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  • OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
    #1

    Let's face it, we're out of the playoffs and have been for some time....even though the Fat Lady hasn't been given the microphone yet.

    It's going to be another eventful offseason for the Browns.  This time however, we have some real hope.

    Obviously, our coaching situation is up in the air.  And that's a major thing.  We have some good players now, so it won't be extremely hard for new coaches to continue the winning thing that we've experienced....but there IS a possibility of issues.  Especially on the defensive side of the ball.  We're notorious for changing schemes requiring DL and LB'er retooling.  So, hopefully that won't be the case this time.

    The Ghoul mentioned that we need an inside pass rusher on the DL.  I agree that the DL is not done and that that's a good idea.  

    I think there's a possibility that we move on from Jamie Collins at years' end.  Linebacker may be a need.

    Certainly cornerback is a need.  Ward is practicing again and hopefully he can play the final two games but his concussion thing is a dark could looming overhead.

    On offense the tackle positions require examination.

    WR is of course pointed to any time this type of question comes up.  And there's no reason to see if we can't add a quality receiver......but that Derick Willies guy is an intriguing prospect.  He looks good getting off the bus, runs fast and can catch.  

    TE's.  We've got TE's falling off the ends of the bench.

    -  I would draft a QB to sit the bench in Tyrod's place.

  • darren15D darren15 wrote on last edited by
    #2

    Feet

  • jrb12711J jrb12711 wrote on last edited by
    #3

    The way I always consider the following season is looking at the current roster and who I see, barring something crazy, as "locks". I mean that not on level of play, but contracts as well. Based on that, here's what I got by position, of course IMO:

    Offense:

    QB-Mayfield

    WR-Landry, Callaway

    RB-Chubb, Johnson

    TE-Njoku

    OL-Tretter, Zeitler, Bitonio,

    Defense:

    DL-Garrett, Ogunjobi, Ogbah

    LB-Schobert, Avery

    CB (stout unit)-Mitchell, Randall, Ward, Peppers, Carrie

    Based on what you see there, I bolded what I would target moving forward. I really like what we've gotten from Perriman and Higgins, but I see this a good area for upgrade. Adding a guy like Sills from WVU is really enticing. Robinson has played very admirably, but if we target a LT high in the draft next year I wouldn't be too upset. Having Robinson in the mix as a back-up would put me in a better position.

    Defensively, the front seven could use an upgrade. I imagine Kirksey will stay around but he had a rough season. Collins has been very inconsistent and I'd be baffled to see him around next year at nearly a $12 million price tag. Seeing as there's really no top flight WR prospects that would suit this team, as of today I'm fine with considering our 1st round pick being in the front seven. the DL prospects in this draft are fantastic (if Josh Allen slips a bit he'd be a no brainer). 

    Outside of that, it's all about where to find depth and quality. I trust Dorsey full boar on that one based on the moves we've made this year alone.

  • tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
    #4

    I almost see Hubbard as more replaceable than Robinson at this moment. 

  • Let's face it, we're out of the playoffs and have been for some time....even though the Fat Lady hasn't been given the microphone yet.

    It's going to be another eventful offseason for the Browns.  This time however, we have some real hope.

    Obviously, our coaching situation is up in the air.  And that's a major thing.  We have some good players now, so it won't be extremely hard for new coaches to continue the winning thing that we've experienced....but there IS a possibility of issues.  Especially on the defensive side of the ball.  We're notorious for changing schemes requiring DL and LB'er retooling.  So, hopefully that won't be the case this time.

    The Ghoul mentioned that we need an inside pass rusher on the DL.  I agree that the DL is not done and that that's a good idea.  

    I think there's a possibility that we move on from Jamie Collins at years' end.  Linebacker may be a need.

    Certainly cornerback is a need.  Ward is practicing again and hopefully he can play the final two games but his concussion thing is a dark could looming overhead.

    On offense the tackle positions require examination.

    WR is of course pointed to any time this type of question comes up.  And there's no reason to see if we can't add a quality receiver......but that Derick Willies guy is an intriguing prospect.  He looks good getting off the bus, runs fast and can catch.  

    TE's.  We've got TE's falling off the ends of the bench.

    -  I would draft a QB to sit the bench in Tyrod's place.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
    #5

    @orion said:

    Let's face it, we're out of the playoffs and have been for some time....even though the Fat Lady hasn't been given the microphone yet.

    It's going to be another eventful offseason for the Browns.  This time however, we have some real hope.

    Obviously, our coaching situation is up in the air.  And that's a major thing.  We have some good players now, so it won't be extremely hard for new coaches to continue the winning thing that we've experienced....but there IS a possibility of issues.  Especially on the defensive side of the ball.  We're notorious for changing schemes requiring DL and LB'er retooling.  So, hopefully that won't be the case this time.

    The Ghoul mentioned that we need an inside pass rusher on the DL.  I agree that the DL is not done and that that's a good idea.  

    I think there's a possibility that we move on from Jamie Collins at years' end.  Linebacker may be a need.

    Certainly cornerback is a need.  Ward is practicing again and hopefully he can play the final two games but his concussion thing is a dark could looming overhead.

    On offense the tackle positions require examination.

    WR is of course pointed to any time this type of question comes up.  And there's no reason to see if we can't add a quality receiver......but that Derick Willies guy is an intriguing prospect.  He looks good getting off the bus, runs fast and can catch.  

    TE's.  We've got TE's falling off the ends of the bench.

    -  I would draft a QB to sit the bench in Tyrod's place.

    All 'at.

  • ATOMA ATOM wrote on last edited by
    #6

    what i enjoy is that we  can draft BPA regardless of the roster spot 

  • C crstphr2 wrote on last edited by
    #7

    I want them to draft Brown or Lamb from Oklahoma.  Instant speed, hands, and familiarity.

  • OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
    #8

    There's a possibility that we could sneak into the single digits in the draft order.   -  I don't want that however.  That means we lost our final two......no, no more phucking losing.   We're not those Browns any more!

    As has been said, it's nice to be going into the draft and not have to be wondering how we're going to get our franchise QB.   Now we can take the best player that falls to us. 

    Any upgrades we can get to support Baker will probably pay dividends.  

    We've had a couple of pleasant surprises at WR.  Higgins has made some really difficult catches.  And he seems to make the easy ones too (of course he dropped one recently).  And Periman has come in and made catches.  Virtually no time to learn the playbook and sync up with the QB, yet he's made plays.  And with Willies, who looked like he had potential, I don't think that there's a need to reach on a WR in the draft.

    Obviously, the coaching situation is first and foremost.   - Two more audition games for Williams and Kitchens.

  • jcam222J jcam222 wrote on last edited by
    #9

    We are VERY close to dominant. Needs in order

    A true #1 receiver

    LT

    a LB or 2 that can cover a TE

  • We are VERY close to dominant. Needs in order

    A true #1 receiver

    LT

    a LB or 2 that can cover a TE

    OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
    #10

    @jcam222 said:

    a LB or 2 that can cover a TE

    That's a good point.

  • U Unsympathetic wrote on last edited by Unsympathetic
    #11

    If you drafted 2 LB's and 2 OT's with the first 4 picks I wouldn't be unhappy.

    However somewhere in there we need an impact DT and impact DE as well.

    WR is not on that list for good reason.. resign Perriman, he is the 1st-rounder we've been looking for.  Everything said about any WR in the 2019 draft.. is true of Higgins [hands] and Perriman [speed, height, red zone] and Landry [contested catches over the middle] and Njoku [freak athlete TE].

  • We are VERY close to dominant. Needs in order

    A true #1 receiver

    LT

    a LB or 2 that can cover a TE

    bjh2130B bjh2130 wrote on last edited by bjh2130
    #12

    @jcam222 said:

    We are VERY close to dominant. Needs in order

    A true #1 receiver

    LT

    a LB or 2 that can cover a TE

    If butler from Iowa State really does go where people project him we can get our number 1 wr in the second round. That kid is going to be special.

    In my mind he is Josh Gordon potential without off field demons/problems.

    Here is article where they have mcshay saying he will be a day 2 pick.

    https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/college/iowa-state/football/2018/12/01/iowa-state-cyclones-hakeem-butler-wide-receiver-college-football-drops-drake-draft-nfl/2176780002/

  • I want them to draft Brown or Lamb from Oklahoma.  Instant speed, hands, and familiarity.

    B BaconHound wrote on last edited by
    #13

    @crstphr2 said:

    I want them to draft Brown or Lamb from Oklahoma.  Instant speed, hands, and familiarity.

    OU is my college and a big no to Brown, not sure if CeeDee is fast enough for the NFL.  There is a good crop of WRs in this years draft.

  • We are VERY close to dominant. Needs in order

    A true #1 receiver

    LT

    a LB or 2 that can cover a TE

    B BaconHound wrote on last edited by
    #14

    @jcam222 said:

    We are VERY close to dominant. Needs in order

    A true #1 receiver

    LT

    a LB or 2 that can cover a TE

    LT, #1 WR, LB

  • LBC mikeL LBC mike wrote on last edited by
    #15

    I think the wr should be a good FA u pickup.   Rest of the possitions are fillable with the draft.  Resign Higgins and perriman.  Wr group not as bad as a couple years ago.

  • I think the wr should be a good FA u pickup.   Rest of the possitions are fillable with the draft.  Resign Higgins and perriman.  Wr group not as bad as a couple years ago.

    B BaconHound wrote on last edited by BaconHound
    #16

    @lbc-mike said:

    I think the wr should be a good FA u pickup.   Rest of the possitions are fillable with the draft.  Resign Higgins and perriman.  Wr group not as bad as a couple years ago.

    I wouldn't mind seeing them target Riley Ridley in the 2nd to Way in the 3rd.

  • CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFSC CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS wrote on last edited by
    #17

    BPA from here on out, with about 25% position need taken into consideration 

  • If you drafted 2 LB's and 2 OT's with the first 4 picks I wouldn't be unhappy.

    However somewhere in there we need an impact DT and impact DE as well.

    WR is not on that list for good reason.. resign Perriman, he is the 1st-rounder we've been looking for.  Everything said about any WR in the 2019 draft.. is true of Higgins [hands] and Perriman [speed, height, red zone] and Landry [contested catches over the middle] and Njoku [freak athlete TE].

    jiggins7919J jiggins7919 wrote on last edited by
    #18

    @unsympathetic said:

    If you drafted 2 LB's and 2 OT's with the first 4 picks I wouldn't be unhappy.

    However somewhere in there we need an impact DT and impact DE as well.

    WR is not on that list for good reason.. resign Perriman, he is the 1st-rounder we've been looking for.  Everything said about any WR in the 2019 draft.. is true of Higgins [hands] and Perriman [speed, height, red zone] and Landry [contested catches over the middle] and Njoku [freak athlete TE].

    You might be right on. A stud DT, perhaps in the first round, and then I want LBs and DBs. I hate saying this, but we can't assume Denzel Ward will be ok. It breaks my heart even THINKING this, but Ward might be the victim of bad luck, or he might just be injury prone. It almost doesn't seem fair. Ward was instantly one of my favorite players, and apparently he's a better human being than football player. He's definitely in my thoughts, and I wish him a long and healthy career. 

    But we can't assume everything will be merry, so we may have to draft CBs early and often because I'm of the mindset that you just can't have enough. 

  • U Unsympathetic wrote on last edited by Unsympathetic
    #19

    As well, remember when considering a early-round WR: Look at Doctson's play with Wash. He combines the bad hustle of the worst of Gordon with the bad hands of the worst of our other WR's.  If you're wrong with the pick, not only did you waste it, but you also passed up a blue-chip contributor at another position.

    Maybe Doctson will decide he wants to be good - but that won't happen with his current team.  Don't be that team.

  • Let's face it, we're out of the playoffs and have been for some time....even though the Fat Lady hasn't been given the microphone yet.

    It's going to be another eventful offseason for the Browns.  This time however, we have some real hope.

    Obviously, our coaching situation is up in the air.  And that's a major thing.  We have some good players now, so it won't be extremely hard for new coaches to continue the winning thing that we've experienced....but there IS a possibility of issues.  Especially on the defensive side of the ball.  We're notorious for changing schemes requiring DL and LB'er retooling.  So, hopefully that won't be the case this time.

    The Ghoul mentioned that we need an inside pass rusher on the DL.  I agree that the DL is not done and that that's a good idea.  

    I think there's a possibility that we move on from Jamie Collins at years' end.  Linebacker may be a need.

    Certainly cornerback is a need.  Ward is practicing again and hopefully he can play the final two games but his concussion thing is a dark could looming overhead.

    On offense the tackle positions require examination.

    WR is of course pointed to any time this type of question comes up.  And there's no reason to see if we can't add a quality receiver......but that Derick Willies guy is an intriguing prospect.  He looks good getting off the bus, runs fast and can catch.  

    TE's.  We've got TE's falling off the ends of the bench.

    -  I would draft a QB to sit the bench in Tyrod's place.

    B browns52 wrote on last edited by
    #20

    @orion said:

    Let's face it, we're out of the playoffs and have been for some time....even though the Fat Lady hasn't been given the microphone yet.

    It's going to be another eventful offseason for the Browns.  This time however, we have some real hope.

    Obviously, our coaching situation is up in the air.  And that's a major thing.  We have some good players now, so it won't be extremely hard for new coaches to continue the winning thing that we've experienced....but there IS a possibility of issues.  Especially on the defensive side of the ball.  We're notorious for changing schemes requiring DL and LB'er retooling.  So, hopefully that won't be the case this time.

    The Ghoul mentioned that we need an inside pass rusher on the DL.  I agree that the DL is not done and that that's a good idea.  

    I think there's a possibility that we move on from Jamie Collins at years' end.  Linebacker may be a need.

    Certainly cornerback is a need.  Ward is practicing again and hopefully he can play the final two games but his concussion thing is a dark could looming overhead.

    On offense the tackle positions require examination.

    WR is of course pointed to any time this type of question comes up.  And there's no reason to see if we can't add a quality receiver......but that Derick Willies guy is an intriguing prospect.  He looks good getting off the bus, runs fast and can catch.  

    TE's.  We've got TE's falling off the ends of the bench.

    -  I would draft a QB to sit the bench in Tyrod's place.

    probalbly defense....we do need another pass rusher...i think the ol will be ok...they are young and seem to be getting a little better...need a good punt return player/kickoff return player....and most of all we need run stoppers....looking foward to the draft...i sure hope we get at least 1 of those mack truck dl from alabama...