Browns hire OC Todd Monken
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Daryl Ruiter@RuiterWrongFANImportant point made by new head coach Freddie Kitchens: offense and terminology will remain the same with new OC Todd Monken "he understands that him learning something new is a hell of a lot easier than 90-something other guys" #BrownsAsking Monken to learn the terminology rather than the entire offense is a genius move. Loving this staff so far...
Asking Monken to learn the terminology rather than the entire offense is a genius move. Loving this staff so far...
But wasn't it Haley's offense, plays & terminology?
I'm assuming that Freddie doesn't have his own.
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Asking Monken to learn the terminology rather than the entire offense is a genius move. Loving this staff so far...
But wasn't it Haley's offense, plays & terminology?
I'm assuming that Freddie doesn't have his own.
But wasn't it Haley's offense, plays & terminology?
I'm assuming that Freddie doesn't have his own.
Offense is the same across the NFL, just different terms used in different offenses. Most teams run plays and route trees that look the same.
Haley was calling screens, reverses, and running plays in flat out passing situations. It’s all about the philosophy behind the playcalling.
The O looked way different after Freddie took over, remember the wishbone breaking out for the ATL game?
He is a creative offensive mind. He made sure Chubb got his deserving workload, utilized Duke, and worked with Mayfield to use plays that #6 was comfortable running. That is why the offense was so much better afterwards.
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Asking Monken to learn the terminology rather than the entire offense is a genius move. Loving this staff so far...
But wasn't it Haley's offense, plays & terminology?
I'm assuming that Freddie doesn't have his own.
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But wasn't it Haley's offense, plays & terminology?
I'm assuming that Freddie doesn't have his own.
Offense is the same across the NFL, just different terms used in different offenses. Most teams run plays and route trees that look the same.
Haley was calling screens, reverses, and running plays in flat out passing situations. It’s all about the philosophy behind the playcalling.
The O looked way different after Freddie took over, remember the wishbone breaking out for the ATL game?
He is a creative offensive mind. He made sure Chubb got his deserving workload, utilized Duke, and worked with Mayfield to use plays that #6 was comfortable running. That is why the offense was so much better afterwards.
Offense is the same across the NFL, just different terms used in different offenses. Most teams run plays and route trees that look the same.
Haley was calling screens, reverses, and running plays in flat out passing situations. It’s all about the philosophy behind the playcalling.
The O looked way different after Freddie took over, remember the wishbone breaking out for the ATL game?
He is a creative offensive mind. He made sure Chubb got his deserving workload, utilized Duke, and worked with Mayfield to use plays that #6 was comfortable running. That is why the offense was so much better afterwards.
& anyway you have to change the code words frequently and maybe even on a game to game basis. I'll let Tia comment on this.. Other teams will know really fast what triple x laser wham right means really quick.
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I live in the area and the Bucs' oline only had 1 reliable guy (Ali Marpet from Hobart); and he played injured much of the year. If you go back and watch when Fitzpatrick was tearing it up, including scoring 42 points on the Saints in the opener, there's some things to like about what the TB offense accomplished in spite of their line. All the fan fuss on the radio seemed to be about their oline and lack of pass rush - aside from the impatience with Winston on and off the field (especially when they saw the first few performances of Fitzpatrick in comparison). Many thought the GM should have been fired too...
I live in the area as well.. DeSean Jackson checking out on the team didn't help either Monken well do well for the Browns..
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Offense is the same across the NFL, just different terms used in different offenses. Most teams run plays and route trees that look the same.
Haley was calling screens, reverses, and running plays in flat out passing situations. It’s all about the philosophy behind the playcalling.
The O looked way different after Freddie took over, remember the wishbone breaking out for the ATL game?
He is a creative offensive mind. He made sure Chubb got his deserving workload, utilized Duke, and worked with Mayfield to use plays that #6 was comfortable running. That is why the offense was so much better afterwards.
& anyway you have to change the code words frequently and maybe even on a game to game basis. I'll let Tia comment on this.. Other teams will know really fast what triple x laser wham right means really quick.
& anyway you have to change the code words frequently and maybe even on a game to game basis. I'll let Tia comment on this.. Other teams will know really fast what triple x laser wham right means really quick.
Yes, triple x laser is my favorite play, EVER
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Yes, triple x laser is my favorite play, EVER
LOL, I don't play Madden though....
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Is that a gruden play. Lazer split banana cross fade cherry on top?
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Offense is the same across the NFL, just different terms used in different offenses. Most teams run plays and route trees that look the same.
Haley was calling screens, reverses, and running plays in flat out passing situations. It’s all about the philosophy behind the playcalling.
The O looked way different after Freddie took over, remember the wishbone breaking out for the ATL game?
He is a creative offensive mind. He made sure Chubb got his deserving workload, utilized Duke, and worked with Mayfield to use plays that #6 was comfortable running. That is why the offense was so much better afterwards.
& anyway you have to change the code words frequently and maybe even on a game to game basis. I'll let Tia comment on this.. Other teams will know really fast what triple x laser wham right means really quick.
Other teams will know really fast what triple x laser wham right means really quick.
Yes, triple x laser is my favorite play, EVER
Wait is that the one with Jenna Jameson and the banana??
️? Loved that play!!?
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Why don't you enlighten me then? Tell us all about how using Haley's playbook last year has any impact on the team this year...
Because it's Todd Haley's playbook. (at least that's my understanding) I should think that Freddie is going to make quite a few changes to that book in making the offense his own over the offseason.
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Don't let that get to you too much. Freddie deserves a shot to call the plays simply because our offense was too dynamic to think about giving that duty to someone else for the start of the season. If it's obvious that ain't working out Monken is a very good hire to step up a bit more. There's many coaches (Payton and McVay come to mind) who call the plays and also HC. I'm willing to give it a shot that's for sure.
Freddie said in the presser that he's still calling the plays. Could be Todd will be able to suggest what and when from the sideline.
The plus is the terminology won't change, how often have we seen guys having to learn a new playbook every August?
Freddie said in the presser that he's still calling the plays. Could be Todd will be able to suggest what and when from the sideline.
The plus is the terminology won't change, how often have we seen guys having to learn a new playbook every August?
Definitely. Even simpler to me is that Freddie had this offense top 5-7 in the league coming in 1/2 way through the season. To not allow that ball to keep rolling would be extremely foolish.
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Why don't you enlighten me then? Tell us all about how using Haley's playbook last year has any impact on the team this year...
Because it's Todd Haley's playbook. (at least that's my understanding) I should think that Freddie is going to make quite a few changes to that book in making the offense his own over the offseason.
Because it's Todd Haley's playbook. (at least that's my understanding) I should think that Freddie is going to make quite a few changes to that book in making the offense his own over the offseason.
didn't even get close to answering the question...yes, freddie was using todds playbook last year (with some tweeks). of course he and monken are going to add and subtract, make changes. so what? i asked why you think its an issue that todds playbook is the starting point? particularly, in regards to the original tweet that said its easier for monken to learn the new terminology that the 90+ players.
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Because it's Todd Haley's playbook. (at least that's my understanding) I should think that Freddie is going to make quite a few changes to that book in making the offense his own over the offseason.
didn't even get close to answering the question...yes, freddie was using todds playbook last year (with some tweeks). of course he and monken are going to add and subtract, make changes. so what? i asked why you think its an issue that todds playbook is the starting point? particularly, in regards to the original tweet that said its easier for monken to learn the new terminology that the 90+ players.
didn't even get close to answering the question...yes, freddie was using todds playbook last year (with some tweeks). of course he and monken are going to add and subtract, make changes. so what? i asked why you think its an issue that todds playbook is the starting point? particularly, in regards to the original tweet that said its easier for monken to learn the new terminology that the 90+ players.
Because there's going to be substantial new stuff to learn either way.
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didn't even get close to answering the question...yes, freddie was using todds playbook last year (with some tweeks). of course he and monken are going to add and subtract, make changes. so what? i asked why you think its an issue that todds playbook is the starting point? particularly, in regards to the original tweet that said its easier for monken to learn the new terminology that the 90+ players.
Because there's going to be substantial new stuff to learn either way.
Because there's going to be substantial new stuff to learn either way.
Irrelevant, because that's true regardless of who was hired. And that's kind of the idea tbh, because there won't be much success if our offense is the same shit as last year. Geez man....stop looking for shit to bitch about. Conditioning is a bitch, but you seriously think where kitchens playbouke comes from is even an issue? Or that the team has to learn new plays? Where'd they learn last year's plays?
I apologize, but damn...break the cycle.
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Because there's going to be substantial new stuff to learn either way.
Irrelevant, because that's true regardless of who was hired. And that's kind of the idea tbh, because there won't be much success if our offense is the same shit as last year. Geez man....stop looking for shit to bitch about. Conditioning is a bitch, but you seriously think where kitchens playbouke comes from is even an issue? Or that the team has to learn new plays? Where'd they learn last year's plays?
I apologize, but damn...break the cycle.
I apologize, but damn...break the cycle.
Just so I understand it correctly....we brought in an OC (Todd Monken) to help run/teach a tweaked version of Todd Haley's offense.
...and that's fine, if that's what we saw over the second half of last season. I expected, however, that Kitchens would roll out HIS version of a playbook next year...with many of the same concepts and plays, plus a whole lot more that couldn't possibly be installed when he took over after the Steelers loss. Ergo, I found it odd that Freddie's indicating that Monken would be the only guy that had to learn anything new.
Believe me, I'm happy that he brought in an OC. He's going to have A LOT more to do as a HC than he's ever had to do before. Monken and Wilks will help keep Freddie from getting inundated.
I'm curious as to how he will be as a game managing HC. That's something we didn't get to see. Williams was HC...and in charge of time outs, punt or go for it, P.A.T. or go for 2, etc.
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I think all that tweet was saying was Monken is going to learn the play terminology they had been using as a starting point, and then develop plays from there.
If “Triple x laser right” was actually called “Donkey Kong dancing dildo” in Kitchens’ playbook, then it will continue to be called “Donkey Kong dancing dildo”, at least for starters.
Monkens may have previously referred to that play as “Omaha”, or some shit, but instead of teaching 90 guys that “Donkey Kong dancing dildo” is now “Omaha”, they are instead making one guy learn that “Omaha” is now “Donkey Kong dancing dildo.”
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I think all that tweet was saying was Monken is going to learn the play terminology they had been using as a starting point, and then develop plays from there.
If “Triple x laser right” was actually called “Donkey Kong dancing dildo” in Kitchens’ playbook, then it will continue to be called “Donkey Kong dancing dildo”, at least for starters.
Monkens may have previously referred to that play as “Omaha”, or some shit, but instead of teaching 90 guys that “Donkey Kong dancing dildo” is now “Omaha”, they are instead making one guy learn that “Omaha” is now “Donkey Kong dancing dildo.”
Monkens may have previously referred to that play as “Omaha”, or some shit, but instead of teaching 90 guys that “Donkey Kong dancing dildo” is now “Omaha”, they are instead making one guy learn that “Omaha” is now “Donkey Kong dancing dildo.”
https://www.sbnation.com/2017/4/12/15279674/peyton-manning-omaha-why-does-he-say-it-broncos-colts
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Monkens may have previously referred to that play as “Omaha”, or some shit, but instead of teaching 90 guys that “Donkey Kong dancing dildo” is now “Omaha”, they are instead making one guy learn that “Omaha” is now “Donkey Kong dancing dildo.”
https://www.sbnation.com/2017/4/12/15279674/peyton-manning-omaha-why-does-he-say-it-broncos-colts
https://www.sbnation.com/2017/4/12/15279674/peyton-manning-omaha-why-does-he-say-it-broncos-colts
Our QB's of the last few years apart from Baker would say ohmygod
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