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  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    @tour2ma said:

    I'll bite...

    How did that turn out? That he's at least as good as Trent Dilfer?

    To his first read... yes...

    And the  kid does go thru progressions... but does he read Defenses?

    Then there's his pocket presence... which is low. Then comes his inability to run and his fall off when under duress.

    He's a prospect to be sure, but I can only repeat what I said initially, spending a high first on him is dubious...

    I was just gonna stay out of this one. But if you want to realistically talk about Haskins, I'll watch from afar.

    @mld-woody said:

    I was just gonna stay out of this one. But if you want to realistically talk about Haskins, I'll watch from afar.

    If you were going to stay out of it you would not have typed a fucking thing on this board about it. 

    MLD WoodyM 1 Reply
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @hoorta said:

    And I know you like Rosen....  But Haskins is going to have the same questions raised about him that we saw with Trubisky, and we know how that turned out.

    I'll bite...

    How did that turn out? That he's at least as good as Trent Dilfer?

    @clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

    Edit: who cares who mentored Haskins, he can throw a football with a high level of accuracy. 

    To his first read... yes...

    And the  kid does go thru progressions... but does he read Defenses?

    Then there's his pocket presence... which is low. Then comes his inability to run and his fall off when under duress.

    He's a prospect to be sure, but I can only repeat what I said initially, spending a high first on him is dubious...

    @tour2ma said:

    I'll bite...

    How did that turn out? That he's at least as good as Trent Dilfer?

    To his first read... yes...

    And the  kid does go thru progressions... but does he read Defenses?

    Then there's his pocket presence... which is low. Then comes his inability to run and his fall off when under duress.

    He's a prospect to be sure, but I can only repeat what I said initially, spending a high first on him is dubious...

    Smarter more experienced people than you have said that he is potentially the number one overall pick. 

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @mld-woody said:

    I was just gonna stay out of this one. But if you want to realistically talk about Haskins, I'll watch from afar.

    If you were going to stay out of it you would not have typed a fucking thing on this board about it. 

    @the-gipper said:

    If you were going to stay out of it you would not have typed a fucking thing on this board about it. 

    Geez, calm down

    Read what others are posting then

    Not perfect. Not a finished product. Has flaws (gasp!). Benefited from the athletes around him.

    Has a great arm. Has a ton of potential. Has no personality red flags. 

    Is being driven up the board because of a very weak QB class. Will still go very high. Should probably sit a year. 

    There 

    You don't always have to pounce on people if they're not calling an OSU player the #1 pick...

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    @the-gipper said:

    If you were going to stay out of it you would not have typed a fucking thing on this board about it. 

    Geez, calm down

    Read what others are posting then

    Not perfect. Not a finished product. Has flaws (gasp!). Benefited from the athletes around him.

    Has a great arm. Has a ton of potential. Has no personality red flags. 

    Is being driven up the board because of a very weak QB class. Will still go very high. Should probably sit a year. 

    There 

    You don't always have to pounce on people if they're not calling an OSU player the #1 pick...

    @mld-woody said:

    Geez, calm down

    Read what others are posting then

    Not perfect. Not a finished product. Has flaws (gasp!). Benefited from the athletes around him.

    Has a great arm. Has a ton of potential. Has no personality red flags. 

    Is being driven up the board because of a very weak QB class. Will still go very high. Should probably sit a year. 

    There 

    You don't always have to pounce on people if they're not calling an OSU player the #1 pick...

    I don’t care if you comment on an Ohio State player. But if you were going to say that you’re not going to comment on Ohio State player and then comment on him then that makes you a liar.  And I note that a lot of people said Baker Mayfield should sit for a year as well. I don’t think in the future that anyone should claim that a first round quarterback should ever sit for a year because it is proven that they don’t need to and it is showing that they Don’t have to

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @mld-woody said:

    Geez, calm down

    Read what others are posting then

    Not perfect. Not a finished product. Has flaws (gasp!). Benefited from the athletes around him.

    Has a great arm. Has a ton of potential. Has no personality red flags. 

    Is being driven up the board because of a very weak QB class. Will still go very high. Should probably sit a year. 

    There 

    You don't always have to pounce on people if they're not calling an OSU player the #1 pick...

    I don’t care if you comment on an Ohio State player. But if you were going to say that you’re not going to comment on Ohio State player and then comment on him then that makes you a liar.  And I note that a lot of people said Baker Mayfield should sit for a year as well. I don’t think in the future that anyone should claim that a first round quarterback should ever sit for a year because it is proven that they don’t need to and it is showing that they Don’t have to

    @the-gipper said:

    I don’t care if you comment on an Ohio State player. But if you were going to say that you’re not going to comment on Ohio State player and then comment on him then that makes you a liar. 

    You 100% care. If I say anything about OSU I get the "Gip quoted you" message shortly after. Every time

    I wasn't going to anymore in this thread. Then I was met with your normal Gip self in a reply. So now I commented. 

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    @the-gipper said:

    I don’t care if you comment on an Ohio State player. But if you were going to say that you’re not going to comment on Ohio State player and then comment on him then that makes you a liar. 

    You 100% care. If I say anything about OSU I get the "Gip quoted you" message shortly after. Every time

    I wasn't going to anymore in this thread. Then I was met with your normal Gip self in a reply. So now I commented. 

    @mld-woody said:

    You 100% care. If I say anything about OSU I get the "Gip quoted you" message shortly after. Every time

    I wasn't going to anymore in this thread. Then I was met with your normal Gip self in a reply. So now I commented. 

    Fair enough. The more you comment the more you make a fool of yourself so be it. 

    😂

  • The funny thing is, the question being asked about which coach has had the most Pro QB who could actually play (compared to competition).

    I have an answer. And it is the one who has been getting CRUSHED as being such a terrible hire and not worthy. How about Kliff Kingsbury. Case Keenum, Baker Mayfield, Patrick Mahomes. 2 guys in past 2 years in AFC championship games and a good chance of ROY.

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  • Gunz41G Gunz41

    The funny thing is, the question being asked about which coach has had the most Pro QB who could actually play (compared to competition).

    I have an answer. And it is the one who has been getting CRUSHED as being such a terrible hire and not worthy. How about Kliff Kingsbury. Case Keenum, Baker Mayfield, Patrick Mahomes. 2 guys in past 2 years in AFC championship games and a good chance of ROY.

    @gunz41 said:

    The funny thing is, the question being asked about which coach has had the most Pro QB who could actually play (compared to competition).

    I have an answer. And it is the one who has been getting CRUSHED as being such a terrible hire and not worthy. How about Kliff Kingsbury. Case Keenum, Baker Mayfield, Patrick Mahomes. 2 guys in past 2 years in AFC championship games and a good chance of ROY.

    Good point and in the back my mind I was thinking there was actually someone else besides the ones you mentioned. 

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @gunz41 said:

    The funny thing is, the question being asked about which coach has had the most Pro QB who could actually play (compared to competition).

    I have an answer. And it is the one who has been getting CRUSHED as being such a terrible hire and not worthy. How about Kliff Kingsbury. Case Keenum, Baker Mayfield, Patrick Mahomes. 2 guys in past 2 years in AFC championship games and a good chance of ROY.

    Good point and in the back my mind I was thinking there was actually someone else besides the ones you mentioned. 

    @the-gipper said:

    Good point and in the back my mind I was thinking there was actually someone else besides the ones you mentioned. 

    Manziel.

    The point is, nobody would say Kingsbury was the best coach in college. That would go to the Urban, Saban, Dabo crowd. Its almost as if these college coaches recruit what will help THEM and their team, not the best pro players lol

    But since to some (wont mention names), its ALL about having the best PRO QB in college and developing them into such, then looks like all those people talking about how terrible Kingsbury is dont know anything. Since he has coached those guys and those guys have had success, then KK is Lombardi, Parcells, Walsh, Belichick, and McVay all rolled into 1.

  • Gunz41G Gunz41

    The funny thing is, the question being asked about which coach has had the most Pro QB who could actually play (compared to competition).

    I have an answer. And it is the one who has been getting CRUSHED as being such a terrible hire and not worthy. How about Kliff Kingsbury. Case Keenum, Baker Mayfield, Patrick Mahomes. 2 guys in past 2 years in AFC championship games and a good chance of ROY.

    @gunz41 said:

    The funny thing is, the question being asked about which coach has had the most Pro QB who could actually play (compared to competition).

    I have an answer. And it is the one who has been getting CRUSHED as being such a terrible hire and not worthy. How about Kliff Kingsbury. Case Keenum, Baker Mayfield, Patrick Mahomes. 2 guys in past 2 years in AFC championship games and a good chance of ROY.

    Baker walked on to Kingsbury's team, won games, then got injured. 

    Kingsbury then chose not to give him a scholarship, so Baker transferred to OU.

    Kinda hard to give him credit for Baker

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    @gunz41 said:

    The funny thing is, the question being asked about which coach has had the most Pro QB who could actually play (compared to competition).

    I have an answer. And it is the one who has been getting CRUSHED as being such a terrible hire and not worthy. How about Kliff Kingsbury. Case Keenum, Baker Mayfield, Patrick Mahomes. 2 guys in past 2 years in AFC championship games and a good chance of ROY.

    Baker walked on to Kingsbury's team, won games, then got injured. 

    Kingsbury then chose not to give him a scholarship, so Baker transferred to OU.

    Kinda hard to give him credit for Baker

    @mld-woody said:

    Baker walked on to Kingsbury's team, won games, then got injured. 

    Kingsbury then chose not to give him a scholarship, so Baker transferred to OU.

    Kinda hard to give him credit for Baker

    Again, that is not really the question.  The question is:  did he coach him?  Did he help develop him? 

    I doubt that Howard Schellenberger was solely responsible for the development of Jim Kelly, Bernie Kosar, and Vinny Testaverde....but he did have a hand in it with all of them.

    And on this subject, I guess we cannot overlook another guy who coached 3 HOF QBs while they were in college:

    Bear Bryant.    He had Starr...I believe (or did he) and he definitely had Namath and Stabler.  (Richard Todd was decent..but was he under Bryant?

    And we should mention  LaVelle Edwards of BYU......Steve Young, Marc Wilson (a decent NFL QB in his day),   Jim McMahon  (plus a couple of other lesser lights...like Ty Detmer, Robbi Bosco)

    What about Don James?  HC of the Washington Huskies.  Not sure if he was coach there, but you had Warren Moon and Mark Brunell...and Chris Chandler?

    Also...refresh my memory.....But did Joe Montana and Joe Theisman have the same HC at ND?  Or did one play for Parseghian and the other for Devine?  The other top ND prospect is Daryl Lamonica.  Pretty sure he was Parsghian.   So Parseghian had at least two quality NFL QBs...if not 3. 

    IF you are going to credit Pete Carroll at USC, it would be for  Palmer and Matt Cassell....who had a decent career as a backup....or even Sanchez...but not for Leinert.

    Anyone else?

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @mld-woody said:

    Baker walked on to Kingsbury's team, won games, then got injured. 

    Kingsbury then chose not to give him a scholarship, so Baker transferred to OU.

    Kinda hard to give him credit for Baker

    Again, that is not really the question.  The question is:  did he coach him?  Did he help develop him? 

    I doubt that Howard Schellenberger was solely responsible for the development of Jim Kelly, Bernie Kosar, and Vinny Testaverde....but he did have a hand in it with all of them.

    And on this subject, I guess we cannot overlook another guy who coached 3 HOF QBs while they were in college:

    Bear Bryant.    He had Starr...I believe (or did he) and he definitely had Namath and Stabler.  (Richard Todd was decent..but was he under Bryant?

    And we should mention  LaVelle Edwards of BYU......Steve Young, Marc Wilson (a decent NFL QB in his day),   Jim McMahon  (plus a couple of other lesser lights...like Ty Detmer, Robbi Bosco)

    What about Don James?  HC of the Washington Huskies.  Not sure if he was coach there, but you had Warren Moon and Mark Brunell...and Chris Chandler?

    Also...refresh my memory.....But did Joe Montana and Joe Theisman have the same HC at ND?  Or did one play for Parseghian and the other for Devine?  The other top ND prospect is Daryl Lamonica.  Pretty sure he was Parsghian.   So Parseghian had at least two quality NFL QBs...if not 3. 

    IF you are going to credit Pete Carroll at USC, it would be for  Palmer and Matt Cassell....who had a decent career as a backup....or even Sanchez...but not for Leinert.

    Anyone else?

    @the-gipper said:

    Anyone else?

    Tom OBrien has Matt Ryan and Russell Wilson as a head coach 05-06 with Matty ice and three years with Wilson at NC state

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  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    @gunz41 said:

    The funny thing is, the question being asked about which coach has had the most Pro QB who could actually play (compared to competition).

    I have an answer. And it is the one who has been getting CRUSHED as being such a terrible hire and not worthy. How about Kliff Kingsbury. Case Keenum, Baker Mayfield, Patrick Mahomes. 2 guys in past 2 years in AFC championship games and a good chance of ROY.

    Baker walked on to Kingsbury's team, won games, then got injured. 

    Kingsbury then chose not to give him a scholarship, so Baker transferred to OU.

    Kinda hard to give him credit for Baker

    @mld-woody said:

    Baker walked on to Kingsbury's team, won games, then got injured. 

    Kingsbury then chose not to give him a scholarship, so Baker transferred to OU.

    Kinda hard to give him credit for Baker

    Well that is true, and it could also be used to go that maybe Kingsbury didn't have anything to do with any of them, just happened to get lucky. Which almost shows that it has MORE to do with individual players.

    But that was way past my point anyway. My point was that 99.9% of America has said how terrible Kingsbury hire is, he had a losing record at TT, etc. Well if it is JUST about coaching a college QB who had success, then he is the best hire in a long time. 

    Hatred for certain coaches is fueling this debate. Saying Urban, Saban, etc, well they aren't in the business of recruiting what will be the best pro prospect, they are in the business of recruiting the best player for them in college. So while JT Barrett, Cardale Jones, Braxton Miller, Jalen Hurts, etc may not be pro QBs, they certainly worked in college.

    But I digress, let's use an example how silly it is to say that JUST because Haskins played at Ohio State and was coached by Urban he wont make it in pros.

    T.C Ostrander, Tavita Pritchard, Alex Loukas, ANDREW LUCK, Jake Rudock, Wilton Speight, John O'Korn, Shane Morris, Brandon Peters, Shea Patterson, Dylan McCaffrey, Joe Milton.

    All those QBs played under Jim Harbaugh. Did he only know how to coach QB for 2 years with Andrew Luck? Or maybe, just maybe it has something to do with the player. That coming from one of these "QB whisperers", while that isnt spoken about Meyer.

    That is obviously only 1 example

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