The Missed Call in NFC Champ. Game
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The shit is out of hand, Any NFL player will tell you Holding happens on every single play, and it is the refs call if they want to throw a flag or not. That is bullshit, No play should be a judgement call for the refs. Just like many of you guys I can name hundreds if not thousands of plays where the refs fucked us for no reason at all, and yes it has happened to other teams as well but it should never happen. Just like that bullshit game agains the Skins a few years back, Duke Johnson came out of the pile with the ball, whil the refs were still uncovering the pile but that **MASK** ref already awarded the Skins the ball. They could not challenge that? WTF? same game and same ref threw 2 DPI calls on Haden when video replay showed no contact, like several years back, we stopped Pispuke on 4th and goal but for no reason at all they awarded Pisspuke the First down. It is hard to argue that the refs don't rig games when shit like this happens. But I guess we have to keep in mind that the courts already had argued and the NFL won the case that the NFL is sports entertainment not competition.
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Jeez...... missed or bad calls have been a part of every single sport, at every single level, since that sport was invented.
Boohoo..... get over it already for fucksake.
I agree that everyone except the Saints and their fans should get over it. I know if that was the Browns that it happened to in the AFC title game, I still wouldn't be over it.
But hopefully this forces the league to address how bad the refs performance was pretty much all season. I don't remember a year when there were so many not just bad calls, but calls that were hard to believe they were called or not called.
I agree that everyone except the Saints and their fans should get over it. I know if that was the Browns that it happened to in the AFC title game, I still wouldn't be over it.
But hopefully this forces the league to address how bad the refs performance was pretty much all season. I don't remember a year when there were so many not just bad calls, but calls that were hard to believe they were called or not called.
We are not over the fact that the refs got the call on Karliss's kick wrong.....in the 1986 AFC title game.
I mean, after that the league extended the height of the goal posts so that that issue has hardly ever come up again.
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irrelevant...having lost a lead has absolutely nothing to do with the blown call...its a red herring used by folks like you to excuse the incompetence int he product we are served.
at that point in the game, the call changed the likely outcome of the game. what happened prior to that point is irrelevant.
You'd be a great little league parent.....
In the bottom of the 7th little Jenny takes a ball at her shoulders on a full count, 2 outs, bases loaded, down 1 and the ump calls it strike 3 to end the game..... everyone loses their minds. "The ump took the game away from us"....... oh yea?
What about the bases loaded in the bottom of the 1st and our 4, 5 and 6 hitters all go down looking?
What about the over throw by the 3B into the dugout with 2 outs and bases loaded in the top of the 3rd that let 2 runs score?
What about the missed call by the batter on a suicide squeeze that got our runner thrown out in the 5th?
^ Yep, the ump cost us the game alright.........
You'd be a great little league parent.....
In the bottom of the 7th little Jenny takes a ball at her shoulders on a full count, 2 outs, bases loaded, down 1 and the ump calls it strike 3 to end the game..... everyone loses their minds. "The ump took the game away from us"....... oh yea?
What about the bases loaded in the bottom of the 1st and our 4, 5 and 6 hitters all go down looking?
What about the over throw by the 3B into the dugout with 2 outs and bases loaded in the top of the 3rd that let 2 runs score?
What about the missed call by the batter on a suicide squeeze that got our runner thrown out in the 5th?
^ Yep, the ump cost us the game alright.........
I feel you. But it’s about perspective. And the ref shouldn’t have control in the outcome of the game by not doing there job and throwing the flag.
Coaches should get 1 penalty challenge flag per game(one additional if they win the challenge), where they can replay challenge a BS call or no call. Simple fix.
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I agree that everyone except the Saints and their fans should get over it. I know if that was the Browns that it happened to in the AFC title game, I still wouldn't be over it.
But hopefully this forces the league to address how bad the refs performance was pretty much all season. I don't remember a year when there were so many not just bad calls, but calls that were hard to believe they were called or not called.
We are not over the fact that the refs got the call on Karliss's kick wrong.....in the 1986 AFC title game.
I mean, after that the league extended the height of the goal posts so that that issue has hardly ever come up again.
We are not over the fact that the refs got the call on Karliss's kick wrong.....in the 1986 AFC title game.
I mean, after that the league extended the height of the goal posts so that that issue has hardly ever come up again.
I'm over it. it was 33 years ago.
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We are not over the fact that the refs got the call on Karliss's kick wrong.....in the 1986 AFC title game.
I mean, after that the league extended the height of the goal posts so that that issue has hardly ever come up again.
I'm over it. it was 33 years ago.
I'm over it. it was 33 years ago.
Good for you.
But we could take a poll: Who either is....or is not "over" the bad call by the refs in the 1986 title game?
Just remember this:
The Godfather, 1969: Don Corleone nodded. "Revenge is a dish that tastes best when it is cold," he said.
Star Trek II, The Wrath of Kahn, 1982: Kirk, old friend, do you know the Klingon proverb, "Revenge is a dish best served cold"? -
Jeez...... missed or bad calls have been a part of every single sport, at every single level, since that sport was invented.
Boohoo..... get over it already for fucksake.
I agree that everyone except the Saints and their fans should get over it. I know if that was the Browns that it happened to in the AFC title game, I still wouldn't be over it.
But hopefully this forces the league to address how bad the refs performance was pretty much all season. I don't remember a year when there were so many not just bad calls, but calls that were hard to believe they were called or not called.
I know if that was the Browns that it happened to
I was in the stadium when the refs totally failed on the Browns TD when they returned the Ravens fumble.. which lost us the game. Every Ravens fan [seats are expensive, they're smart] around me agreed we should have had the TD. I'm over it.
Refs admitted they missed multiple calls which would have given us a win vs Raiders - and therefore put us in the playoffs if the above fumble had been called correctly.
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I know if that was the Browns that it happened to
I was in the stadium when the refs totally failed on the Browns TD when they returned the Ravens fumble.. which lost us the game. Every Ravens fan [seats are expensive, they're smart] around me agreed we should have had the TD. I'm over it.
Refs admitted they missed multiple calls which would have given us a win vs Raiders - and therefore put us in the playoffs if the above fumble had been called correctly.
I was in the stadium when the refs totally failed on the Browns TD when they returned the Ravens fumble.. which lost us the game. Every Ravens fan [seats are expensive, they're smart] around me agreed we should have had the TD. I'm over it.
Refs admitted they missed multiple calls which would have given us a win vs Raiders - and therefore put us in the playoffs if the above fumble had been called correctly.
Are you seriously comparing a non-TD in a Browns game that meant nothing to the Saints missing out on a Super Bowl trip?
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I was in the stadium when the refs totally failed on the Browns TD when they returned the Ravens fumble.. which lost us the game. Every Ravens fan [seats are expensive, they're smart] around me agreed we should have had the TD. I'm over it.
Refs admitted they missed multiple calls which would have given us a win vs Raiders - and therefore put us in the playoffs if the above fumble had been called correctly.
Are you seriously comparing a non-TD in a Browns game that meant nothing to the Saints missing out on a Super Bowl trip?
Are you seriously comparing a non-TD in a Browns game that meant nothing to the Saints missing out on a Super Bowl trip?
While the setting for the bad calls is not nearly as dramatic, the problem is the same: refs making terrible calls.
Besides....in sense, those bad calls could theoretically have been just as important. Those bad calls lose the Browns a game....a game which, if they had won, would have meant that they could have possibly still had a chance to make a playoff spot.
In that context, it certainly was NOT a game that meant nothing. Maybe not quite as much, but certainly not nothing.
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I was in the stadium when the refs totally failed on the Browns TD when they returned the Ravens fumble.. which lost us the game. Every Ravens fan [seats are expensive, they're smart] around me agreed we should have had the TD. I'm over it.
Refs admitted they missed multiple calls which would have given us a win vs Raiders - and therefore put us in the playoffs if the above fumble had been called correctly.
Are you seriously comparing a non-TD in a Browns game that meant nothing to the Saints missing out on a Super Bowl trip?
Are you seriously comparing a non-TD in a Browns game that meant nothing to the Saints missing out on a Super Bowl trip?
And the fact that the one in the Browns game was one that in real time, 99% of the referees would've called it exactly the same way as it was called in the game. The call in the Saints game was one that everyone watching on tv and in the stadium in real time could see that in was interference without question.
The call against the Browns on the goal line went exactly the same way the very next weekend and was called against the Ravens and if the review had come back that it was a fumble, it would've cost them a TD as well.
To me....the call against the Browns in that game was not all that bad of a call. It was unfortunate that it happened but in real time it sure looked like a TD. The replay had to be slowed down and paused to tell the ball didn't make it to the goal line. When it takes that kind of scrutiny to determine what happened, its hard to expect an official to see it on the field in real time.
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Are you seriously comparing a non-TD in a Browns game that meant nothing to the Saints missing out on a Super Bowl trip?
And the fact that the one in the Browns game was one that in real time, 99% of the referees would've called it exactly the same way as it was called in the game. The call in the Saints game was one that everyone watching on tv and in the stadium in real time could see that in was interference without question.
The call against the Browns on the goal line went exactly the same way the very next weekend and was called against the Ravens and if the review had come back that it was a fumble, it would've cost them a TD as well.
To me....the call against the Browns in that game was not all that bad of a call. It was unfortunate that it happened but in real time it sure looked like a TD. The replay had to be slowed down and paused to tell the ball didn't make it to the goal line. When it takes that kind of scrutiny to determine what happened, its hard to expect an official to see it on the field in real time.
And the fact that the one in the Browns game was one that in real time, 99% of the referees would've called it exactly the same way as it was called in the game. The call in the Saints game was one that everyone watching on tv and in the stadium in real time could see that in was interference without question.
The call against the Browns on the goal line went exactly the same way the very next weekend and was called against the Ravens and if the review had come back that it was a fumble, it would've cost them a TD as well.
To me....the call against the Browns in that game was not all that bad of a call. It was unfortunate that it happened but in real time it sure looked like a TD. The replay had to be slowed down and paused to tell the ball didn't make it to the goal line. When it takes that kind of scrutiny to determine what happened, its hard to expect an official to see it on the field in real time.
But ...of course....unlike that kind of play.....there is no opportunity to correct the call via instant replay on an interference call.
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And the fact that the one in the Browns game was one that in real time, 99% of the referees would've called it exactly the same way as it was called in the game. The call in the Saints game was one that everyone watching on tv and in the stadium in real time could see that in was interference without question.
The call against the Browns on the goal line went exactly the same way the very next weekend and was called against the Ravens and if the review had come back that it was a fumble, it would've cost them a TD as well.
To me....the call against the Browns in that game was not all that bad of a call. It was unfortunate that it happened but in real time it sure looked like a TD. The replay had to be slowed down and paused to tell the ball didn't make it to the goal line. When it takes that kind of scrutiny to determine what happened, its hard to expect an official to see it on the field in real time.
But ...of course....unlike that kind of play.....there is no opportunity to correct the call via instant replay on an interference call.
But ...of course....unlike that kind of play.....there is no opportunity to correct the call via instant replay on an interference call.
Hopefully that will change. I think it should be reviewable as should all roughing the passer and also the helmet to helmet hits. Give the coaches one extra challenge and let them review all those things. Won't slow the game down any and they can get the calls right.
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But ...of course....unlike that kind of play.....there is no opportunity to correct the call via instant replay on an interference call.
Hopefully that will change. I think it should be reviewable as should all roughing the passer and also the helmet to helmet hits. Give the coaches one extra challenge and let them review all those things. Won't slow the game down any and they can get the calls right.
Hopefully that will change. I think it should be reviewable as should all roughing the passer and also the helmet to helmet hits. Give the coaches one extra challenge and let them review all those things. Won't slow the game down any and they can get the calls right.
Not sure why the NFL should give a rat's ass about "slowing the game down". The game is slowed down tremendously with all their TV timeouts....this would absolutely add little to the length of a game comparatively.
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Are you seriously comparing a non-TD in a Browns game that meant nothing to the Saints missing out on a Super Bowl trip?
And the fact that the one in the Browns game was one that in real time, 99% of the referees would've called it exactly the same way as it was called in the game. The call in the Saints game was one that everyone watching on tv and in the stadium in real time could see that in was interference without question.
The call against the Browns on the goal line went exactly the same way the very next weekend and was called against the Ravens and if the review had come back that it was a fumble, it would've cost them a TD as well.
To me....the call against the Browns in that game was not all that bad of a call. It was unfortunate that it happened but in real time it sure looked like a TD. The replay had to be slowed down and paused to tell the ball didn't make it to the goal line. When it takes that kind of scrutiny to determine what happened, its hard to expect an official to see it on the field in real time.
And the fact that the one in the Browns game was one that in real time, 99% of the referees would've called it exactly the same way as it was called in the game. The call in the Saints game was one that everyone watching on tv and in the stadium in real time could see that in was interference without question.
The call against the Browns on the goal line went exactly the same way the very next weekend and was called against the Ravens and if the review had come back that it was a fumble, it would've cost them a TD as well.
To me....the call against the Browns in that game was not all that bad of a call. It was unfortunate that it happened but in real time it sure looked like a TD. The replay had to be slowed down and paused to tell the ball didn't make it to the goal line. When it takes that kind of scrutiny to determine what happened, its hard to expect an official to see it on the field in real time.
so, it wasn't a TD, wouldn't a ref think it may have been, but rule it a fumble, let the play continue, then on replay, overrule it?
ruling it a TD when it was that close, and NOT a TD, was a travesty. I don't see how it's legit to give the refs a pass on a questionable call. Let the play continue, replay will show the truth of the TD or not. I still call BS on the play.
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And the fact that the one in the Browns game was one that in real time, 99% of the referees would've called it exactly the same way as it was called in the game. The call in the Saints game was one that everyone watching on tv and in the stadium in real time could see that in was interference without question.
The call against the Browns on the goal line went exactly the same way the very next weekend and was called against the Ravens and if the review had come back that it was a fumble, it would've cost them a TD as well.
To me....the call against the Browns in that game was not all that bad of a call. It was unfortunate that it happened but in real time it sure looked like a TD. The replay had to be slowed down and paused to tell the ball didn't make it to the goal line. When it takes that kind of scrutiny to determine what happened, its hard to expect an official to see it on the field in real time.
so, it wasn't a TD, wouldn't a ref think it may have been, but rule it a fumble, let the play continue, then on replay, overrule it?
ruling it a TD when it was that close, and NOT a TD, was a travesty. I don't see how it's legit to give the refs a pass on a questionable call. Let the play continue, replay will show the truth of the TD or not. I still call BS on the play.
so, it wasn't a TD, wouldn't a ref think it may have been, but rule it a fumble, let the play continue, then on replay, overrule it?
ruling it a TD when it was that close, and NOT a TD, was a travesty. I don't see how it's legit to give the refs a pass on a questionable call. Let the play continue, replay will show the truth of the TD or not. I still call BS on the play.
That play gets called that way in every game of every single Sunday. It wasn't some great conspiracy against the Browns. In fact as I pointed out..it was called the same way against the Ravens the very next Sunday.
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not when it's a fumble before you can call it. It was a very early whistle.
Officials costs Browns a TD with early whistle against Ravens
"Officials correctly ruled that Browns defensive lineman Larry Ogunjobi forced a fumble and that Peppers recovered it at the 7-yard line, wiping the Ravens touchdown off the board."
So, all I'm saying is, how the heyl can they have correctly ruled it a fumble and recovery by the Browns, then blow the whistle ? If they blew the whistle before the fumble, the play is dead. But...
yeah. I don't know - the NFL said it was a blown call, right on time vs the Browns.
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The Rams defender who hit the receiver has been fined $27,000 for the helmet to helmet hit ....rubs salt in Saints wounds
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not when it's a fumble before you can call it. It was a very early whistle.
Officials costs Browns a TD with early whistle against Ravens
"Officials correctly ruled that Browns defensive lineman Larry Ogunjobi forced a fumble and that Peppers recovered it at the 7-yard line, wiping the Ravens touchdown off the board."
So, all I'm saying is, how the heyl can they have correctly ruled it a fumble and recovery by the Browns, then blow the whistle ? If they blew the whistle before the fumble, the play is dead. But...
yeah. I don't know - the NFL said it was a blown call, right on time vs the Browns.
not when it's a fumble before you can call it. It was a very early whistle.
Officials costs Browns a TD with early whistle against Ravens
"Officials correctly ruled that Browns defensive lineman Larry Ogunjobi forced a fumble and that Peppers recovered it at the 7-yard line, wiping the Ravens touchdown off the board."
So, all I'm saying is, how the heyl can they have correctly ruled it a fumble and recovery by the Browns, then blow the whistle ? If they blew the whistle before the fumble, the play is dead. But...
yeah. I don't know - the NFL said it was a blown call, right on time vs the Browns.
How could they blow the whistle before the fumble, when he fumbled during the act of extending the ball towards the goaline? The play was blown dead because they ruled it a TD, then overturned the call on review.
ETA: as Mark said, very next week the same thing happened. I don't mind the call against the browns, as that's how those plays are consistently called. So yeah, it was a mistake...but it's an easy one to make and was only able to be assertained a wrong call by frame by frame analysis.
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not when it's a fumble before you can call it. It was a very early whistle.
Officials costs Browns a TD with early whistle against Ravens
"Officials correctly ruled that Browns defensive lineman Larry Ogunjobi forced a fumble and that Peppers recovered it at the 7-yard line, wiping the Ravens touchdown off the board."
So, all I'm saying is, how the heyl can they have correctly ruled it a fumble and recovery by the Browns, then blow the whistle ? If they blew the whistle before the fumble, the play is dead. But...
yeah. I don't know - the NFL said it was a blown call, right on time vs the Browns.
How could they blow the whistle before the fumble, when he fumbled during the act of extending the ball towards the goaline? The play was blown dead because they ruled it a TD, then overturned the call on review.
ETA: as Mark said, very next week the same thing happened. I don't mind the call against the browns, as that's how those plays are consistently called. So yeah, it was a mistake...but it's an easy one to make and was only able to be assertained a wrong call by frame by frame analysis.
How could they blow the whistle before the fumble, when he fumbled during the act of extending the ball towards the goaline? The play was blown dead because they ruled it a TD, then overturned the call on review.
ETA: as Mark said, very next week the same thing happened. I don't mind the call against the browns, as that's how those plays are consistently called. So yeah, it was a mistake...but it's an easy one to make and was only able to be assertained a wrong call by frame by frame analysis.
Well, are we saying then, that they whistled the play dead only after the fumble, and they THOUGHT it was a TD? what if they were wrong and it wasn't a TD? After the fumble, I'd think it doesn't get whistled til the end of the play, then the truth sorts out on replay, one way or another. It's probably just me, but.... btw, if the exact same play happens in another ratbird game, didn't they learn anything from the first debacle?
My dumb opinion, lol, is that if it was the steelers instead of the Browns playing that game, it would have been a fumble and a TD the other direction. LOL.
dammit. whatever. I have the last four games recorded and I don't think I want to rewatch that game.
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How could they blow the whistle before the fumble, when he fumbled during the act of extending the ball towards the goaline? The play was blown dead because they ruled it a TD, then overturned the call on review.
ETA: as Mark said, very next week the same thing happened. I don't mind the call against the browns, as that's how those plays are consistently called. So yeah, it was a mistake...but it's an easy one to make and was only able to be assertained a wrong call by frame by frame analysis.
Well, are we saying then, that they whistled the play dead only after the fumble, and they THOUGHT it was a TD? what if they were wrong and it wasn't a TD? After the fumble, I'd think it doesn't get whistled til the end of the play, then the truth sorts out on replay, one way or another. It's probably just me, but.... btw, if the exact same play happens in another ratbird game, didn't they learn anything from the first debacle?
My dumb opinion, lol, is that if it was the steelers instead of the Browns playing that game, it would have been a fumble and a TD the other direction. LOL.
dammit. whatever. I have the last four games recorded and I don't think I want to rewatch that game.
Well, are we saying then, that they whistled the play dead only after the fumble, and they THOUGHT it was a TD?
yes, thought they scored, so no reason to allow the play to continue.
what if they were wrong and it wasn't a TD?
that was pretty much the case, no?
After the fumble, I'd think it doesn't get whistled til the end of the play, then the truth sorts out on replay, one way or another. It's probably just me,
ideally, they'd just let it play out, but they just dont seem to want to anymore. no harm in letting him run to the endzone and sort it out later, as all scoring drives and turnovers are reviewed. that, is my issue with this particular call. but that they are at least consistent about how its called is rather important, at least imo.
if it was the steelers instead of the Browns playing that game, it would have been a fumble and a TD the other direction. LOL.
im not so sure tbh...haden was flagged for a phantom PI call against the saints that extended a saints drive and allowed them to score (basically knocking the stools out of the playoffs). i actually dont think its a team specific problem.
considering the average age of the refs, the fact the rules change every single year for the past 10 years, coupled with advances in HD TV and camera angles, i think refs jobs are tougher now than ever. this is particularly demonstrated by the inconsistencies of many calls from crew to crew, as the rules are so fuzzy now that most things are judgement calls, which vary from person to person. so i dont think theres a nefarious plot to screw certain teams, i just think the NFL has made too many mistakes trying to legislate the game, and thus set up their officials to fail. throw in no accountability, as well as this being a side gig for most officials...frankly, this was bound to happen.
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Completely disagree, and I'm shocked more of you on this forum didn't call BS. When did this forum become like U Miami after the loss to Ohio State in 03? Quit whining about one play and ask why they didn't take advantage of the other 50 opportunities they did have.
If the penalty was called, they get a first. OK. Maybe they miss the FG, maybe they fumble. Saints got the ball first in OT and failed there also.
Saints didn't need the refs' help to blow multiple plays in the first half.. and if the refereeing is perfect we also don't know what ADDITIONAL calls would have gone against the Saints.
Though I didn't understand Peyton not running the ball on first down and I remember the missed opportunities, I have to disagree.
You have a number of challenges that you should use wisely, so if they miss a PI on first quarter, you may swallow it because humans make mistakes. But when the game is on the line and the tension is growing, the failed calls are less acceptable and not having the chance to review them (even if you don't increase the number of challenges) and FIX human mistakes (even more after showing that mistake to millions of people) is something that should be changed.
I don't want them to have a thousand of challenge flags, I just want the coaches to have the chance to challenge any kind of fault and referees don't whistling the ball dead way too early. Those two situations frustrate me the most.
And I repeat, I don't believe in conspiracy theories.
And I repeat, I don't believe in conspiracy theories.
I never really did either, until I witnessed a FG go wide left that was called good in our own stadium. Overshadowed by "The Drive," and a legendary QB. Horse crap is what it was and still is.
I also saw Clay Matthews pick up a backwards pass by Warren Moon in a playoff game at our own stadium, but Jerry Markbreit "blew the play dead," and we lost. Guess who got promoted to the head of officials years later? Yep, Jerry Markbreit. He also was lead official in the "Holy Roller" game.
Pittsburgh & Denver have gotten some serious playoff gifts, more than the other 30 teams combined I bet. Patriots have had a few breaks as you know.
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