Bleacher Report Game of the Year
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4-3 in bowl games last year.
The ACC "had the season edge in games vs. the SEC" in 2014 and 16. That's pretty much it. Every other year since 07 the SEC has been on top of that.
"the SEC had a losing record vs. P5 interconference competition." Yes, it was 10-12 last year and it was sub .500 in 2016 as well. This year it's 9-3, and the SEC's had a winning record against other P5 competition all other years since 2005.
How far back in history do you want to go. Tell me when they started the cupcake walk.
How far back in history do you want to go. Tell me when they started the cupcake walk.
For determining what is the best conference right now? Recent would be what matters most. I don't think I've ever argued that the SEC is the best conference all time (maybe it is, who knows, I've never looked into it because it doesn't matter).
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How far back in history do you want to go. Tell me when they started the cupcake walk.
For determining what is the best conference right now? Recent would be what matters most. I don't think I've ever argued that the SEC is the best conference all time (maybe it is, who knows, I've never looked into it because it doesn't matter).
For determining what is the best conference right now? Recent would be what matters most. I don't think I've ever argued that the SEC is the best conference all time (maybe it is, who knows, I've never looked into it because it doesn't matter).
Well..."recently" is when the cupcake walk for the SEC has existed.....not sure how far back it goes.
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There's that "we" word again.
Anyway, Merry Christmas. There's no way you're going to objectively look at my points it's obvious.
I've been in Browns Backers bars in the south, a lot of Fun, but an extremely narrow view on NCAA Football.
Well I gave you a million data points and so far your only one is "well y'all don't travel for bowl games," and I showed you why that is irrelevant. I am awaiting better info.
Well I gave you a million data points and so far your only one is "well y'all don't travel for bowl games," and I showed you why that is irrelevant. I am awaiting better
Lol...ok let's say I agree that not traveling for Bowl games is irrevelant. I suppose you're correct that it's not the SEC's fault people prefer better climates for Bowl games. The PAC 10 has enjoyed the home field advantage in the Rose Bowl for decades, as teams from the midwest see tgeir first bikini in 4 months?
So of your million data points, you're ok with Bama, Florida and Georgia staying within a 500 mile radius? Rarely/never even traveling to Syracuse, Boston College, Ann Arbor, Madison?
I know it's a 2 way street. In my Buckeye fan homerdom, spanning 48 years, they've had home -and -homes with USC, UCLA, Washington, Texas, Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, Florida St, LSU, Missouri, West Virginia; Syracuse, Notre Dame, Boston College, Penn St before PSU entered the Big 10, BYU.....
I suppose you will say that's irrevelant too.
And it's not nearly enough. Not nearly enough intersectional games by my Buckeyes. They schedule a lot of MAC teams, which I despise.
How's that? A Buckeye homer admitting their TEAM has scheduling flaws despite taking RISKS occasionally.
Happy New Year. Hope my post helped clear the air on my SEC angst.
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Well I gave you a million data points and so far your only one is "well y'all don't travel for bowl games," and I showed you why that is irrelevant. I am awaiting better
Lol...ok let's say I agree that not traveling for Bowl games is irrevelant. I suppose you're correct that it's not the SEC's fault people prefer better climates for Bowl games. The PAC 10 has enjoyed the home field advantage in the Rose Bowl for decades, as teams from the midwest see tgeir first bikini in 4 months?
So of your million data points, you're ok with Bama, Florida and Georgia staying within a 500 mile radius? Rarely/never even traveling to Syracuse, Boston College, Ann Arbor, Madison?
I know it's a 2 way street. In my Buckeye fan homerdom, spanning 48 years, they've had home -and -homes with USC, UCLA, Washington, Texas, Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, Florida St, LSU, Missouri, West Virginia; Syracuse, Notre Dame, Boston College, Penn St before PSU entered the Big 10, BYU.....
I suppose you will say that's irrevelant too.
And it's not nearly enough. Not nearly enough intersectional games by my Buckeyes. They schedule a lot of MAC teams, which I despise.
How's that? A Buckeye homer admitting their TEAM has scheduling flaws despite taking RISKS occasionally.
Happy New Year. Hope my post helped clear the air on my SEC angst.
Lol...ok let's say I agree that not traveling for Bowl games is irrevelant. I suppose you're correct that it's not the SEC's fault people prefer better climates for Bowl games. The PAC 10 has enjoyed the home field advantage in the Rose Bowl for decades, as teams from the midwest see tgeir first bikini in 4 months?
So of your million data points, you're ok with Bama, Florida and Georgia staying within a 500 mile radius? Rarely/never even traveling to Syracuse, Boston College, Ann Arbor, Madison?
I know it's a 2 way street. In my Buckeye fan homerdom, spanning 48 years, they've had home -and -homes with USC, UCLA, Washington, Texas, Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, Florida St, LSU, Missouri, West Virginia; Syracuse, Notre Dame, Boston College, Penn St before PSU entered the Big 10, BYU.....
I suppose you will say that's irrevelant too.
And it's not nearly enough. Not nearly enough intersectional games by my Buckeyes. They schedule a lot of MAC teams, which I despise.
How's that? A Buckeye homer admitting their TEAM has scheduling flaws despite taking RISKS occasionally.
Happy New Year. Hope my post helped clear the air on my SEC angst.
I always thought that Ohio State vs. Kentucky would be a somewhat natural rivalry....a neighboring state rivalry .as good as OSU/Indiana, or OSU/Penn St.....not quite OSU Michigan... The other I thought would be OSU/West Virginia...also a neighboring state. In fact here are the distances:
Columbus to State College PA: 322 miles
Columbus to Bloomington Ind. 226 miles
Columbus to Morgantown W Va. 205 miles
Columbus to Ann Arbor 191 miles
Columbus to Lexington KY 190 miles.
So, as I see it, both the Kentucky and WVa. schools are unconsummated rivalries that should be played from time to time. I think fans would enjoy it. I think the only thing preventing the KY game from being played is the SEC policy of chickening out of these sorts of interconference games.
If I am not mistaken I do think that KY does play Indiana from time to time. The distance between those two schools is only 180 miles....10 less than from Columbus.
Kentucky's "rivalry" I guess is actually with Tennessee.....but, Knoxville is 173 miles from Lexington.....only 7 miles closer than Bloomington and 17 miles closer than Columbus.
While I did not perform the rest of the task I would suggest that Lexington KY is actually closer to more other Big Ten school sites than it is to other SEC school sites.
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As I suspected after doing the whole thing: Kentucky is much closer to most Big Ten Schools than it is to most SEC schools:
KY to SEC schools:
Tennessee 173; Vanderbilt 215; Georgia 404; South Carolina 433; Alabama 460; Missouri 460; Mississippi 464; Auburn 486; Miss. St. 491; Arkansas 694; Florida 717; LSU 801; Texas A&M 976
KY to Big Ten schools: Indiana 180; Ohio State 190; Michigan 296; Illinois 311; Maryland 312; Purdue 322; Michigan St. 328; Northwestern 389;
Penn St. 505; Wisconsin 520; Iowa 550; Rutgers 560; Nebraska 777; Minnesota 780
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For determining what is the best conference right now? Recent would be what matters most. I don't think I've ever argued that the SEC is the best conference all time (maybe it is, who knows, I've never looked into it because it doesn't matter).
Well..."recently" is when the cupcake walk for the SEC has existed.....not sure how far back it goes.
Well..."recently" is when the cupcake walk for the SEC has existed.....not sure how far back it goes.
Penn State a cupcake?
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Well I gave you a million data points and so far your only one is "well y'all don't travel for bowl games," and I showed you why that is irrelevant. I am awaiting better
Lol...ok let's say I agree that not traveling for Bowl games is irrevelant. I suppose you're correct that it's not the SEC's fault people prefer better climates for Bowl games. The PAC 10 has enjoyed the home field advantage in the Rose Bowl for decades, as teams from the midwest see tgeir first bikini in 4 months?
So of your million data points, you're ok with Bama, Florida and Georgia staying within a 500 mile radius? Rarely/never even traveling to Syracuse, Boston College, Ann Arbor, Madison?
I know it's a 2 way street. In my Buckeye fan homerdom, spanning 48 years, they've had home -and -homes with USC, UCLA, Washington, Texas, Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, Florida St, LSU, Missouri, West Virginia; Syracuse, Notre Dame, Boston College, Penn St before PSU entered the Big 10, BYU.....
I suppose you will say that's irrevelant too.
And it's not nearly enough. Not nearly enough intersectional games by my Buckeyes. They schedule a lot of MAC teams, which I despise.
How's that? A Buckeye homer admitting their TEAM has scheduling flaws despite taking RISKS occasionally.
Happy New Year. Hope my post helped clear the air on my SEC angst.
Lol...ok let's say I agree that not traveling for Bowl games is irrevelant. I suppose you're correct that it's not the SEC's fault people prefer better climates for Bowl games. The PAC 10 has enjoyed the home field advantage in the Rose Bowl for decades, as teams from the midwest see tgeir first bikini in 4 months?
So of your million data points, you're ok with Bama, Florida and Georgia staying within a 500 mile radius? Rarely/never even traveling to Syracuse, Boston College, Ann Arbor, Madison?
I know it's a 2 way street. In my Buckeye fan homerdom, spanning 48 years, they've had home -and -homes with USC, UCLA, Washington, Texas, Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, Florida St, LSU, Missouri, West Virginia; Syracuse, Notre Dame, Boston College, Penn St before PSU entered the Big 10, BYU.....
I suppose you will say that's irrevelant too.
And it's not nearly enough. Not nearly enough intersectional games by my Buckeyes. They schedule a lot of MAC teams, which I despise.
How's that? A Buckeye homer admitting their TEAM has scheduling flaws despite taking RISKS occasionally.
Happy New Year. Hope my post helped clear the air on my SEC angst.
I thought you were arguing about bowl game locations. Yeah, I'll agree that there should be some more homes and homes, but I think there are probably as many in the SEC as any other conference. We have Clemson. Georgia and Clemson had a series recently. So did Auburn and Clemson. Texas scheduled LSU and Alabama. Florida offered to go to UCF (not your point, just saying), and four of our teams have quality teams from other conferences that they play every year (Georgia, SC, Kentucky, Florida), Tennessee went to OU, etc.
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As I suspected after doing the whole thing: Kentucky is much closer to most Big Ten Schools than it is to most SEC schools:
KY to SEC schools:
Tennessee 173; Vanderbilt 215; Georgia 404; South Carolina 433; Alabama 460; Missouri 460; Mississippi 464; Auburn 486; Miss. St. 491; Arkansas 694; Florida 717; LSU 801; Texas A&M 976
KY to Big Ten schools: Indiana 180; Ohio State 190; Michigan 296; Illinois 311; Maryland 312; Purdue 322; Michigan St. 328; Northwestern 389;
Penn St. 505; Wisconsin 520; Iowa 550; Rutgers 560; Nebraska 777; Minnesota 780
As I suspected after doing the whole thing: Kentucky is much closer to most Big Ten Schools than it is to most SEC schools:
KY to SEC schools:
Tennessee 173; Vanderbilt 215; Georgia 404; South Carolina 433; Alabama 460; Missouri 460; Mississippi 464; Auburn 486; Miss. St. 491; Arkansas 694; Florida 717; LSU 801; Texas A&M 976
KY to Big Ten schools: Indiana 180; Ohio State 190; Michigan 296; Illinois 311; Maryland 312; Purdue 322; Michigan St. 328; Northwestern 389;
Penn St. 505; Wisconsin 520; Iowa 550; Rutgers 560; Nebraska 777; Minnesota 780
Congrats
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Well..."recently" is when the cupcake walk for the SEC has existed.....not sure how far back it goes.
Penn State a cupcake?
Penn State a cupcake?
Outlier.
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I also am a huge Buckeye fan, but I think the 1st point in this post is off the mark.
Maybe at the end of the season there were more SEC teams ranked, so an LSU could boast they beat so many top 25 teams, but seeing the top 25 each week, there were certainly quite a few Big 10 teams ranked throughout the season, even ones voted out and then back in. And so much of it is really where a team started out ranked.
Here is what I remember (and not going back to see exact numbers).
Big 10: OSU, Mich, Penn state, NW, Mich St, Wisconsin, Iowa
7 Teams
SEC: Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Florida, Kentucky, Miss St, Texas A&M, Missouri, Auburn
9 Teams
I could have missed someone, but not a huge disparity.
Using bowl games as a barometer is a risky thing, as teams have different motivations going into them. There is absolutely no way to actually think that a Florida team is THAT much better than team up north as just 1 example. Georgia loss didn't surprise me in the least either. Georgia thought they should be in playoff, and didnt have same motivation against Texas.
In my opinion, at their best, the Top 4 teams in the nation are Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Georgia. It's hard to give a next 4, as have bad memories of the last games of a few, such as Oklahoma and Notre Dame, and just being unsure about a few others like Texas, LSU, etc
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I also am a huge Buckeye fan, but I think the 1st point in this post is off the mark.
Maybe at the end of the season there were more SEC teams ranked, so an LSU could boast they beat so many top 25 teams, but seeing the top 25 each week, there were certainly quite a few Big 10 teams ranked throughout the season, even ones voted out and then back in. And so much of it is really where a team started out ranked.
Here is what I remember (and not going back to see exact numbers).
Big 10: OSU, Mich, Penn state, NW, Mich St, Wisconsin, Iowa
7 Teams
SEC: Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Florida, Kentucky, Miss St, Texas A&M, Missouri, Auburn
9 Teams
I could have missed someone, but not a huge disparity.
Using bowl games as a barometer is a risky thing, as teams have different motivations going into them. There is absolutely no way to actually think that a Florida team is THAT much better than team up north as just 1 example. Georgia loss didn't surprise me in the least either. Georgia thought they should be in playoff, and didnt have same motivation against Texas.
In my opinion, at their best, the Top 4 teams in the nation are Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Georgia. It's hard to give a next 4, as have bad memories of the last games of a few, such as Oklahoma and Notre Dame, and just being unsure about a few others like Texas, LSU, etc
I also am a huge Buckeye fan, but I think the 1st point in this post is off the mark.
Maybe at the end of the season there were more SEC teams ranked, so an LSU could boast they beat so many top 25 teams, but seeing the top 25 each week, there were certainly quite a few Big 10 teams ranked throughout the season, even ones voted out and then back in. And so much of it is really where a team started out ranked.
Here is what I remember (and not going back to see exact numbers).
Big 10: OSU, Mich, Penn state, NW, Mich St, Wisconsin, Iowa
7 Teams
SEC: Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Florida, Kentucky, Miss St, Texas A&M, Missouri, Auburn
9 Teams
I could have missed someone, but not a huge disparity.
Using bowl games as a barometer is a risky thing, as teams have different motivations going into them. There is absolutely no way to actually think that a Florida team is THAT much better than team up north as just 1 example. Georgia loss didn't surprise me in the least either. Georgia thought they should be in playoff, and didnt have same motivation against Texas.
In my opinion, at their best, the Top 4 teams in the nation are Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Georgia. It's hard to give a next 4, as have bad memories of the last games of a few, such as Oklahoma and Notre Dame, and just being unsure about a few others like Texas, LSU, etc
The thing is last year when the Big Ten went 7-1 they didn't use bowl games as a barometer. It's used whenever it fits the narrative being pushed.
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I also am a huge Buckeye fan, but I think the 1st point in this post is off the mark.
Maybe at the end of the season there were more SEC teams ranked, so an LSU could boast they beat so many top 25 teams, but seeing the top 25 each week, there were certainly quite a few Big 10 teams ranked throughout the season, even ones voted out and then back in. And so much of it is really where a team started out ranked.
Here is what I remember (and not going back to see exact numbers).
Big 10: OSU, Mich, Penn state, NW, Mich St, Wisconsin, Iowa
7 Teams
SEC: Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Florida, Kentucky, Miss St, Texas A&M, Missouri, Auburn
9 Teams
I could have missed someone, but not a huge disparity.
Using bowl games as a barometer is a risky thing, as teams have different motivations going into them. There is absolutely no way to actually think that a Florida team is THAT much better than team up north as just 1 example. Georgia loss didn't surprise me in the least either. Georgia thought they should be in playoff, and didnt have same motivation against Texas.
In my opinion, at their best, the Top 4 teams in the nation are Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Georgia. It's hard to give a next 4, as have bad memories of the last games of a few, such as Oklahoma and Notre Dame, and just being unsure about a few others like Texas, LSU, etc
The thing is last year when the Big Ten went 7-1 they didn't use bowl games as a barometer. It's used whenever it fits the narrative being pushed.
The thing is last year when the Big Ten went 7-1 they didn't use bowl games as a barometer. It's used whenever it fits the narrative being pushed.
I'm not arguing the overall point, I think BOTH conferences have really good teams at the top.
If you haven't noticed, the things that get me to post most of the time are using different standards for the same thing, or using opinion as fact, or appearing to deliberately use only particular facts instead of whole picture.
For example, Ohio State only beat 4 ranked teams (Penn State, Michigan, Northwestern, and Washington). When in fact, they beat 6 at the time (add TCU and Michigan State). A person trying to only use one set of facts to bolster their argument will only use one of them. They can then, and some do, turn around and use the opposite side to make a point.
Or let's use something in the pros, and hot topic on this thread in past year. Saquon Barkley is soooooo great he had all these yards. True. Take out the big plays and YPC goes way down. So one side of the argument says he isnt a complete workhorse and is assisted some by big plays. True. The opposite opinion will look at other parts as complete.
Or for a national audience, and what REALLY gets me, is someone like Colin Cowherd who uses completely different standards. Example: someone he likes, say a Darnold or Luck, throw an INT, I dont care about INT, when BM threw 3 against Baltimore, its ALL about the INT.
Just trying to keep everyone honest. The way I look at things is I try to look at both sides. So if we are to look at # of ranked teams as the 1st example, if you are saying at the time they played and I am saying using the final standings, then we are discussing 2 different things.
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