Let the DA vs. Quinn debate begin
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As I know the debate is only going to start to go even more, I am gonna put this up now as an apple to apple.
DA in his first NFL start (which I will acknowlede was againt PIT in 2006):
21/37, 276 yards, 7.5 Y/A, 1 TD, 1 INT, 0 sacks, 1 FUM, 1 FUM Lost
CLE scored a total of 7 points.
BQ in his first NFL start (against DEN in 2008):
23/35, 239 yards, 6.9 Y/A, 2 TD, 0 INT, 0 sacks, 0 FUM, 0 FUM lost
CLE scored a total of 30 points.
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then what, draft a #2 qb?
roll with just he and dorsey? it goes w/out saying this league requires a lot from that position.
if DA can stomach it, i'd like to see them both on this team for as long as possible. DA would make a great #2.
bird in the hand........
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I'd say,
QB#1 is Quinn
QB#2 is Dorsey
QB#3 is Cribbs
Here's the NFL Network post-game analysis video. They thought he did everything right.
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then what, draft a #2 qb?roll with just he and dorsey? it goes w/out saying this league requires a lot from that position.
if DA can stomach it, i'd like to see them both on this team for as long as possible. DA would make a great #2.
bird in the hand........
A great number 2 making number 1 salary? Ain't goina happen.
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Quinn is the future of the Browns. DA will be traded for sure. Keep Dorsey as backup. Lets face it, we have ZERO chance for playoffs so just use the rest of the season as training for our franchise QB.
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then what, draft a #2 qb?roll with just he and dorsey? it goes w/out saying this league requires a lot from that position.
if DA can stomach it, i'd like to see them both on this team for as long as possible. DA would make a great #2.
bird in the hand........
A great number 2 making number 1 salary? Ain't goina happen.
besides, he's already bought and paid for through 2010 to the tune of 10 mil.....what's the problem?
why spend a pick on one or invest the time in someone new? it should come down to if anyone offers anything for him. like i said, if he can stomach being 2nd fiddle.......
and ocon recon, i remember your view on QB's. and i still can't believe after all we've witnessed thus far regarding the QB position you're still willing to mortgage an 800 million dollar franchise by being a tight ass. ridiculoid. but hey, as long as the o-line is sound it'd be a-okay, right?
QB#1 is Quinn
QB#2 is Dorsey
QB#3 is Cribbs
yikes!!
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then what, draft a #2 qb?roll with just he and dorsey? it goes w/out saying this league requires a lot from that position.
if DA can stomach it, i'd like to see them both on this team for as long as possible. DA would make a great #2.
bird in the hand........
A great number 2 making number 1 salary? Ain't goina happen.
besides, he's already bought and paid for through 2010. what's the problem?
until you burn off that 10 mil guaranteed they shouldn't spend a pick on one or invest the time in someone new so it should come down to if anyone offers anything for him. like i said, if he can stomach being 2nd fiddle.......
Paying a backup 26 mil is dumber than hell!
They have to get rid of him so that that cap room can go to a starting player that we draft!
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a great #2?\ said:
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then what, draft a #2 qb?roll with just he and dorsey? it goes w/out saying this league requires a lot from that position.
if DA can stomach it, i'd like to see them both on this team for as long as possible. DA would make a great #2.
bird in the hand........
A great number 2 making number 1 salary? Ain't goina happen.
besides, he's already bought and paid for through 2010. what's the problem?
until you burn off that 10 mil guaranteed they shouldn't spend a pick on one or invest the time in someone new so it should come down to if anyone offers anything for him. like i said, if he can stomach being 2nd fiddle.......
He is not paid for threw 2010. DA is owed a roster bonus of 5M in March. Basically 8M was for this year alone.
The Browns gave Anderson a $7 million signing bonus this year, plus a salary of $950,000 in 2008. In 2009, he's due a roster bonus of $5 million if he makes the team, with a salary of $1.45 million. In 2010, he's due a roster bonus of $2 million if he makes the team, plus $7.45 million in salary. So Anderson makes $7.95 million this year, and if the Browns cut him after the season, the contract will be null and void and the team won't owe him anything. The only remnant of the deal with be a $4.67-million salary-cap charge on the Browns' 2009 cap, the amount of the pro-rated signing bonus assigned to the last two years of the contract for accounting purposes. "
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/w ... ek5/4.html
That is a lot if he is gonna be the back up. If he'll redo the deal, then you keep him.
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yup, 5 mil for a backup. if we don't pay it someone has to. show me someone willing to do that and we have a conversation. until then, it's calculated into the books and accounted for. there's no room in this league for pinching pennies over a 3rd year guy with 24 starts. it is what it is. let the accountants worry about the bottom line.\ said:
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masters the 7 mil bonus was basically back pay for the 10-6 season-it's in the rear view now. you think they would rather take that cap hit and start looking? i think it comes down to how successfully they can shop him.
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there's still a cap hit--what's the difference? they committed to the 10 mil guaranteed, whether it's on the front or the back, regardless of how the contract is layed out.
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yup, 5 mil for a backup. if we don't pay it someone has to. show me someone willing to do that and we have a conversation. until then, it's calculated into the books and accounted for. there's no room in this league for pinching pennies over a 3rd year guy with 24 starts. it is what it is. let the accountants worry about the bottom line.\ said:
5 mil for a backup?The hit against the cap next year, and only next year, is a little less than 5M if CLE cuts him before the bonus of 5M is due in March. You keep him, CLE is basically paying him 6.5M to be a back up (5M roster bonus and 1.45M in salary). That is easily two new guys on D next year. You can get an vet back up for less.
As you noted, it all comes down to if CLE can trade him for something.
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yep... now that Quinn is playing the salarys is higher
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NOT FOR THE 5 Million there isn't!!!!!!! The cap hit is breaking down the original bonus over the life of the contract, instead of having had it count against us in the first year....These are those things the "accountants" already understand, and why everyone but you seems to understand why Anderson is unlikely to be kept if Quinn continues to play solidly....
Nor for the 7 mil in salary in 2010?
BTW did you listen to ANY of the commentators who also say, "there is no way Cleveland can afford to keep both these QBs on the roster"...I guess they don't know anything either?
Ding, ding, ding.
In a nut shell, read the King article I posted or the one by the guy on Sporting News.
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yep... now that Quinn is playing the salarys is higherAnd of course there is that. But, at least for this year, his big jump can't kick in because he needed to take at least 55% of the snaps. Which can't happen since he started in the 9th game. Which makes you wonder if the delay in starting him was financially based (god I hope not).
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yep... now that Quinn is playing the salarys is higherAnd of course there is that. But, at least for this year, his big jump can't kick in because he needed to take at least 55% of the snaps. Which can't happen since he started in the 9th game. Which makes you wonder if the delay in starting him was financially based (god I hope not).
Is it based on snaps or games!... da had alot of 3 and outs! ide say there is still a chance
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You explain this cap crap so much better than I do...I barely understand it...and yet I find people who know less every day....Well, in all fairness, I do take from sources that explain it. I just happen to be able to manage to comprehend some of it, sometimes. It's not rocket science, but is sure is a lot of fuzzy math.
People just to many times assume they know it and understand it, based on a quick 3 second comment on TV. That only works in the NBA and MLB where they are guaranteed contracts and soft caps.
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yep... now that Quinn is playing the salarys is higherAnd of course there is that. But, at least for this year, his big jump can't kick in because he needed to take at least 55% of the snaps. Which can't happen since he started in the 9th game. Which makes you wonder if the delay in starting him was financially based (god I hope not).
Is it based on snaps or games!... da had alot of 3 and outs! ide say there is still a chance
It's truly games for that very reason.
And JADBF, yeah, we don't even want to go there on if Brady not coming in sooner being about money.
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