Stallworth released early today for good behavior
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Birdog if you don't think there are perks in the legal system for those of wealth then you must have been living in never-never land your entire life...
Theres a huge difference in the outcome of criminal and civil cases when comparing public defenders and $400 per hour paid attorneys....
Big time attorneys have the resources to research case law and benchmark decisions wheras the over loaded public defender is basically there to insure that your constitutional rights are not violated.... This makes a huge difference in the sentenances handed out....
It's impossible to argue in the defense of a drunk driver... Talk to anyone who has lost a loved one to a drunk driver and you'll encounter some big time rage... I know I would want the SOB to be jailed for their lifetime....
My problem with my "self righteous" comment is that some are inferring that back room deals were struck in the Stallworth case and he's getting off with a mere slap on the wrist...The truth of the matter is that the man who was killed was completely in the wrong and if no alcohol was found in Stallworths system charges would not have even been filed....
The next time you're at an NFL game observe the people leaving the parking lot after the game.... A huge percentage of those driving are probably over the limit... Most make it home without an incident...Does that make them right, no it just makes them lucky....
Maybe if Donte would have caught more passes for our team some would be more compassionate with his situation... I stand by my statement though, self righteous people really scare the shit out of me... If the shoe fits then wear it, if not then just go on with your life....
peace
T.Dawg
Birdog if you don't think there are perks in the legal system for those of wealth then you must have been living in never-never land your entire life...
Theres a huge difference in the outcome of criminal and civil cases when comparing public defenders and $400 per hour paid attorneys....
Big time attorneys have the resources to research case law and benchmark decisions wheras the over loaded public defender is basically there to insure that your constitutional rights are not violated.... This makes a huge difference in the sentenances handed out....
It's impossible to argue in the defense of a drunk driver... Talk to anyone who has lost a loved one to a drunk driver and you'll encounter some big time rage... I know I would want the SOB to be jailed for their lifetime....
My problem with my "self righteous" comment is that some are inferring that back room deals were struck in the Stallworth case and he's getting off with a mere slap on the wrist...The truth of the matter is that the man who was killed was completely in the wrong and if no alcohol was found in Stallworths system charges would not have even been filed....
The next time you're at an NFL game observe the people leaving the parking lot after the game.... A huge percentage of those driving are probably over the limit... Most make it home without an incident...Does that make them right, no it just makes them lucky....
Maybe if Donte would have caught more passes for our team some would be more compassionate with his situation... I stand by my statement though, self righteous people really scare the shit out of me... If the shoe fits then wear it, if not then just go on with your life....
peace
T.Dawg
If he caught more passes maybe we would show more compassion? Are you kidding me? That's got to be one of the more asinine comments I have ever read. I wouldn't care if he won the super bowl for us - he should be spending time in prison. I never said there weren't perks in the legal system for the wealthy, we've all seen that in the past. My point was that he made a choice, the choice caused the death of someone. The sentence was too light as it was and then he gets out early - that's crazy! The saying that money talks is never more appropriate than it is in this case.
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Self righteous soldier boy. For the record I never accused you of drunk driving. I have been on multiple combat tours and served my country with pride. I will not be going AWOL. Were the Sarasota newpaper reporters on scene at the time of the accident, becuase I believe(correct me if i'm wrong) Stallworth himself said that he saw the man and had time to flash his lights at him. I don't know if the accident was avoidable or not, but it sounds like he had some time to me. Namecalling isnt very nice. I'm not going to get into a patriotic debate about how you or anyone else feelings about the govt. differ from mine.
Can somebone please explain to me what being in a soap box means???
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Self righteous soldier boy. For the record I never accused you of drunk driving. I have been on multiple combat tours and served my country with pride. I will not be going AWOL. Were the Sarasota newpaper reporters on scene at the time of the accident, becuase I believe(correct me if i'm wrong) Stallworth himself said that he saw the man and had time to flash his lights at him. I don't know if the accident was avoidable or not, but it sounds like he had some time to me. Namecalling isnt very nice. I'm not going to get into a patriotic debate about how you or anyone else feelings about the govt. differ from mine.
Can somebone please explain to me what being in a soap box means???
Self righteous soldier boy. For the record I never accused you of drunk driving. I have been on multiple combat tours and served my country with pride. I will not be going AWOL. Were the Sarasota newpaper reporters on scene at the time of the accident, becuase I believe(correct me if i'm wrong) Stallworth himself said that he saw the man and had time to flash his lights at him. I don't know if the accident was avoidable or not, but it sounds like he had some time to me. Namecalling isnt very nice. I'm not going to get into a patriotic debate about how you or anyone else feelings about the govt. differ from mine.
Can somebone please explain to me what being in a soap box means???
Yes, Stallworth said that. For all we know he may have been slowing down also. That doesn't change the fact that its been reported that Reyes did indeed step into the path of Stallworth. A lot of people here want to heap 100% of the blame onto Stallworth. Hate to say it, but the victim is just as much to blame if he did step into the path of Stallworth's car. Most normal people know better than to step in front of a car and assume they will stop, especially when they are NOT in a crosswalk.
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Self righteous soldier boy. For the record I never accused you of drunk driving. I have been on multiple combat tours and served my country with pride. I will not be going AWOL. Were the Sarasota newpaper reporters on scene at the time of the accident, becuase I believe(correct me if i'm wrong) Stallworth himself said that he saw the man and had time to flash his lights at him. I don't know if the accident was avoidable or not, but it sounds like he had some time to me. Namecalling isnt very nice. I'm not going to get into a patriotic debate about how you or anyone else feelings about the govt. differ from mine.
Can somebone please explain to me what being in a soap box means???
Yes, Stallworth said that. For all we know he may have been slowing down also. That doesn't change the fact that its been reported that Reyes did indeed step into the path of Stallworth. A lot of people here want to heap 100% of the blame onto Stallworth. Hate to say it, but the victim is just as much to blame if he did step into the path of Stallworth's car. Most normal people know better than to step in front of a car and assume they will stop, especially when they are NOT in a crosswalk.
Yes, Stallworth said that. For all we know he may have been slowing down also. That doesn't change the fact that its been reported that Reyes did indeed step into the path of Stallworth. A lot of people here want to heap 100% of the blame onto Stallworth. Hate to say it, but the victim is just as much to blame if he did step into the path of Stallworth's car. Most normal people know better than to step in front of a car and assume they will stop, especially when they are NOT in a crosswalk.
Most normal people don't drive drunk/stoned and get 26 days in jail for vehicular manslaughter. Quit defending the drunk. You guys make me sick.
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Yes, Stallworth said that. For all we know he may have been slowing down also. That doesn't change the fact that its been reported that Reyes did indeed step into the path of Stallworth. A lot of people here want to heap 100% of the blame onto Stallworth. Hate to say it, but the victim is just as much to blame if he did step into the path of Stallworth's car. Most normal people know better than to step in front of a car and assume they will stop, especially when they are NOT in a crosswalk.
Most normal people don't drive drunk/stoned and get 26 days in jail for vehicular manslaughter. Quit defending the drunk. You guys make me sick.
Most normal people don't drive drunk/stoned and get 26 days in jail for vehicular manslaughter. Quit defending the drunk. You guys make me sick.
My feelings exactly
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Yes, Stallworth said that. For all we know he may have been slowing down also. That doesn't change the fact that its been reported that Reyes did indeed step into the path of Stallworth. A lot of people here want to heap 100% of the blame onto Stallworth. Hate to say it, but the victim is just as much to blame if he did step into the path of Stallworth's car. Most normal people know better than to step in front of a car and assume they will stop, especially when they are NOT in a crosswalk.
Most normal people don't drive drunk/stoned and get 26 days in jail for vehicular manslaughter. Quit defending the drunk. You guys make me sick.
Most normal people don't drive drunk/stoned and get 26 days in jail for vehicular manslaughter. Quit defending the drunk. You guys make me sick.
I agree completely.
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Yes, Stallworth said that. For all we know he may have been slowing down also. That doesn't change the fact that its been reported that Reyes did indeed step into the path of Stallworth. A lot of people here want to heap 100% of the blame onto Stallworth. Hate to say it, but the victim is just as much to blame if he did step into the path of Stallworth's car. Most normal people know better than to step in front of a car and assume they will stop, especially when they are NOT in a crosswalk.
Most normal people don't drive drunk/stoned and get 26 days in jail for vehicular manslaughter. Quit defending the drunk. You guys make me sick.
Most normal people don't drive drunk/stoned and get 26 days in jail for vehicular manslaughter. Quit defending the drunk. You guys make me sick.
I wasn't defending him or his sentence. I was merely pointing out that some of you always want to put ALL the blame on one person, when in fact BOTH of them contributed to the accident. I bet it was the teacher's fault when your kid failed in school or the coach's fault when your kid was stuck on the bench too, eh? Talk about making someone sick, its people like you that don't have all the facts, weren't there, and still want to hang a person like you know exactly what went down.
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Yes, Stallworth said that. For all we know he may have been slowing down also. That doesn't change the fact that its been reported that Reyes did indeed step into the path of Stallworth. A lot of people here want to heap 100% of the blame onto Stallworth. Hate to say it, but the victim is just as much to blame if he did step into the path of Stallworth's car. Most normal people know better than to step in front of a car and assume they will stop, especially when they are NOT in a crosswalk.
Most normal people don't drive drunk/stoned and get 26 days in jail for vehicular manslaughter. Quit defending the drunk. You guys make me sick.
Most normal people don't drive drunk/stoned and get 26 days in jail for vehicular manslaughter. Quit defending the drunk. You guys make me sick.
Yup, most normal people get about two years in jail (or more) for DUI vehicular manslaughter. In Ohio, you can spend more time in jail for a third DUI just for getting pulled over and convicted.
Yeah, and his "lifetime" license suspension will probably be about 5 years or so.
OTOH, if Donte had been clean, he wouldn't even have been charged. Bad, bad decision. & what he says he drank, and what he did drink, based on his BAC doesn't jive (never does in criminal cases).
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good god people.....this thread reads like a buncha jealous homeless people bitchin about the soup kitchens food.....
of all the institutionalized-inequality displayed in our country everyday, this bullshit is what spins y'all up?
whats the collective age here....12? why is jailtime the only 'recognized' punishment that many of you are basing you opinions of his easy sentence?
both people made a mistake....apparently, some people can't grasp the idea that ruining 5 lives is not better than ruining 1.
open your eyes, people.
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Self righteous soldier boy. For the record I never accused you of drunk driving. I have been on multiple combat tours and served my country with pride. I will not be going AWOL. Were the Sarasota newpaper reporters on scene at the time of the accident, becuase I believe(correct me if i'm wrong) Stallworth himself said that he saw the man and had time to flash his lights at him. I don't know if the accident was avoidable or not, but it sounds like he had some time to me. Namecalling isnt very nice. I'm not going to get into a patriotic debate about how you or anyone else feelings about the govt. differ from mine.
Can somebone please explain to me what being in a soap box means???
Yes, Stallworth said that. For all we know he may have been slowing down also. That doesn't change the fact that its been reported that Reyes did indeed step into the path of Stallworth. A lot of people here want to heap 100% of the blame onto Stallworth. Hate to say it, but the victim is just as much to blame if he did step into the path of Stallworth's car. Most normal people know better than to step in front of a car and assume they will stop, especially when they are NOT in a crosswalk.
Yes, Stallworth said that. For all we know he may have been slowing down also. That doesn't change the fact that its been reported that Reyes did indeed step into the path of Stallworth. A lot of people here want to heap 100% of the blame onto Stallworth. Hate to say it, but the victim is just as much to blame if he did step into the path of Stallworth's car. Most normal people know better than to step in front of a car and assume they will stop, especially when they are NOT in a crosswalk.
Neb, you are assuming the guy actually saw him.
If he didn't see him, then 'a normal person' would step in front of the car.
If he saw him, it's likely he panicked and ran in front of him trying to get away from the car it happens all the time. Think about when two people meet in the hallway traveling in opposite directions and they play the passing game where one goes left and the other goes right, and they repeat that several times.
I've seen guys crash on a racetrack, and run ACROSS the thing (taking the longest route to safety) - it's part of panicking.
Stallworth was still legally intoxicated and at .12 your reactions ARE slowed down. I have no idea of the cumulative effects of weed and alcohol. Weed generally does not impair driving ability, but it might amplify the effect of alcohol.
Anyway, Stallworth had time to slam on his brakes and didn't. Even if he still would have hit the guy, he would have hit him at a slower speed; it's possible the guy would be injured but not dead.
We'll never know if the victim saw him or not because Stallworth ran him over while drunk and without ever touching his brakes and killed the guy.
In either case, Stallworth had a responsibility to TRY to avoid the collision. Sure the pedestrian was in error for jaywalking, but Stallworth takes most of the blame because he was drunk and didn't even try to avoid the crash.
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The only thing Stallworth did for the Browns is fuk em anyway that he could and managed to kill somebody in the process.
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Everyone, I think I might have figured out the DL on this whole thing.
It was a suicide. The guy probably was sick of his life and ran out in front of Donte's car, but since Donte was over the limit, he HAD to get some sort of sentence, It probably never came out in the media due to sensitivity towards the family. Word is there is a full video tape of the incident, and word is the guy darted right in front of Donte's car after stopping his crossing. It explains everything. Donte's monetary contribution was a charity most likely.
You never know guys, this could very well be the truth, there is a video theyre not releasing, and the judge saw it!
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Yes, Stallworth said that. For all we know he may have been slowing down also. That doesn't change the fact that its been reported that Reyes did indeed step into the path of Stallworth. A lot of people here want to heap 100% of the blame onto Stallworth. Hate to say it, but the victim is just as much to blame if he did step into the path of Stallworth's car. Most normal people know better than to step in front of a car and assume they will stop, especially when they are NOT in a crosswalk.
Neb, you are assuming the guy actually saw him.
If he didn't see him, then 'a normal person' would step in front of the car.
If he saw him, it's likely he panicked and ran in front of him trying to get away from the car it happens all the time. Think about when two people meet in the hallway traveling in opposite directions and they play the passing game where one goes left and the other goes right, and they repeat that several times.
I've seen guys crash on a racetrack, and run ACROSS the thing (taking the longest route to safety) - it's part of panicking.
Stallworth was still legally intoxicated and at .12 your reactions ARE slowed down. I have no idea of the cumulative effects of weed and alcohol. Weed generally does not impair driving ability, but it might amplify the effect of alcohol.
Anyway, Stallworth had time to slam on his brakes and didn't. Even if he still would have hit the guy, he would have hit him at a slower speed; it's possible the guy would be injured but not dead.
We'll never know if the victim saw him or not because Stallworth ran him over while drunk and without ever touching his brakes and killed the guy.
In either case, Stallworth had a responsibility to TRY to avoid the collision. Sure the pedestrian was in error for jaywalking, but Stallworth takes most of the blame because he was drunk and didn't even try to avoid the crash.
Neb, you are assuming the guy actually saw him.
If he didn't see him, then 'a normal person' would step in front of the car.
If he saw him, it's likely he panicked and ran in front of him trying to get away from the car it happens all the time. Think about when two people meet in the hallway traveling in opposite directions and they play the passing game where one goes left and the other goes right, and they repeat that several times.
I've seen guys crash on a racetrack, and run ACROSS the thing (taking the longest route to safety) - it's part of panicking.
Stallworth was still legally intoxicated and at .12 your reactions ARE slowed down. I have no idea of the cumulative effects of weed and alcohol. Weed generally does not impair driving ability, but it might amplify the effect of alcohol.
Anyway, Stallworth had time to slam on his brakes and didn't. Even if he still would have hit the guy, he would have hit him at a slower speed; it's possible the guy would be injured but not dead.
We'll never know if the victim saw him or not because Stallworth ran him over while drunk and without ever touching his brakes and killed the guy.
In either case, Stallworth had a responsibility to TRY to avoid the collision. Sure the pedestrian was in error for jaywalking, but Stallworth takes most of the blame because he was drunk and didn't even try to avoid the crash.
Talk about me assuming. Dude your arguments are one big mass of assumptions. You have no clue what Stallworth was doing, whether he was braking at all, etc. True, Reyes may not have seen him but Stallworth is to blame for that? There's a reason he flashed his lights and honked. Again, most people driving are going to assume that the pedestrian is smart enough not to walk into their path. Again, I said most, not all. Also, it really doesn't take that long to flash brights and honk your horn, so its really hard to say what the distance was between them when Donte did that, but I know you will assume he had time to stop since he had time to do that.
As for responsibility to avoid the collision, doesn't Reyes share in some of that responsibility since he was crossing a busy multi-lane road while NOT in a crosswalk? Shouldn't Reyes be responsible to be looking out for traffic since he did not have the protection afforded by the crosswalk and legal crossing signals?
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So if somebody is jaywalking then its ok to just flash your lights at them and then run them over. That makes perfect sense. Tell me that you have never crossed the road when you should not have and compare it to your "lucky drunk drivers". He killed a man. I hate the fact that I am in the army working and defending a crappy ass government that lets people like stallworth get off as light as he is, regardless of how many passes he cathces or drops. I don't care what he has done for any team in the nfl. he should be locked up not on house arrest....just my opinion
So if somebody is jaywalking then its ok to just flash your lights at them and then run them over. That makes perfect sense. Tell me that you have never crossed the road when you should not have and compare it to your "lucky drunk drivers". He killed a man. I hate the fact that I am in the army working and defending a crappy ass government that lets people like stallworth get off as light as he is, regardless of how many passes he cathces or drops. I don't care what he has done for any team in the nfl. he should be locked up not on house arrest....just my opinion
That's not what I said. And unless you were there, or have first hand conversation with one of the witnesses, you don't know how much time he actually had to stop or try to.
He could have seen the guy coming from two lanes away, flashed his lights, and then... whoops, realized the guy didn't see his lights and then didn't have time to stop when the guy essentially jumped right in front of him.
It is an accident that could have happened to anyone. Not just a football player.
You guys are making him out to be an evil person, and he's not. Shit happened, and unfortunately for him, he made the mistake of being intoxicated above state law limits, and now he's paying the consequences that the state determined was appropriate.
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So if somebody is jaywalking then its ok to just flash your lights at them and then run them over. That makes perfect sense. Tell me that you have never crossed the road when you should not have and compare it to your "lucky drunk drivers". He killed a man. I hate the fact that I am in the army working and defending a crappy ass government that lets people like stallworth get off as light as he is, regardless of how many passes he cathces or drops. I don't care what he has done for any team in the nfl. he should be locked up not on house arrest....just my opinion
I agree 100 percent. Locked up for several years at least. Don't give me the bullshit that the pedestrian was at fault. If he had time to flash his lights he had time to slam on the brakes. The alcohol/weed slowed his reflexes down. End of story. Lets let this horse RIP.
I agree 100 percent. Locked up for several years at least. Don't give me the bullshit that the pedestrian was at fault. If he had time to flash his lights he had time to slam on the brakes. The alcohol/weed slowed his reflexes down. End of story. Lets let this horse RIP.
guys, flashing his lights doesn't mean the guy was actually in the lane in front of him. If that were the case, my guess is that by the time he got to the guy, the guy would have been either on the other side of the road or out of his lane at least.
My guess is, he saw the guy start to cross the road from 2 or 3 lanes to the right, Stallworth was in the furthest left lane, and flashed his lights to warn the guy that there was a car moving at 50mph in that lane. Thought he'd warned the guy, and then last second when it was too late, the guy actually stepped into Stallworth's lane.
Stallworth had reportedly whipped into that lane to try and beat the light. So not only was the guy not in a cross walk, but he was trying to cross before the light had turned red. Stupid pedestrian. So if he'd slowed down (smart move, but he chose not to slow down) to make sure they guy saw his warning, then he might have been able to break in time. But he'd have missed the light too. I'd have slowed down. 2 minutes wouldn't have mattered one way or another.
But when you are in a split-second decision situation like that, the decisions you make are not always the right ones. He probably assumed the guy had noticed him coming after he flashed his lights... and them BAM! he literally stepped in to Stallworth's grill.
So lets not make assumptions when we don't really know what happened here eh?
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Yes, Stallworth said that. For all we know he may have been slowing down also. That doesn't change the fact that its been reported that Reyes did indeed step into the path of Stallworth. A lot of people here want to heap 100% of the blame onto Stallworth. Hate to say it, but the victim is just as much to blame if he did step into the path of Stallworth's car. Most normal people know better than to step in front of a car and assume they will stop, especially when they are NOT in a crosswalk.
Most normal people don't drive drunk/stoned and get 26 days in jail for vehicular manslaughter. Quit defending the drunk. You guys make me sick.
Most normal people don't drive drunk/stoned and get 26 days in jail for vehicular manslaughter. Quit defending the drunk. You guys make me sick.
We aren't defending his drunk driving asshat!
We are telling you that mitigating circumstances indicate that if Stallworth had not had alcohol in his system, he would not have been charged with diddly. Pedestrians step in front of moving vehicles all the time... and it is THE PEDESTRIANS fault.
Get off your high horse!
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Neb, you are assuming the guy actually saw him.
If he didn't see him, then 'a normal person' would step in front of the car.
If he saw him, it's likely he panicked and ran in front of him trying to get away from the car it happens all the time. Think about when two people meet in the hallway traveling in opposite directions and they play the passing game where one goes left and the other goes right, and they repeat that several times.
I've seen guys crash on a racetrack, and run ACROSS the thing (taking the longest route to safety) - it's part of panicking.
Stallworth was still legally intoxicated and at .12 your reactions ARE slowed down. I have no idea of the cumulative effects of weed and alcohol. Weed generally does not impair driving ability, but it might amplify the effect of alcohol.
Anyway, Stallworth had time to slam on his brakes and didn't. Even if he still would have hit the guy, he would have hit him at a slower speed; it's possible the guy would be injured but not dead.
We'll never know if the victim saw him or not because Stallworth ran him over while drunk and without ever touching his brakes and killed the guy.
In either case, Stallworth had a responsibility to TRY to avoid the collision. Sure the pedestrian was in error for jaywalking, but Stallworth takes most of the blame because he was drunk and didn't even try to avoid the crash.
Talk about me assuming. Dude your arguments are one big mass of assumptions. You have no clue what Stallworth was doing, whether he was braking at all, etc. True, Reyes may not have seen him but Stallworth is to blame for that? There's a reason he flashed his lights and honked. Again, most people driving are going to assume that the pedestrian is smart enough not to walk into their path. Again, I said most, not all. Also, it really doesn't take that long to flash brights and honk your horn, so its really hard to say what the distance was between them when Donte did that, but I know you will assume he had time to stop since he had time to do that.
As for responsibility to avoid the collision, doesn't Reyes share in some of that responsibility since he was crossing a busy multi-lane road while NOT in a crosswalk? Shouldn't Reyes be responsible to be looking out for traffic since he did not have the protection afforded by the crosswalk and legal crossing signals?
Talk about me assuming. Dude your arguments are one big mass of assumptions. You have no clue what Stallworth was doing, whether he was braking at all, etc.
Yeah I do have a 'clue' what Stallworth was doing. Stallworth's statement to the police indicates he did nothing other than flash his lights and honk. The police report also makes no mention of an attempt to swerve, nor Stallworth attempting to brake. In fact, he made NO attempt to avoid hitting a pedestrian.
There is no assumption on my part (in regards to Stallworth's actions). I posted links to the police report and the arrest warrant in the other long Stallworth thread.
True, Reyes may not have seen him but Stallworth is to blame for that? There's a reason he flashed his lights and honked. Again, most people driving are going to assume that the pedestrian is smart enough not to walk into their path. Again, I said most, not all. Also, it really doesn't take that long to flash brights and honk your horn, so its really hard to say what the distance was between them when Donte did that, but I know you will assume he had time to stop since he had time to do that.
As for responsibility to avoid the collision, doesn't Reyes share in some of that responsibility since he was crossing a busy multi-lane road while NOT in a crosswalk? Shouldn't Reyes be responsible to be looking out for traffic since he did not have the protection afforded by the crosswalk and legal crossing signals?
Did I say Reyes had no responsibility? I don't think so. But as the driver of a vehicle that WILL seriously injure or KILL a pedestrian, YOU have responsibility to do more than warn them you are coming through no matter what. It's one thing when a guy literally jumps in front of your car, but Reyes didn't JUMP in front of the car from nowhere.
I didn't write that Stallworth had time to stop, but he COULD have slowed down - that may or may not have made the difference. First reaction in a PANIC situation is NOT to flash your lights and honk your horn. The natural reaction is to slam on the brakes and/or swerve, and your PANIC reaction will ALWAYS be faster than any action that isn't natural unless you are trained to take a different action. Stallworth didn't brake until AFTER he ran the guy down.
Again, Stallworth didn't hit this guy while he was sober. He was drunk, and apparently had been smoking weed as well. AND he was tired, working on 3 (or fewer) hours of sleep. It is scientific fact that alcohol impairs judgement and slows down your reactions at .12. Additionally, driving on very little sleep is nearly as bad as being intoxicated.
At the end of the day, this guy is dead primarily because Donte made a couple of really bad choices. Maybe Donte wouldn't have been charged had he been sober. He also may not have made the same choices had he been sober, either. Which is why the law came after him because clearly they felt that blowing a .12 and having weed in his system was a contributing factor.
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A big thanks to diehard and lemosley. They guy who said something about someone's kids failing in school is a jackass. I can't believe that anybody is arguing about this. What could or could not have happened is all heresay and irrelevant. The bottom line and FACT is that stallworth was drunk/stoned and KILLED a man.
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A big thanks to diehard and lemosley. They guy who said something about someone's kids failing in school is a jackass. I can't believe that anybody is arguing about this. What could or could not have happened is all heresay and irrelevant. The bottom line and FACT is that stallworth was drunk/stoned and KILLED a man.
FACT is that stallworth was drunk/stoned and KILLED a man.
Your debating skills would have cost you the Presidency as you conveniently left out half of the story, Mr. Lincoln.
Another FACT is that Mr. Reyes was jaywalking on a dangerous stretch of road to be jaywalking on. BOTH his actions and the actions of Stallworth played a role in his death.
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Talk about me assuming. Dude your arguments are one big mass of assumptions. You have no clue what Stallworth was doing, whether he was braking at all, etc.
Yeah I do have a 'clue' what Stallworth was doing. Stallworth's statement to the police indicates he did nothing other than flash his lights and honk. The police report also makes no mention of an attempt to swerve, nor Stallworth attempting to brake. In fact, he made NO attempt to avoid hitting a pedestrian.
There is no assumption on my part (in regards to Stallworth's actions). I posted links to the police report and the arrest warrant in the other long Stallworth thread.
True, Reyes may not have seen him but Stallworth is to blame for that? There's a reason he flashed his lights and honked. Again, most people driving are going to assume that the pedestrian is smart enough not to walk into their path. Again, I said most, not all. Also, it really doesn't take that long to flash brights and honk your horn, so its really hard to say what the distance was between them when Donte did that, but I know you will assume he had time to stop since he had time to do that.
As for responsibility to avoid the collision, doesn't Reyes share in some of that responsibility since he was crossing a busy multi-lane road while NOT in a crosswalk? Shouldn't Reyes be responsible to be looking out for traffic since he did not have the protection afforded by the crosswalk and legal crossing signals?
Did I say Reyes had no responsibility? I don't think so. But as the driver of a vehicle that WILL seriously injure or KILL a pedestrian, YOU have responsibility to do more than warn them you are coming through no matter what. It's one thing when a guy literally jumps in front of your car, but Reyes didn't JUMP in front of the car from nowhere.
I didn't write that Stallworth had time to stop, but he COULD have slowed down - that may or may not have made the difference. First reaction in a PANIC situation is NOT to flash your lights and honk your horn. The natural reaction is to slam on the brakes and/or swerve, and your PANIC reaction will ALWAYS be faster than any action that isn't natural unless you are trained to take a different action. Stallworth didn't brake until AFTER he ran the guy down.
Again, Stallworth didn't hit this guy while he was sober. He was drunk, and apparently had been smoking weed as well. AND he was tired, working on 3 (or fewer) hours of sleep. It is scientific fact that alcohol impairs judgement and slows down your reactions at .12. Additionally, driving on very little sleep is nearly as bad as being intoxicated.
At the end of the day, this guy is dead primarily because Donte made a couple of really bad choices. Maybe Donte wouldn't have been charged had he been sober. He also may not have made the same choices had he been sober, either. Which is why the law came after him because clearly they felt that blowing a .12 and having weed in his system was a contributing factor.
Yeah I do have a 'clue' what Stallworth was doing. Stallworth's statement to the police indicates he did nothing other than flash his lights and honk. The police report also makes no mention of an attempt to swerve, nor Stallworth attempting to brake. In fact, he made NO attempt to avoid hitting a pedestrian.
There is no assumption on my part (in regards to Stallworth's actions). I posted links to the police report and the arrest warrant in the other long Stallworth thread.
Did I say Reyes had no responsibility? I don't think so. But as the driver of a vehicle that WILL seriously injure or KILL a pedestrian, YOU have responsibility to do more than warn them you are coming through no matter what. It's one thing when a guy literally jumps in front of your car, but Reyes didn't JUMP in front of the car from nowhere.
I didn't write that Stallworth had time to stop, but he COULD have slowed down - that may or may not have made the difference. First reaction in a PANIC situation is NOT to flash your lights and honk your horn. The natural reaction is to slam on the brakes and/or swerve, and your PANIC reaction will ALWAYS be faster than any action that isn't natural unless you are trained to take a different action. Stallworth didn't brake until AFTER he ran the guy down.
Again, Stallworth didn't hit this guy while he was sober. He was drunk, and apparently had been smoking weed as well. AND he was tired, working on 3 (or fewer) hours of sleep. It is scientific fact that alcohol impairs judgement and slows down your reactions at .12. Additionally, driving on very little sleep is nearly as bad as being intoxicated.
At the end of the day, this guy is dead primarily because Donte made a couple of really bad choices. Maybe Donte wouldn't have been charged had he been sober. He also may not have made the same choices had he been sober, either. Which is why the law came after him because clearly they felt that blowing a .12 and having weed in his system was a contributing factor.
Assuming Stallworth did not have time to stop, where was he going to swerve dude? Into the median wall? Into the lane that Reyes was in right before stepping in front of his vehicle? You are jumping to a LOT of conclusions based on what Stallworth said without thinking about what else could have been done. So tell me Mr. Intelligent, where could he have swerved, especially if he wasn't expecting the guy to even step into his lane? And why do you keep referring to a panic situation? Did Stallworth say he paniced? Or did he think Reyes would not step in front of him, and thus there was no reason for panic. Could he have been more defensive? I don't know, since I don't know how defensively he was driving at said time of accident.
Again, you are still assuming a lot and jumping to a lot of conclusions without being there or having ALL the facts.
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