Stallworth released early today for good behavior
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Shock collars combined with community service is what prison should be.
An inmate steps out of line you just zap his ass til he gets back to work...
Sure could use a lot of roads re-paved in columbus.
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AdaM said:
Shock collars combined with community service is what prison should be.An inmate steps out of line you just zap his ass til he gets back to work...
Sure could use a lot of roads re-paved in columbus.
shakin' the bush boss.....shakin' the bush....
shakin' the bush boss.....shakin' the bush....
Yep. Lets just execute all the criminals, that will really fly. Prison is so mean, it cost's so much. Life is a bitch. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time, bottom line. Prison is a punishment, not a rehabilitation. Screw rehab. I would rather have them suffer for 40 years then execute them. I could care less if a murdering child killer gets rehabed or not. You liberals are something else. PUSSIES.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
shakin' the bush boss.....shakin' the bush....
Yep. Lets just execute all the criminals, that will really fly. Prison is so mean, it cost's so much. Life is a bitch. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time, bottom line. Prison is a punishment, not a rehabilitation. Screw rehab. I would rather have them suffer for 40 years then execute them. I could care less if a murdering child killer gets rehabed or not. You liberals are something else. PUSSIES.
Yep. Lets just execute all the criminals, that will really fly. Prison is so mean, it cost's so much. Life is a bitch. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time, bottom line. Prison is a punishment, not a rehabilitation. Screw rehab. I would rather have them suffer for 40 years then execute them. I could care less if a murdering child killer gets rehabed or not. You liberals are something else. PUSSIES.
Well that excludes me cuz I'm definitely no liberal...whatever that means today anyway. I thought liberals were against capital punishment, does that make you a liberal then?
If you put the word out you were going to execute more, I think you'd see a significant difference in human behavior, right off the top. It's a philosophy as much as a suggested practice.
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time? Our system is far from perfect and framing people isn't just in the movies. All it takes is one less than honest testimony and you're gone. What a simplistic viewpoint, life is just so black and white right? No one ever gets caught up in the system, no patsies, no corporate fall guys taking it up the XXX for the man who they couldn't prove really did it. Besides, prison isn't even a punishment for some, and you're helping to foot the bill for their preferred lifestyle choice. Sounds like more liberal thinking. If they aren't fit for society, exterminate! Why even keep them around? Just so we can punish them? Really, it's worth the cost? Take them out and move forward, why hold senseless grudges?
I can't even begin to relate to you, but I'm trying. You sound like you have some vengeance issues. Anything we can hug out, cuz right now a fitting nickname for you could be "The Punisher".
If you say screw rehab why not just fry them? You wouldn't even fry a confessing cho-mo (child-molester)?
Like the first sentence I wrote, truth is I bet you don't have any idea what the system is really like on the other side. Only someone who doesn't know could feel that way.
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Yep. Lets just execute all the criminals, that will really fly. Prison is so mean, it cost's so much. Life is a bitch. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time, bottom line. Prison is a punishment, not a rehabilitation. Screw rehab. I would rather have them suffer for 40 years then execute them. I could care less if a murdering child killer gets rehabed or not. You liberals are something else. PUSSIES.
Well that excludes me cuz I'm definitely no liberal...whatever that means today anyway. I thought liberals were against capital punishment, does that make you a liberal then?
If you put the word out you were going to execute more, I think you'd see a significant difference in human behavior, right off the top. It's a philosophy as much as a suggested practice.
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time? Our system is far from perfect and framing people isn't just in the movies. All it takes is one less than honest testimony and you're gone. What a simplistic viewpoint, life is just so black and white right? No one ever gets caught up in the system, no patsies, no corporate fall guys taking it up the XXX for the man who they couldn't prove really did it. Besides, prison isn't even a punishment for some, and you're helping to foot the bill for their preferred lifestyle choice. Sounds like more liberal thinking. If they aren't fit for society, exterminate! Why even keep them around? Just so we can punish them? Really, it's worth the cost? Take them out and move forward, why hold senseless grudges?
I can't even begin to relate to you, but I'm trying. You sound like you have some vengeance issues. Anything we can hug out, cuz right now a fitting nickname for you could be "The Punisher".
If you say screw rehab why not just fry them? You wouldn't even fry a confessing cho-mo (child-molester)?
Like the first sentence I wrote, truth is I bet you don't have any idea what the system is really like on the other side. Only someone who doesn't know could feel that way.
Well that excludes me cuz I'm definitely no liberal...whatever that means today anyway. I thought liberals were against capital punishment, does that make you a liberal then?
If you put the word out you were going to execute more, I think you'd see a significant difference in human behavior, right off the top. It's a philosophy as much as a suggested practice.
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time? Our system is far from perfect and framing people isn't just in the movies. All it takes is one less than honest testimony and you're gone. What a simplistic viewpoint, life is just so black and white right? No one ever gets caught up in the system, no patsies, no corporate fall guys taking it up the XXX for the man who they couldn't prove really did it. Besides, prison isn't even a punishment for some, and you're helping to foot the bill for their preferred lifestyle choice. Sounds like more liberal thinking. If they aren't fit for society, exterminate! Why even keep them around? Just so we can punish them? Really, it's worth the cost? Take them out and move forward, why hold senseless grudges?
I can't even begin to relate to you, but I'm trying. You sound like you have some vengeance issues. Anything we can hug out, cuz right now a fitting nickname for you could be "The Punisher".
If you say screw rehab why not just fry them? You wouldn't even fry a confessing cho-mo (child-molester)?
Like the first sentence I wrote, truth is I bet you don't have any idea what the system is really like on the other side. Only someone who doesn't know could feel that way.
Okay, so I'm guessing that you have done time and that is where you are coming from? Am I wrong? Enlighten me oh wise one.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Well that excludes me cuz I'm definitely no liberal...whatever that means today anyway. I thought liberals were against capital punishment, does that make you a liberal then?
If you put the word out you were going to execute more, I think you'd see a significant difference in human behavior, right off the top. It's a philosophy as much as a suggested practice.
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time? Our system is far from perfect and framing people isn't just in the movies. All it takes is one less than honest testimony and you're gone. What a simplistic viewpoint, life is just so black and white right? No one ever gets caught up in the system, no patsies, no corporate fall guys taking it up the XXX for the man who they couldn't prove really did it. Besides, prison isn't even a punishment for some, and you're helping to foot the bill for their preferred lifestyle choice. Sounds like more liberal thinking. If they aren't fit for society, exterminate! Why even keep them around? Just so we can punish them? Really, it's worth the cost? Take them out and move forward, why hold senseless grudges?
I can't even begin to relate to you, but I'm trying. You sound like you have some vengeance issues. Anything we can hug out, cuz right now a fitting nickname for you could be "The Punisher".
If you say screw rehab why not just fry them? You wouldn't even fry a confessing cho-mo (child-molester)?
Like the first sentence I wrote, truth is I bet you don't have any idea what the system is really like on the other side. Only someone who doesn't know could feel that way.
Okay, so I'm guessing that you have done time and that is where you are coming from? Am I wrong? Enlighten me oh wise one.
Okay, so I'm guessing that you have done time and that is where you are coming from? Am I wrong? Enlighten me oh wise one.
DHB you should probably ignore everything he says and make an idiotic remark.
Oh wait, thats EXACTLY what you always do.
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Okay, so I'm guessing that you have done time and that is where you are coming from? Am I wrong? Enlighten me oh wise one.
DHB you should probably ignore everything he says and make an idiotic remark.
Oh wait, thats EXACTLY what you always do.
AdaM said:
DHB you should probably ignore everything he says and make an idiotic remark.Oh wait, thats EXACTLY what you always do.
Thanks Amber.
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Well that excludes me cuz I'm definitely no liberal...whatever that means today anyway. I thought liberals were against capital punishment, does that make you a liberal then?
If you put the word out you were going to execute more, I think you'd see a significant difference in human behavior, right off the top. It's a philosophy as much as a suggested practice.
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time? Our system is far from perfect and framing people isn't just in the movies. All it takes is one less than honest testimony and you're gone. What a simplistic viewpoint, life is just so black and white right? No one ever gets caught up in the system, no patsies, no corporate fall guys taking it up the XXX for the man who they couldn't prove really did it. Besides, prison isn't even a punishment for some, and you're helping to foot the bill for their preferred lifestyle choice. Sounds like more liberal thinking. If they aren't fit for society, exterminate! Why even keep them around? Just so we can punish them? Really, it's worth the cost? Take them out and move forward, why hold senseless grudges?
I can't even begin to relate to you, but I'm trying. You sound like you have some vengeance issues. Anything we can hug out, cuz right now a fitting nickname for you could be "The Punisher".
If you say screw rehab why not just fry them? You wouldn't even fry a confessing cho-mo (child-molester)?
Like the first sentence I wrote, truth is I bet you don't have any idea what the system is really like on the other side. Only someone who doesn't know could feel that way.
Okay, so I'm guessing that you have done time and that is where you are coming from? Am I wrong? Enlighten me oh wise one.
Okay, so I'm guessing that you have done time and that is where you are coming from? Am I wrong? Enlighten me oh wise one.
If I haven't I should've stfu a long time ago.
Bottom line it's expensive to you directly and for what? The one's in there it's not punishing isn't accomplishing anything, and the one's in there scared for their lives it's actually punishing are probably the one's worth saving!
Shit happens, all the time. Let's stop hating and move forward. You'd see a significant improvement to the nation's bottom line the very first day and would have a pile of money at the end of the first year. There's no question. Money you could even loan them to start businesses or even provide some aid.
Watering the lawn accomplishes more than the money we throw at the current "rehabilitation system".
Let's get these people, the nonviolent ones especially, off the take and plug them back into society so they can help fund SSI and pay income tax etc like the rest of us so there might actually be something in there 30 years from now when I want to retire.
Or, bankrupt the nation holding grudges. Hmmmmm. Let's see....
There's no way you're under 40. Am I right?
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Okay, so I'm guessing that you have done time and that is where you are coming from? Am I wrong? Enlighten me oh wise one.
If I haven't I should've stfu a long time ago.
Bottom line it's expensive to you directly and for what? The one's in there it's not punishing isn't accomplishing anything, and the one's in there scared for their lives it's actually punishing are probably the one's worth saving!
Shit happens, all the time. Let's stop hating and move forward. You'd see a significant improvement to the nation's bottom line the very first day and would have a pile of money at the end of the first year. There's no question. Money you could even loan them to start businesses or even provide some aid.
Watering the lawn accomplishes more than the money we throw at the current "rehabilitation system".
Let's get these people, the nonviolent ones especially, off the take and plug them back into society so they can help fund SSI and pay income tax etc like the rest of us so there might actually be something in there 30 years from now when I want to retire.
Or, bankrupt the nation holding grudges. Hmmmmm. Let's see....
There's no way you're under 40. Am I right?
If I haven't I should've stfu a long time ago.
Bottom line it's expensive to you directly and for what? The one's in there it's not punishing isn't accomplishing anything, and the one's in there scared for their lives it's actually punishing are probably the one's worth saving!
Shit happens, all the time. Let's stop hating and move forward. You'd see a significant improvement to the nation's bottom line the very first day and would have a pile of money at the end of the first year. There's no question. Money you could even loan them to start businesses or even provide some aid.
Watering the lawn accomplishes more than the money we throw at the current "rehabilitation system".
Let's get these people, the nonviolent ones especially, off the take and plug them back into society so they can help fund SSI and pay income tax etc like the rest of us so there might actually be something in there 30 years from now when I want to retire.
Or, bankrupt the nation holding grudges. Hmmmmm. Let's see....
There's no way you're under 40. Am I right?
Under 40? LMAO, try 54.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
If I haven't I should've stfu a long time ago.
Bottom line it's expensive to you directly and for what? The one's in there it's not punishing isn't accomplishing anything, and the one's in there scared for their lives it's actually punishing are probably the one's worth saving!
Shit happens, all the time. Let's stop hating and move forward. You'd see a significant improvement to the nation's bottom line the very first day and would have a pile of money at the end of the first year. There's no question. Money you could even loan them to start businesses or even provide some aid.
Watering the lawn accomplishes more than the money we throw at the current "rehabilitation system".
Let's get these people, the nonviolent ones especially, off the take and plug them back into society so they can help fund SSI and pay income tax etc like the rest of us so there might actually be something in there 30 years from now when I want to retire.
Or, bankrupt the nation holding grudges. Hmmmmm. Let's see....
There's no way you're under 40. Am I right?
Under 40? LMAO, try 54.
Under 40? LMAO, try 54.
Hell yeah, 11 to go...you ain't sweatin this shit.
No worries DHBF. Just close your eyes and it all disappears.
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If I haven't I should've stfu a long time ago.
Bottom line it's expensive to you directly and for what? The one's in there it's not punishing isn't accomplishing anything, and the one's in there scared for their lives it's actually punishing are probably the one's worth saving!
Shit happens, all the time. Let's stop hating and move forward. You'd see a significant improvement to the nation's bottom line the very first day and would have a pile of money at the end of the first year. There's no question. Money you could even loan them to start businesses or even provide some aid.
Watering the lawn accomplishes more than the money we throw at the current "rehabilitation system".
Let's get these people, the nonviolent ones especially, off the take and plug them back into society so they can help fund SSI and pay income tax etc like the rest of us so there might actually be something in there 30 years from now when I want to retire.
Or, bankrupt the nation holding grudges. Hmmmmm. Let's see....
There's no way you're under 40. Am I right?
Under 40? LMAO, try 54.
Under 40? LMAO, try 54.
Nothing ever disapears. It always stays. You sound like we used to call a "sea lawyer". Give it up.
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So Greg, you are a convicted felon coming on here telling me and everyone else how to treat you. LMAO. Give me a xxxxing break.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
@jadbf said:
OH and I promised myself I wouldn't get into these debates again...but I just can't resist. let's look at your examples.EXAMPLE 1
"Two personal acquaintances- girl hops off curb- guy hits her- not even drunk, but has open beer in car- that will cost you two years, son."
While we don't have all the circumstances of your example. Such as how fast was the guy driving? and Yeah an open beer kinds screams to get you kicked for Drinking and Driving. But more importantly, lets compare the sentances. Did your friend serve the FULL 2 years? or did he get early release based on good behavior? Also, was he on house arrest or anything similar after his 2 years in jail? ACTUALLY if you look at the two sentances, they are similar. Stallworth will serve 2 years house arrest. And while I'd agree it's better than being in actual jail. House arrest is no picnic, and that's about the only thing he got off easy on.
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Was Stallworths sentance a bit light? Sure. was he able to negotiate house arrest because he could afford a good lawyer? sure. But the FACTS of this case tell you that his sentance was not something that deserves the kind of vitriol displayed here on a daily basis.
IIRC Stallworth's "house arrest" allows him to play football. Oh, no vitriol- he got off damn light.
Why does almost everyone choose a weekend at a hotel for driver education after they get busted for a DUI (assuming they can afford it)? Because it beats the hell out of three days in jail.
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AdaM said:
DHB you should probably ignore everything he says and make an idiotic remark.Oh wait, thats EXACTLY what you always do.
Thanks Amber.
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shakin' the bush boss.....shakin' the bush....
Yep. Lets just execute all the criminals, that will really fly. Prison is so mean, it cost's so much. Life is a bitch. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time, bottom line. Prison is a punishment, not a rehabilitation. Screw rehab. I would rather have them suffer for 40 years then execute them. I could care less if a murdering child killer gets rehabed or not. You liberals are something else. PUSSIES.
Yep. Lets just execute all the criminals, that will really fly. Prison is so mean, it cost's so much. Life is a bitch. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time, bottom line. Prison is a punishment, not a rehabilitation. Screw rehab. I would rather have them suffer for 40 years then execute them. I could care less if a murdering child killer gets rehabed or not.
wow....you're tough.
what you call punishment is so effective that we never have repeat offenders....now do we?
so your against capital punishment......which side of the political spectrum supports capital punishment? hmmmm.....
ahh....you must be a neocon. and liberals are the pussies? wow, thats actually funny.....
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So Greg, you are a convicted felon coming on here telling me and everyone else how to treat you. LMAO. Give me a xxxxing break.
So Greg, you are a convicted felon coming on here telling me and everyone else how to treat you. LMAO. Give me a xxxxing break.
Just speaking within my realm of experience and trying to shed some light for those that haven't walked in the shoes. And not telling anyone how to treat me, just advising them to vote accordingly if serving as a juror and/or to write their Representatives if they'll admit to themselves what a mess things are.
Being on the back end and so close to a lucrative retirement of plentiful SSI and military pension, plus having had your fill of adventures and excitement in life already you're probably a lost cause in this effort DHBF. And I warn you, don't ever do anything wrong you could be prosecuted for for the rest of your life, or I just might have to laugh in your face. And not because I've been, but because you think it could never happen to you.
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Yep. Lets just execute all the criminals, that will really fly. Prison is so mean, it cost's so much. Life is a bitch. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time, bottom line. Prison is a punishment, not a rehabilitation. Screw rehab. I would rather have them suffer for 40 years then execute them. I could care less if a murdering child killer gets rehabed or not.
wow....you're tough.
what you call punishment is so effective that we never have repeat offenders....now do we?
so your against capital punishment......which side of the political spectrum supports capital punishment? hmmmm.....
ahh....you must be a neocon. and liberals are the pussies? wow, thats actually funny.....
wow....you're tough.
what you call punishment is so effective that we never have repeat offenders....now do we?
so your against capital punishment......which side of the political spectrum supports capital punishment? hmmmm.....
ahh....you must be a neocon. and liberals are the pussies? wow, thats actually funny.....
I'm all for capital punishment in certain circumstances. But if someone wants to die, I would rather have them locked up in a small cell for 23 hours a day. Get it now?
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So Greg, you are a convicted felon coming on here telling me and everyone else how to treat you. LMAO. Give me a xxxxing break.
Just speaking within my realm of experience and trying to shed some light for those that haven't walked in the shoes. And not telling anyone how to treat me, just advising them to vote accordingly if serving as a juror and/or to write their Representatives if they'll admit to themselves what a mess things are.
Being on the back end and so close to a lucrative retirement of plentiful SSI and military pension, plus having had your fill of adventures and excitement in life already you're probably a lost cause in this effort DHBF. And I warn you, don't ever do anything wrong you could be prosecuted for for the rest of your life, or I just might have to laugh in your face. And not because I've been, but because you think it could never happen to you.
Just speaking within my realm of experience and trying to shed some light for those that haven't walked in the shoes. And not telling anyone how to treat me, just advising them to vote accordingly if serving as a juror and/or to write their Representatives if they'll admit to themselves what a mess things are.
Being on the back end and so close to a lucrative retirement of plentiful SSI and military pension, plus having had your fill of adventures and excitement in life already you're probably a lost cause in this effort DHBF. And I warn you, don't ever do anything wrong you could be prosecuted for for the rest of your life, or I just might have to laugh in your face. And not because I've been, but because you think it could never happen to you.
Never said that Greg. Just a differing opinion from yours. And as far as lucrative pensions, I earned it in the Navy and Army both. Living on a ship is not much different from being in a prison, believe it or not. I was in law enforcement in the Navy, and dealt with people from arrest to conviction. I escorted prisoners to and from Courts Martial. Escorted prisoners across country to where they were being incarcerated, so I'm quite familiar with at least the Military/Federal Corrections system. You sound like an intelligent person, so hopefully you have your act together now and can live out a comfortable rest of your life.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Just speaking within my realm of experience and trying to shed some light for those that haven't walked in the shoes. And not telling anyone how to treat me, just advising them to vote accordingly if serving as a juror and/or to write their Representatives if they'll admit to themselves what a mess things are.
Being on the back end and so close to a lucrative retirement of plentiful SSI and military pension, plus having had your fill of adventures and excitement in life already you're probably a lost cause in this effort DHBF. And I warn you, don't ever do anything wrong you could be prosecuted for for the rest of your life, or I just might have to laugh in your face. And not because I've been, but because you think it could never happen to you.
Never said that Greg. Just a differing opinion from yours. And as far as lucrative pensions, I earned it in the Navy and Army both. Living on a ship is not much different from being in a prison, believe it or not. I was in law enforcement in the Navy, and dealt with people from arrest to conviction. I escorted prisoners to and from Courts Martial. Escorted prisoners across country to where they were being incarcerated, so I'm quite familiar with at least the Military/Federal Corrections system. You sound like an intelligent person, so hopefully you have your act together now and can live out a comfortable rest of your life.
Never said that Greg. Just a differing opinion from yours. And as far as lucrative pensions, I earned it in the Navy and Army both. Living on a ship is not much different from being in a prison, believe it or not. I was in law enforcement in the Navy, and dealt with people from arrest to conviction. I escorted prisoners to and from Courts Martial. Escorted prisoners across country to where they were being incarcerated, so I'm quite familiar with at least the Military/Federal Corrections system. You sound like an intelligent person, so hopefully you have your act together now and can live out a comfortable rest of your life.
No worries. I saw your other avatar last week or so and assumed you were in the military in some way, hence the pension remark I made. I appreciate you serving and hope they take good care of you for your contributions to my freedom. I'm sure we could agree on some other topics like PTSD or maybe the 2nd Amendment, but this one just gets me going. It's a mess DHBF, and it's too taboo for anyone to talk about generally. Many feel they will lose credibility the moment they confess they've been convicted of something and for everyone else on the outside looking in it seems like it's working. I was just a kid who got caught up in the wrong place at the wrong time who has had the opportunity to look through their window personally. Even after spending a few years in the system and being back out among society sometimes I consider making compromises that could affect my freedom to improve my loved one's quality of life. The fact that temptation still exists shows the system isn't working as well as we'd like to think. We are human, I just ask that people allow us to be one. I can follow rules fine, but when there are rules in place that aren't morally conscious or that benefit some but treat others very unfairly it's hard sometimes to abide by them. If there is a god I have no problem with that judgement. It's the judgements of man that I often disagree with.
Caging people is like a quarantine, the problem doesn't go away, it's just "away". The jails and prisons are full, the nation is broke, we need a new strategy. Right now we can still choose to ignore it, very soon we won't have that option anymore. As my good friend likes to say, "if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem."
Integration has to be on the horizon because our laws make criminals out of "everyday Joes" every single day.
Oh, one last thing, living on a ship might be a little like jail, but I seriously doubt it's anything like prison. Think about it.
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The bottom line on Stallworth is his sentence was in line since vehicular manslaughter sentencing is all over the board due to numerous mitigating factors.
He didn't buy his way out of the situation. The Miami DA isn't going to agree to a lesser charge unless he/she felt there was a better than reasonable chance nothing would stick..
For all we know there may have been serious flaws in the breath alcohol test that could have easily been nullified by defense counsel..they took the deal that they felt was fair.
As to the NFL..Goodel can't just keep him on indefinite leave. He is going to have to deal with the issue.
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