The official Terry Pluto thread
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I have to agree with Pluto here. I think as it stands right now my preference would be keeping what we have now with Williams as HC and Kitchens as OC and play caller. Listened to the Bruce Arians interview today and he still says he'd love the Browns job and wouldn't call plays so that would mean to me that if he were to come here, Kitchens stays in place under Arians which is fine as well. Mostly to me, I don't want to see the offense messed with. There's been a noticeable difference with Bakers play with Kitchens calling the plays. I'm not the biggest Williams fan in the world but hard to argue with the change for the better he's brought to the team since we let Huey and Toad walk the plank.
I have to agree with Pluto here. I think as it stands right now my preference would be keeping what we have now with Williams as HC and Kitchens as OC and play caller. Listened to the Bruce Arians interview today and he still says he'd love the Browns job and wouldn't call plays so that would mean to me that if he were to come here, Kitchens stays in place under Arians which is fine as well. Mostly to me, I don't want to see the offense messed with. There's been a noticeable difference with Bakers play with Kitchens calling the plays. I'm not the biggest Williams fan in the world but hard to argue with the change for the better he's brought to the team since we let Huey and Toad walk the plank.
I can't remember who was interviewed yesterday evening on 92.3, but they brought up the fact that while Kitchens was a coach under Arians he was moved from QB coach to RBs coach for someone else (Byron Leftwich?), and apparently Kitchens wasn't very happy about this at all.
Almost sounds like perhaps Arians and Kitchens wouldn't be a perfect match, after all?
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From Terry......
This is the NFL. Three games are left in the season. A lot can change.
So this is not a plea for the Browns to immediately hire Williams for 2019.
But it is to consider the fact that Williams comes across as an experienced head coach who has brought order and a sense of purpose to a team desperately in need of those things. ........
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Yes this is the "what have you done for me lately" NFL -but- Williams is building a decent book and just who might be a better choice? A college coach from OKL?
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From Terry......
This is the NFL. Three games are left in the season. A lot can change.
So this is not a plea for the Browns to immediately hire Williams for 2019.
But it is to consider the fact that Williams comes across as an experienced head coach who has brought order and a sense of purpose to a team desperately in need of those things. ........
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Yes this is the "what have you done for me lately" NFL -but- Williams is building a decent book and just who might be a better choice? A college coach from OKL?
Yes this is the "what have you done for me lately" NFL -but- Williams is building a decent book and just who might be a better choice? A college coach from OKL?
Please not the coach from a very weak Big XII compared to times past. He knows nothing about running an NFL level defense. They hardly know anything about running a college level defense.
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But right now, I feel better about these coaches than trying an untested coordinator who has never sat in the seat of a head coach before.
We could do a lot worse than Williams.
One other quote caught my eye...
It’s also obvious the players are in a good place with him.
As close as Dorsey seems to be to his players, I have to believe how "good" the feedback he is getting on Gregg will go far in determining Gregg's chances of staying. It's not unusual for GM's to seek feedback from key players, but Dorsey strikes me as one who would lean even more on this input.
Not that I see a LBJ situation developing with a single player having total control over who coaches, obviously foremost of the Browns players is Baker. After Baker's critique of Hue's "genuineness" a lot will depend on his specific feedback to Dorsey. Hard for me to imagine it being anything, but positive at this point.
What I am unsure of is who on the D would be John's primary source. Myles is "the star", but doesn't seem to be the guy to give unvarnished feedback. Same for Schobert... Collins could be out the door, so scratch him. Randall may be the best bet especially given his relationship with Dorsey's ex-Packer sidekicks.
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But right now, I feel better about these coaches than trying an untested coordinator who has never sat in the seat of a head coach before.
We could do a lot worse than Williams.
One other quote caught my eye...
It’s also obvious the players are in a good place with him.
As close as Dorsey seems to be to his players, I have to believe how "good" the feedback he is getting on Gregg will go far in determining Gregg's chances of staying. It's not unusual for GM's to seek feedback from key players, but Dorsey strikes me as one who would lean even more on this input.
Not that I see a LBJ situation developing with a single player having total control over who coaches, obviously foremost of the Browns players is Baker. After Baker's critique of Hue's "genuineness" a lot will depend on his specific feedback to Dorsey. Hard for me to imagine it being anything, but positive at this point.
What I am unsure of is who on the D would be John's primary source. Myles is "the star", but doesn't seem to be the guy to give unvarnished feedback. Same for Schobert... Collins could be out the door, so scratch him. Randall may be the best bet especially given his relationship with Dorsey's ex-Packer sidekicks.
We could do a lot worse than Williams.
One other quote caught my eye...
As close as Dorsey seems to be to his players, I have to believe how "good" the feedback he is getting on Gregg will go far in determining Gregg's chances of staying. It's not unusual for GM's to seek feedback from key players, but Dorsey strikes me as one who would lean even more on this input.
Not that I see a LBJ situation developing with a single player having total control over who coaches, obviously foremost of the Browns players is Baker. After Baker's critique of Hue's "genuineness" a lot will depend on his specific feedback to Dorsey. Hard for me to imagine it being anything, but positive at this point.
What I am unsure of is who on the D would be John's primary source. Myles is "the star", but doesn't seem to be the guy to give unvarnished feedback. Same for Schobert... Collins could be out the door, so scratch him. Randall may be the best bet especially given his relationship with Dorsey's ex-Packer sidekicks.
I agree Schobert and Myles are just too young and inexperienced to be sources of major feedback other than what other players are telling them. Randall seems to be in the best position to provide both experience and player feedback.
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Saturday morning of the Broncos game
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Today
since kitchens took over we have been amazing in the red zone
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From Terry.....
Rookies Sam Darnold, Josh Allen and Josh Rosen have combined to start 31 games.
Those three have combined for only 16 red zone TD passes...the same as Mayfield.
That’s why it’s been so exciting to watch Mayfield – he has a way of moving his team across the goal line. He’s doing it like a veteran quarterback......
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Stunning stat, of the class of 2018 Mayfield has vaulted to the front with his "oh wow" factor, should be the AFC offensive rookie of the year hands down. Best quarterback class since the class of 1983 some 35 years ago? Might be, time will tell.
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From Terry.....
Rookies Sam Darnold, Josh Allen and Josh Rosen have combined to start 31 games.
Those three have combined for only 16 red zone TD passes...the same as Mayfield.
That’s why it’s been so exciting to watch Mayfield – he has a way of moving his team across the goal line. He’s doing it like a veteran quarterback......
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Stunning stat, of the class of 2018 Mayfield has vaulted to the front with his "oh wow" factor, should be the AFC offensive rookie of the year hands down. Best quarterback class since the class of 1983 some 35 years ago? Might be, time will tell.
From Terry.....
Rookies Sam Darnold, Josh Allen and Josh Rosen have combined to start 31 games.
Those three have combined for only 16 red zone TD passes...the same as Mayfield.
That’s why it’s been so exciting to watch Mayfield – he has a way of moving his team across the goal line. He’s doing it like a veteran quarterback......
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Stunning stat, of the class of 2018 Mayfield has vaulted to the front with his "oh wow" factor, should be the AFC offensive rookie of the year hands down. Best quarterback class since the class of 1983 some 35 years ago? Might be, time will tell.
Or, 2004. Three possible HOFers from there: Eli/BR/Rivers. 1983 had the same number of HOFers...Kelly, Elway/Marino. 1983 had another pretty good QB: Ken O'Brien.....and another that did take his team to a Super Bowl: Eason. Todd Blackledge was the bust of that group.
The years in which 4 or more QBs were taken in the first round:
2018: Mayfield, Darnold, Allen, Rosen, Jackson
2012: Luck, Griffin, Tannehill, Weeden
2011: Newton, Locker, Gabbert, Ponder
2004: Eli, Rivers, Ben R. JP Losman
2003: Palmer, Leftwich, Boller, Grossman
1999: Couch, Akili Smith, McNabb, Culpepper, McNown
1987: Testaverde, Stouffer, Miller, Jim Harbaugh
1983: Elway, Blackledge, Kelly, Eason, O/Brien, Marino........only the second year in which 2 HOF QB drafted in round one.
HOF in Bold. 2004 could have 2-3 HOF...
The ONLY other year in which 2 HOF QBs were taken in round one of the same draft was 1948....Bobby Layne and Y.A. Tittle.
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Today
since kitchens took over we have been amazing in the red zone
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Great Stuff Steve. ?
Thanks for keeping up with TP and posting it here for all of us.?
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Pregame Scribbles the Last Time of the Season.
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Pregame Scribbles the Last Time of the Season.
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Pregame Scribbles the Last Time of the Season.
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"But the Ravens special teams are the difference."
The one area of this team that is not anywhere what it should be with the athletes we have on this team.
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Speaking of special teams here is Terry's take on that
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Speaking of special teams here is Terry's take on that
Speaking of special teams here is Terry's take on that
"I don’t know why Hue Jackson hired Jones."
Because he is Hueless the Clueless.
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On point 3, I read this as the NFL is blacklisting GW from a HC job league wide
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