The Missed Call in NFC Champ. Game
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Completely disagree, and I'm shocked more of you on this forum didn't call BS. When did this forum become like U Miami after the loss to Ohio State in 03? Quit whining about one play and ask why they didn't take advantage of the other 50 opportunities they did have.
If the penalty was called, they get a first. OK. Maybe they miss the FG, maybe they fumble. Saints got the ball first in OT and failed there also.
Saints didn't need the refs' help to blow multiple plays in the first half.. and if the refereeing is perfect we also don't know what ADDITIONAL calls would have gone against the Saints.
Though I didn't understand Peyton not running the ball on first down and I remember the missed opportunities, I have to disagree.
You have a number of challenges that you should use wisely, so if they miss a PI on first quarter, you may swallow it because humans make mistakes. But when the game is on the line and the tension is growing, the failed calls are less acceptable and not having the chance to review them (even if you don't increase the number of challenges) and FIX human mistakes (even more after showing that mistake to millions of people) is something that should be changed.
I don't want them to have a thousand of challenge flags, I just want the coaches to have the chance to challenge any kind of fault and referees don't whistling the ball dead way too early. Those two situations frustrate me the most.
And I repeat, I don't believe in conspiracy theories.
And I repeat, I don't believe in conspiracy theories.
I never really did either, until I witnessed a FG go wide left that was called good in our own stadium. Overshadowed by "The Drive," and a legendary QB. Horse crap is what it was and still is.
I also saw Clay Matthews pick up a backwards pass by Warren Moon in a playoff game at our own stadium, but Jerry Markbreit "blew the play dead," and we lost. Guess who got promoted to the head of officials years later? Yep, Jerry Markbreit. He also was lead official in the "Holy Roller" game.
Pittsburgh & Denver have gotten some serious playoff gifts, more than the other 30 teams combined I bet. Patriots have had a few breaks as you know.
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How could they blow the whistle before the fumble, when he fumbled during the act of extending the ball towards the goaline? The play was blown dead because they ruled it a TD, then overturned the call on review.
ETA: as Mark said, very next week the same thing happened. I don't mind the call against the browns, as that's how those plays are consistently called. So yeah, it was a mistake...but it's an easy one to make and was only able to be assertained a wrong call by frame by frame analysis.
Well, are we saying then, that they whistled the play dead only after the fumble, and they THOUGHT it was a TD? what if they were wrong and it wasn't a TD? After the fumble, I'd think it doesn't get whistled til the end of the play, then the truth sorts out on replay, one way or another. It's probably just me, but.... btw, if the exact same play happens in another ratbird game, didn't they learn anything from the first debacle?
My dumb opinion, lol, is that if it was the steelers instead of the Browns playing that game, it would have been a fumble and a TD the other direction. LOL.
dammit. whatever. I have the last four games recorded and I don't think I want to rewatch that game.
. if the exact same play happens in another ratbird game, didn't they learn anything from the first debacle?
My dumb opinion, lol, is that if it was the steelers instead of the Browns playing that game, it would have been a fumble and a TD the other direction. LOL.
The exact same thing did happen the next weekend. Ravens and Chargers in the playoffs. Chargers running back is lunging for the goal line and loses the ball, the Ravens player picks it up and does in fact run it all the way back for a TD. Crowd going nuts. Officials believed that it was a TD and were blowing the whistles to end the play but no one heard it that way on the field, after review it was ruled that he was down short of the goal line and it wasn't a fumble but they did the exact same thing and blew the whistles and ended the play.
There isn't a conspiracy against the Browns. Bad calls happen in every game all season. Watch other games and not just the Browns and you'd see that.
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The Rams defender who hit the receiver has been fined $27,000 for the helmet to helmet hit ....rubs salt in Saints wounds
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Ref's miss calls, make them when they don't see them. (the hit to Brady's head that wasn't, the non fumble against us that should've been a td for us.)
This is not new. It's unfortunate that humans blow calls.
What they should do, going forward, is to put it in the hands of the coaches, under the coaches challenge rules. I don't want to see some guy in New York controlling the game and stopping the game every third play from scrimmage. If a PI call is made or not, a coach can challenge it. Offside, false start, a blatant holding. A coach can challenge all of 'em (a specific incident of course). But the coach only has a couple of challenges per half so he has to judge the importance of the challenge at hand.
What they should do...is to put it in the hands of the coaches, under the coaches challenge rules.
...an issue with that thought is: Coach A throws the flag for pass interference....then Coach B throws his flag figuring that you could call a holding penalty Somewhere on any play.
I know, We'll build a large wooden badger....
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The Rams defender who hit the receiver has been fined $27,000 for the helmet to helmet hit ....rubs salt in Saints wounds
The Rams defender who hit the receiver has been fined $27,000 for the helmet to helmet hit ....rubs salt in Saints wounds
Hardly makes the Superbowl worth watching when you know one team does not belong there. It's the Shambowl.
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Hardly makes the Superbowl worth watching when you know one team does not belong there. It's the Shambowl.
Which is exactly why I'll be tying flies for fishing instead of watching it.
Mike
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Hopefully that will change. I think it should be reviewable as should all roughing the passer and also the helmet to helmet hits. Give the coaches one extra challenge and let them review all those things. Won't slow the game down any and they can get the calls right.
Not sure why the NFL should give a rat's ass about "slowing the game down". The game is slowed down tremendously with all their TV timeouts....this would absolutely add little to the length of a game comparatively.
Not sure why the NFL should give a rat's ass about "slowing the game down". The game is slowed down tremendously with all their TV timeouts....this would absolutely add little to the length of a game comparatively.
Want better refs? Better training and pay would help a lot. No fix can be perfect. The refs would get better if shown how. Maybe add one as well. Expand replay and take it out of team hands. They shouldn’t get punished for a questionable call.
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This was a disgrace to all NFL fans. These ref's throw flags on some of the most non-contact plays and this play proves that not one , but two ref's were in view of this penalty. It does no good for the NFL office to say that WE MISSED THAT CALL' Really, what makes you think that. hell millions of fans seen it, the fans in the stadium seen it, the players and coaches seen it, but the two closest ref's went blind all of a sudden. This stuff makes me so mad about ref;s controlling the game. When calls like this occur, I feel the coach has the right to throw a red challenge flag to prove that the ref's were at fault, and let the video speak for its self. Like they say, ref's are human , and make mistakes. So if that's the case, then let the video prove them wrong.
This was a disgrace to all NFL fans. These ref's throw flags on some of the most non-contact plays and this play proves that not one , but two ref's were in view of this penalty. It does no good for the NFL office to say that WE MISSED THAT CALL' Really, what makes you think that. hell millions of fans seen it, the fans in the stadium seen it, the players and coaches seen it, but the two closest ref's went blind all of a sudden. This stuff makes me so mad about ref;s controlling the game. When calls like this occur, I feel the coach has the right to throw a red challenge flag to prove that the ref's were at fault, and let the video speak for its self. Like they say, ref's are human , and make mistakes. So if that's the case, then let the video prove them wrong.
Love the fire in you. Just my opinion, but I think it's way deeper than the instant replay so hear me out on this long winded rant that won't please any of our fans living in CA.
I stopped watching the NBA years ago when the officials had more say in the outcomes than the players in order to KEEP the CA markets in the finals. I can't tell you how many times I saw the Utah Jazz not getting to the free throw line for obvious fouls committed while the Lakers went to the line for every every ticky tacky foul possibly invented. Whenever they could get a Boston-LA matchup for the higher market TV ratings spike - those calling the game were often more influential to the outcome than the players.
I was hoping this wouldn't bleed over into the NFL but Roger Goodfella got his dream of 2 Teams in LA. Guess who both made the playoffs? And guess who just made the SB on one of the shadiest/most controversial non-calls? The Saints just got Utah Jazzed by that same LA market agenda from the top to bring this sport a, drum roll please..... Boston-LA matchup. Officiating had everything to do with 1 of those teams getting there. Some have even suggested that Dee Ford penalty has often been a warning to the player by the line judge before a flag is thrown especially if officials don't allegedly want to impact the final score. If he was playing for the right market against the Saints, that's a non-call all the way as we all witnessed in the 2 penalties 1 officiating crew purposely selected not to call at the most crucial point in the game.
BTW, this parity they want us to think is so special has us watching everybody but NE, Pittsburgh and Ratville,MD changing coaches every other year or so in the AFC. In the NFC that only applies to Seattle, New Orleans, Carolina and Dallas. The NBA used to have the same kind of parity when they perpetuated all the same teams competing to win it all while the small markets elsewhere never really got relevant.
There's still people under the assumption that NFL owners get most of their profit from home attendance. Not any more man. Roger Goodfella became a hero to ALL the owners when he helped get them the gigantic TV contracts giving all 32 owners a shared revenue that blows away what each team brings in from stadium attendances. The worst thing that could happen right now is for all the people in that LA market to get just as bored with their NFL teams as they once did with the Rams franchise that frequented post seasons. Not to worry - we just watched how Roger prevented that. When you really think about it - there was quite a trend of NFL line judges and linesmen missing blatant false starts on the LA Chargers' LT and sometimes more than once a game. Now all that alleged need to challenge pass interference calls is just a nice detour from a really stinky scent; and Roger adores it.
I used to get pissed off when people would say - that game was fixed, not to be confused with someone getting hosed on a bad call. Today? Roger is more interested in new TV markets out of this country than he is about ever caring what happens to traditional/storied franchises buried in his agenda. That said, now that ATT has taken over DirecTV and their monopoly - their current level of customer service needs chemotherapy before it metastasizes beyond all repair. If you're going to charge long time customers an arm and a leg - shouldn't you at least hire someone that knows how to bill customers correctly?
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This was a disgrace to all NFL fans. These ref's throw flags on some of the most non-contact plays and this play proves that not one , but two ref's were in view of this penalty. It does no good for the NFL office to say that WE MISSED THAT CALL' Really, what makes you think that. hell millions of fans seen it, the fans in the stadium seen it, the players and coaches seen it, but the two closest ref's went blind all of a sudden. This stuff makes me so mad about ref;s controlling the game. When calls like this occur, I feel the coach has the right to throw a red challenge flag to prove that the ref's were at fault, and let the video speak for its self. Like they say, ref's are human , and make mistakes. So if that's the case, then let the video prove them wrong.
Love the fire in you. Just my opinion, but I think it's way deeper than the instant replay so hear me out on this long winded rant that won't please any of our fans living in CA.
I stopped watching the NBA years ago when the officials had more say in the outcomes than the players in order to KEEP the CA markets in the finals. I can't tell you how many times I saw the Utah Jazz not getting to the free throw line for obvious fouls committed while the Lakers went to the line for every every ticky tacky foul possibly invented. Whenever they could get a Boston-LA matchup for the higher market TV ratings spike - those calling the game were often more influential to the outcome than the players.
I was hoping this wouldn't bleed over into the NFL but Roger Goodfella got his dream of 2 Teams in LA. Guess who both made the playoffs? And guess who just made the SB on one of the shadiest/most controversial non-calls? The Saints just got Utah Jazzed by that same LA market agenda from the top to bring this sport a, drum roll please..... Boston-LA matchup. Officiating had everything to do with 1 of those teams getting there. Some have even suggested that Dee Ford penalty has often been a warning to the player by the line judge before a flag is thrown especially if officials don't allegedly want to impact the final score. If he was playing for the right market against the Saints, that's a non-call all the way as we all witnessed in the 2 penalties 1 officiating crew purposely selected not to call at the most crucial point in the game.
BTW, this parity they want us to think is so special has us watching everybody but NE, Pittsburgh and Ratville,MD changing coaches every other year or so in the AFC. In the NFC that only applies to Seattle, New Orleans, Carolina and Dallas. The NBA used to have the same kind of parity when they perpetuated all the same teams competing to win it all while the small markets elsewhere never really got relevant.
There's still people under the assumption that NFL owners get most of their profit from home attendance. Not any more man. Roger Goodfella became a hero to ALL the owners when he helped get them the gigantic TV contracts giving all 32 owners a shared revenue that blows away what each team brings in from stadium attendances. The worst thing that could happen right now is for all the people in that LA market to get just as bored with their NFL teams as they once did with the Rams franchise that frequented post seasons. Not to worry - we just watched how Roger prevented that. When you really think about it - there was quite a trend of NFL line judges and linesmen missing blatant false starts on the LA Chargers' LT and sometimes more than once a game. Now all that alleged need to challenge pass interference calls is just a nice detour from a really stinky scent; and Roger adores it.
I used to get pissed off when people would say - that game was fixed, not to be confused with someone getting hosed on a bad call. Today? Roger is more interested in new TV markets out of this country than he is about ever caring what happens to traditional/storied franchises buried in his agenda. That said, now that ATT has taken over DirecTV and their monopoly - their current level of customer service needs chemotherapy before it metastasizes beyond all repair. If you're going to charge long time customers an arm and a leg - shouldn't you at least hire someone that knows how to bill customers correctly?
The worst thing that could happen right now is for all the people in that LA market to get just as bored with their NFL teams as they once did with the Rams franchise that frequented post seasons.t.
People in LA don't care about the Rams or the Chargers, case in point the ratings were higher for the Patriots/Chiefs game than for the Rams/Saints game last weekend in LA. Chargers are playing in a 27,000 seat stadium and every game has more fans of the visiting team than the Chargers. I live out here and you'd think there would be all sorts of Super Bowl talk and buzz with the Rams in the game and its just not like that. No one cares.
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The worst thing that could happen right now is for all the people in that LA market to get just as bored with their NFL teams as they once did with the Rams franchise that frequented post seasons.t.
People in LA don't care about the Rams or the Chargers, case in point the ratings were higher for the Patriots/Chiefs game than for the Rams/Saints game last weekend in LA. Chargers are playing in a 27,000 seat stadium and every game has more fans of the visiting team than the Chargers. I live out here and you'd think there would be all sorts of Super Bowl talk and buzz with the Rams in the game and its just not like that. No one cares.
People in LA don't care about the Rams or the Chargers, case in point the ratings were higher for the Patriots/Chiefs game than for the Rams/Saints game last weekend in LA. Chargers are playing in a 27,000 seat stadium and every game has more fans of the visiting team than the Chargers. I live out here and you'd think there would be all sorts of Super Bowl talk and buzz with the Rams in the game and its just not like that. No one cares.
Wow! Thanks Mark! That's what is so batshitt nuts about this Commish cramming LA market size down the esophagi. Roger needs 2 teams because of market size when that same market size didn't give the first shitt about the last Rams team that frequented post seasons let alone 2 different NFL teams? Needs assessment anyone?
Roger has HIS 2 playoff teams in LA today and one of them needs to frequent SBs or he's going to be dangerously close to sending one of them back to St Louis and the other one elsewhere. The Chargers deserve something better than half a seating capacity of 27,000 fans interested in them. That's been too good of franchise with Dan Fouts, Stan Humphries, Drew Brees, and Phillip Rivers to warrant that lack of interest. Here's a concept, how about finding out why a team that frequents NFL post seasons can't keep locals interested in viewing or attending games. When I had season tickets to Vandy games before Franklin showed up and gave them back to back 9 wins seasons - I thought it was pathetic an SEC Team with a seating capacity of 35,000 couldn't muster up at least 17,000 home fans. Ready for this? Season tickets only cost $192 for me and my wife. The Chargers aren't even beating that right now; but Roger got the big TV contracts so there's an inevitable blind eye or 32 to the situation...
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Population New Orleans metro area: 1,262,888
Population Los Angeles metro area: 13,131,431
If YOU were the NFL brass faced with sagging ratings, purely from a business standpoint, who would YOU want in the Super Bowl, New Orleans or the L.A. Rams?
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Population New Orleans metro area: 1,262,888
Population Los Angeles metro area: 13,131,431
If YOU were the NFL brass faced with sagging ratings, purely from a business standpoint, who would YOU want in the Super Bowl, New Orleans or the L.A. Rams?
Population New Orleans metro area: 1,262,888
Population Los Angeles metro area: 13,131,431
If YOU were the NFL brass faced with sagging ratings, purely from a business standpoint, who would YOU want in the Super Bowl, New Orleans or the L.A. Rams?
The ratings aren't sagging. Quite the contrary they went up like 6 to 7% this year. Which is like the second highest they've been overall. Everyone wants to point out the ratings drop of last year but it isn't that people aren't watching football they aren't watching TV at least legally. A lot of streaming goes on which doesn't go into ratings. I should say illegal streaming. Even though ratings were down last year 27 of the top 50 watched television shows or programs, whatever you want to call them, were NFL football games. Which is right on par with every other year just over 50% of the most watched shows are football games every year. So though they dip last year so did the rest of television and they stayed right on par with where they've always been.
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Hardly makes the Superbowl worth watching when you know one team does not belong there. It's the Shambowl.
I'm still trying to figure out what the Rams did to deserve the hate from people.
A defender realized that a receiver was totally uncovered, so he ran over there to try and stop a sure TD. He got there too early. He knows he did. Was he supposed to put up his hand and call a foul on himself?
Before the game was played, I felt either team deserved to go to the Super Bowl. During the play of the game, it looked like either team deserved to go. And now, after the game, I can still say that either team deserved to go to the SB. The two teams played hard and well. It's just that the ref's phucked one team out of a much better chance to have won the game. Sucks for the Saints and their fans. But it's not the Rams fault.
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for me - it's that they moved. twice. and that non call ranks way high on the NFL "there is no freaking way they didn't see that. they just refused to call it to make the commish happy" kind of a play, imho.
Seriously - does ANYBODY think that if it were the squealers driving to win the game, and they hit antonio brown that freaking early and flagrantly, that it would be a no call?
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People in LA don't care about the Rams or the Chargers, case in point the ratings were higher for the Patriots/Chiefs game than for the Rams/Saints game last weekend in LA. Chargers are playing in a 27,000 seat stadium and every game has more fans of the visiting team than the Chargers. I live out here and you'd think there would be all sorts of Super Bowl talk and buzz with the Rams in the game and its just not like that. No one cares.
Wow! Thanks Mark! That's what is so batshitt nuts about this Commish cramming LA market size down the esophagi. Roger needs 2 teams because of market size when that same market size didn't give the first shitt about the last Rams team that frequented post seasons let alone 2 different NFL teams? Needs assessment anyone?
Roger has HIS 2 playoff teams in LA today and one of them needs to frequent SBs or he's going to be dangerously close to sending one of them back to St Louis and the other one elsewhere. The Chargers deserve something better than half a seating capacity of 27,000 fans interested in them. That's been too good of franchise with Dan Fouts, Stan Humphries, Drew Brees, and Phillip Rivers to warrant that lack of interest. Here's a concept, how about finding out why a team that frequents NFL post seasons can't keep locals interested in viewing or attending games. When I had season tickets to Vandy games before Franklin showed up and gave them back to back 9 wins seasons - I thought it was pathetic an SEC Team with a seating capacity of 35,000 couldn't muster up at least 17,000 home fans. Ready for this? Season tickets only cost $192 for me and my wife. The Chargers aren't even beating that right now; but Roger got the big TV contracts so there's an inevitable blind eye or 32 to the situation...
Wow! Thanks Mark! That's what is so batshitt nuts about this Commish cramming LA market size down the esophagi. Roger needs 2 teams because of market size when that same market size didn't give the first shitt about the last Rams team that frequented post seasons let alone 2 different NFL teams? Needs assessment anyone?
Roger has HIS 2 playoff teams in LA today and one of them needs to frequent SBs or he's going to be dangerously close to sending one of them back to St Louis and the other one elsewhere. The Chargers deserve something better than half a seating capacity of 27,000 fans interested in them. That's been too good of franchise with Dan Fouts, Stan Humphries, Drew Brees, and Phillip Rivers to warrant that lack of interest. Here's a concept, how about finding out why a team that frequents NFL post seasons can't keep locals interested in viewing or attending games. When I had season tickets to Vandy games before Franklin showed up and gave them back to back 9 wins seasons - I thought it was pathetic an SEC Team with a seating capacity of 35,000 couldn't muster up at least 17,000 home fans. Ready for this? Season tickets only cost $192 for me and my wife. The Chargers aren't even beating that right now; but Roger got the big TV contracts so there's an inevitable blind eye or 32 to the situation...
You blame it on Roger Goodelle but I don’t think this is Roger is doing this has Jerry Jones fingerprints all over it. Jones is the greedy bastard not Roger
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I’m still mad about that call.... I wasted 4 hours of my life watching that game for it to end like that.
Ref said, “I thought ball was tipped” ya ok..... every other PI that gets called with a questionable tip gets the flag thrown, refs huddle up and the one closest to the line says the ball was tipped and they pick the flag up....
Honestly if that would have happened to the Browns I’m not sure I could ever watch another NFL game.
Keep reading all these articles about how happy bookies are that an LA team made the super bowl because betting on the game has tripled because of it....
The biggest farce of the whole thing is the NFL fined the CB for the illegal hit and took his money.....what a freaking joke.
I can’t believe I’m hoping the Pats waste the Rams and it’s an awful blowout game. I seriously have to root for the Pats? Screw you NFL.
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Hardly makes the Superbowl worth watching when you know one team does not belong there. It's the Shambowl.
I'm still trying to figure out what the Rams did to deserve the hate from people.
A defender realized that a receiver was totally uncovered, so he ran over there to try and stop a sure TD. He got there too early. He knows he did. Was he supposed to put up his hand and call a foul on himself?
Before the game was played, I felt either team deserved to go to the Super Bowl. During the play of the game, it looked like either team deserved to go. And now, after the game, I can still say that either team deserved to go to the SB. The two teams played hard and well. It's just that the ref's phucked one team out of a much better chance to have won the game. Sucks for the Saints and their fans. But it's not the Rams fault.
I'm still trying to figure out what the Rams did to deserve the hate from people.
A defender realized that a receiver was totally uncovered, so he ran over there to try and stop a sure TD. He got there too early. He knows he did. Was he supposed to put up his hand and call a foul on himself?
Before the game was played, I felt either team deserved to go to the Super Bowl. During the play of the game, it looked like either team deserved to go. And now, after the game, I can still say that either team deserved to go to the SB. The two teams played hard and well. It's just that the ref's phucked one team out of a much better chance to have won the game. Sucks for the Saints and their fans. But it's not the Rams fault.
I don't blame the Rams at all. But I also know they do not belong there because that one playcall changed the obvious win into a loss. The wrong team is in the Superbowl. But even so I am tired of NE winning so I hope it goes the Rams way. It just is not one I look forward to seeing, but probably will anyway.
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I'm still trying to figure out what the Rams did to deserve the hate from people.
A defender realized that a receiver was totally uncovered, so he ran over there to try and stop a sure TD. He got there too early. He knows he did. Was he supposed to put up his hand and call a foul on himself?
Before the game was played, I felt either team deserved to go to the Super Bowl. During the play of the game, it looked like either team deserved to go. And now, after the game, I can still say that either team deserved to go to the SB. The two teams played hard and well. It's just that the ref's phucked one team out of a much better chance to have won the game. Sucks for the Saints and their fans. But it's not the Rams fault.
I don't blame the Rams at all. But I also know they do not belong there because that one playcall changed the obvious win into a loss. The wrong team is in the Superbowl. But even so I am tired of NE winning so I hope it goes the Rams way. It just is not one I look forward to seeing, but probably will anyway.
that one playcall changed the obvious win into a loss.
But we don't know that with 100% certainty. - They next might have called a bubble screen left for a loss of 7 yards.
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that one playcall changed the obvious win into a loss.
But we don't know that with 100% certainty. - They next might have called a bubble screen left for a loss of 7 yards.
But we don't know that with 100% certainty. - They next might have called a bubble screen left for a loss of 7 yards.
Hue coaches the Saints??
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