GREG WILLIAMS OUT
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My bad... One site had both of them up on the DC list... But who?
Dick LeBeau....at what? 80 years old? OK, no there.
Others say that since Kitchens is SO green....he should surround himself with former HCs at DC/OC.
Some names for DC:
Mike Nolan LB coach New Orleans (former 49er HC)
Chuck Pagano former Colts HC
Steve Wilks....recently fired Cards HC
Vance Joseph...recent fired Broncos HC
Jim Caldwell....former Lions HC
Other names...not prior HCs:
John Pagano...LB coach, Houston (not sure if related to Chuck)
Chris Hewitt DB coach Balt.
Brian Flores, LB coach Pats.
Dick LeBeau....at what? 80 years old? OK, no there.
Others say that since Kitchens is SO green....he should surround himself with former HCs at DC/OC.
Some names for DC:
Mike Nolan LB coach New Orleans (former 49er HC)
Chuck Pagano former Colts HC
Steve Wilks....recently fired Cards HC
Vance Joseph...recent fired Broncos HC
Jim Caldwell....former Lions HC
Other names...not prior HCs:
John Pagano...LB coach, Houston (not sure if related to Chuck)
Chris Hewitt DB coach Balt.
Brian Flores, LB coach Pats.
Dom Capers also comes to mind.
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Bounty Hunter has nothing to worry about...the question is what current head coach will get fired(could be one of 11) so that he will step into one of those hc jobs that was begging for him....
https://deadspin.com/gregg-williams-is-now-free-to-talk-to-all-of-those-nfl-1831612222
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Am sure GW won’t be short of job offers as a DC albeit a few less than the HC offers he used to get before even interviewing ?
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Im disappointed gw didnt work out. I was positive that if they just built on last years scheme that we had an amazeballs defense. I thought the defense we had in the philly preseason game was what we would run with the rest of the season. If some of the weird scheme stuff he did during the year was a result of roster moves he didnt want but was overruled, than i worry we might have another walrus shuffling around berea. Shame. I really thought with a healthy myles and ward added to last years defebse, among some other tweaks.... that we would have had a top 10 D.
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2 former defensive coaches that come to my mind that are out of the league, but would less'en the load on freddie would be Jack Del Rio or John Fox...Both were good enough at it, they both landed head coaching jobs..del rio is 55 & i think fits the attitude of the new browns.Steve Wilks was a good players coach at Carolina also..High Respect Gregg Williams! You took the worst tackling team I've ever seen & got them much Better..When Hue & Haley threw knives in the players backs..GW was their to pull them out & fight back..Thanks Gregg & good luck!
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
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I like GW. The guys responded to him. Hope Kitchens can be tough enough to get these millionaires to pay attention. We'll see, can't wait.
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Am sure GW won’t be short of job offers as a DC albeit a few less than the HC offers he used to get before even interviewing ?
Am sure GW won’t be short of job offers as a DC albeit a few less than the HC offers he used to get before even interviewing ?
bounty hunter will probably latch on somewhere as a DC(i say probably, it's not a sure thing) but this idea that he's going to be able to go wherever he wants as DC is ludicrous. There is a large % of the nfl that simply doesnt want to be associated with him at all. be it DC, linebackers coach, or even concession stand worker.
Im thinking he gets another job, but its not a lock.
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Bounty Hunter has nothing to worry about...the question is what current head coach will get fired(could be one of 11) so that he will step into one of those hc jobs that was begging for him....
https://deadspin.com/gregg-williams-is-now-free-to-talk-to-all-of-those-nfl-1831612222
Bounty Hunter has nothing to worry about...the question is what current head coach will get fired(could be one of 11) so that he will step into one of those hc jobs that was begging for him....
https://deadspin.com/gregg-williams-is-now-free-to-talk-to-all-of-those-nfl-1831612222
Someone said it 1\2 jokingly- but now it's not out of the realm of possibility. Williams as HC of the Bengals....
Im disappointed gw didnt work out. I was positive that if they just built on last years scheme that we had an amazeballs defense. I thought the defense we had in the philly preseason game was what we would run with the rest of the season. If some of the weird scheme stuff he did during the year was a result of roster moves he didnt want but was overruled, than i worry we might have another walrus shuffling around berea. Shame. I really thought with a healthy myles and ward added to last years defebse, among some other tweaks.... that we would have had a top 10 D.
As I see it... Keeping Williams as HC, and Freddie as OC meant. If Mayfield blows up this coming season, Freddie would have been for sure gone to another team as HC. Dorsey may have figured it would be easier to replace Williams than Kitchens....
Was he promoted a year too early? Maybe. But Dorsey didn't want to risk losing him. And regarding JD- he hasn't made too many mistakes so far, let's see how this turns out.
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Bounty Hunter has nothing to worry about...the question is what current head coach will get fired(could be one of 11) so that he will step into one of those hc jobs that was begging for him....
https://deadspin.com/gregg-williams-is-now-free-to-talk-to-all-of-those-nfl-1831612222
Someone said it 1\2 jokingly- but now it's not out of the realm of possibility. Williams as HC of the Bengals....
Im disappointed gw didnt work out. I was positive that if they just built on last years scheme that we had an amazeballs defense. I thought the defense we had in the philly preseason game was what we would run with the rest of the season. If some of the weird scheme stuff he did during the year was a result of roster moves he didnt want but was overruled, than i worry we might have another walrus shuffling around berea. Shame. I really thought with a healthy myles and ward added to last years defebse, among some other tweaks.... that we would have had a top 10 D.
As I see it... Keeping Williams as HC, and Freddie as OC meant. If Mayfield blows up this coming season, Freddie would have been for sure gone to another team as HC. Dorsey may have figured it would be easier to replace Williams than Kitchens....
Was he promoted a year too early? Maybe. But Dorsey didn't want to risk losing him. And regarding JD- he hasn't made too many mistakes so far, let's see how this turns out.
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I like GW but not as the guy I think could bring a title to CLE. I think his success is a product of the players having a chip on the shoulder from the past 2 seasons and Hue being gone. I don't think he can motivate these guys the same next season when all their opponents next season will take them seriously. His HC record is suspect. I hate him blitzing so much and that timeout he called at the end of the DEN game really raised some red flags. Talent can only carry you so far. I'm hoping Kitchens can be that guy. Young, fresh, innovative. Gregg seems stuck in his ways.
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I'm going to talk out of both sides of my mouth here.
First, our defense has been ranked as close as possible to the bottom of the league in most defensive yardage allowed categories, all year long. - Last year we played defense with basically 10 players and Peppers playing goalie on the other side of the field. That just didn't seem brilliant, but maybe it was. We can't go back and try it another way to find out. Perhaps it's best that we're going with a new DC. (and with the hire of Kitchens, we pretty much HAD to let Gregg go).
Other side of mouth: Williams' defense was aggressive and ball hawking...WITHOUT being undisciplined. The Ghoul predicted players running around like crazed dogs (to borrow an old term) blowing assignments and getting penalties. That wasn't so.
And Gregg took over the team at a point where the team was losing games and lost their HC & OC...and what he did was to bring stability to the ship. There was no more throwing people under the bus. Press conferences were cohesive and more professional.
I join Nickers, and others, who have said Thank You to Gregg Williams! I wish him well.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
Bounty Hunter has nothing to worry about...the question is what current head coach will get fired(could be one of 11) so that he will step into one of those hc jobs that was begging for him....
https://deadspin.com/gregg-williams-is-now-free-to-talk-to-all-of-those-nfl-1831612222
Someone said it 1\2 jokingly- but now it's not out of the realm of possibility. Williams as HC of the Bengals....
Im disappointed gw didnt work out. I was positive that if they just built on last years scheme that we had an amazeballs defense. I thought the defense we had in the philly preseason game was what we would run with the rest of the season. If some of the weird scheme stuff he did during the year was a result of roster moves he didnt want but was overruled, than i worry we might have another walrus shuffling around berea. Shame. I really thought with a healthy myles and ward added to last years defebse, among some other tweaks.... that we would have had a top 10 D.
As I see it... Keeping Williams as HC, and Freddie as OC meant. If Mayfield blows up this coming season, Freddie would have been for sure gone to another team as HC. Dorsey may have figured it would be easier to replace Williams than Kitchens....
Was he promoted a year too early? Maybe. But Dorsey didn't want to risk losing him. And regarding JD- he hasn't made too many mistakes so far, let's see how this turns out.
Someone said it 1\2 jokingly- but now it's not out of the realm of possibility. Williams as HC of the Bengals....
As I see it... Keeping Williams as HC, and Freddie as OC meant. If Mayfield blows up this coming season, Freddie would have been for sure gone to another team as HC. Dorsey may have figured it would be easier to replace Williams than Kitchens....
Was he promoted a year too early? Maybe. But Dorsey didn't want to risk losing him. And regarding JD- he hasn't made too many mistakes so far, let's see how this turns out.
Even sicker would be to see him and Hue in Cincitucky together.... All the same... I appreciated what Williams did here..
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Bounty Hunter has nothing to worry about...the question is what current head coach will get fired(could be one of 11) so that he will step into one of those hc jobs that was begging for him....
https://deadspin.com/gregg-williams-is-now-free-to-talk-to-all-of-those-nfl-1831612222
Someone said it 1\2 jokingly- but now it's not out of the realm of possibility. Williams as HC of the Bengals....
Im disappointed gw didnt work out. I was positive that if they just built on last years scheme that we had an amazeballs defense. I thought the defense we had in the philly preseason game was what we would run with the rest of the season. If some of the weird scheme stuff he did during the year was a result of roster moves he didnt want but was overruled, than i worry we might have another walrus shuffling around berea. Shame. I really thought with a healthy myles and ward added to last years defebse, among some other tweaks.... that we would have had a top 10 D.
As I see it... Keeping Williams as HC, and Freddie as OC meant. If Mayfield blows up this coming season, Freddie would have been for sure gone to another team as HC. Dorsey may have figured it would be easier to replace Williams than Kitchens....
Was he promoted a year too early? Maybe. But Dorsey didn't want to risk losing him. And regarding JD- he hasn't made too many mistakes so far, let's see how this turns out.
Someone said it 1\2 jokingly- but now it's not out of the realm of possibility. Williams as HC of the Bengals....
As I see it... Keeping Williams as HC, and Freddie as OC meant. If Mayfield blows up this coming season, Freddie would have been for sure gone to another team as HC. Dorsey may have figured it would be easier to replace Williams than Kitchens....
Was he promoted a year too early? Maybe. But Dorsey didn't want to risk losing him. And regarding JD- he hasn't made too many mistakes so far, let's see how this turns out.
I’ve seen it reported that GW just might end up in cinciity. He certainly did right by us and I wish him well but please not there. Hard to be too upset with the guy that helped orchestrate the biggest turnaround in club history.
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Eberfluss as DC
Have to give him a promotion, and a lot of $$$ to leave Indy....
EDIT: DC to DC is a lateral move, and if I'm not mistaken, the Colts could block it... Assuming he's still got time left on his contract....
Have to give him a promotion, and a lot of $$$ to leave Indy....
EDIT: DC to DC is a lateral move, and if I'm not mistaken, the Colts could block it... Assuming he's still got time left on his contract....
For the record, we have this discussion every year, any position that isn't the head coach position is considered a lateral move. You can be the flunky donut runner and not be given permission to be a coordinator.
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I will miss Gregg. I hope he finds much success.
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Greg Williams had a major part in turning these players into hungry competitors. I would rather have him with us than against us.
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2 former defensive coaches that come to my mind that are out of the league, but would less'en the load on freddie would be Jack Del Rio or John Fox...Both were good enough at it, they both landed head coaching jobs..del rio is 55 & i think fits the attitude of the new browns.Steve Wilks was a good players coach at Carolina also..High Respect Gregg Williams! You took the worst tackling team I've ever seen & got them much Better..When Hue & Haley threw knives in the players backs..GW was their to pull them out & fight back..Thanks Gregg & good luck!
2 former defensive coaches that come to my mind that are out of the league, but would less'en the load on freddie would be Jack Del Rio or John Fox...Both were good enough at it, they both landed head coaching jobs..del rio is 55 & i think fits the attitude of the new browns.Steve Wilks was a good players coach at Carolina also..High Respect Gregg Williams! You took the worst tackling team I've ever seen & got them much Better..When Hue & Haley threw knives in the players backs..GW was their to pull them out & fight back..Thanks Gregg & good luck!
Well...I mentioned Wilks. And Del Rio could be a name to consider. Fox is decrepit...but who knows....LeBeau was still a DC at like 75+
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