will there be repercussions for the blown fumble call?
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I'm having difficulty letting this go. That play would have been everything.
for a moment,Take the browns out of it..10 different teams play 1 game. Out of those 5 games this same play happens..How many games of the 5 do the refs blow that same play dead? (Answer?=Over half?) am almost guessing 4 of those 5 games..unlikely 1 of 8 refs first reaction is not to blow whistle? (not many of us or announcers knew till the upclose replay showed ball short. The Side Judge ref does not get that close-up ? live..)
for a moment,Take the browns out of it..10 different teams play 1 game. Out of those 5 games this same play happens..How many games of the 5 do the refs blow that same play dead? (Answer?=Over half?) am almost guessing 4 of those 5 games..unlikely 1 of 8 refs first reaction is not to blow whistle? (not many of us or announcers knew till the upclose replay showed ball short. The Side Judge ref does not get that close-up ? live..)
So he wasn’t close enough to make the call of a touchdown either.
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for a moment,Take the browns out of it..10 different teams play 1 game. Out of those 5 games this same play happens..How many games of the 5 do the refs blow that same play dead? (Answer?=Over half?) am almost guessing 4 of those 5 games..unlikely 1 of 8 refs first reaction is not to blow whistle? (not many of us or announcers knew till the upclose replay showed ball short. The Side Judge ref does not get that close-up ? live..)
So he wasn’t close enough to make the call of a touchdown either.
So he wasn’t close enough to make the call of a touchdown either.
agree.but that ball was as close as 6 inches imo before swat. refs original call was ball broke plane and original call was TD. than tweet?.was it not? if that proper spot was detected by refs? 3 sets of whistles never blows..amazing how many crazy plays in browns history..
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I'm having difficulty letting this go. That play would have been everything.
for a moment,Take the browns out of it..10 different teams play 1 game. Out of those 5 games this same play happens..How many games of the 5 do the refs blow that same play dead? (Answer?=Over half?) am almost guessing 4 of those 5 games..unlikely 1 of 8 refs first reaction is not to blow whistle? (not many of us or announcers knew till the upclose replay showed ball short. The Side Judge ref does not get that close-up ? live..)
for a moment,Take the browns out of it..10 different teams play 1 game. Out of those 5 games this same play happens..How many games of the 5 do the refs blow that same play dead? (Answer?=Over half?) am almost guessing 4 of those 5 games..unlikely 1 of 8 refs first reaction is not to blow whistle? (not many of us or announcers knew till the upclose replay showed ball short. The Side Judge ref does not get that close-up ? live..)
And that's just it. Even the guys on NFL Network were incredulous, and said, "What benefit do you get by blowing the whistle? Even if you waited until everything finished, replay would verify the score and everything is fine. Referees are taught to not blow it dead just for these reasons."
Did you see the in-game referee correspondent from New York? He was shaking his head and he said "there's nothing we can do about the Browns TD, but at least they can get the ball."
You know what REALLY hurt though? The VERY NEXT PLAY our best wide receiver doinked a possible 95 yard TD off his freaking face. Did anybody mention that shit? In the span of two plays I literally lost my Browns-loving mind, LMFAO. My wife came running into the living room screaming, "Are you ok? What happened?!" I showed her the two plays and she went, "OOOOOOOOOOOOOO.... I'll be in the other room if you need me." And she scurried away, Hehehehe.
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Lol
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for a moment,Take the browns out of it..10 different teams play 1 game. Out of those 5 games this same play happens..How many games of the 5 do the refs blow that same play dead? (Answer?=Over half?) am almost guessing 4 of those 5 games..unlikely 1 of 8 refs first reaction is not to blow whistle? (not many of us or announcers knew till the upclose replay showed ball short. The Side Judge ref does not get that close-up ? live..)
And that's just it. Even the guys on NFL Network were incredulous, and said, "What benefit do you get by blowing the whistle? Even if you waited until everything finished, replay would verify the score and everything is fine. Referees are taught to not blow it dead just for these reasons."
Did you see the in-game referee correspondent from New York? He was shaking his head and he said "there's nothing we can do about the Browns TD, but at least they can get the ball."
You know what REALLY hurt though? The VERY NEXT PLAY our best wide receiver doinked a possible 95 yard TD off his freaking face. Did anybody mention that shit? In the span of two plays I literally lost my Browns-loving mind, LMFAO. My wife came running into the living room screaming, "Are you ok? What happened?!" I showed her the two plays and she went, "OOOOOOOOOOOOOO.... I'll be in the other room if you need me." And she scurried away, Hehehehe.
My wife came running into the living room screaming, "Are you ok? What happened?!" I showed her the two plays and she went, "OOOOOOOOOOOOOO.... I'll be in the other room if you need me." And she scurried away, Hehehehe.
Watching A&M giving up a quick 7-0 lead slowly to 1 TD and 2 FG's, she looks at me waiting for the "explosion". I just say to her, "turn it to whatever you like cause I'm not watching it live anymore. If they turn it around I have it recording." She looked incredulous that I did not handle it the "usual" way which in the past sends her out shopping.?
About an hour + later I check live scores and see they are taking over a punt at their own 7 with a 35-13 lead and then watch the little ball race the length of the field for a 93 yd TD for the SEC leading RB Williams. So I casually say to her I'm ready to watch it "live" now. LOL!?
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My wife came running into the living room screaming, "Are you ok? What happened?!" I showed her the two plays and she went, "OOOOOOOOOOOOOO.... I'll be in the other room if you need me." And she scurried away, Hehehehe.
Watching A&M giving up a quick 7-0 lead slowly to 1 TD and 2 FG's, she looks at me waiting for the "explosion". I just say to her, "turn it to whatever you like cause I'm not watching it live anymore. If they turn it around I have it recording." She looked incredulous that I did not handle it the "usual" way which in the past sends her out shopping.?
About an hour + later I check live scores and see they are taking over a punt at their own 7 with a 35-13 lead and then watch the little ball race the length of the field for a 93 yd TD for the SEC leading RB Williams. So I casually say to her I'm ready to watch it "live" now. LOL!?
Watching A&M giving up a quick 7-0 lead slowly to 1 TD and 2 FG's, she looks at me waiting for the "explosion". I just say to her, "turn it to whatever you like cause I'm not watching it live anymore. If they turn it around I have it recording." She looked incredulous that I did not handle it the "usual" way which in the past sends her out shopping.?
About an hour + later I check live scores and see they are taking over a punt at their own 7 with a 35-13 lead and then watch the little ball race the length of the field for a 93 yd TD for the SEC leading RB Williams. So I casually say to her I'm ready to watch it "live" now. LOL!?
LMAO. YESSSSSSSS.
It's funny, my wife got into this year. She said, "Wow. The Browns are actually fun, right?" Heck, my MOTHER said to me last night, "I can't get over how much fun your Brownies are to watch! Can one player (Baker) really make that much of a difference? Isn't it a team game?" I think she has a little crush on Baker! Lol.
I bought a house in October, and it's 2 miles from my parents. I got to watch like 5 games with my mom and dad, and it's a blessing. I know it sounds sappy, but this team brought my little family so much enjoyment. The first game we watched together was the Jets game, and that kind of started it all. Well, my father and I went to the Saints game together, but we don't count that one! (dang you Zane Gonzalez, lololol)
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I honestly can't believe your wife lets you watch the games at home, jiggins… ?
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for a moment,Take the browns out of it..10 different teams play 1 game. Out of those 5 games this same play happens..How many games of the 5 do the refs blow that same play dead? (Answer?=Over half?) am almost guessing 4 of those 5 games..unlikely 1 of 8 refs first reaction is not to blow whistle? (not many of us or announcers knew till the upclose replay showed ball short. The Side Judge ref does not get that close-up ? live..)
And that's just it. Even the guys on NFL Network were incredulous, and said, "What benefit do you get by blowing the whistle? Even if you waited until everything finished, replay would verify the score and everything is fine. Referees are taught to not blow it dead just for these reasons."
Did you see the in-game referee correspondent from New York? He was shaking his head and he said "there's nothing we can do about the Browns TD, but at least they can get the ball."
You know what REALLY hurt though? The VERY NEXT PLAY our best wide receiver doinked a possible 95 yard TD off his freaking face. Did anybody mention that shit? In the span of two plays I literally lost my Browns-loving mind, LMFAO. My wife came running into the living room screaming, "Are you ok? What happened?!" I showed her the two plays and she went, "OOOOOOOOOOOOOO.... I'll be in the other room if you need me." And she scurried away, Hehehehe.
And that's just it. Even the guys on NFL Network were incredulous, and said, "What benefit do you get by blowing the whistle? Even if you waited until everything finished, replay would verify the score and everything is fine. Referees are taught to not blow it dead just for these reasons."
Did you see the in-game referee correspondent from New York? He was shaking his head and he said "there's nothing we can do about the Browns TD, but at least they can get the ball."
Refs are told to call what they see,not what they think they see. (think they see, fits here) than Blowing the whistle becomes a habit to stop the play. NBA & NHL look at replays of 3's & goals at next stoppage.MLB now about the same. Rarely they blow that play dead anymore with new rule changes. Seems pretty easy in nfl, Decide between a)1st & goal or b) Redzone or c) any ball spot? Than tell the refs to stop blowing their whistles ending pending scoring plays? If or when ball comes out, plays live till completion..(ball out, knee down, reviews have been pretty cut & dry this season. that's about it though)..Landry is still learning to be a deep threat & looked of it on that play..but we can't take the 'Landry Bomb' away from him vs Falcons..give me some Free Derek Willies at camp with another tall outside WR at Draft..Ratley maybe on the outside looking Cut...
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for a moment,Take the browns out of it..10 different teams play 1 game. Out of those 5 games this same play happens..How many games of the 5 do the refs blow that same play dead? (Answer?=Over half?) am almost guessing 4 of those 5 games..unlikely 1 of 8 refs first reaction is not to blow whistle? (not many of us or announcers knew till the upclose replay showed ball short. The Side Judge ref does not get that close-up ? live..)
And that's just it. Even the guys on NFL Network were incredulous, and said, "What benefit do you get by blowing the whistle? Even if you waited until everything finished, replay would verify the score and everything is fine. Referees are taught to not blow it dead just for these reasons."
Did you see the in-game referee correspondent from New York? He was shaking his head and he said "there's nothing we can do about the Browns TD, but at least they can get the ball."
You know what REALLY hurt though? The VERY NEXT PLAY our best wide receiver doinked a possible 95 yard TD off his freaking face. Did anybody mention that shit? In the span of two plays I literally lost my Browns-loving mind, LMFAO. My wife came running into the living room screaming, "Are you ok? What happened?!" I showed her the two plays and she went, "OOOOOOOOOOOOOO.... I'll be in the other room if you need me." And she scurried away, Hehehehe.
In the span of two plays I literally lost my Browns-loving mind, LMFAO. My wife came running into the living room screaming, "Are you ok? What happened?!" I showed her the two plays and she went, "OOOOOOOOOOOOOO.... I'll be in the other room if you need me." And she scurried away, Hehehehe.
Same scenario at my house after 48 years of marriage? .....When I go bonkers, Colleen will shout downstairs to my Cave to find out what the score is. if I'm yellin' "OH YEAHHH (followed by our player's name)" (or something similar) she knows that's great, if I'm cussin' she knows it's not good. If it's silent, THAT'S when she checks to see whether or not I've died.
Mike
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Just let the play finish and then look at the replay. It’s not that difficult
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Just let the play finish and then look at the replay. It’s not that difficult
Yep. Isn't that called the "KISS" (Keep It Simple Stupid) theory? The NFL needs to get back to basics.
Mike
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Just let the play finish and then look at the replay. It’s not that difficult
Yep. Isn't that called the "KISS" (Keep It Simple Stupid) theory? The NFL needs to get back to basics.
Mike
Yep. Isn't that called the "KISS" (Keep It Simple Stupid) theory? The NFL needs to get back to basics.
Mike
They assumed the Ravens scored, and Cleveland paid.
another example of the not up to par officiating for this league. 2018 season was a bit tainted with bad officiating. The Browns aren’t the only team who deals with BS calls.
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The line judge signaled TD by raising his arms, as soon as all the other refs see that the whistles go off. It happens on every TD. At least we get the recovery but it really does suck we don't get the return.
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Yep, we got it good by the zebras. But watching all the stools in stoolville shedding tears at the end took a bit of the edge off
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No.
That said the day is coming when the browns are at too high a level for the NFL to not have to answer for blatantly screwing them.
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Do you guys think there was any thought of kicking the FG at the end? I know Joseph missed a 45 yarder, but 4th and 10 against the odds of a 57 yard FG....ehhhhhh. Not so good either way. I also don't remember what the weather/wind was like, so that could have been a factor, too. Only reason I bring it up is because I randomly remembered we lost to Tampa Bay on a friggin 59 yard FG, and although not accurate from deep, Joseph appears to have somewhat of a strong leg. (although his 45 yarder looked like it was really short)
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Do you guys think there was any thought of kicking the FG at the end? I know Joseph missed a 45 yarder, but 4th and 10 against the odds of a 57 yard FG....ehhhhhh. Not so good either way. I also don't remember what the weather/wind was like, so that could have been a factor, too. Only reason I bring it up is because I randomly remembered we lost to Tampa Bay on a friggin 59 yard FG, and although not accurate from deep, Joseph appears to have somewhat of a strong leg. (although his 45 yarder looked like it was really short)
Do you guys think there was any thought of kicking the FG at the end? I know Joseph missed a 45 yarder, but 4th and 10 against the odds of a 57 yard FG....ehhhhhh. Not so good either way. I also don't remember what the weather/wind was like, so that could have been a factor, too. Only reason I bring it up is because I randomly remembered we lost to Tampa Bay on a friggin 59 yard FG, and although not accurate from deep, Joseph appears to have somewhat of a strong leg. (although his 45 yarder looked like it was really short)
I'm guessing Williams had an idea from pre-game kicks by Joseph what his limit was, and 57 yards was beyond it.
You can't have four downs and get zero yards there.
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Do you guys think there was any thought of kicking the FG at the end? I know Joseph missed a 45 yarder, but 4th and 10 against the odds of a 57 yard FG....ehhhhhh. Not so good either way. I also don't remember what the weather/wind was like, so that could have been a factor, too. Only reason I bring it up is because I randomly remembered we lost to Tampa Bay on a friggin 59 yard FG, and although not accurate from deep, Joseph appears to have somewhat of a strong leg. (although his 45 yarder looked like it was really short)
I'm guessing Williams had an idea from pre-game kicks by Joseph what his limit was, and 57 yards was beyond it.
You can't have four downs and get zero yards there.
I'm guessing Williams had an idea from pre-game kicks by Joseph what his limit was, and 57 yards was beyond it.
You can't have four downs and get zero yards there.
Yeah, that's about the whole of it. Baker was completely crushed after the game and said the one he will be seeing in the offseason is the 2nd down pass he missed to Landry. Missed by about 3-4 feet, and that's a throw he generally nails. The one I mentioned earlier is the one that kills me, the 3rd down. Duke blows by the linebacker, after getting held briefly, and was open for a gashing play. *sigh*
Is the defense allowed to hold behind the line of scrimmage? I'm guessing no, but since Baker didn't throw it to that side, refs weren't going to throw the flag.
Edit: Yep, it was definitely an obvious hold on Eric Weddle on 3rd down. Weddle thought Duke Johnson was staying in to block, but when he went to slip out of the backfield, Weddle was completely toasted and literally grabbed Duke to slow his momentum down. It was blatant, it was obvious, and it's a shame that Baker didn't attack the safety blitz, because if he did, Duke doesn't get the first down, he gets a TOUCHDOWN. There was literally nobody in front of him, and even the guys on Browns Daily said it was likely a TD, so I'm not completely insane. Hahahaha. But oh well, it'll be something Baker never forgets, promise you that.
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Do you guys think there was any thought of kicking the FG at the end? I know Joseph missed a 45 yarder, but 4th and 10 against the odds of a 57 yard FG....ehhhhhh. Not so good either way. I also don't remember what the weather/wind was like, so that could have been a factor, too. Only reason I bring it up is because I randomly remembered we lost to Tampa Bay on a friggin 59 yard FG, and although not accurate from deep, Joseph appears to have somewhat of a strong leg. (although his 45 yarder looked like it was really short)
Do you guys think there was any thought of kicking the FG at the end? I know Joseph missed a 45 yarder, but 4th and 10 against the odds of a 57 yard FG....ehhhhhh. Not so good either way. I also don't remember what the weather/wind was like, so that could have been a factor, too. Only reason I bring it up is because I randomly remembered we lost to Tampa Bay on a friggin 59 yard FG, and although not accurate from deep, Joseph appears to have somewhat of a strong leg. (although his 45 yarder looked like it was really short)
it was 90 degrees in Tampa with no wind, I was there. Cold in Balt.
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Do you guys think there was any thought of kicking the FG at the end? I know Joseph missed a 45 yarder, but 4th and 10 against the odds of a 57 yard FG....ehhhhhh. Not so good either way. I also don't remember what the weather/wind was like, so that could have been a factor, too. Only reason I bring it up is because I randomly remembered we lost to Tampa Bay on a friggin 59 yard FG, and although not accurate from deep, Joseph appears to have somewhat of a strong leg. (although his 45 yarder looked like it was really short)
it was 90 degrees in Tampa with no wind, I was there. Cold in Balt.
it was 90 degrees in Tampa with no wind, I was there. Cold in Balt.
That's kind of what I figured. I just remembered being like "WTF" after the Tampa FG bomb. Lol
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