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    cccjwhC cccjwh wrote on last edited by
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    Doesn't something have to be raveled, before it can become unraveled?

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      Pres Trump is bound to have more turnover - with the UNPRECEDENTED open belligerence, harrassment and threats, even in public,

      to WH employees, and their FAMILIES.

      A Blue Wave of Violence and Death Threats Against Republicans ...

      https://ivn.us/2018/10/08/a-blue-wave-of-violence-and-threats-against-republicans/
      Oct 8, 2018 - A Blue Wave of Violence and Death Threats Against Republicans ... numbers and health information of two of the senators' children as well:.

      Violent threats from the left aimed at Republicans are growing -- When ...

      https://www.foxnews.com/.../violent-threats-from-the-left-aimed-at-republicans-are-gro...
      Jul 30, 2018 - Last week, a man was indicted for threatening to kill Republican Rep. ... in Oakland after a crowd thought he was a member of the Proud Boys, ...

      Laurence Wayne Key, Democrat activist, arrested for threatening to kill ...

      https://www.washingtontimes.com/.../laurence-wayne-key-democrat-activist-arrested-t...
      Jun 28, 2018 - ... of a Republican -- or, to be more specific, a Republican's children. ... Authorities say a Florida man has been arrested after threatening Rep.

      Congressmen face death threats from anti-Trump #Resistance ...

      https://www.washingtontimes.com/.../republicans-congress-face-death-threats-anti-tru...
      May 24, 2018 - Anti-Trump forces threaten lawmakers' lives in name of #Resistance ... Most of the targets have been Republican lawmakers, who are in the ...
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        Death threats target Brett Kavanaugh's family, Christine Blasey Ford

        https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/...threats.../1371995002/
        Sep 20, 2018 - A steady stream of violent threats have targeted those involved in the ... buildings Thursday to protest Republicans' handling of the sexual assault ... "May you, your husband and your kids burn in hell," one message read.
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          C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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          https://wtop.com/congress/2018/10/i-own-everything-senators-childrens-health-social-security-info-threatened-in-email/

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            cccjwhC cccjwh wrote on last edited by
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            Sir Spams-a-lot, is back at it again. <Prepare from some memes>

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              Diehard is so mad about mattis. 

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                From that bastion of liberals, military times' report of more BS from ?? 

                https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2018/12/27/in-iraq-visit-trump-makes-false-claim-about-military-pay-again/

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                  T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by TexasAg1969
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                  And he exposes the location and faces of Seal Team 5 members on twitter. 

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                    C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by calfoxwc
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                    as we depart from the previous tawdry fake newsburst above,

                    back at Real America Reality Ranch:

                    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=&amp;esrc=s&amp;source=web&amp;cd=11&amp;cad=rja&amp;uact=8&amp;ved=2ahUKEwju8JLTucHfAhXI7oMKHeyYCtc4ChAWMAB6BAgJEAE&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Fnews%2F2018-12-27%2Ffake-news-trump-did-not-expose-covert-seal-team-iraq-say-special-forces-vets&amp;usg=AOvVaw0w7O-jjzBOLL5YlgkZuobC

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                    It's the latest outrage fail after over a week of "outrage!" including Trump's announcing the pullout of all American forces from Syria, a major reduction of troops from Afghanistan eventually leading to a full withdrawal, and his telling a seven-year old that belief in Santa is "marginal" at that age. During Trump's Wednesday surprise Christmas visit to US troops in Iraq, he posed for a photo op with a Navy SEAL team deployed to Iraq; and after flying out of Baghdad posted the video to Twitter, yet the video was uploaded before the SEAL team members' faces could be blurred out to protect their identities according to protocol. 

                    .@FLOTUS Melania and I were honored to visit our incredible troops at Al Asad Air Base in Iraq. GOD BLESS THE U.S.A.! pic.twitter.com/rDlhITDvm1

                    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 26, 2018

                    This immediately prompted howls and headlines that Trump exposed "covert" and "classified" ops from pundits and the media; however, a number of military and special forces experts, including some members of American special forces themselves quickly pointed out this was hugely exaggerated given that SEAL team 5 — the unit Trump posed with while they wore full combat gear and night vision goggles — is a "white" unit (meaning not classified), whose deployment with Combined Joint Special Operations Task Force Iraq (CJSOTF-I) is public knowledge.

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                      C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                      https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-27/fake-news-trump-did-not-expose-covert-seal-team-iraq-say-special-forces-vets

                      Task & Purpose notes that while photographing deployed special forces troops is not ideal, it in no way constitutes revealing "covert ops" as many of the headlines are now claiming.

                      “Is it a secret that these guys are out there in that part of the world? No,” a defense official told Task & Purpose on condition of anonymity. “It’s been a little more sensationalized than we would’ve hoped.”

                      The military analysis site explains: 

                      As it stands, the vast majority missions carried out by U.S. special operations forces are non-statutory clandestine operations under Title 10 rather than explicitly (and legally) covert operations under Title 50; OPSEC, in the case of the former, is usually designed to conceal an operation for tactical purposes rather than fully embrace the level of plausible deniability usually referred to spies. In this context, the only true “covert” operation carried out by U.S. special operations forces was the SEAL Team 6 raid on Osama Bin Laden’s compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, in 2011.

                      Simply belonging to a SEAL Team doesn’t make your every move “covert,” especially if you’re hanging out in the DFAC during the commander-in-chief’s visit.

                      All of this is to say that if SEAL Team 5 was deployed to Iraq on a covert mission, there’s no way in hell anyone, including conventional U.S. forces, would likely know they were there. I mean, Lt. Lee, the SEAL chaplain, was identified as a member of SEAL Team 5 in the public pool report and photographed by Agence France-Presse. No commander on an actual “covert” mission would ever let that happen, no matter how amped they are to hang out with the commander-in-chief, given the gravity surrounding Title 50 activities; even letting personnel engage with the commander-in-chief in public completely negates the plausible deniability that supposedly comes with covert operations.

                      This may seem like a pedantic argument, but it’s an important one, especially for matters of civil-military engagement. But make no mistake: Revealing the identities of SOF personnel is still bad news, even if they’re not tasked with a real “covert” mission.

                      So ultimately we just witnessed another 24-hour Trump outrage news cycle dominated by total hype, extreme overstatement, and sensationalism driven by willed ignorance and reflexive anti-Trumping — all of which of course leads to further bad analysis. 

                      And we don't expect any mainstream media corrections to be issued after such deep investment in the fake story. 

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                        BREAKING: The Air Force issues statement on phony MAGA hat “controversy” and CNN owes Trump a big apology

                        https://therightscoop.com/breaking-the-air-force-issues-statement-on-phony-maga-hat-controversy-and-cnn-owes-trump-a-big-apology/

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                          C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                          libs love false narratives that emotionally may sway other people to their cultish ways.

                          No workee.

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                            as we depart from the previous tawdry fake newsburst above,

                            back at Real America Reality Ranch:

                            https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=&amp;esrc=s&amp;source=web&amp;cd=11&amp;cad=rja&amp;uact=8&amp;ved=2ahUKEwju8JLTucHfAhXI7oMKHeyYCtc4ChAWMAB6BAgJEAE&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Fnews%2F2018-12-27%2Ffake-news-trump-did-not-expose-covert-seal-team-iraq-say-special-forces-vets&amp;usg=AOvVaw0w7O-jjzBOLL5YlgkZuobC

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                            It's the latest outrage fail after over a week of "outrage!" including Trump's announcing the pullout of all American forces from Syria, a major reduction of troops from Afghanistan eventually leading to a full withdrawal, and his telling a seven-year old that belief in Santa is "marginal" at that age. During Trump's Wednesday surprise Christmas visit to US troops in Iraq, he posed for a photo op with a Navy SEAL team deployed to Iraq; and after flying out of Baghdad posted the video to Twitter, yet the video was uploaded before the SEAL team members' faces could be blurred out to protect their identities according to protocol. 

                            .@FLOTUS Melania and I were honored to visit our incredible troops at Al Asad Air Base in Iraq. GOD BLESS THE U.S.A.! pic.twitter.com/rDlhITDvm1

                            — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 26, 2018

                            This immediately prompted howls and headlines that Trump exposed "covert" and "classified" ops from pundits and the media; however, a number of military and special forces experts, including some members of American special forces themselves quickly pointed out this was hugely exaggerated given that SEAL team 5 — the unit Trump posed with while they wore full combat gear and night vision goggles — is a "white" unit (meaning not classified), whose deployment with Combined Joint Special Operations Task Force Iraq (CJSOTF-I) is public knowledge.

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                            jbluhm86J jbluhm86 wrote on last edited by jbluhm86
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                            @calfoxwc said:

                            as we depart from the previous tawdry fake newsburst above,

                            back at Real America Reality Ranch:

                            https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=&amp;esrc=s&amp;source=web&amp;cd=11&amp;cad=rja&amp;uact=8&amp;ved=2ahUKEwju8JLTucHfAhXI7oMKHeyYCtc4ChAWMAB6BAgJEAE&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Fnews%2F2018-12-27%2Ffake-news-trump-did-not-expose-covert-seal-team-iraq-say-special-forces-vets&amp;usg=AOvVaw0w7O-jjzBOLL5YlgkZuobC

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                            @calfoxwc said:

                            https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-27/fake-news-trump-did-not-expose-covert-seal-team-iraq-say-special-forces-vets

                            Tyler Durden as a source, lol.

                            I am Jack's complete lack of surprise...

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                              C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                              any source that tells the truth is a bad source to liberals.

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                                any source that tells the truth is a bad source to liberals.

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                                @calfoxwc said:

                                any source that tells the truth is a bad source to liberals.

                                You should look up the name "Tyler Durden" and then you might understand my skepticism on your source. 

                                "That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson
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                                  any source that tells the truth is a bad source to liberals.

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                                  @calfoxwc said:

                                  any source that tells the truth is a bad source to liberals.

                                  Tyler Durden.. ? 

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                                    jbluhm86J jbluhm86 wrote on last edited by jbluhm86
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                                    Rules of Cal-posting

                                    1. You do not check your sources
                                    2. You DO NOT check your sources
                                    3. Any source is valid as long as it fits your narrative
                                    4. If you see a post from MLD Woody, you have to make a woodpecker reference
                                    5. Threads are to be deleted if you get backed into a corner and can't bullsh.it your way out
                                    6. You are the hero in every personal anecdotal story you post
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                                      Rules of Cal-posting

                                      1. You do not check your sources
                                      2. You DO NOT check your sources
                                      3. Any source is valid as long as it fits your narrative
                                      4. If you see a post from MLD Woody, you have to make a woodpecker reference
                                      5. Threads are to be deleted if you get backed into a corner and can't bullsh.it your way out
                                      6. You are the hero in every personal anecdotal story you post
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                                      C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                                      @jbluhm86 said:

                                      Rules of Cal-posting

                                      1. You do not check your sources
                                      2. You DO NOT check your sources
                                      3. Any source is valid as long as it fits your narrative
                                      4. If you see a post from MLD Woody, you have to make a woodpecker reference
                                      5. Threads are to be deleted if you get backed into a corner and can't bullsh.it your way out
                                      6. You are the hero in every personal anecdotal story you post

                                      A. JblewObaMao, I don't have time to check out all the links. Yes, I don't know who tyler durbin is at all.
                                      But the substance of the argument that it is false news is also everywhere, asswhole.

                                      B. You don't check yours, either - msnbc, cnn, Trump hating comedians,

                                      C. Surely, you lick Maddow's toes. Some reference for you, nutjob.

                                      D. I haven't said "woodpecker" in a good while, moron. Are you really THAT stupid? I only respond when Woody does his stupid retort crap. Woody doesn't need you to be his gay lover bodyguard pervert. Or.....are you like that anyways? wait, don't tell me.

                                      E. I haven't deleted threads in a long time, JblewMoochelle's rearend. When I did that before, it was just about crap being spewed into a thread to try to blow the subject up and divert it, you really wanna keep bein a whiniey beetach like your higgardly? eeesh.

                                      F. I'm a hero....really? Like when I make fun of myself in my King Arthur medieval fiction story? Like when I posted back to TexAg about getting our little jeep jobbie stuck in old "marble" sand on a deserted beach in Hawaii? I was not the hero of my story about nearly dying in a spring when I was a kid. I've told that a few times over the years.  How was I a hero when I fell out in our garden at night in the rain, and dislocated my shoulder and completely tore a rotator cuff ligament completely apart?

                                         I think you, jblew, suck of arrogance and dishonesty to try to be a bigshot on the board. Oh, and jealously. You only WISH you had any kind of life where you could share stories.

                                      Trust me - I could tell a few stories where I most certainly was a "hero" to a lot of people. Only my close friends have ever heard them.

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                                        so, once again, I'll list more than one link to tell the other side of the story.

                                        https://taskandpurpose.com/trump-reveals-navy-seals-iraq

                                        You may have heard that President Donald Trump recently posted a video revealing a "covert" Navy SEAL Team in Iraq, and well, that's kinda bullshit.

                                        In a report titled "Donald Trump Twitter Account Video Reveals Covert U.S. Navy SEAL Deployment During Iraq Visit," Newsweek's James LaPorta noted that footage taken during Trump's confab with service members and published on his Twitter account appeared to show the president chatting with members of SEAL Team 5, whose presence in Iraq was previously unreported.

                                        "After Air Force One left the Iraqi airspace, Trump posted a video to his Twitter account of his time spent with American forces during his visit to Iraq," Newsweek reported. "Lee Greenwood’s 'God Bless the USA,' plays over the video and shows the president and the first lady posing for pictures with service members that appear to be from SEAL Team Five. The special warfare operators are dressed in full battle gear and wearing night vision goggles. ... The video cuts to team members shaking the president’s hand before cutting to other special operations personnel and support troops."

                                         

                                        The Newsweek article itself isn't completely off base. The Pentagon hardly posts pictures of SEALs to its official visual imagery portal anymore and rarely talks about special operations units or deployments over operational security concerns.

                                        But the headline on the Newsweek article, with the term "covert," is what many people have taken issue with, and for good reason (it's worth noting here that most news organizations don't let authors choose their headlines, so this may not be LaPorta's fault).

                                        "Is it a secret that these guys are out there in that part of the world? No," a defense official told Task & Purpose on condition of anonymity. "It’s been a little more sensationalized than we would've hoped."

                                        "Covert" has a very specific definition under Title 50 of the United States Code, which makes it a matter of intelligence authority, focused primarily on the activities of state organs like the Central Intelligence Agency (with some input from the DoD); this is a direct contrast to Title 10 of the USC, which deals solely with military authority. Title 10 "is used colloquially to refer to DoD and military operations," as the Harvard National Security Journal puts it, while Title 50 "refers to intelligence agencies, intelligence activities, and covert action."

                                        While the two authorities detailed under Titles 10 and 50 aren't mutually exclusive, forces operating under Title 10 are explicitly prohibited from carrying out covert operations, instead relegated to clandestine activities which involve "the tactical concealment of the activity" and don't require an explicit notification of Congress, according to an April 2018 Congressional Research Service report.

                                        "By comparison, covert activities can be characterized as the strategic concealment of the United States’ sponsorship of activities that aim to effect change in the political, economic, military, or diplomatic behavior of an overseas target."

                                        As it stands, the vast majority missions carried out by U.S. special operations forces are non-statutory clandestine operations under Title 10 rather than explicitly (and legally) covert operations under Title 50; OPSEC, in the case of the former, is usually designed to conceal an operation for tactical purposes rather than fully embrace the level of plausible deniability usually referred to spies. In this context, the only true "covert" operation carried out by U.S. special operations forces was the SEAL Team 6 raid on Osama Bin Laden's compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, in 2011.

                                        Simply belonging to a SEAL Team doesn't make your every move "covert," especially if you're hanging out in the DFAC during the commander-in-chief's visit.

                                        All of this is to say that if SEAL Team 5 was deployed to Iraq on a covert mission, there's no way in hell anyone, including conventional U.S. forces, would likely know they were there. I mean, Lt. Lee, the SEAL chaplain, was identified as a member of SEAL Team 5 in the public pool report and photographed by Agence France-Presse. No commander on an actual "covert" mission would ever let that happen, no matter how amped they are to hang out with the commander-in-chief, given the gravity surrounding Title 50 activities; even letting personnel engage with the commander-in-chief in public completely negates the plausible deniability that supposedly comes with covert operations.

                                        This may seem like a pedantic argument, but it's an important one, especially for matters of civil-military engagement. But make no mistake: Revealing the identities of SOF personnel is still bad news, even if they're not tasked with a real "covert" mission.

                                        "Even during special operation demonstrations for congressional delegations or for the president or vice president, personnel either have their faces covered or their face is digitally blurred prior to a release to the general public,” as one DoD official told Newsweek. "I don't recall another time where special operation forces had to pose with their faces visible while serving in a war zone."

                                        On the upside, at least nobody left a whiteboard with troop movements sitting in the background.

                                        U.S. Special Operations Command and Naval Special Warfare Command did not respond to requests for comment from Task & Purpose.

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                                          Now, sissy jblewit, go look up Jared Keller.

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