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    @tiamat63 said:

    I'm confused by your phrasing...?

    That said, this isn't free speech bottom line and there is seemingly this giant misconception as to what that is.   Facebook, like any entity, including this forum for that matter - reserves the right to remove whatever they wish.   Because the "speech" being listed is placed upon a private host that has certain conditions to what you may list on their medium.  A large corporation, to be sure.  Facebook, Twitter, IG, etc etc.  Far reaching and echoing.  But at the end of the day - a private entity not bound to "free speech".   Again, this forum is no different.  I can't say whatever I'd like because we have limits here and rightfully so.

    Free speech applies to government censorship and barring the ability to assemble as you wish.  

    Ergo, Tucker's argument is inherently flawed but that won't stop him from generating a base stirring narrative. 

    Tuckers argument is not inherently flawed (Carlson pointing out that conservative speech is being censored) but you are mincing words. Your definition of free speech is correct but whether you call it what it really is censorship (which does seem like an assault on free speech) or not Conservatives don't need to be stirred up by Carlson over the censorship of conservative speech by FB, Google and Twitter. It is there and it is real. I'm hoping their censorship will stir congress to act to break up their monopolies.

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    @oldbrownsfan said:

    Tuckers argument is not inherently flawed (Carlson pointing out that conservative speech is being censored) but you are mincing words. Your definition of free speech is correct but whether you call it what it really is censorship (which does seem like an assault on free speech) or not Conservatives don't need to be stirred up by Carlson over the censorship of conservative speech by FB, Google and Twitter. It is there and it is real. I'm hoping their censorship will stir congress to act to break up their monopolies.

    We are playing dangerously if we start breaking up social media companies because of their rules for their service (not a utility). Conservatives are free to start their own social media firm. 

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        LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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        I just hear whining and a lack of initiative. Gun owners got sick of YouTube's practices and started Full30.com. 

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          @westside-steve said:

          Not trying to give you crap but what does it look like to you, free speech, not the article oh, and the First Amendment?

          WSS

          I'm confused by your phrasing...?

          That said, this isn't free speech bottom line and there is seemingly this giant misconception as to what that is.   Facebook, like any entity, including this forum for that matter - reserves the right to remove whatever they wish.   Because the "speech" being listed is placed upon a private host that has certain conditions to what you may list on their medium.  A large corporation, to be sure.  Facebook, Twitter, IG, etc etc.  Far reaching and echoing.  But at the end of the day - a private entity not bound to "free speech".   Again, this forum is no different.  I can't say whatever I'd like because we have limits here and rightfully so.

          Free speech applies to government censorship and barring the ability to assemble as you wish.  

          Ergo, Tucker's argument is inherently flawed but that won't stop him from generating a base stirring narrative. 

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          @tiamat63 said:

          I'm confused by your phrasing...?

           sorry. It wasn't very clear was it?

          That said, this isn't free speech bottom line and there is seemingly this giant misconception as to what that is.   Facebook, like any entity, including this forum for that matter - reserves the right to remove whatever they wish.   Because the "speech" being listed is placed upon a private host that has certain conditions to what you may list on their medium.  A large corporation, to be sure.  Facebook, Twitter, IG, etc etc.  Far reaching and echoing.  But at the end of the day - a private entity not bound to "free speech".   Again, this forum is no different.  I can't say whatever I'd like because we have limits here and rightfully so.

          Free speech applies to government censorship and barring the ability to assemble as you wish.  

          I'm guessing the admendment grew out of English soldiers busting rolls for having seditious Rallies. We tend to forget everything they wrote was through the prism of the Revolutionary War. In a way that makes me believe that the letter of the law and the intent are blurred and I agree with Canton dogs later point if it were one of the protected species there would be a shitstorm.

          Ergo, Tucker's argument is inherently flawed but that won't stop him from generating a base stirring narrative. 

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            I just hear whining and a lack of initiative. Gun owners got sick of YouTube's practices and started Full30.com. 

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            @logicisforsquares said:

            I just hear whining and a lack of initiative. Gun owners got sick of YouTube's practices and started Full30.com. 

            and there you go. And can't nobody complain about what gets posted there. All of you that got ur kunts stretched out by the likes of fucking Zuckerberg and Dorsey (The twitter fag not our beloved buddy boy)...need to just stfu already. Start your own social media. Or just give up social media period....best answer. 

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              And steve….you of all people should not even be in this thread. You should be putting on a low brim hat and ducking your fat ass out the back door before anybody recognized you. 

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                And steve….you of all people should not even be in this thread. You should be putting on a low brim hat and ducking your fat ass out the back door before anybody recognized you. 

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                @clevfan4life said:

                And steve….you of all people should not even be in this thread. You should be putting on a low brim hat and ducking your fat ass out the back door before anybody recognized you. 

                 let me say this as respectfully as I can Cleve, go fuck yourself. There are Community standards on this board believe it or not and they are enforced more stringently on TBB than they are here but that doesn't mean they don't exist. And that doesn't mean if some members decide to be as obnoxious, abusive, vulgar and anti-social as posidle that they won't have their shit removed.

                 I think I was pretty fair in  asking everybody to try to keep it cool and as far as I can tell only one person has decided to ramp up his offensive behavior and that's you. Don't forget that one of the set reasons for warning points is simply being a douchebag. 

                 if you think somebody else here has been worse than (or even in the same vicinity as)  you feel free to let me know.

                 I have recently, just for the sake of fairness, deleted some posts from men who are far more intelligent and witty and much less universally despised than you.

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                  And steve….you of all people should not even be in this thread. You should be putting on a low brim hat and ducking your fat ass out the back door before anybody recognized you. 

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                  @clevfan4life said:

                  And steve….you of all people should not even be in this thread. You should be putting on a low brim hat and ducking your fat ass out the back door before anybody recognized you. 

                  Technically that sounds like flirting to me.  

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                    OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                    Conservatives Ponder Options to Counter Social Media Censorship

                    https://www.theepochtimes.com/conservatives-ponder-options-to-counter-social-media-censorship_2922174.html

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                      @oldbrownsfan said:

                      The answer to speech you do not like or agree with is not censorship but more speech.

                      And that's great, but if I go off on a tangent on this board that is Ghoolie-ish over a length period of time - what do you suppose is to happen?   Am I going to get a time out or will I just be allowed "more speech"...?   Exactly.

                      If these companies don't like what someone posts to their* medium... then they may do as they please.     Regardless if I agree with it or not.  

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                      OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                      @tiamat63 said:

                      And that's great, but if I go off on a tangent on this board that is Ghoolie-ish over a length period of time - what do you suppose is to happen?   Am I going to get a time out or will I just be allowed "more speech"...?   Exactly.

                      If these companies don't like what someone posts to their* medium... then they may do as they please.     Regardless if I agree with it or not.  

                      The "more speech" was referencing opposing speech and Ghoulie got lots of that. 

                      As to censorship of conservatives it is going on with Big Tech and I don't think too many would even deny it and conservatives need to fight back. The question is how? The above article I posted  lists some possible remedies.

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                        Conservatives Ponder Options to Counter Social Media Censorship

                        https://www.theepochtimes.com/conservatives-ponder-options-to-counter-social-media-censorship_2922174.html

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                        LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                        @oldbrownsfan said:

                        Conservatives Ponder Options to Counter Social Media Censorship

                        https://www.theepochtimes.com/conservatives-ponder-options-to-counter-social-media-censorship_2922174.html

                        Platform access as a civil right seems super hilarious from the folks who shit bricks about health care being a civil right because it is more or less stealing someone else's (a doctors) labor. This is no different. Conservatives just need to start their own social media outlets. Patrioteagletrumpbook is a good start.

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                          @oldbrownsfan said:

                          Conservatives Ponder Options to Counter Social Media Censorship

                          https://www.theepochtimes.com/conservatives-ponder-options-to-counter-social-media-censorship_2922174.html

                          Platform access as a civil right seems super hilarious from the folks who shit bricks about health care being a civil right because it is more or less stealing someone else's (a doctors) labor. This is no different. Conservatives just need to start their own social media outlets. Patrioteagletrumpbook is a good start.

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                          tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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                          @logicisforsquares said:

                          Platform access as a civil right seems super hilarious from the folks who shit bricks about health care being a civil right because it is more or less stealing someone else's (a doctors) labor. This is no different. Conservatives just need to start their own social media outlets. Patrioteagletrumpbook is a good start.

                          Bingo.  

                          If you want to list access to social media as a right, well, then we're about to get a lot of laughs about the other side of things that really matter.

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                            Just add an open chat section to Farmers Only and Christian Mingle

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                              OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                                @oldbrownsfan said:

                                LOL.  What a fucking dweeb.

                                This is equivalent to being trolled and insulted on here, then suing TBB.  

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                                  LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                                  @oldbrownsfan said:

                                  This guy just discover the internet? I hope he gets buried under trolls who know they can get a rise out of a public figure.

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                                    @oldbrownsfan said:

                                    LOL.  What a fucking dweeb.

                                    This is equivalent to being trolled and insulted on here, then suing TBB.  

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                                    LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                                    @tiamat63 said:

                                    LOL.  What a fucking dweeb.

                                    This is equivalent to being trolled and insulted on here, then suing TBB.  

                                    I bet he cried and begged kids not to call him a nerd....only to be called a nerd two seconds later.

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                                      @oldbrownsfan said:

                                      LOL.  What a fucking dweeb.

                                      This is equivalent to being trolled and insulted on here, then suing TBB.  

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                                      OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by OldBrownsFan
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                                      @tiamat63 said:

                                      LOL.  What a fucking dweeb.

                                      This is equivalent to being trolled and insulted on here, then suing TBB.  

                                      "This is equivalent to being trolled and insulted on here, then suing TBB"

                                      Quite a bit of difference between TBB and FB, Google and Twitter....this is not about trolling or insulting but censorship.

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                                        OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by OldBrownsFan
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                                        This would be a good first step:

                                        "Most industries have some form of regulatory body that protects consumers and assists with complaints. These ombudsmen cover everything from telcos, to banking and even the NHS, with an independent team assisting in processing consumer queries. So why shouldn’t we have a similar process with tech businesses?

                                        A watchdog would serve to scrutinise the powers of the big tech giants, adjust market power to allow competition to thrive, and demand greater transparency to build trust, resulting in a more positive online environment for all. We’ve seen that self-regulation hasn’t worked. A governing body that is able to implement suitable regulations that are sensible and fair would be the only solution to keep unfair practices in check."

                                        https://www.techradar.com/news/why-its-high-time-we-regulated-big-tech

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                                          @tiamat63 said:

                                          LOL.  What a fucking dweeb.

                                          This is equivalent to being trolled and insulted on here, then suing TBB.  

                                          "This is equivalent to being trolled and insulted on here, then suing TBB"

                                          Quite a bit of difference between TBB and FB, Google and Twitter....this is not about trolling or insulting but censorship.

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                                          @oldbrownsfan said:

                                          "This is equivalent to being trolled and insulted on here, then suing TBB"

                                          Quite a bit of difference between TBB and FB, Google and Twitter....this is not about trolling or insulting but censorship.

                                          yea - what I heard Nunes say was akin to getting punched and his arms are tied behind his back? 

                                          no voice because of his being shadowbanned -  but twitter has NO problem with the onslaught of biased responses...

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