Trump associate Roger Stone arrested, faces obstruction charge
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Yeah...remember when the Attorney General lied under oath to congress?
What happened to Eric Holder?
Oh...that’s right...nothing.
Remember how the GOP had the presidency and both houses of Congress for these last two years and could've launched an inquiry into Eric Holder or other Obama administration officials at pretty much anytime?
Oh... that's right...they still did nothing about it. Don't come bitching to me because the GOP didn't have the stones to do anything about it.
"That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson -
Yeah...remember when the Attorney General lied under oath to congress?
What happened to Eric Holder?
Oh...that’s right...nothing.
Remember how the GOP had the presidency and both houses of Congress for these last two years and could've launched an inquiry into Eric Holder or other Obama administration officials at pretty much anytime?
Oh... that's right...they still did nothing about it. Don't come bitching to me because the GOP didn't have the stones to do anything about it.
Don't come bitching to me because the GOP didn't have the stones to do anything about it.
They didnt do.it cause obviously there isnt shit there and they know it
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They didnt do.it cause obviously there isnt shit there and they know it
I disagree. Holder did probably lie under oath, and should be made accountable for it. And as corrupt as Trump is, Hillary and Bill Clinton are a league beyond him in corruption and should have been investigated years ago.
However, at the end of the day, the fact remains that Trump and the GOP-majority Congress had the Constitutional power to investigate the above mentioned people, whether by appointment of a special prosecutor akin to Muller or a congressional select committee, etc. Neither one did jack shit about it.
But those on the far right - including several members on this pol board - will continue to gladly eat the horseshit that Trump is feeding them as long as he can keep their dicks hard with the whole "lock her up" and "MAGA" routine that he was never going to act upon in the first place.
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They didnt do.it cause obviously there isnt shit there and they know it
I disagree. Holder did probably lie under oath, and should be made accountable for it. And as corrupt as Trump is, Hillary and Bill Clinton are a league beyond him in corruption and should have been investigated years ago.
However, at the end of the day, the fact remains that Trump and the GOP-majority Congress had the Constitutional power to investigate the above mentioned people, whether by appointment of a special prosecutor akin to Muller or a congressional select committee, etc. Neither one did jack shit about it.
But those on the far right - including several members on this pol board - will continue to gladly eat the horseshit that Trump is feeding them as long as he can keep their dicks hard with the whole "lock her up" and "MAGA" routine that he was never going to act upon in the first place.
I disagree. Holder did probably lie under oath, and should be made accountable for it.
Well i always operate u der the assumption whats made public is around 15% or less of the whole story and of that 15% or less maybe 5% is actual truth. So as u said, the republicans had both houses and the white house too yet thet didnt pursue someone "who most certainly and surely" lied under oath. Becausr they didnt, i will continue to operste under my original proposition....other people know far more shit than me and they felt it not worth going after. Its probably complicated and involves shit they're not willing to tell us
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They didnt do.it cause obviously there isnt shit there and they know it
I disagree. Holder did probably lie under oath, and should be made accountable for it. And as corrupt as Trump is, Hillary and Bill Clinton are a league beyond him in corruption and should have been investigated years ago.
However, at the end of the day, the fact remains that Trump and the GOP-majority Congress had the Constitutional power to investigate the above mentioned people, whether by appointment of a special prosecutor akin to Muller or a congressional select committee, etc. Neither one did jack shit about it.
But those on the far right - including several members on this pol board - will continue to gladly eat the horseshit that Trump is feeding them as long as he can keep their dicks hard with the whole "lock her up" and "MAGA" routine that he was never going to act upon in the first place.
But those on the far right - including several members on this pol board - will continue to gladly eat the horseshit that Trump is feeding them as long as he can keep their dicks hard with the whole "lock her up" and "MAGA" routine that he was never going to act upon in the first place.
you mean like he's never going to keep any promises? like the two excellent Constitutionalist Supreme Court judges?
getting us out of the rotten iran deal?
telling the paris accord to pound salt?
shall I keep listing them again and again?
your deep state higgardly deleted 33,ooo emails AFTER THEY WERE SUBPOENAED.
the deep state protected her.
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Yeah...remember when the Attorney General lied under oath to congress?
What happened to Eric Holder?
Oh...that’s right...nothing.
Remember how the GOP had the presidency and both houses of Congress for these last two years and could've launched an inquiry into Eric Holder or other Obama administration officials at pretty much anytime?
Oh... that's right...they still did nothing about it. Don't come bitching to me because the GOP didn't have the stones to do anything about it.
Remember how the GOP had the presidency and both houses of Congress for these last two years and could've launched an inquiry into Eric Holder or other Obama administration officials at pretty much anytime?
Oh... that's right...they still did nothing about it. Don't come bitching to me because the GOP didn't have the stones to do anything about it.
It all comes down to the attorney general a president has. Obama was wise enough to appoint AG's like Holder and Lynch who acted like they were Obama's personal attorney's and there was no way either of these two were ever going to appoint a special counsel to look into any of the scandals in Obama's 8 years. Trump however gets a special counsel in just a couple of months of being in office. He can thank Jeff Sessions for that. Trump's biggest mistakes were not firing Comey on his first day in office and choosing incompetent Jeff Sessions as his Attorney General. Republican leaders begged Sessions time and time again to appoint another special counsel to look into Clinton and her campaign and he wouldn't do it. Sessions did not have to recuse himself either from the Russian investigation because of conflicts. If being conflicted was the cause for recusal then Rosenstein should have never been the acting AG in the Russian investigation because he had more conflicts than anyone yet he didn't recuse himself.
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But those on the far right - including several members on this pol board - will continue to gladly eat the horseshit that Trump is feeding them as long as he can keep their dicks hard with the whole "lock her up" and "MAGA" routine that he was never going to act upon in the first place.
you mean like he's never going to keep any promises? like the two excellent Constitutionalist Supreme Court judges?
getting us out of the rotten iran deal?
telling the paris accord to pound salt?
shall I keep listing them again and again?
your deep state higgardly deleted 33,ooo emails AFTER THEY WERE SUBPOENAED.
the deep state protected her.
you mean like he's never going to keep any promises? like the two excellent Constitutionalist Supreme Court judges?
getting us out of the rotten iran deal?
telling the paris accord to pound salt?
shall I keep listing them again and again?
your deep state higgardly deleted 33,ooo emails AFTER THEY WERE SUBPOENAED.
the deep state protected her.
Trump is part of the deep state? Because he certainly could have pushed hard on having Hillary investigated. Likewise, he could have pressed the matter of the wall being built when they had a GOP majority. Both sides play the same game of not doing jack shit until all of a sudden they become quite the idea folks when they no longer have the House and Senate.
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you mean like he's never going to keep any promises? like the two excellent Constitutionalist Supreme Court judges?
getting us out of the rotten iran deal?
telling the paris accord to pound salt?
shall I keep listing them again and again?
your deep state higgardly deleted 33,ooo emails AFTER THEY WERE SUBPOENAED.
the deep state protected her.
Trump is part of the deep state? Because he certainly could have pushed hard on having Hillary investigated. Likewise, he could have pressed the matter of the wall being built when they had a GOP majority. Both sides play the same game of not doing jack shit until all of a sudden they become quite the idea folks when they no longer have the House and Senate.
Likewise, he could have pressed the matter of the wall being built when they had a GOP majority.
Which means he would’ve needed 60 votes in the Senate (aka needed at least 9 Democrats to break ranks).
We both know that wasn’t going to happen.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
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Oh poor lying little peacock. Where did Trump dredge up all these scumbags anyway? Let me get out the appropriate tool, the world's smallest violin.?
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Oh poor lying little peacock. Where did Trump dredge up all these scumbags anyway? Let me get out the appropriate tool, the world's smallest violin.?
Oh poor lying little peacock. Where did Trump dredge up all these scumbags anyway? Let me get out the appropriate tool, the world's smallest violin.?
Tex if you want to be unbiased here for just a second I would think you would agree that the way Stone was arrested early in the morning with the SWAT teams and and army of armed officers with weapons at the ready was totally uncalled for. Stone is 66 years old, no criminal record, lives with his wife and dog and cats and is being arrested over a process crime. If this is not a political stunt by Mueller I don't know what is, not to mention CNN was jolly on the spot with cameras ready to go. Total abuse of power.
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Alan Dershowitz: Stone indictment follows concerning Mueller pattern
The indictment of former Donald Trump associate Roger Stone follows a long pattern that should raise serious concerns about the special counsel investigation.
Like virtually all of these indictments, the indictment of Stone does not charge any substantive crimes relating to Russia that were committed before Robert Mueller was appointed as special counsel. It charges crimes that grew out of the investigation itself and were allegedly committed after Mueller was appointed.
Recall that Mueller’s primary job was to uncover crimes that already occurred relating to Russian involvement in the 2016 election. He also was authorized to investigate and prosecute crimes growing out of the investigation, such as perjury and obstruction of justice, but this role was secondary to the primary one.Well, it turns out that the secondary role has produced many more indictments of Americans than the primary one. A review of all the indictments and guilty pleas secured by Mueller shows that nearly all of them fall into three categories.
(1) Process crimes growing out of the investigation itself, such as false statements, perjury, obstruction of justice and witness tampering. These crimes resulted from the investigation itself. That doesn’t make them less serious, but it is relevant to evaluating the overall success or failure of Mueller’s primary mission.
(2) Crimes that occurred before Mueller was appointed but that cover unrelated business activities by individuals associated with President Trump. The object of these indictments is to pressure the defendants to provide evidence against the resident.
(3) One indictment against Russian individuals who will never be brought to justice in the United States. This indictment was largely for show.
Mueller’s tactic, as described by U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis, III, is to find crimes committed by associates of President Trump and to indict them in order to put pressure on them to cooperate. This is what Judge Ellis said about the earlier indictment of former Trump presidential campaign chairman Paul Manafort: “You don’t really care about Mr. Manafort’s bank fraud – what you really care about is what information Mr. Manafort could give you that would reflect on Mr. Trump or lead to his prosecution or impeachment.”
Judge Ellis also pointed out the dangers of this tactic: “This vernacular to ‘sing’ is what prosecutors use. What you got to be careful of is that they may not only sing, they may compose.” This is all too common a tactic widely employed by prosecutors, particularly in organized crime and other hierarchical cases. But the fact that it is common does not make it right. Civil libertarians have long expressed concern about the tactic of indicting someone for the primary purpose of getting them to cooperate against the real target.
I have been writing about this for decades. In fact, I coined the term “compose” that Judge Ellis cited. But most fair-weather civil libertarians have remained silent with regard to Mueller because his target is President Trump, who they despise. The American Civil Liberties Union, which is flush with cash since Trump became president, has expressed little criticism of Mueller’s anti-civil liberties tactics.
It seems clear that the manner by which Roger Stone was arrested — an early-morning raid on his home, observed by media — was intended to put pressure on him to cooperate. Ordinarily, a white-collar defendant is allowed to self-surrender to authorities, unless there is fear of escape, which does not appear to be the case here, as evidenced by his low bail. Whether Stone “sings” or “composes” remains to be seen.
He has said he would never cooperate, but attorney Michael Cohen said he would take a bullet for President Trump — before he turned against him in an effort to get a reduced sentence. Prosecutors have many weapons at their disposal to get reluctant witnesses to cooperate, such as threatening to indict family members as in the Michael Flynn case. Civil libertarians should be concerned about the tactics being used by Mueller to get witnesses to sing. All Americans should be concerned about the ends-justify-the-means approach taken by the special prosecutor.
If, in the end, Mueller comes up relatively empty on substantive crimes relating to Russia that were committed before he was appointed, and can point only to the three categories of alleged crimes described above, it will be difficult to declare his investigation a success, or his appointment justified by the results.
Based on what we have seen thus far, it would have been far better if a nonpartisan commission of experts, like the 9/11 Commission, had been appointed to investigate Russian involvement in the 2016 election and to make recommendations about how to prevent Russia from trying to influence future American elections.
Alan M. Dershowitz is the Felix Frankfurter Professor of Law, Emeritus, at Harvard Law School. His new book is “The Case Against the Democratic House Impeaching Trump.” You can follow him on Twitter @AlanDersh.
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Likewise, he could have pressed the matter of the wall being built when they had a GOP majority.
Which means he would’ve needed 60 votes in the Senate (aka needed at least 9 Democrats to break ranks).
We both know that wasn’t going to happen.
Which means he would’ve needed 60 votes in the Senate (aka needed at least 9 Democrats to break ranks).
We both know that wasn’t going to happen.
And you think his chances got better after more Dems got in there?
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Which means he would’ve needed 60 votes in the Senate (aka needed at least 9 Democrats to break ranks).
We both know that wasn’t going to happen.
And you think his chances got better after more Dems got in there?
And you think his chances got better after more Dems got in there?
Of course there are actually less Democrats than there were a few months ago so... At least in the Senate.
WSS
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after all the dems fascist socialist antics, the pendulum will swing back the other way, to real America.
Unless we end up with no America.
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Which means he would’ve needed 60 votes in the Senate (aka needed at least 9 Democrats to break ranks).
We both know that wasn’t going to happen.
And you think his chances got better after more Dems got in there?
And you think his chances got better after more Dems got in there?
Actually the Senate picked up several more Republicans.
Since the Dems are much better at voting along party lines, I would say his chances are the same.
Slim and none.
Unless of course chickenshit Mitch McConnel would use the nuclear option...but that’s not gonna happen.
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And you think his chances got better after more Dems got in there?
Actually the Senate picked up several more Republicans.
Since the Dems are much better at voting along party lines, I would say his chances are the same.
Slim and none.
Unless of course chickenshit Mitch McConnel would use the nuclear option...but that’s not gonna happen.
Since the Dems are much better at voting along party lines, I would say his chances are the same.
Slim and none.
They all vote along party lines. That is why jack shit gets done.
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Since the Dems are much better at voting along party lines, I would say his chances are the same.
Slim and none.
They all vote along party lines. That is why jack shit gets done.
They all vote along party lines. That is why jack shit gets done.
Not really, don't forget the freedom caucus or whatever the fuck they're called. And you've got that four or five clowns who put on The Big Show of being independent. Democrats are pretty much lockstep.
WSS
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They all vote along party lines. That is why jack shit gets done.
Not really, don't forget the freedom caucus or whatever the fuck they're called. And you've got that four or five clowns who put on The Big Show of being independent. Democrats are pretty much lockstep.
WSS
Not really, don't forget the freedom caucus or whatever the fuck they're called. And you've got that four or five clowns who put on The Big Show of being independent. Democrats are pretty much lockstep.
WSS
The few pragmatic types who are lost in a sea of turds just worried about re-election. I think it is safe to say we have reached the point of just needing to pass major issues via referendum.
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