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Texas already has a solution - it isn't a shallow, dangerous "red flag" law

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  • calfoxwc C Dedicated Very Popular Conversation Starter Collaborator First Post Posting Machine Reacting Well Week One Done One Year In One Month Later
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    C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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    why can't liberals ever solve solutions?

    because they have ulterior motives for letting the problems continue, and giving them

    more power to their power ends.

    https://www.ammoland.com/2019/01/texas-already-has-extreme-risk-protection-order-laws/?utm_source=Ammoland+Subscribers&utm_campaign=556ff4336a-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6f6fac3eaa-556ff4336a-20770865#axzz5ccBkT2eD

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      why can't liberals ever solve solutions?

      because they have ulterior motives for letting the problems continue, and giving them

      more power to their power ends.

      https://www.ammoland.com/2019/01/texas-already-has-extreme-risk-protection-order-laws/?utm_source=Ammoland+Subscribers&utm_campaign=556ff4336a-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6f6fac3eaa-556ff4336a-20770865#axzz5ccBkT2eD

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      LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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      @calfoxwc said:

      why can't liberals ever solve solutions?

      because they have ulterior motives for letting the problems continue, and giving them

      more power to their power ends.

      https://www.ammoland.com/2019/01/texas-already-has-extreme-risk-protection-order-laws/?utm_source=Ammoland+Subscribers&utm_campaign=556ff4336a-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6f6fac3eaa-556ff4336a-20770865#axzz5ccBkT2eD

      Trump is pro "red flag" laws by the way.

      Starts at 1:25

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        LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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        "Due process later"

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          C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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          that is a stupid mistake - it "Pollyanna" -ish ignores the waiting abuse of such laws.

          It's already happened with SWAT teams.

          Swatting - Wikipedia

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatting
           
          Swatting is the harassment tactic of deceiving an emergency service (via such means as hoaxing an emergency services dispatcher) into sending a police and emergency service response team to another person's address.
          ‎Origins · ‎Laws · ‎Injuries or deaths due to ... · ‎Other notable cases
           

          Man Pleads Guilty to 'Swatting' Hoax That Resulted in a Fatal Shooting ...

           
          https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/13/us/barriss-swatting-wichita.html
          Nov 13, 2018 - Prosecutors say that in addition to initiating the swatting episode in Kansas — where he entered his plea on Tuesday — Mr. Barriss made ...
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          • LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares

            "Due process later"

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            OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by OldBrownsFan
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            @logicisforsquares said:

            "Due process later"

            Trump has some character flaws but one I like with Trump is that he may demand loyalty from those around him but he seems to be loyal back as well. From the evangelical Christian point of view he has come through very well in paying back for their support such as being the most pro life president ever. How pro life is Trump really? Let's say he is not really but became pro life for our votes. The fact remains he has done well for us and religious freedom rights as president.

            I see the same on the gun issue. Trump did use to be pro gun control and supported the ban on "assault rifles" in the 90's. I am not sure how much by nature he is really a gun rights advocate but he has been loyal to the NRA who supported him. He has said some really cringe worthy things such as suspending due process on the second amendment. I remember though after him saying that he got really quiet about that later and I have to believe the NRA had his ear and got him back on the reservation. And we will always be better off with him as president than with Clinton who hates the NRA and likely the second amendment as well.

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              LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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              https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4774130/william-barr-red-flag-gun-control-laws

              https://gunowners.org/alert11519.htm

              Trump’s nominee for AG is pro red flag, Brady Bill,  and gun control in general. 

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                LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                Trump is a NYC Dem his whole life and now gets to play an obnoxious RINO.

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                  Trump is a NYC Dem his whole life and now gets to play an obnoxious RINO.

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                  @logicisforsquares said:

                  Trump is a NYC Dem his whole life and now gets to play an obnoxious RINO.

                  In some ways yes indeed. I think most Americans are softer on the Second Amendment then you.  So your option is to join up with tex and vote for Hillary or Beto O'Rourke or Bernie Sanders or Cortez or anybody you want and claim your striking a blow for truth justice and the American way.

                  Of course the goalposts have been changed, today and New York City Democrat is de Blasio.

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                    @logicisforsquares said:

                    Trump is a NYC Dem his whole life and now gets to play an obnoxious RINO.

                    In some ways yes indeed. I think most Americans are softer on the Second Amendment then you.  So your option is to join up with tex and vote for Hillary or Beto O'Rourke or Bernie Sanders or Cortez or anybody you want and claim your striking a blow for truth justice and the American way.

                    Of course the goalposts have been changed, today and New York City Democrat is de Blasio.

                    WSS

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                    LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                    @westside-steve said:

                    In some ways yes indeed. I think most Americans are softer on the Second Amendment then you.  So your option is to join up with tex and vote for Hillary or Beto O'Rourke or Bernie Sanders or Cortez or anybody you want and claim your striking a blow for truth justice and the American way.

                    Of course the goalposts have been changed, today and New York City Democrat is de Blasio.

                    WSS

                    Huffing a fart is better than eating shit but I shouldn’t be happy about huffing a fart.

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                      LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                      Diet Dem (Trump) and Dem (Hillary). Both for gun control, one more rabid than the other.

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                        @westside-steve said:

                        In some ways yes indeed. I think most Americans are softer on the Second Amendment then you.  So your option is to join up with tex and vote for Hillary or Beto O'Rourke or Bernie Sanders or Cortez or anybody you want and claim your striking a blow for truth justice and the American way.

                        Of course the goalposts have been changed, today and New York City Democrat is de Blasio.

                        WSS

                        Huffing a fart is better than eating shit but I shouldn’t be happy about huffing a fart.

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                        @logicisforsquares said:

                        Huffing a fart is better than eating shit but I shouldn’t be happy about huffing a fart.

                        And yet those are your choices. Of course that's not the only issue there is.

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                          C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by calfoxwc
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                          on principle - it's similar to bump stocks. If someone is on drugs/serious booze and threatens to shoot people with his gun,

                          I can see a legimate reason for the red flag law.

                            But the left has made it a determination to abuse laws for their own ends, and making the law into a farce will happen - that precedent has already been set to a degree with "swatting".

                            "red flagging" will become a far more dangerous activity - leveling false charges because some scumbags are mad at someone, or for personal benefit, like custody of children in divorce, etc.

                            And I'm sure red flag laws will not contain any serious prison time for intentionally falsely charging someone,

                          because it suits the end game of the left to let it be abused.

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                            on principle - it's similar to bump stocks. If someone is on drugs/serious booze and threatens to shoot people with his gun,

                            I can see a legimate reason for the red flag law.

                              But the left has made it a determination to abuse laws for their own ends, and making the law into a farce will happen - that precedent has already been set to a degree with "swatting".

                              "red flagging" will become a far more dangerous activity - leveling false charges because some scumbags are mad at someone, or for personal benefit, like custody of children in divorce, etc.

                              And I'm sure red flag laws will not contain any serious prison time for intentionally falsely charging someone,

                            because it suits the end game of the left to let it be abused.

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                            LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                            @calfoxwc said:

                            on principle - it's similar to bump stocks. If someone is on drugs/serious booze and threatens to shoot people with his gun,

                            I can see a legimate reason for the red flag law.

                              But the left has made it a determination to abuse laws for their own ends, and making the law into a farce will happen - that precedent has already been set to a degree with "swatting".

                              "red flagging" will become a far more dangerous activity - leveling false charges because some scumbags are mad at someone, or for personal benefit, like custody of children in divorce, etc.

                              And I'm sure red flag laws will not contain any serious prison time for intentionally falsely charging someone,

                            because it suits the end game of the left to let it be abused.

                            The law of unintended consequences. It will lead to a whole bunch of people in a terrible situation, civilian and law enforcement.

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                              C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                              https://www.ammoland.com/2019/01/red-flag-gun-laws-public-safety-or-abuse-of-the-innocent/?utm_source=Ammoland+Subscribers&utm_campaign=b4f7ef16bd-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6f6fac3eaa-b4f7ef16bd-20770865#axzz5cnFej1Ku

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