Kitchens And Williams
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I don't think this is a possibility. Like you said, I only see Kitchens keeping the job as OC and Williams staying at HC.
I don't know why the offensive mind has to be the HC even if we have a franchise QB in Mayfield and I don't see any team hiring Kitchens as HC after only 8 games as OC.
I don't think this is a possibility. Like you said, I only see Kitchens keeping the job as OC and Williams staying at HC.
I don't know why the offensive mind has to be the HC even if we have a franchise QB in Mayfield and I don't see any team hiring Kitchens as HC after only 8 games as OC.
because there is thought in some quarters that Kitchens stock is rising very quickly, and even if he's OC, he could be interviewed and hired as a head coach in the future.
If you want to keep Kitchens, perhaps at the expense of Greg Williams, then the thinking goes to hire him as HC. This especially appeals to the people that want an offensive minded head coach.Hope has two beautiful daughters: Their names are Anger and Courage. Anger that things are the way they are. Courage to make them the way they ought to be. - St. Augustine. Throughout the centuries there were men who took first steps down new roads armed with nothing but their vision. - Ayn Rand -
I think we can hold on to kitchens as an OC
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
I believe the best foot forward is the combination of Gregg Williams, the present, and Freddie Kitchens, the future. Name Williams the head coach and Kitchens the Associate Head Coach, with the belief he'll take over after Williams. Give them both pay raises and let Williams slide into some sort of front office situation when he's done coaching. He's had three decades in the NFL, there is value with that.Go outside the box. Josh McDaniels is the Patriots next coach but Bill Belichick is their current Head Coach. Ozzie Newsome is General Manager Emeritus and will slide into another front office role next season, when the current Ravens' AGM takes over.The Browns have not gone 5-2 over a seven game stretch since the start of the 1993 season (the 2014 season they started 5-3 and finished abysmally). Whatever is happening now is working and the most Browns thing to do would be to try to get too cute and overthink the situation.I'd hate to see either one leave, I really appreciate the winning.
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I don't think this is a possibility. Like you said, I only see Kitchens keeping the job as OC and Williams staying at HC.
I don't know why the offensive mind has to be the HC even if we have a franchise QB in Mayfield and I don't see any team hiring Kitchens as HC after only 8 games as OC.
because there is thought in some quarters that Kitchens stock is rising very quickly, and even if he's OC, he could be interviewed and hired as a head coach in the future.
If you want to keep Kitchens, perhaps at the expense of Greg Williams, then the thinking goes to hire him as HC. This especially appeals to the people that want an offensive minded head coach.because there is thought in some quarters that Kitchens stock is rising very quickly, and even if he's OC, he could be interviewed and hired as a head coach in the future.
If you want to keep Kitchens, perhaps at the expense of Greg Williams, then the thinking goes to hire him as HC. This especially appeals to the people that want an offensive minded head coach.I don't see any team that desperate.
He has led the offense 8 games, no playoffs, no miracles that make you think of a consistent offensive mastermind. He is new so there's not much tape on his offense and everyone knows so.
I love the guy, but not even we know what his caliber is as an OC (though he's promising).
And I've seen enough Defensive HC matchup with good QBs for a nice successful run, so the offensive masstermind is not a must.
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I think we can hold on to kitchens as an OC
for a year or two?
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because there is thought in some quarters that Kitchens stock is rising very quickly, and even if he's OC, he could be interviewed and hired as a head coach in the future.
If you want to keep Kitchens, perhaps at the expense of Greg Williams, then the thinking goes to hire him as HC. This especially appeals to the people that want an offensive minded head coach.I don't see any team that desperate.
He has led the offense 8 games, no playoffs, no miracles that make you think of a consistent offensive mastermind. He is new so there's not much tape on his offense and everyone knows so.
I love the guy, but not even we know what his caliber is as an OC (though he's promising).
And I've seen enough Defensive HC matchup with good QBs for a nice successful run, so the offensive masstermind is not a must.
I don't see any team that desperate.
He has led the offense 8 games, no playoffs, no miracles that make you think of a consistent offensive mastermind. He is new so there's not much tape on his offense and everyone knows so.
I love the guy, but not even we know what his caliber is as an OC (though he's promising).
And I've seen enough Defensive HC matchup with good QBs for a nice successful run, so the offensive masstermind is not a must.
obviously he has been doing a great job with haley's playbook,doe's he continue with that or come up with something of his own
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I don't see any team that desperate.
He has led the offense 8 games, no playoffs, no miracles that make you think of a consistent offensive mastermind. He is new so there's not much tape on his offense and everyone knows so.
I love the guy, but not even we know what his caliber is as an OC (though he's promising).
And I've seen enough Defensive HC matchup with good QBs for a nice successful run, so the offensive masstermind is not a must.
obviously he has been doing a great job with haley's playbook,doe's he continue with that or come up with something of his own
obviously he has been doing a great job with haley's playbook,doe's he continue with that or come up with something of his own
They all pretty much run the same plays. Working with the QB and setting up a offensive game plan that works is cool and all but does not mean HC. Maybe down the road. As far as being able to keep him like others worry about, that’s easy.....$$$$$$$$pay the man enough and he stays.
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I don't think this is a possibility. Like you said, I only see Kitchens keeping the job as OC and Williams staying at HC.
I don't know why the offensive mind has to be the HC even if we have a franchise QB in Mayfield and I don't see any team hiring Kitchens as HC after only 8 games as OC.
because there is thought in some quarters that Kitchens stock is rising very quickly, and even if he's OC, he could be interviewed and hired as a head coach in the future.
If you want to keep Kitchens, perhaps at the expense of Greg Williams, then the thinking goes to hire him as HC. This especially appeals to the people that want an offensive minded head coach.because there is thought in some quarters that Kitchens stock is rising very quickly, and even if he's OC, he could be interviewed and hired as a head coach in the future.
If you want to keep Kitchens, perhaps at the expense of Greg Williams, then the thinking goes to hire him as HC. This especially appeals to the people that want an offensive minded head coach.I agree. Maybe it wouldn't be this year, but Freddy will get a HC gig soon. The only way we keep him is to hire him as HC this year, even if it might be a year soon.
I don't agree that Gregg wouldn't stay, though we would probably have to give him a title promotion to associate HC and a nice raise in pay. Even if we don't keep Williams, my hope is Haslam shows his appreciation and gives him a half a mil bonus....if that is possible.
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because there is thought in some quarters that Kitchens stock is rising very quickly, and even if he's OC, he could be interviewed and hired as a head coach in the future.
If you want to keep Kitchens, perhaps at the expense of Greg Williams, then the thinking goes to hire him as HC. This especially appeals to the people that want an offensive minded head coach.I agree. Maybe it wouldn't be this year, but Freddy will get a HC gig soon. The only way we keep him is to hire him as HC this year, even if it might be a year soon.
I don't agree that Gregg wouldn't stay, though we would probably have to give him a title promotion to associate HC and a nice raise in pay. Even if we don't keep Williams, my hope is Haslam shows his appreciation and gives him a half a mil bonus....if that is possible.
I agree. Maybe it wouldn't be this year, but Freddy will get a HC gig soon. The only way we keep him is to hire him as HC this year, even if it might be a year soon.
I don't agree that Gregg wouldn't stay, though we would probably have to give him a title promotion to associate HC and a nice raise in pay. Even if we don't keep Williams, my hope is Haslam shows his appreciation and gives him a half a mil bonus....if that is possible.
I think we can keep the staff as is pretty much intact this next year. Kitchens is doing a fine job but I gotta ask, how much of that is due to a HC that works with him as well as the QB. On his own, he might not be all that
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I agree. Maybe it wouldn't be this year, but Freddy will get a HC gig soon. The only way we keep him is to hire him as HC this year, even if it might be a year soon.
I don't agree that Gregg wouldn't stay, though we would probably have to give him a title promotion to associate HC and a nice raise in pay. Even if we don't keep Williams, my hope is Haslam shows his appreciation and gives him a half a mil bonus....if that is possible.
I think we can keep the staff as is pretty much intact this next year. Kitchens is doing a fine job but I gotta ask, how much of that is due to a HC that works with him as well as the QB. On his own, he might not be all that
I think we can keep the staff as is pretty much intact this next year. Kitchens is doing a fine job but I gotta ask, how much of that is due to a HC that works with him as well as the QB. On his own, he might not be all that
Just don't fuk around. Promote Freddy to assistant head coach if you have to throw him a bone.
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I think we can keep the staff as is pretty much intact this next year. Kitchens is doing a fine job but I gotta ask, how much of that is due to a HC that works with him as well as the QB. On his own, he might not be all that
Just don't fuk around. Promote Freddy to assistant head coach if you have to throw him a bone.
WSS
Just don't fuk around. Promote Freddy to assistant head coach if you have to throw him a bone.
WSS
Sure, plus some extra moonshine too
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I wonder... how close to DC-ready is Blake Williams???
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I wonder... how close to DC-ready is Blake Williams???
How’s the D doing? He’s running it now.
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How’s the D doing? He’s running it now.
And planning it?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
How’s the D doing? He’s running it now.
And planning it?
And planning it?
According to the PD and all the others. Blake is DC with input from Gregg as Freddy is OC with input from Gregg. Williams is an experienced head coach and shows it
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How’s the D doing? He’s running it now.
And planning it?
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If it ain't broke.. Lets not fix it...
But what does that entail?
Haslam walks into Dorsey's office and says, "I don't want you to hire your own coach. I want Williams as HC and Kitchens as OC."
Then Dorsey walks into Williams' office and says, "You can be the HC but you can't hire your own OC. It has to be Kitchens."
How do ya go about it? Without it being a shotgun marriage?
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