Running Game compliments the 30-points
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FIRST Brady played well. He was efficient and looked comfortable. He did throw high and low and miss. We did throw 3 times in the redzone to score and could not just like the game against Baltimore.Just like baltimore we scored 27+ points and were up by 10+ and in the end of the third and 4th quarter our defense melted down.
We ran well in the first half and we had stallworth. We also used Cribbs unlike in the Baltimore game we did not do any of those things.
We as a team duplicated the exact same game except against a MUCH WEAKER DEFENSE. Both qbs tossed 2 tds and missed on a redzone attempt. BQ had the advantage of better playcalling because we actually could rush and having stallworth along with Winslow lining up in the slot one on one against a number 3 db. Quinn did not see the pressure nor the exotic defenses the Raven have. So techinically DA had less to work with against a much better defense and put up good numbers with more working against him in personnel and team rushing help.
ITS NOT DA NOR THE QB POSITION. BQ did not stretch the field at all. Honestly I think DA probably would have put up more tds. Either way our TEAM has massive problems. This game back to back against a much weaker defense just showed us how bad our D was.
There is one difference missing from the BALT game.
4th Quarter of the BALT GAME:
Cleveland - 13:52
1st-10, CLE20 13:52 J. Lewis rushed to the left for no gain
2nd-10, CLE20 13:20 J. Lewis rushed to the left for 3 yard gain
3rd-7, CLE23 12:36 D. Anderson incomplete pass down the middle
4th-7, CLE23 12:13 D. Zastudil punt. Y. Figurs returned punt for 6 yard loss
Cleveland - 9:57
1st-10, CLE8 9:57 CLE committed 4 yard penalty
1st-14, CLE4 9:40 J. Lewis rushed to the left for 3 yard gain
2nd-11, CLE7 9:01 J. Lewis rushed to the right for 3 yard gain
3rd-8, CLE10 8:20 D. Anderson passed to K. Winslow down the middle for 6 yard gain
4th-2, CLE16 7:30 D. Zastudil punt. E. Reed returned punt for 8 yards
Baltimore - 5:36
BAL kicked off, J. Cribbs returned kickoff for 38 yards
Cleveland - 5:27
1st-10, CLE40 5:27 J. Wright rushed to the left for 2 yard gain
2nd-8, CLE42 4:55 D. Anderson incomplete pass to the left
3rd-8, CLE42 4:47 D. Anderson incomplete pass to the right
4th-8, CLE42 4:30 D. Zastudil punt. J. Leonhard returned punt for 1 yard. BAL committed 7 yard penalty
Cleveland - 3:25
1st-10, CLE44 3:25 D. Anderson rushed to the right for 2 yard gain
2nd-8, CLE46 3:00 D. Anderson incomplete pass to the left
3rd-8, CLE46 2:43 T. Suggs intercepted D. Anderson for 42 yard touchdown
Cleveland - 2:38
1st-10, CLE40 2:38 D. Anderson incomplete pass to the right
2nd-10, CLE40 2:32 D. Anderson passed to J. Wright down the middle for 12 yard gain
1st-10, BAL48 2:25 D. Anderson rushed to the right for 6 yard gain
2nd-4, BAL42 2:18 D. Anderson incomplete pass down the middle
3rd-4, BAL42 2:14 D. Anderson incomplete pass to the left
4th-4, BAL42 2:04 D. Anderson incomplete pass to the left
D is a big, big, big issue for CLE. But unlike last week CLE moved the ball and put points on the board in the 4th quarter.
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Masters Baltimore D versus Denver.... We could not run and we did not have STallworth. Brady did fine with more against a WEAK D.
The offense can score thats its job. DA did more with less against a much better defensive team. Brady did great on his first game.
Its not the qb spot that is the problem, it is injuries and personnel offensively (be) our rushing game against eveyone except denver who is terrible. DA is the fall guy, BQ whiffed in the endzone in three attempts just like DA did except against a weak d and very little pressure.
BQ had a running game to ease the defense against the pass something DA did not have the benefit in except maybe in the Giants game.
BQ threw in the dirt and overpass along with low passes and was bailed out just like DA was by KW. No one booed, it is a perception issue with the fans with DA because we drafted BQ. It is our other TEAM personnel. Cribbs for me was the MVP with KW next followed by BQ.
I have been trying to point to other team factors and get shouted down because of all of the BQ fandom. NOW after two identical weeks of TEAM collapse in the 3rd and 4th we lose at home with a 13 + point lead. BOTH of these guys in different ways are going to probably produce similar results because of our team issues. BQ will not lengthen the field but will be more efficient in the short game. DA will be less efficient but will stretch the field and made bigger plays. BQ without Stallworth lessening the pressure on KW and BE without a running game to compliment him against good defenses is something we have not seen yet.
Honestly I dont care which one of these two plays but the fans and media need to look at why the TEAM is still failing even with this change.
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JADBF, HERE! HERE!
As to your points OSUSEV, they are for the most part valid (missing players is never an excuse, as people have shown, see NO and a slew of other teams or who they played). I can certainly pick a different game in which DA did the same thing against a less D. How about Cincy for 3 quarters this year or the 2nd CINY game last year, WAS, BUF last year, ARZ...).
Bringing in BQ doesn't fix all the problems for CLE and suddenly make them a winner. But you change what you can to fix those issues you can and DA had problems that hurt the team. Not to the magnatude of the bad coaching, play calling, leadership, or the D (the greatest issue). But they were there and if BQ eliminates those failures, that is one less. You put out the fires you can. DA just happened to be one of those.
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You know...I am getting SO FING GOD DAMN TIRED OF people and thier "I've been trying to get people to talk about the rest of the team....BLAH BLAH BLAH......"
We all had issues with the way the defense has played, almost every person who prefers BQ over DA has also had problems with the offenseive play calling even when DA was in. And we talked about it.
Get off your freaking high horses already.
Everyone understands there are many more problems besides DA with this team. BUt just because we belive that BQ qwill give this team a better chance to win, and have been saying that for a while, Doesn't mean we haven't seen the problems with the rest of the team.
Get over yourselves.
Funny, it's the guys who come in and post in one thread that always do it, too. They don't read the whole board and just start spouting off, meanwhile most of us have beat every issue to death, but we'll get the proverbial tongue lashing for supposedly blaming DA for why Hurricane Katrina happened.
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Please i have been getting shouted down for so long and now that the truth has been finally so obvious because the demand that BQ needs to play and its all DA blah blah blah.
DA played well last week with much less help and against a much better defense. DA against this defense with the run game and stallworth with kellen in the slot one on one against a number three db would have put up better numbers and we possibly could have won.
Brady did good with more against much worse, Like ate (not like lum) i have tried to argue these points and was called names and whatever. DA over the last 5 games was 7tds and 2 ints 200 yds a game 85+ qb rating against really good defenses and played with much less run support and reciever personnel.
It does not matter because BQ will play out the rest of the season and we will see what happens.
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When you combine the games, he was that (and if you throw out the NYG game which inflates that stat it drops a back down to the actual reality of a QBR in the 70's). But when did one of those two picks come? How many were dropped by DBs on the other team? How many times did the O have basic issues w/ snap count and lining up? How many times was there aweful clock management that was on the QB?
Again, DA was a lesser issue than the D has been, but he was a problem.
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Sev...
DA did a DECENT job last week...but the fact is he STILL blew up late in the game and on the final play.
It is indicative of DA that he just has that ONE MOMENT just about every game...and in his FIRST GAME with LIMITED PRACTICE, you cannot say that BQ had a melt-down at any point in this game. There just wasn't one.
So, while it wasn't all on DA...he had enough of a history of melting down to justify the move.
Listen, here is one stat that says it all:
25 STARTS
12 out of 25 starts DA had EITHER less than 50% completions or MULTIPLE INT's (or both)!!!
That is nearly 50% of his starts where he couldn't complete half his passes or threw 2+ INT's...and that just is NOT getting it done.
Now, was he the ONLY reason? No, but he sure wasn't helping!!!
We finally reached a point in this season where we HAD TO KNOW what we had in BQ so we could make informed decisions about the future of this team. And that meant DA had to be benched. Period.
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Sev...DA did a DECENT job last week...but the fact is he STILL blew up late in the game and on the final play.
It is indicative of DA that he just has that ONE MOMENT just about every game...and in his FIRST GAME with LIMITED PRACTICE, you cannot say that BQ had a melt-down at any point in this game. There just wasn't one.
So, while it wasn't all on DA...he had enough of a history of melting down to justify the move.
Listen, here is one stat that says it all:
25 STARTS
12 out of 25 starts DA had EITHER less than 50% completions or MULTIPLE INT's (or both)!!!
That is nearly 50% of his starts where he couldn't complete half his passes or threw 2+ INT's...and that just is NOT getting it done.
Now, was he the ONLY reason? No, but he sure wasn't helping!!!
We finally reached a point in this season where we HAD TO KNOW what we had in BQ so we could make informed decisions about the future of this team. And that meant DA had to be benched. Period.
But for the last 5 games....
That stat you put it up is exactly why DA was benched. As I have just said several times, DA wasn't the only problem for CLE, but he was one, and one that CLE at least had a chance to try and fix.
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Listen BQ had a decent game against a terrible defense. BQ had run support for once against a bad run defense and faced little pressure.
BQ had stallworth in the lineup and kw in the slot in a lot of one on one coverage against a db. He never went deep or over the top or even really midrange. He threw to kw basically and was bailed out like DA quite a few times. He made bad dirt passes and over the head with some extra heat.
Had that been DA this board would have crapped itself with the blame DA game and put in quinn. that is a fact.
DA threw 2 tds last week and possibly a third against a premier defense without stallworth in the lineup creating kw one on ones or relieving pressure from be. The run game was non existant. We were up by 13+ and again the same thing. end of the third and the 4th the other team came back and beat us.
Basically in a game to game comparison within the same week we as a team did exactly the same thing. DA had much less help against a better team and BQ had more help against a much worse defense for virtually the same result.
Fans can delude themselves and say this is BQ's franchise but it is far from over.
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Hey looks like I was wrong.Quinn started with better field position.
Quinn 34.4
DA 32.4
Woo hoo
BUT DA had 12 drives and only scored on 4, and we punted 6 times.
Where as Quinn only had 10 drives and scored on 6 of them and punted twice.
But I know...it was all the difference between the Baltimore defense and the Denver defense.
....Baltimore is ranked #2 on D and Denver is ranked #29 on D but I'm sure that had nothing to do with it.
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DA played well last weekHe cannot play well every week, that is the problem.
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Listen BQ had a decent game against a terrible defense. BQ had run support for once against a bad run defense and faced little pressure.This is not something DA hasn't had. And even in the BALT game, early on he had run support. CLE did hit the averages BALT gives up
BQ had stallworth in the lineup and kw in the slot in a lot of one on one coverage against a db. He never went deep or over the top or even really midrange. He threw to kw basically and was bailed out like DA quite a few times. He made bad dirt passes and over the head with some extra heat.
He did. But the bad passes were far and fewer than we have seen from DA. That was a team decision not to go deep, not BQ. There weren't plays there for it. Heck, it's even in one of the articles on the PD from players, including BE
Had that been DA this board would have crapped itself with the blame DA game and put in quinn. that is a fact.
That's a stretch. Depends on what DA did. If he did exactly what Quinn did, they you wouldn't. The closest you'd see is people complaining that more of the Good DA then Bad DA games will continue on for CLE. You obviously didn't read the board after the NYG game. Your exagerations and generalizations don't help your attempts to say you are about all the issues, and not just about DA.
DA threw 2 tds last week and possibly a third against a premier defense without stallworth in the lineup creating kw one on ones or relieving pressure from be. The run game was non existant. We were up by 13+ and again the same thing. end of the third and the 4th the other team came back and beat us.
One TD could have just as easily been a pick. The run game was existent. Not like against DEN though. And what did DA do when the game started to slip away? Folded like a deck of cards. As to having Stallworth, well, Quinn hit 8 dfferent targets. QBs make due with who is out there. Again, see NO, ATL, CHI, and a slew of other teams.
Basically in a game to game comparison within the same week we as a team did exactly the same thing. DA had much less help against a better team and BQ had more help against a much worse defense for virtually the same result.
At the same token, DA didn't help him self either last week. Guys can't make plays when you throw balls over their head and at their feet. It wasn't like there were any more drops last week than this. And you have to atleast question by BQ had more help. Guys made plays for him, which they stopped doing for DA about week 13 of last year.
Fans can delude themselves and say this is BQ's franchise but it is far from over.
Of course it is far from over, it was one game. But I saw more of the little things in that one game that you expect from the guy that is supposed to be a field general than I have ever seen from DA.
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Hey looks like I was wrong.Quinn started with better field position.
Quinn 34.4
DA 32.4
Woo hoo
BUT DA had 12 drives and only scored on 4, and we punted 6 times.
Where as Quinn only had 10 drives and scored on 6 of them and punted twice.
But I know...it was all the difference between the Baltimore defense and the Denver defense.
....Baltimore is ranked #2 on D and Denver is ranked #29 on D but I'm sure that had nothing to do with it.
It didn't hurt. But I have seen DA play like ass against bad D's. It's one game, but Quinn looked good, no matter how you turn it. We'll see how he looks on MNF against BUF
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The Best Thing Quinn did was Be ACCURATE ! Yes he missed on plays But 23-35 is a Good Job like 66% THAT Percentage will put him among the Best in the Game. Seldom has ANDERSON had that kind of Accuracy. Quinn LOOKS like an Athlete and seems to be a Leader... we will see. He is playing for Cleveland... so I am sure the Curse will find a way to derail him, enjoy it while it lasts !
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The Best Thing Quinn did was Be ACCURATE ! Yes he missed on plays But 23-35 is a Good Job like 66% THAT Percentage will put him among the Best in the Game. Seldom has ANDERSON had that kind of Accuracy. Quinn LOOKS like an Athlete and seems to be a Leader... we will see. He is playing for Cleveland... so I am sure the Curse will find a way to derail him, enjoy it while it lasts !I was with you until the last part.
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FIRST Brady played well. He was efficient and looked comfortable. He did throw high and low and miss. We did throw 3 times in the redzone to score and could not just like the game against Baltimore.Just like baltimore we scored 27+ points and were up by 10+ and in the end of the third and 4th quarter our defense melted down.
We ran well in the first half and we had stallworth. We also used Cribbs unlike in the Baltimore game we did not do any of those things.
We as a team duplicated the exact same game except against a MUCH WEAKER DEFENSE. Both qbs tossed 2 tds and missed on a redzone attempt. BQ had the advantage of better playcalling because we actually could rush and having stallworth along with Winslow lining up in the slot one on one against a number 3 db. Quinn did not see the pressure nor the exotic defenses the Raven have. So techinically DA had less to work with against a much better defense and put up good numbers with more working against him in personnel and team rushing help.
ITS NOT DA NOR THE QB POSITION. BQ did not stretch the field at all. Honestly I think DA probably would have put up more tds. Either way our TEAM has massive problems. This game back to back against a much weaker defense just showed us how bad our D was.
Yeah. Or DA would have completely shit the bed, just like he did agaisnt the crap Washington defense he face.
With Anderson you never know what you're going to get. And that's the problem.
You can't seem to understand this basic premise. READ the guys scouting report - it's JUST like it was coming out of college, only 4 years later.
Wait, why am I debating anything with you regarding our backup QB? Off to ignore with you.
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