enabler of someone at some point in time.
Again, my point being....you seemed to express vitriol toward him. While I am not particulary sympathetic, I hold no animosity ...as you seem to.
I have 0 animosity towards him... He did it to himself... He obviously does not care.. Why should we.. We and the League have given him numerous opportunities to right his own ship...that ship apparently has sunk for good.. Now we can move on.. And just worry about the players who are making the team great again...
I have 0 animosity towards him... He did it to himself... He obviously does not care.. Why should we.. We and the League have given him numerous opportunities to right his own ship...that ship apparently has sunk for good.. Now we can move on.. And just worry about the players who are making the team great again...
Well, your tone clearly implies animosity...and emotions (read: care).
So...go ahead, move on.
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If at this point in this thread you actually think JG deserved either to stay with the Browns or another shot with some team:
Please look into something called Al-Anon.. it could be useful for you and those closest to you.
Addiction is a disease/malfunction of the group not just one person. Al-Anon was created to [obviously] address alcoholism but the principle is the same. Enabling behavior allows the addict to remain stuck -- and why not, he's always been catered to! In this case, the catering is.. the addict avoids the true legal punishment defined for his crimes.
Consider the mental model of this [letting punishment happen to Gordon] to be thinking of yourself as stepping back and allowing justice to occur, not a malicious intent towards a person. The reality is that Gordon has simply not come face to face with his ability to face punishment for his crimes.. because he's been enabled so often.
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Gordon is doing the right thing. There is nothing to say that he's failed another test. He's suspended because he's taking a break and that violates his reinstatement. He could be reinstated in the offseason if things go well from here on out. The Patriots are okay with it and taking the time to get himself together before another relapse is a good sign of progress. These things take time and he's done an excellent job this season to remain on the field and producing well after the move.
I would add that moving to a new town and being away from his children whom he just got back in his life must be taking a toll on the young man.
Seriously does this mean that the Patriots own his rights next season or will he be a FA when he's reinstated?
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Gordon is doing the right thing. There is nothing to say that he's failed another test. He's suspended because he's taking a break and that violates his reinstatement. He could be reinstated in the offseason if things go well from here on out. The Patriots are okay with it and taking the time to get himself together before another relapse is a good sign of progress. These things take time and he's done an excellent job this season to remain on the field and producing well after the move.
I would add that moving to a new town and being away from his children whom he just got back in his life must be taking a toll on the young man.
Seriously does this mean that the Patriots own his rights next season or will he be a FA when he's reinstated?
Gordon is doing the right thing. There is nothing to say that he's failed another test. He's suspended because he's taking a break and that violates his reinstatement. He could be reinstated in the offseason if things go well from here on out. The Patriots are okay with it and taking the time to get himself together before another relapse is a good sign of progress. These things take time and he's done an excellent job this season to remain on the field and producing well after the move.
I would add that moving to a new town and being away from his children whom he just got back in his life must be taking a toll on the young man.
Seriously does this mean that the Patriots own his rights next season or will he be a FA when he's reinstated?
i believe he has played in enough games to be a F.A
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I have 0 animosity towards him... He did it to himself... He obviously does not care.. Why should we.. We and the League have given him numerous opportunities to right his own ship...that ship apparently has sunk for good.. Now we can move on.. And just worry about the players who are making the team great again...
Well, your tone clearly implies animosity...and emotions (read: care).
So...go ahead, move on.
Well, your tone clearly implies animosity...and emotions (read: care).
So...go ahead, move on.
Already did... I suggest everyone else do the same...
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Well....if you have lived and dealt with addicts, then it is you far more than anyone else here who may have been an enabler of someone at some point in time.
Again, my point being....you seemed to express vitriol toward him. While I am not particulary sympathetic, I hold no animosity ...as you seem to.
I have 0 animosity towards him... He did it to himself... He obviously does not care.. Why should we.. We and the League have given him numerous opportunities to right his own ship...that ship apparently has sunk for good.. Now we can move on.. And just worry about the players who are making the team great again...
I have 0 animosity towards him... He did it to himself... He obviously does not care.. Why should we.. We and the League have given him numerous opportunities to right his own ship...that ship apparently has sunk for good.. Now we can move on.. And just worry about the players who are making the team great again...
Yeah it's sad that he can't control his demons. The scenario is NFL came up to him and in one hand had a check for $10+ million dollars, and in the other a blunt and a bottle of booze. Which one do you want more Josh? Apparently the second option.
Gordon is doing the right thing. There is nothing to say that he's failed another test. He's suspended because he's taking a break and that violates his reinstatement. He could be reinstated in the offseason if things go well from here on out. The Patriots are okay with it and taking the time to get himself together before another relapse is a good sign of progress. These things take time and he's done an excellent job this season to remain on the field and producing well after the move.
I would add that moving to a new town and being away from his children whom he just got back in his life must be taking a toll on the young man.
Seriously does this mean that the Patriots own his rights next season or will he be a FA when he's reinstated?
Um, not exactly, but there's only one way to take this....
NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reported that Gordon is facing another indefinite suspension for violating terms of his reinstatement under the substance abuse policy, according to a source informed his status.
The league later confirmed the suspension:
"Effective today, Josh Gordon has been returned to the Reserve/Commissioner Suspended list indefinitely for violating the terms of his conditional reinstatement under the Policy and Program for Substances of Abuse."
Sorry Po, pull your head out of the sand. He flunked another drug test. The league can't come right out and say it because of privacy issues, but it will come out in the wash soon enough. Going to seek further treatment is admirable, but for all intents and purposes, he's done in the NFL. And if you were listening to Good Morning Football, they flat out said Gordon isn't the same player he was in his Pro Bowl season. He's still pretty good, but he's not a top 10 talent anymore. Maybe you should start a poll to see how long the guys here think he's gone for this time. Make sure "forever" is one of the options.
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Gordon is doing the right thing. There is nothing to say that he's failed another test. He's suspended because he's taking a break and that violates his reinstatement. He could be reinstated in the offseason if things go well from here on out. The Patriots are okay with it and taking the time to get himself together before another relapse is a good sign of progress. These things take time and he's done an excellent job this season to remain on the field and producing well after the move.
I would add that moving to a new town and being away from his children whom he just got back in his life must be taking a toll on the young man.
Seriously does this mean that the Patriots own his rights next season or will he be a FA when he's reinstated?
Gordon is doing the right thing. There is nothing to say that he's failed another test. He's suspended because he's taking a break and that violates his reinstatement. He could be reinstated in the offseason if things go well from here on out. The Patriots are okay with it and taking the time to get himself together before another relapse is a good sign of progress. These things take time and he's done an excellent job this season to remain on the field and producing well after the move.
I would add that moving to a new town and being away from his children whom he just got back in his life must be taking a toll on the young man.
Seriously does this mean that the Patriots own his rights next season or will he be a FA when he's reinstated?
Of course his number 1 fan will still defend him. What team will want a guy who skips all of training camp to "get his head together" then shows up and half asses the effort. Gets traded to the best organization in the NFL, plays decently for them and then walks away from the team 2 games before the playoffs to "get his head together" again. Total waste of talent. Hes back on the suspended list for an indefinite amount of time. He won't get another chance in the NFL anytime soon.
New England Patriots wide receiver Josh Gordon has been suspended indefinitely for violating the terms of his conditional reinstatement under the NFL's drug policy, the league announced Thursday.
"Effective today, Josh Gordon has been returned to the Reserve/Commissioner Suspended list indefinitely for violating the terms of his conditional reinstatement under the Policy and Program for Substances of Abuse," the league said in a statement.
He and Justin Blackmon can sit on the front porch of some house somewhere now and smoke weed and talk about the good old days of playing in the NFL all they want now.
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Gordon was suspended indefinitely by the league. He was obviously dirty again.
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