Antonio Brown
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Myles Garrett Is a beast but you had to suck ass to draft him. I like ogbah too and even ogunjobi. However not everything I say here is in relation to the Browns, it was in relation to comments made. Heyward, tuitt and Hargrave are damn good and only one was drafted in the first round at pick 31!
Myles Garrett Is a beast but you had to suck ass to draft him. I like ogbah too and even ogunjobi. However not everything I say here is in relation to the Browns, it was in relation to comments made. Heyward, tuitt and Hargrave are damn good and only one was drafted in the first round at pick 31!
And you should be worried, because after around 18 years of making blown draft picks an art form, the Browns finally have a GM who knows how to recognize talent. Think Dorsey is a one hit wonder? Pat Mahomes and Tyreek Hill say otherwise.
So...bottom line....Steelers have one guy....jujyjots....that MAY be better if he can prove to be as good as he was but without AB on the other side. Then Browns have at least 4-5 guys that are better than anything else the Squibs have at that position.
I won't argue about the relative merits of our WRs, but Vag is famous for hyping players that in the long run turn out to be busts. He's not looking in the Steeler rearview mirror, but the Browns bus is gaining on them- fast. The Ravens D has already passed them by. Other than 4-5 positions, the talent level between the Browns and Steelers is negligible. I suppose we should thank Pittsburgh for one thing- because our blowout loss to them got the Huebatross and Haley sent packing. If Vag wants to play the "what if"game, I have little doubt if Williams and Kitchens start the year in the positions they ended up in, the Steelers would be looking up at the Browns in the standings. We were a crap kicker away from beating the Steelers and Saints, Balless Hue from beating the Raiders, and a no call helmet hit on Baker plus a fumble by Peppers beating the Bucs....
He's wishin' and hopin' Brown doesn't leave- when their GM already said he's going to be shopped at the Combine. What his market value is remains to be seen. We know Bell is gone.
LOL, here's what Bruce Arians had to say... http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001011019/article/bruce-arians-antonio-brown-too-much-of-a-diva
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Brown isn't gone yet. Juju is better than everyone on your roster at the position. (I had to add "at the position in a quick edit because your goofy ass would spin it otherwise) All I said about Washington is he has the pedigree and had the production in college. He just came into a log jam of talent and had some rookie jitters. You are a delusional Santa. You've been delusional the entire time I've posted here and frankly wrong a lot, at least about the steelers. Shall we go digging and revisit your comments on Connor? He then came out before injury and was running all over everyone. I know I'm in enemy territory so I don't post here very often and I bite my time more often than it may seem. You are still full on mental when it comes to the steelers.
Brown isn't gone yet.
Yes, he is. You are just in denial.
Juju is better than everyone on your roster at the position.
And that is what I said Sherlock of dipsticks.
(I had to add "at the position in a quick edit because your goofy ass would spin it otherwise) All I said about Washington is he has the pedigree and had the production in college. He just came into a log jam of talent and had some rookie jitters.
Yea, like we said....he sucked swamp water....and the Browns had a couple of rookies who did as well or better than he. So don't blame it on him being a rookie.
You are a delusional Santa. You've been delusional the entire time I've posted here and frankly wrong a lot, at least about the steelers. Shall we go digging and revisit your comments on Connor?
By all means. I said that your running game would suffer a downgrade without Bell...and that we didn't know how good Conner would be. So...Connor was OK.....but the Steelers STILL had the 31st ranked rushing attack in the NFL. (and Conners is nowhere the receiver out of the backfield that Bell was.
He then came out before injury and was running all over everyone. I know I'm in enemy territory so I don't post here very often and I bite my time more often than it may seem. You are still full on mental when it comes to the steelers.
Sure...I just made up the fact that AB is a diva...and that your owner proclaimed that his ass would be traded. And I made up the fact that Washington was a pile of suckage to this point (though I would agree that he could likely get better...I liked him coming out of school). And I made up the fact that the Steelers running game was ranked 31st in the NFL. (well....there was ONE team out there that they must have run all over)
OH WAIT.....actually...I did NOT make up any of that. Those are all verifiable facts. OOPs....
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Myles Garrett Is a beast but you had to suck ass to draft him. I like ogbah too and even ogunjobi. However not everything I say here is in relation to the Browns, it was in relation to comments made. Heyward, tuitt and Hargrave are damn good and only one was drafted in the first round at pick 31!
And you should be worried, because after around 18 years of making blown draft picks an art form, the Browns finally have a GM who knows how to recognize talent. Think Dorsey is a one hit wonder? Pat Mahomes and Tyreek Hill say otherwise.
So...bottom line....Steelers have one guy....jujyjots....that MAY be better if he can prove to be as good as he was but without AB on the other side. Then Browns have at least 4-5 guys that are better than anything else the Squibs have at that position.
I won't argue about the relative merits of our WRs, but Vag is famous for hyping players that in the long run turn out to be busts. He's not looking in the Steeler rearview mirror, but the Browns bus is gaining on them- fast. The Ravens D has already passed them by. Other than 4-5 positions, the talent level between the Browns and Steelers is negligible. I suppose we should thank Pittsburgh for one thing- because our blowout loss to them got the Huebatross and Haley sent packing. If Vag wants to play the "what if"game, I have little doubt if Williams and Kitchens start the year in the positions they ended up in, the Steelers would be looking up at the Browns in the standings. We were a crap kicker away from beating the Steelers and Saints, Balless Hue from beating the Raiders, and a no call helmet hit on Baker plus a fumble by Peppers beating the Bucs....
He's wishin' and hopin' Brown doesn't leave- when their GM already said he's going to be shopped at the Combine. What his market value is remains to be seen. We know Bell is gone.
LOL, here's what Bruce Arians had to say... http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001011019/article/bruce-arians-antonio-brown-too-much-of-a-diva
And you should be worried, because after around 18 years of making blown draft picks an art form, the Browns finally have a GM who knows how to recognize talent. Think Dorsey is a one hit wonder? Pat Mahomes and Tyreek Hill say otherwise.
I won't argue about the relative merits of our WRs, but Vag is famous for hyping players that in the long run turn out to be busts. He's not looking in the Steeler rearview mirror, but the Browns bus is gaining on them- fast. The Ravens D has already passed them by. Other than 4-5 positions, the talent level between the Browns and Steelers is negligible. I suppose we should thank Pittsburgh for one thing- because our blowout loss to them got the Huebatross and Haley sent packing. If Vag wants to play the "what if"game, I have little doubt if Williams and Kitchens start the year in the positions they ended up in, the Steelers would be looking up at the Browns in the standings. We were a crap kicker away from beating the Steelers and Saints, Balless Hue from beating the Raiders, and a no call helmet hit on Baker plus a fumble by Peppers beating the Bucs....
He's wishin' and hopin' Brown doesn't leave- when their GM already said he's going to be shopped at the Combine. What his market value is remains to be seen. We know Bell is gone.
LOL, here's what Bruce Arians had to say... http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001011019/article/bruce-arians-antonio-brown-too-much-of-a-diva
Boswell was shit too and the first game was a damn monsoon. You act like the steelers are just going to blow entire drafts and fall into obscurity. The Browns are finally going to field a team worth a shit, that doesn't mean other teams are just going to lay down. Get a fucking grip hoorta. You should be excited about the Browns but you are in a tough division with at least two teams that are normally good. I have to go back to the 2003 to find the last time the steelers didn't have a winning record. They were 6-10 and they drafted big Ben. Sooo let's just say Ben retires sooner than everyone thinks and the steelers suck a season or two and draft in the top 10 like the Browns do almost every damn year. What then? Gonna blow top ten draft picks like the Browns have? I fucking doubt it. Further more who have I hyped up that didn't materialize? The last one was Connor. The delusions here are hilarious. The Steelers have a track record of winning for a long ass time.
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And you should be worried, because after around 18 years of making blown draft picks an art form, the Browns finally have a GM who knows how to recognize talent. Think Dorsey is a one hit wonder? Pat Mahomes and Tyreek Hill say otherwise.
I won't argue about the relative merits of our WRs, but Vag is famous for hyping players that in the long run turn out to be busts. He's not looking in the Steeler rearview mirror, but the Browns bus is gaining on them- fast. The Ravens D has already passed them by. Other than 4-5 positions, the talent level between the Browns and Steelers is negligible. I suppose we should thank Pittsburgh for one thing- because our blowout loss to them got the Huebatross and Haley sent packing. If Vag wants to play the "what if"game, I have little doubt if Williams and Kitchens start the year in the positions they ended up in, the Steelers would be looking up at the Browns in the standings. We were a crap kicker away from beating the Steelers and Saints, Balless Hue from beating the Raiders, and a no call helmet hit on Baker plus a fumble by Peppers beating the Bucs....
He's wishin' and hopin' Brown doesn't leave- when their GM already said he's going to be shopped at the Combine. What his market value is remains to be seen. We know Bell is gone.
LOL, here's what Bruce Arians had to say... http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001011019/article/bruce-arians-antonio-brown-too-much-of-a-diva
Boswell was shit too and the first game was a damn monsoon. You act like the steelers are just going to blow entire drafts and fall into obscurity. The Browns are finally going to field a team worth a shit, that doesn't mean other teams are just going to lay down. Get a fucking grip hoorta. You should be excited about the Browns but you are in a tough division with at least two teams that are normally good. I have to go back to the 2003 to find the last time the steelers didn't have a winning record. They were 6-10 and they drafted big Ben. Sooo let's just say Ben retires sooner than everyone thinks and the steelers suck a season or two and draft in the top 10 like the Browns do almost every damn year. What then? Gonna blow top ten draft picks like the Browns have? I fucking doubt it. Further more who have I hyped up that didn't materialize? The last one was Connor. The delusions here are hilarious. The Steelers have a track record of winning for a long ass time.
Boswell was shit too and the first game was a damn monsoon. You act like the steelers are just going to blow entire drafts and fall into obscurity. The Browns are finally going to field a team worth a shit, that doesn't mean other teams are just going to lay down. Get a fucking grip hoorta. You should be excited about the Browns but you are in a tough division with at least two teams that are normally good. I have to go back to the 2003 to find the last time the steelers didn't have a winning record. They were 6-10 and they drafted big Ben. Sooo let's just say Ben retires sooner than everyone thinks and the steelers suck a season or two and draft in the top 10 like the Browns do almost every damn year. What then? Gonna blow top ten draft picks like the Browns have? I fucking doubt it. Further more who have I hyped up that didn't materialize? The last one was Connor. The delusions here are hilarious. The Steelers have a track record of winning for a long ass time.
Yada, yada, we're good, we've always been good. Is that all you got? FWIW, some of us around here are old enough to remember when the Steelers were worse than the Browns- for a decade or so. Can't happen again? You're damn delusional if you think teams stay on the top forever.
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Boswell was shit too and the first game was a damn monsoon. You act like the steelers are just going to blow entire drafts and fall into obscurity. The Browns are finally going to field a team worth a shit, that doesn't mean other teams are just going to lay down. Get a fucking grip hoorta. You should be excited about the Browns but you are in a tough division with at least two teams that are normally good. I have to go back to the 2003 to find the last time the steelers didn't have a winning record. They were 6-10 and they drafted big Ben. Sooo let's just say Ben retires sooner than everyone thinks and the steelers suck a season or two and draft in the top 10 like the Browns do almost every damn year. What then? Gonna blow top ten draft picks like the Browns have? I fucking doubt it. Further more who have I hyped up that didn't materialize? The last one was Connor. The delusions here are hilarious. The Steelers have a track record of winning for a long ass time.
Yada, yada, we're good, we've always been good. Is that all you got? FWIW, some of us around here are old enough to remember when the Steelers were worse than the Browns- for a decade or so. Can't happen again? You're damn delusional if you think teams stay on the top forever.
Yada, yada, we're good, we've always been good. Is that all you got? FWIW, some of us around here are old enough to remember when the Steelers were worse than the Browns- for a decade or so. Can't happen again? You're damn delusional if you think teams stay on the top forever.
Sure it could happen but the current roster is full of talent. It's not happening in a long stretch anytime soon.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
Yada, yada, we're good, we've always been good. Is that all you got? FWIW, some of us around here are old enough to remember when the Steelers were worse than the Browns- for a decade or so. Can't happen again? You're damn delusional if you think teams stay on the top forever.
Sure it could happen but the current roster is full of talent. It's not happening in a long stretch anytime soon.
Sure it could happen but the current roster is full of talent. It's not happening in a long stretch anytime soon.
Well see... As Chris Berman liked to say "it's why they play the game." Me and Gip are saying the Browns are catching up in talent to the Steelers, it's closer than you think. Are we there yet? Probably (you'll say definitely) not. But us Browns homers like to think another off season like the past one, we're starting out of the gate even in talent. Then there's always injuries. God forbid, Baker gets hurt, all bets are off. You'd be in a bad way too if- to parallel what happened to the Bengals this past season- Ben and Ju-ju missed a bunch of time, and another 8-10 guys went on IR.
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Yada, yada, we're good, we've always been good. Is that all you got? FWIW, some of us around here are old enough to remember when the Steelers were worse than the Browns- for a decade or so. Can't happen again? You're damn delusional if you think teams stay on the top forever.
Sure it could happen but the current roster is full of talent. It's not happening in a long stretch anytime soon.
Sure it could happen but the current roster is full of talent. It's not happening in a long stretch anytime soon.
It is a roster that has some talent. A few guys. BR goes away and you are a six and 10 team maybe.
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Yada, yada, we're good, we've always been good. Is that all you got? FWIW, some of us around here are old enough to remember when the Steelers were worse than the Browns- for a decade or so. Can't happen again? You're damn delusional if you think teams stay on the top forever.
Sure it could happen but the current roster is full of talent. It's not happening in a long stretch anytime soon.
Sure it could happen but the current roster is full of talent. It's not happening in a long stretch anytime soon.
That's the argument in town...Colbert's getting a pass atm, but talents lacking across the board, actually. That defense is pathetic. So you're not gonna win anything of consequence, but it's basically the last hoorah of the black and piss. And that's only if baker doesn't embarrass you at home. ?
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It is a roster that has some talent. A few guys. BR goes away and you are a six and 10 team maybe.
Not in Vag's mind... they have Pro Bowl talent at every position. It's why their sucky 2018 draft almost didn't get on the field...
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Sure it could happen but the current roster is full of talent. It's not happening in a long stretch anytime soon.
That's the argument in town...Colbert's getting a pass atm, but talents lacking across the board, actually. That defense is pathetic. So you're not gonna win anything of consequence, but it's basically the last hoorah of the black and piss. And that's only if baker doesn't embarrass you at home. ?
That's the argument in town...Colbert's getting a pass atm, but talents lacking across the board, actually. That defense is pathetic. So you're not gonna win anything of consequence, but it's basically the last hoorah of the black and piss. And that's only if baker doesn't embarrass you at home. ?
Where is the defense pathetic? We need another corner and maybe a outside linebacker. Don't say "that's the argument in town" like you are actually talking to level headed people. You are knee deep in spoiled yinzer. The defense is far from pathetic. They had a ton of sacks, they just didn't have a bunch of turnovers. Baker already lost to the steelers. I swear you guys are all on drugs.
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That's the argument in town...Colbert's getting a pass atm, but talents lacking across the board, actually. That defense is pathetic. So you're not gonna win anything of consequence, but it's basically the last hoorah of the black and piss. And that's only if baker doesn't embarrass you at home. ?
Where is the defense pathetic? We need another corner and maybe a outside linebacker. Don't say "that's the argument in town" like you are actually talking to level headed people. You are knee deep in spoiled yinzer. The defense is far from pathetic. They had a ton of sacks, they just didn't have a bunch of turnovers. Baker already lost to the steelers. I swear you guys are all on drugs.
Where is the defense pathetic? We need another corner and maybe a outside linebacker. Don't say "that's the argument in town" like you are actually talking to level headed people. You are knee deep in spoiled yinzer. The defense is far from pathetic. They had a ton of sacks, they just didn't have a bunch of turnovers. Baker already lost to the steelers. I swear you guys are all on drugs.
I would not say that the Steeler's defense is pathetic. The do have a good front 7. As I noted...they invested a lot of high draft picks in that area.
And they hit mostly on their front 7. They didn't have the likes of Barkevious Mingo and Danny Shelton....failed first round picks, that the Browns have had on their DL. (Well...they did have Jarvis Jones).
Their defensive backfield on the other hand, may have been pathetic, but not their overall defense.
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Linebackers besides watt are underwhelming.
Williams isn't, Dupree hasn't lived up to his draft billing but was good enough to have his 5th year option picked up. Bostic was a very solid free agent signing AND the steelers aren't drafting at the bottom of the first. They led the league in sacks.
Why don't you just admit you are in the yinzer pipeline where that contingent of fans talk out their ass and only get their info from kdka and wtae.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
It is a roster that has some talent. A few guys. BR goes away and you are a six and 10 team maybe.
Weren't you hyping up Mason Rudolph before the draft? I thought he was your top QB.
Assuming the team continues to develop, they have close to same amount of talent as Stoolers. I certainly think barring catastrophe, they have a brighter future with the age of team. But I also don't think Pitt will fall off a mountain
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It is a roster that has some talent. A few guys. BR goes away and you are a six and 10 team maybe.
Weren't you hyping up Mason Rudolph before the draft? I thought he was your top QB.
Assuming the team continues to develop, they have close to same amount of talent as Stoolers. I certainly think barring catastrophe, they have a brighter future with the age of team. But I also don't think Pitt will fall off a mountain
Weren't you hyping up Mason Rudolph before the draft? I thought he was your top QB.
Assuming the team continues to develop, they have close to same amount of talent as Stoolers. I certainly think barring catastrophe, they have a brighter future with the age of team. But I also don't think Pitt will fall off a mountain
No he wasn’t my top quarterback I said that he could be in there with the other 4 or that were considered the top quarterbacks. Of course unlike the other guys he is not sitting behind a Hall of Fame quarterback. he is doing that.
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Linebackers besides watt are underwhelming.
Williams isn't, Dupree hasn't lived up to his draft billing but was good enough to have his 5th year option picked up. Bostic was a very solid free agent signing AND the steelers aren't drafting at the bottom of the first. They led the league in sacks.
Why don't you just admit you are in the yinzer pipeline where that contingent of fans talk out their ass and only get their info from kdka and wtae.
Williams isn't, Dupree hasn't lived up to his draft billing but was good enough to have his 5th year option picked up. Bostic was a very solid free agent signing AND the steelers aren't drafting at the bottom of the first. They led the league in sacks.
Why don't you just admit you are in the yinzer pipeline where that contingent of fans talk out their ass and only get their info from kdka and wtae.
Exactly what you always say about under performing goobers you draft....
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Weren't you hyping up Mason Rudolph before the draft? I thought he was your top QB.
Assuming the team continues to develop, they have close to same amount of talent as Stoolers. I certainly think barring catastrophe, they have a brighter future with the age of team. But I also don't think Pitt will fall off a mountain
No he wasn’t my top quarterback I said that he could be in there with the other 4 or that were considered the top quarterbacks. Of course unlike the other guys he is not sitting behind a Hall of Fame quarterback. he is doing that.
No he wasn’t my top quarterback I said that he could be in there with the other 4 or that were considered the top quarterbacks. Of course unlike the other guys he is not sitting behind a Hall of Fame quarterback. he is doing that.
Hmm. You sure about that?
"Here is a Prudent Solution to the Browns draft Quandary over who to draft:
Since most draft pundits think that Barkley and Chubb are actually the two best players out there, then they should take them. Take one at 1 and the other at 4. The only concern would be if another team picking at 2 or 3 grabs one of them....and that team would be the Giants, not the Jets who did not trade up to 3 to draft anything but a QB. So, we would have to hope that the Giants either pick what they believe to be their QBOTF....or that they trade out to a team that does want one of the QBs. So, assuming that happens, then the Browns get both of the best players that are thought to be the best available.
Then, they trade back into the later first round....perhaps to the mid 20s, and they select the QB that is going to prove to be the best pro QB of the bunch anyway: Mason Rudolph.
So then, the Browns will then have the best of all three worlds....the two best players and the best QB.
Now, the Browns are not always known to be the most prudent team when it comes to drafting......and a few of you may not think this would be the most prudent move for the Browns....but it is."
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No he wasn’t my top quarterback I said that he could be in there with the other 4 or that were considered the top quarterbacks. Of course unlike the other guys he is not sitting behind a Hall of Fame quarterback. he is doing that.
Hmm. You sure about that?
"Here is a Prudent Solution to the Browns draft Quandary over who to draft:
Since most draft pundits think that Barkley and Chubb are actually the two best players out there, then they should take them. Take one at 1 and the other at 4. The only concern would be if another team picking at 2 or 3 grabs one of them....and that team would be the Giants, not the Jets who did not trade up to 3 to draft anything but a QB. So, we would have to hope that the Giants either pick what they believe to be their QBOTF....or that they trade out to a team that does want one of the QBs. So, assuming that happens, then the Browns get both of the best players that are thought to be the best available.
Then, they trade back into the later first round....perhaps to the mid 20s, and they select the QB that is going to prove to be the best pro QB of the bunch anyway: Mason Rudolph.
So then, the Browns will then have the best of all three worlds....the two best players and the best QB.
Now, the Browns are not always known to be the most prudent team when it comes to drafting......and a few of you may not think this would be the most prudent move for the Browns....but it is."
Hmm. You sure about that?
"Here is a Prudent Solution to the Browns draft Quandary over who to draft:
Since most draft pundits think that Barkley and Chubb are actually the two best players out there, then they should take them. Take one at 1 and the other at 4. The only concern would be if another team picking at 2 or 3 grabs one of them....and that team would be the Giants, not the Jets who did not trade up to 3 to draft anything but a QB. So, we would have to hope that the Giants either pick what they believe to be their QBOTF....or that they trade out to a team that does want one of the QBs. So, assuming that happens, then the Browns get both of the best players that are thought to be the best available.
Then, they trade back into the later first round....perhaps to the mid 20s, and they select the QB that is going to prove to be the best pro QB of the bunch anyway: Mason Rudolph.
So then, the Browns will then have the best of all three worlds....the two best players and the best QB.
Now, the Browns are not always known to be the most prudent team when it comes to drafting......and a few of you may not think this would be the most prudent move for the Browns....but it is."
Thank goodness the Browns weren't listening to Gipper... Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer lasted until the third round, and he couldn't even beat out the underwhelming Josh Dobbs for second string QB.....
Since I had to look some of that up, more happy tidings from Steelerville.... Everything's fine here Lalalalala.... http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001011653/article/morgan-burnett-requests-his-release-from-steelers
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Hmm. You sure about that?
"Here is a Prudent Solution to the Browns draft Quandary over who to draft:
Since most draft pundits think that Barkley and Chubb are actually the two best players out there, then they should take them. Take one at 1 and the other at 4. The only concern would be if another team picking at 2 or 3 grabs one of them....and that team would be the Giants, not the Jets who did not trade up to 3 to draft anything but a QB. So, we would have to hope that the Giants either pick what they believe to be their QBOTF....or that they trade out to a team that does want one of the QBs. So, assuming that happens, then the Browns get both of the best players that are thought to be the best available.
Then, they trade back into the later first round....perhaps to the mid 20s, and they select the QB that is going to prove to be the best pro QB of the bunch anyway: Mason Rudolph.
So then, the Browns will then have the best of all three worlds....the two best players and the best QB.
Now, the Browns are not always known to be the most prudent team when it comes to drafting......and a few of you may not think this would be the most prudent move for the Browns....but it is."
Thank goodness the Browns weren't listening to Gipper... Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer lasted until the third round, and he couldn't even beat out the underwhelming Josh Dobbs for second string QB.....
Since I had to look some of that up, more happy tidings from Steelerville.... Everything's fine here Lalalalala.... http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001011653/article/morgan-burnett-requests-his-release-from-steelers
Thank goodness the Browns weren't listening to Gipper... Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer lasted until the third round, and he couldn't even beat out the underwhelming Josh Dobbs for second string QB.....
Since I had to look some of that up, more happy tidings from Steelerville.... Everything's fine here Lalalalala.... http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001011653/article/morgan-burnett-requests-his-release-from-steelers
Burnett played the same damn position in green bay, was hurt the majority of the season and lost his job to a rookie. Rudolph is a rookie, Dobbs is not. I'm not surprised Rudolph hasn't beaten him out up to this point. Teams that are forced to play rookies at qb either aren't good or have an injury.
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