Greedy Williams
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I also at no point said he wasn't good. I once again replied to the "why is he falling?" Question and the effort and avoiding contact are the why. I'm sorry you dont like it. I'm glad the steelers didn't draft him.
I also at no point said he wasn't good. I once again replied to the "why is he falling?" Question and the effort and avoiding contact are the why. I'm sorry you dont like it. I'm glad the steelers didn't draft him.
You may be glad that the Steelers didn't draft him.....but you may be sorry that the Browns did. I don't seen ANY of the Steelers WRs being able to do much against this guy....not Jujubee, not Washington...not Sidney Moncrief...no one. Maybe if by chance he has to cover a TE, that TE may be able to muscle a couple of catches on him.....but that is about it.
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So I'm trying to work on something of a write up for Greedy. But when watching the Georgia game I wanted to give highlight a glimpse of why taller, hip fluid CB's are all the rage in the NFL and why having this kid (provided things swing our way and he plays to the level he is capable) gives us two corners that allow us to matchup vs receivers in different ways.
@ 4:52 .... Skinny post to the top that ends up being a bit more sharp than usual but with great ball placement. Denzel is 5'10 and in off coverage. It's a TD.
@ 3:32
Same same except in a 2x2 with Georgia. Greedy is in a bit of a bail tech here, but he's able to get back inside on the post and deny what was a great throw and potential TD.
This is what having a tall athletic CB in your defense can bring to the table giving you a variety of deployment options and coverages. Granted these videos are between Williams/Rivers and Fromm/Ridley. But being that we just drafted Greedy, we can only go on similar things to what we've seen and then make hopeful projections.
So I'm trying to work on something of a write up for Greedy. But when watching the Georgia game I wanted to give highlight a glimpse of why taller, hip fluid CB's are all the rage in the NFL and why having this kid (provided things swing our way and he plays to the level he is capable) gives us two corners that allow us to matchup vs receivers in different ways.
@ 4:52 .... Skinny post to the top that ends up being a bit more sharp than usual but with great ball placement. Denzel is 5'10 and in off coverage. It's a TD.
@ 3:32
Same same except in a 2x2 with Georgia. Greedy is in a bit of a bail tech here, but he's able to get back inside on the post and deny what was a great throw and potential TD.
This is what having a tall athletic CB in your defense can bring to the table giving you a variety of deployment options and coverages. Granted these videos are between Williams/Rivers and Fromm/Ridley. But being that we just drafted Greedy, we can only go on similar things to what we've seen and then make hopeful projections.
In that whole video...I saw one pass completed againt Greedy......a very well executed comeback pattern. Otherwise they either just did NOT throw it against him....or he made a couple of very good breakups.
Maybe that is why he is accused of not tackling...he never has to. They never throw his way and the tackle has to be made far away from his position... or if they do, he breaks it up.
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OK , and there is this: The Browns supposedly took some really badass bangers when they got Takitaki, Redwine, and Wilson.
So getting a guy that can really cover receivers like a blanket seems to me to be a fair balance....even if he cannot hit like Butkus.
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OK , and there is this: The Browns supposedly took some really badass bangers when they got Takitaki, Redwine, and Wilson.
So getting a guy that can really cover receivers like a blanket seems to me to be a fair balance....even if he cannot hit like Butkus.
OK , and there is this: The Browns supposedly took some really badass bangers when they got Takitaki, Redwine, and Wilson.
So getting a guy that can really cover receivers like a blanket seems to me to be a fair balance....even if he cannot hit like Butkus.
I still have the A&M 7 OT win over LSU recorded. I'll take a look and see how Jimbo Fisher tried to deal with him. I keep thinking we stayed away from his side, but that is just vague in my memory of the game at the moment. Back to that later in the week.
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I also at no point said he wasn't good. I once again replied to the "why is he falling?" Question and the effort and avoiding contact are the why. I'm sorry you dont like it. I'm glad the steelers didn't draft him.
You may be glad that the Steelers didn't draft him.....but you may be sorry that the Browns did. I don't seen ANY of the Steelers WRs being able to do much against this guy....not Jujubee, not Washington...not Sidney Moncrief...no one. Maybe if by chance he has to cover a TE, that TE may be able to muscle a couple of catches on him.....but that is about it.
You may be glad that the Steelers didn't draft him.....but you may be sorry that the Browns did. I don't seen ANY of the Steelers WRs being able to do much against this guy....not Jujubee, not Washington...not Sidney Moncrief...no one. Maybe if by chance he has to cover a TE, that TE may be able to muscle a couple of catches on him.....but that is about it.
He's a fucking rookie gipper. He hasn't played a single nfl snap and here you are saying "I don't think any steeler wr will be able to do anything against him" oooooooooook.
The effort knock is not my opinion. It is the opinion of the scouts I read material from and part of the reason he fell to the second round.
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You may be glad that the Steelers didn't draft him.....but you may be sorry that the Browns did. I don't seen ANY of the Steelers WRs being able to do much against this guy....not Jujubee, not Washington...not Sidney Moncrief...no one. Maybe if by chance he has to cover a TE, that TE may be able to muscle a couple of catches on him.....but that is about it.
He's a fucking rookie gipper. He hasn't played a single nfl snap and here you are saying "I don't think any steeler wr will be able to do anything against him" oooooooooook.
The effort knock is not my opinion. It is the opinion of the scouts I read material from and part of the reason he fell to the second round.
He's a fucking rookie gipper. He hasn't played a single nfl snap and here you are saying "I don't think any steeler wr will be able to do anything against him" oooooooooook.
The effort knock is not my opinion. It is the opinion of the scouts I read material from and part of the reason he fell to the second round.
what scouts? super duper secret scouts? I'll bet the Browns' scouts didn't think he was a bad pick.
what do your "scouts" have on "serious character concerns" on Greedy anyways?
btw, let me say this:
On Greedy not being a "hitter, not liking contact? whatever. Another top cb was having the same thing said about him back in the day.
and he was skinny, too. 6'1", 198 lbs. I guess your "scouts" would have hated him, too.
https://www.rotoworld.com/football/nfl/player/315/deion-sanders
Pick 5 overall. very fast.
2× Super Bowl champion (XXIX, XXX)
8× Pro Bowl (1991–1994, 1996–1999)
8× First-team All-Pro (1991–1994, 1996–1999)
NFL Defensive Player of the Year (1994)
NFL 1990s All-Decade Team
Deion Sanders.
I'm not worried about him being skinny or "not liking contact" In a great, deep cb draft,
a lot of cb's were taken later than usual, partly because of the talent at DL in the first round.
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Go look at the statements on Patrick Peterson when he came out of school. "could be better"
I'm not worried at all.
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Greedy Williams Draft Predictions
Detroit Lions, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Detroit desperately needs to sure up its second cornerback position with the No. 8 overall pick in this year's draft. Last year saw four different cornerbacks play across from Darius Slay and inconsistencies at the position resulted in the Lions finishing tied for the second-fewest interceptions in the league last year with seven. Williams is a bonafide playmaker and should be able to wreak havoc on quarterbacks with his impressive closing speed. Look for the Lions to snag Williams if Tampa Bay doesn't take him first with the No. 7 overall pick. The Buccaneers have issues all over the defensive side of the ball and weren't far ahead of the Lions with only nine interceptions in 2018.
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You may be glad that the Steelers didn't draft him.....but you may be sorry that the Browns did. I don't seen ANY of the Steelers WRs being able to do much against this guy....not Jujubee, not Washington...not Sidney Moncrief...no one. Maybe if by chance he has to cover a TE, that TE may be able to muscle a couple of catches on him.....but that is about it.
He's a fucking rookie gipper. He hasn't played a single nfl snap and here you are saying "I don't think any steeler wr will be able to do anything against him" oooooooooook.
The effort knock is not my opinion. It is the opinion of the scouts I read material from and part of the reason he fell to the second round.
He's a fucking rookie gipper. He hasn't played a single nfl snap and here you are saying "I don't think any steeler wr will be able to do anything against him" oooooooooook.
The effort knock is not my opinion. It is the opinion of the scouts I read material from and part of the reason he fell to the second round.
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This is ridiculous.
Like John Dorsey would ever draft a player with character concerns.
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You may be glad that the Steelers didn't draft him.....but you may be sorry that the Browns did. I don't seen ANY of the Steelers WRs being able to do much against this guy....not Jujubee, not Washington...not Sidney Moncrief...no one. Maybe if by chance he has to cover a TE, that TE may be able to muscle a couple of catches on him.....but that is about it.
He's a fucking rookie gipper. He hasn't played a single nfl snap and here you are saying "I don't think any steeler wr will be able to do anything against him" oooooooooook.
The effort knock is not my opinion. It is the opinion of the scouts I read material from and part of the reason he fell to the second round.
He's a fucking rookie gipper. He hasn't played a single nfl snap and here you are saying "I don't think any steeler wr will be able to do anything against him" oooooooooook.
The effort knock is not my opinion. It is the opinion of the scouts I read material from and part of the reason he fell to the second round.
Didn’t fucking stutter. I don’t think any of your wide receivers can handle him. live with that fuck stick.
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He's a fucking rookie gipper. He hasn't played a single nfl snap and here you are saying "I don't think any steeler wr will be able to do anything against him" oooooooooook.
The effort knock is not my opinion. It is the opinion of the scouts I read material from and part of the reason he fell to the second round.
Didn’t fucking stutter. I don’t think any of your wide receivers can handle him. live with that fuck stick.
Didn’t fucking stutter. I don’t think any of your wide receivers can handle him. live with that fuck stick.
Because gipper said so lol. I will look forward to our hall of fame qb and our Corp challenging that claim this year.
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Dixon and Minnifield. / Williams and Ward
Slaughter, Langhorn Kosar/Beckam, Landry and Mayfield
Not to mention Olivier and Garret .. Paired with Oganjobi and Richardson...
The pairs we are coming up with are getting downright historic.. If I could speak to the players of this 2019 team I would tell them this.. Give us FIVE YEARS of your life. Put your head down and play your fucking heart out and you will be fucking LEGENDS for life.. How many 25 year olds can even be in that position.. Five years and a Super Bowl win somewhere in there, and they will go down in history.. What more motivation do you need?
Hell if they go 1-15 next year again, the 2018 season will still go down as one of the best in the new Browns era bar none. I am still re-watching games and highlights..
BobPound
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Didn’t fucking stutter. I don’t think any of your wide receivers can handle him. live with that fuck stick.
Because gipper said so lol. I will look forward to our hall of fame qb and our Corp challenging that claim this year.
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someone tell fagitron that the tackle concerns with greedy were about stopping RB's or TE's......not other wr's that caught tbe ball.
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someone tell fagitron that the tackle concerns with greedy were about stopping RB's or TE's......not other wr's that caught tbe ball.
someone tell fagitron that the tackle concerns with greedy were about stopping RB's or TE's......not other wr's that caught tbe ball.
Yep....the same concern they had about Darrelle Revis, Deion, Darrell Green, Richard Sherman, Champ Bailey
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someone tell fagitron that the tackle concerns with greedy were about stopping RB's or TE's......not other wr's that caught tbe ball.
Yep....the same concern they had about Darrelle Revis, Deion, Darrell Green, Richard Sherman, Champ Bailey
Yep....the same concern they had about Darrelle Revis, Deion, Darrell Green, Richard Sherman, Champ Bailey
in todays nfl with the rules the way they are, cb's are just not gonna be the 200+lb guided missiles they were inbthe 80's
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He says a lot of things. Perhaps he's attempting to start a rumor?
I looked this morning and couldn't find any mention of these concerns. As they say on the internets, show your proof or it didn't happen..
Check the date before you claim "bias"
https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/greedy-williams-doesnt-come-without-concerns
Just two mentions of the ten plus I could link. I never said greedy wasn't good. I did say he avoids contact like if he has any he might die. He gives up on plays and his tape didn't improve as the year went on. He isn't much different than Marcus Peter's who is also terrific in coverage but has bounced around the league up to this point. I'm also not jealous. I'd have been pissed off if the steelers drafted him and they didn't because he does not play the run. If the dude would tackle and play hard all the time he'd have gone inside the top ten easy.
Check the date before you claim "bias"
https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/greedy-williams-doesnt-come-without-concerns
Just two mentions of the ten plus I could link. I never said greedy wasn't good. I did say he avoids contact like if he has any he might die. He gives up on plays and his tape didn't improve as the year went on. He isn't much different than Marcus Peter's who is also terrific in coverage but has bounced around the league up to this point. I'm also not jealous. I'd have been pissed off if the steelers drafted him and they didn't because he does not play the run. If the dude would tackle and play hard all the time he'd have gone inside the top ten easy.
So he gave up on a few plays = character concerns? Get outta here with that crap. Character concerns are Joe Mixon or Tyreek Hill. So Williams got called for a dumb penalty at a bad time? I suppose us Browns fans think Mike Tomlin has character concerns after he tried to trip that guy. That one article you quoted compared him to Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, who didn't exactly suck. You can cherry pick any player's tape and find plays where he got beat, or was out of position.
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someone tell fagitron that the tackle concerns with greedy were about stopping RB's or TE's......not other wr's that caught tbe ball.
Yep....the same concern they had about Darrelle Revis, Deion, Darrell Green, Richard Sherman, Champ Bailey
Yep....the same concern they had about Darrelle Revis, Deion, Darrell Green, Richard Sherman, Champ Bailey
You can't coach sub 4.4 speed. I doubt Williams is going to have a Justin Gilbert attitude.
Maybe we should start looking up bad revues on Devin Bush? Have to be a few out there.
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I didn't go through all the posts, but I am surprised nobody mentioned to the Steeler fan boy that a big reason Greedy didn't tackle was because he had a shoulder injury.
So Vagitron, let's look through the positions and compare. And that inst to say Pitt cant or wont win the North, they certainly could, the Browns are still young and building.
QB- I'll give Pitt an edge at the moment, but not for the future
RB- Browns with the edge
WR- Browns certainly with the edge
OL- Steelers certainly
DL- Browns slightly
LB- Steelers at the moment
DB- Browns
ST- I'll give Pitt a slight edge
I can see in 2 years Steelers having an edge in 1 category (OL) and possibly 2.
No reason to come up with stuff to talk negatively about something non football related. I can certainly remember you defending Antonio for everything until he was gone
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