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  • @tour2ma said:

    But then I'm still not 100% sold on Wentz... so there's that... ?

    I bet you like Foles though. ?

    @texasag1969 said:

    I bet you like Foles though. ?

    Well he was my original dark horse coming out of Arizona... so there's that... 😉

    TBH I'm a lil mystified by Nick's success. You just dust him off, set him on the field and he wins... at least that's been the story in Philly. He doesn't have Wentz's tools to be sure, but somehow he just wins.

    As for Wentz... 2nd season in a row he's finished it on the shelf. One is an accident... two is a trend... If I have to fall back on that, so be it. 🥷

    I remember the pre-draft Goff-Wentz debate. One main point by the Wentz folk were his size and durability... so much for that. Similar to 2018's Josh Allen (or Darnold) vs. Rosen (or Mayfield)... and again, it was the big QBs that missed time due to injury.

    Funny game...

  • Haskins over Rosen???

    Shirley, you jest...

  • Haskins over Rosen???

    Shirley, you jest...

    @tour2ma said:

    Haskins over Rosen???

    Shirley, you jest...

    And I know you like Rosen....  But Haskins is going to have the same questions raised about him that we saw with Trubisky, and we know how that turned out. 

    The Cardinals currently have more holes in the roster than swiss cheese, so the only question is will they be willing to pass on a potential generational player (yeah that term seems to come up about every other year now)  in Bosa for a serious haul of draft picks.  For sure if Arizona takes Bosa, the 49ers phone will be ringing off the hook.... 

  • My money is on him being a Jaguar 

    @comeonman said:

    My money is on him being a Jaguar 

    My money is on him being an NFL Flop!

  • Haskins over Rosen???

    Shirley, you jest...

    @tour2ma said:

    Haskins over Rosen???

    Shirley, you jest...

    Absofuckinglutely..........and don't call me Surely.

  • @comeonman said:

    My money is on him being a Jaguar 

    My money is on him being an NFL Flop!

    @nickers said:

    My money is on him being an NFL Flop!

    Who? Rosen....or Haskins?  Or someone else?

  • @nickers said:

    My money is on him being an NFL Flop!

    Who? Rosen....or Haskins?  Or someone else?

    @the-gipper said:

    Who? Rosen....or Haskins?  Or someone else?

    For sure Nickers meant Haskins, and I'm not so sure he's going to flop. I see lots of positive NFL traits in him, and if we didn't have Baker, I'd be very interested.

  • @the-gipper said:

    Who? Rosen....or Haskins?  Or someone else?

    For sure Nickers meant Haskins, and I'm not so sure he's going to flop. I see lots of positive NFL traits in him, and if we didn't have Baker, I'd be very interested.

    @hoorta said:

    For sure Nickers meant Haskins, and I'm not so sure he's going to flop. I see lots of positive NFL traits in him, and if we didn't have Baker, I'd be very interested.

    What you are saying is that there is absolutely no basis for Nicker's position that Haskins would flop, except, perhaps, hate?

  • @nickers said:

    My money is on him being an NFL Flop!

    Who? Rosen....or Haskins?  Or someone else?

    @the-gipper said:

    Who? Rosen....or Haskins?  Or someone else?

    Haskins... I think he'll be pedestrian in the NFL at best... I can't think of anyone that Urban mentored that made any NFL Impact.....

  • @the-gipper said:

    Who? Rosen....or Haskins?  Or someone else?

    Haskins... I think he'll be pedestrian in the NFL at best... I can't think of anyone that Urban mentored that made any NFL Impact.....

    @nickers said:

    Haskins... I think he'll be pedestrian in the NFL at best... I can't think of anyone that Urban mentored that made any NFL Impact.....

    Just fucking with Gipper or are you being serious?

  • @the-gipper said:

    Who? Rosen....or Haskins?  Or someone else?

    Haskins... I think he'll be pedestrian in the NFL at best... I can't think of anyone that Urban mentored that made any NFL Impact.....

    @nickers said:

    Haskins... I think he'll be pedestrian in the NFL at best... I can't think of anyone that Urban mentored that made any NFL Impact.....

    Urban was the one who made Tebow look like a first rounder..

    Edit: who cares who mentored Haskins, he can throw a football with a high level of accuracy. 

  • @nickers said:

    Haskins... I think he'll be pedestrian in the NFL at best... I can't think of anyone that Urban mentored that made any NFL Impact.....

    Just fucking with Gipper or are you being serious?

    @tiamat63 said:

    Just fucking with Gipper or are you being serious?

    I just see moments of lapses with him that I think  will be costly.... Time will tell...

  • @nickers said:

    Haskins... I think he'll be pedestrian in the NFL at best... I can't think of anyone that Urban mentored that made any NFL Impact.....

    Urban was the one who made Tebow look like a first rounder..

    Edit: who cares who mentored Haskins, he can throw a football with a high level of accuracy. 

    @clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

    Urban was the one who made Tebow look like a first rounder..

    Edit: who cares who mentored Haskins, he can throw a football with a high level of accuracy. 

    Potentially merchandizing revenue made Tebow look like a first rounder...

  • @the-gipper said:

    Who? Rosen....or Haskins?  Or someone else?

    Haskins... I think he'll be pedestrian in the NFL at best... I can't think of anyone that Urban mentored that made any NFL Impact.....

    @nickers said:

    Haskins... I think he'll be pedestrian in the NFL at best... I can't think of anyone that Urban mentored that made any NFL Impact.....

    Well....take any major college football coach...and ask the same question:    Saban ....not a single decent NFL QB.  etc. etc.

    The fact is.....only maybe 10 QBs come along each decade that make a major impact, and often from nondescript college programs/coaches. 

    Do you think that Lloyd Carr was a fabulous developer of NFL QBs just because he had Tom Brady (who he only played half the time...preferring Champ Henson).   Where were all the others?   Do you think Phil Fulmer was a great developer of NFL QBs because he had  Peyton play for him? 

    I mean...who the fuck was Drew Brees's HC in college?   Or Ben Rs?  Did they produce a string of good NFL QBs?  

    Name ANY college coach who had a series of good NFL QBs.     I mean....I can only think of like Howard Schnellenberger who had Kelly, Bernie and Vinny.

    It is the QB that makes them a top NFL coach....not the college coach.

  • @clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

    Urban was the one who made Tebow look like a first rounder..

    Edit: who cares who mentored Haskins, he can throw a football with a high level of accuracy. 

    Potentially merchandizing revenue made Tebow look like a first rounder...

    @mld-woody said:

    Josh McDaniels ego made Tebow look like a first rounder...

    FIFY

  • @nickers said:

    Haskins... I think he'll be pedestrian in the NFL at best... I can't think of anyone that Urban mentored that made any NFL Impact.....

    Well....take any major college football coach...and ask the same question:    Saban ....not a single decent NFL QB.  etc. etc.

    The fact is.....only maybe 10 QBs come along each decade that make a major impact, and often from nondescript college programs/coaches. 

    Do you think that Lloyd Carr was a fabulous developer of NFL QBs just because he had Tom Brady (who he only played half the time...preferring Champ Henson).   Where were all the others?   Do you think Phil Fulmer was a great developer of NFL QBs because he had  Peyton play for him? 

    I mean...who the fuck was Drew Brees's HC in college?   Or Ben Rs?  Did they produce a string of good NFL QBs?  

    Name ANY college coach who had a series of good NFL QBs.     I mean....I can only think of like Howard Schnellenberger who had Kelly, Bernie and Vinny.

    It is the QB that makes them a top NFL coach....not the college coach.

    @the-gipper said:

    Well....take any major college football coach...and ask the same question:    Saban ....not a single decent NFL QB.  etc. etc.

    The fact is.....only maybe 10 QBs come along each decade that make a major impact, and often from nondescript college programs/coaches. 

    Do you think that Lloyd Carr was a fabulous developer of NFL QBs just because he had Tom Brady (who he only played half the time...preferring Champ Henson).   Where were all the others?   Do you think Phil Fulmer was a great developer of NFL QBs because he had  Peyton play for him? 

    I mean...who the fuck was Drew Brees's HC in college?   Or Ben Rs?  Did they produce a string of good NFL QBs?  

    Name ANY college coach who had a series of good NFL QBs.     I mean....I can only think of like Howard Schnellenberger who had Kelly, Bernie and Vinny.

    It is the QB that makes them a top NFL coach....not the college coach.

    Sure, but the coach and the system's ability or desire to produce NFL QBs is important to look at. 

    Carr doesn't get the title of QB Whisperer because he coached Brady. But he did have multiple QBs come out of his program that played in the NFL. 

  • @the-gipper said:

    That simply means that both the Oregon QB and Haskins would’ve been a top 10 pick probably want to Giants and one to Jags 

    Not necessarily

    But I see where this is going and I'm good

    @mld-woody said:

    Not necessarily

    But I see where this is going and I'm good

    He did benefit from Herbert staying as he will definitely be the first qb taken, but it is still very likely he would have been picked in the top 10 regardless of Herbert coming out. I see the giants jags and Broncos potentially taking qbs. I'm seeing haskins lock and Jones go top 10. If Herbert were coming out it would be 3 out of Herbert Haskins Lock and Jones getting drafted top 10 and Herbert & Haskins would be two of them for sure.

    Haskins would greatly benefit going to the Giants if Eli is still there so he could sit for a year to refine his skills.

  • @the-gipper said:

    Well....take any major college football coach...and ask the same question:    Saban ....not a single decent NFL QB.  etc. etc.

    The fact is.....only maybe 10 QBs come along each decade that make a major impact, and often from nondescript college programs/coaches. 

    Do you think that Lloyd Carr was a fabulous developer of NFL QBs just because he had Tom Brady (who he only played half the time...preferring Champ Henson).   Where were all the others?   Do you think Phil Fulmer was a great developer of NFL QBs because he had  Peyton play for him? 

    I mean...who the fuck was Drew Brees's HC in college?   Or Ben Rs?  Did they produce a string of good NFL QBs?  

    Name ANY college coach who had a series of good NFL QBs.     I mean....I can only think of like Howard Schnellenberger who had Kelly, Bernie and Vinny.

    It is the QB that makes them a top NFL coach....not the college coach.

    Sure, but the coach and the system's ability or desire to produce NFL QBs is important to look at. 

    Carr doesn't get the title of QB Whisperer because he coached Brady. But he did have multiple QBs come out of his program that played in the NFL. 

    @mld-woody said:

    Sure, but the coach and the system's ability or desire to produce NFL QBs is important to look at. 

    Carr doesn't get the title of QB Whisperer because he coached Brady. But he did have multiple QBs come out of his program that played in the NFL. 

    Well the fact is Ohio State and Meyer always recruited the kinds of quarterbacks that we’re good for the college game and not necessarily for the pro game. You know black Tarkenton’s. white Tarkentons. whatever. more less running quarterbacks not prostyle quarterback’s. Except for art Sleister I don’t know of any supposedly pro style quarterback Ohio State has really had in the last 30 years. Maybe Mike Tomczak. 

  • @mld-woody said:

    Sure, but the coach and the system's ability or desire to produce NFL QBs is important to look at. 

    Carr doesn't get the title of QB Whisperer because he coached Brady. But he did have multiple QBs come out of his program that played in the NFL. 

    Well the fact is Ohio State and Meyer always recruited the kinds of quarterbacks that we’re good for the college game and not necessarily for the pro game. You know black Tarkenton’s. white Tarkentons. whatever. more less running quarterbacks not prostyle quarterback’s. Except for art Sleister I don’t know of any supposedly pro style quarterback Ohio State has really had in the last 30 years. Maybe Mike Tomczak. 

    @the-gipper said:

    Well the fact is Ohio State and Meyer always recruited the kinds of quarterbacks that we’re good for the college game and not necessarily for the pro game. You know black Tarkenton’s. white Tarkentons. whatever. more less running quarterbacks not prostyle quarterback’s. Except for art Sleister I don’t know of any supposedly pro style quarterback Ohio State has really had in the last 30 years. Maybe Mike Tomczak. 

    I'd say Alex Smith whom he had at Utah, turned into a pretty decent pro QB. He only left KC because the magic man Mahomes appeared on the scene, another great runner/thrower from a non-prostyle college program, Texas Tech.

  • @the-gipper said:

    Well the fact is Ohio State and Meyer always recruited the kinds of quarterbacks that we’re good for the college game and not necessarily for the pro game. You know black Tarkenton’s. white Tarkentons. whatever. more less running quarterbacks not prostyle quarterback’s. Except for art Sleister I don’t know of any supposedly pro style quarterback Ohio State has really had in the last 30 years. Maybe Mike Tomczak. 

    I'd say Alex Smith whom he had at Utah, turned into a pretty decent pro QB. He only left KC because the magic man Mahomes appeared on the scene, another great runner/thrower from a non-prostyle college program, Texas Tech.

    @texasag1969 said:

    I'd say Alex Smith whom he had at Utah, turned into a pretty decent pro QB. He only left KC because the magic man Mahomes appeared on the scene, another great runner/thrower from a non-prostyle college program, Texas Tech.

    OK sure he had a guy. But the question was name a coach who in college produced multiple top shelf in the NFL quarterbacks. Can you think of anyone besides Howard Schnellenberger