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  • @the-gipper said:

    Well, your post implied that SOMEONE is suggesting that it is the Giants that got the better of the two bargains (and, apparently that being the case, that will extrapolate into the Giants being the better team this coming season)......and all I ask is who those someone are....and what are their arguments for their position. 

    You are just bickering for the sake of bickering.

    If he has a pro bowl season we win so far he hasn't shown me anything so there.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    You are just bickering for the sake of bickering.

    If he has a pro bowl season we win so far he hasn't shown me anything so there.

    WSS

    No, I am just asking for the answer to the question you implied:

    Who is stating that the Giants got the better end of these deals....and why do they claim that?   Was it Cowherd? or Someone else. And, again, what are his/their justification for their opinion?

    OBJ may not have shown YOU anything, because I know you don't really watch the NFL other than the Browns.  But anyone that has watched him a bit knows what he is fully capable of:   being perhaps the best WR in the NFL. 

    Sure....he has to now do it with the Browns....but it is still a fact that he is considered to be in that discussion:

    See this  (ranking going into last year)

    https://www.ranker.com/list/best-current-nfl-wide-receiver/ranker-sports

    He is in the top 5....along with Julio Jones, DeAndre Hopkins, Michael Thomas, and Antonio Brown.  They put him at #5, but just as easily I think could have been #1.

    So, who gets the better bargain:  getting him....or getting the #17 draft pick and Jabril Peppers?

  • @westside-steve said:

    You are just bickering for the sake of bickering.

    If he has a pro bowl season we win so far he hasn't shown me anything so there.

    WSS

    No, I am just asking for the answer to the question you implied:

    Who is stating that the Giants got the better end of these deals....and why do they claim that?   Was it Cowherd? or Someone else. And, again, what are his/their justification for their opinion?

    OBJ may not have shown YOU anything, because I know you don't really watch the NFL other than the Browns.  But anyone that has watched him a bit knows what he is fully capable of:   being perhaps the best WR in the NFL. 

    Sure....he has to now do it with the Browns....but it is still a fact that he is considered to be in that discussion:

    See this  (ranking going into last year)

    https://www.ranker.com/list/best-current-nfl-wide-receiver/ranker-sports

    He is in the top 5....along with Julio Jones, DeAndre Hopkins, Michael Thomas, and Antonio Brown.  They put him at #5, but just as easily I think could have been #1.

    So, who gets the better bargain:  getting him....or getting the #17 draft pick and Jabril Peppers?

    @the-gipper said:

    No, I am just asking for the answer to the question you implied:

    Who is stating that the Giants got the better end of these deals....and why do they claim that?   Was it Cowherd? or Someone else. And, again, what are his/their justification for their opinion?

    OBJ may not have shown YOU anything, because I know you don't really watch the NFL other than the Browns.  But anyone that has watched him a bit knows what he is fully capable of:   being perhaps the best WR in the NFL. 

    Sure....he has to now do it with the Browns....but it is still a fact that he is considered to be in that discussion:

    See this  (ranking going into last year)

    https://www.ranker.com/list/best-current-nfl-wide-receiver/ranker-sports

    He is in the top 5....along with Julio Jones, DeAndre Hopkins, Michael Thomas, and Antonio Brown.  They put him at #5, but just as easily I think could have been #1.

    So, who gets the better bargain:  getting him....or getting the #17 draft pick and Jabril Peppers?

    I’m sure this is all Googleable if all you want to know is who made what argument. The internet is quite full of people and their opinions.  

  • in no reality, ever, anywhere, is the worth of a RG anywhere near a pass rusher.  

    seriously...a right frickin guard

  • @the-gipper said:

    No, I am just asking for the answer to the question you implied:

    Who is stating that the Giants got the better end of these deals....and why do they claim that?   Was it Cowherd? or Someone else. And, again, what are his/their justification for their opinion?

    OBJ may not have shown YOU anything, because I know you don't really watch the NFL other than the Browns.  But anyone that has watched him a bit knows what he is fully capable of:   being perhaps the best WR in the NFL. 

    Sure....he has to now do it with the Browns....but it is still a fact that he is considered to be in that discussion:

    See this  (ranking going into last year)

    https://www.ranker.com/list/best-current-nfl-wide-receiver/ranker-sports

    He is in the top 5....along with Julio Jones, DeAndre Hopkins, Michael Thomas, and Antonio Brown.  They put him at #5, but just as easily I think could have been #1.

    So, who gets the better bargain:  getting him....or getting the #17 draft pick and Jabril Peppers?

    I’m sure this is all Googleable if all you want to know is who made what argument. The internet is quite full of people and their opinions.  

    @ibleedbrown said:

    I’m sure this is all Googleable if all you want to know is who made what argument. The internet is quite full of people and their opinions.  

    Well then, whomever made the assertion should do the googling and put the data that supported their assertion.

  • in no reality, ever, anywhere, is the worth of a RG anywhere near a pass rusher.  

    seriously...a right frickin guard

    @choco said:

    in no reality, ever, anywhere, is the worth of a RG anywhere near a pass rusher.  

    seriously...a right frickin guard

    Not even the league's best RG vs. its worst Edge rusher???

    C'mon man....

  • Vernon is the worst pass rusher?

    Just meant positional value. We upgraded a significantly more important position. 

  • Vernon is the worst pass rusher?

    Just meant positional value. We upgraded a significantly more important position. 

    @choco said:

    Vernon is the worst pass rusher?

    Just meant positional value. We upgraded a significantly more important position. 

    You gotta admit that you said "no reality, ever", which sounds like "every scenario". Tour wasn't referring to the case in hand. 

    Also, that can be quite disputable anyway, with the importance that interior pass rush has gotten over edge rush lately, thus guards becoming more important than tackles in the eyes of many people. 

  • If one has to go to an extreme to prove a point, the points not very good. 

  • If one has to go to an extreme to prove a point, the points not very good. 

    @choco said:

    If one has to go to an extreme to prove a point, the points not very good. 

    But it  could be very sharp....and isn't that the point?

  • @choco said:

    If one has to go to an extreme to prove a point, the points not very good. 

    But it  could be very sharp....and isn't that the point?

    @the-gipper said:

    But it  could be very sharp....and isn't that the point?

    More words, less impact

  • @the-gipper said:

    But it  could be very sharp....and isn't that the point?

    More words, less impact

    @choco said:

    More words, less impact

    Stick em with the pointy end

  • If one has to go to an extreme to prove a point, the points not very good. 

    @choco said:

    If one has to go to an extreme to prove a point, the points not very good. 

    Then why did you go there?

  • @trophyhill said:

    By that reasoning, maybe Hue should still be here then? I don't care if they "didn't quit".......they we're all a bunch of stiffs who would not have been starters on most other teams. To them I say don't let the door hit ya in the azz 😉

    u know we let some good players go csuse of cap space right? 

    @clevfan4life said:

    u know we let some good players go csuse of cap space right? 

    Funny, I can't remember their names. If I can't remember their names, it's out with the old, in with the new 😉

  • Terelle Pryor signed 1-year deal with JAX today.

    Something like his 6th team...

  • @choco said:

    Vernon is the worst pass rusher?

    Just meant positional value. We upgraded a significantly more important position. 

    You gotta admit that you said "no reality, ever", which sounds like "every scenario". Tour wasn't referring to the case in hand. 

    Also, that can be quite disputable anyway, with the importance that interior pass rush has gotten over edge rush lately, thus guards becoming more important than tackles in the eyes of many people. 

    @nero said:

    You gotta admit that you said "no reality, ever", which sounds like "every scenario". Tour wasn't referring to the case in hand. 

    Also, that can be quite disputable anyway, with the importance that interior pass rush has gotten over edge rush lately, thus guards becoming more important than tackles in the eyes of many people. 

    Hi Nero, just back from Spain. Pinchos, what a great idea! Those ham croquettes ?

    As for the cup final, less said the better ?

    apologies for going off topic 

  • @nero said:

    You gotta admit that you said "no reality, ever", which sounds like "every scenario". Tour wasn't referring to the case in hand. 

    Also, that can be quite disputable anyway, with the importance that interior pass rush has gotten over edge rush lately, thus guards becoming more important than tackles in the eyes of many people. 

    Hi Nero, just back from Spain. Pinchos, what a great idea! Those ham croquettes ?

    As for the cup final, less said the better ?

    apologies for going off topic 

    @londonbrown said:

    Hi Nero, just back from Spain. Pinchos, what a great idea! Those ham croquettes ?

    As for the cup final, less said the better ?

    apologies for going off topic 

    I will say it....my team (if I have a team)....that is, Liverpool  2  Tottenham  0. 😛

    Nice to hear from you.

  • @nero said:

    You gotta admit that you said "no reality, ever", which sounds like "every scenario". Tour wasn't referring to the case in hand. 

    Also, that can be quite disputable anyway, with the importance that interior pass rush has gotten over edge rush lately, thus guards becoming more important than tackles in the eyes of many people. 

    Hi Nero, just back from Spain. Pinchos, what a great idea! Those ham croquettes ?

    As for the cup final, less said the better ?

    apologies for going off topic 

    @londonbrown said:

    Hi Nero, just back from Spain. Pinchos, what a great idea! Those ham croquettes ?

    As for the cup final, less said the better ?

    apologies for going off topic 

    I thought of you when watching the outcome of the final!

    Ham croquettes are a classic, you can have them almost anywhere in Spain. Where have you been to? 

    Nice to see you 😉

  • @londonbrown said:

    Hi Nero, just back from Spain. Pinchos, what a great idea! Those ham croquettes ?

    As for the cup final, less said the better ?

    apologies for going off topic 

    I thought of you when watching the outcome of the final!

    Ham croquettes are a classic, you can have them almost anywhere in Spain. Where have you been to? 

    Nice to see you 😉

    @nero said:

    I thought of you when watching the outcome of the final!

    Ham croquettes are a classic, you can have them almost anywhere in Spain. Where have you been to? 

    Nice to see you 😉

    Went to Alicante, Torrevieja and Madrid. 

    Hoping for another holiday over there in September. 

  • @londonbrown said:

    Hi Nero, just back from Spain. Pinchos, what a great idea! Those ham croquettes ?

    As for the cup final, less said the better ?

    apologies for going off topic 

    I will say it....my team (if I have a team)....that is, Liverpool  2  Tottenham  0. 😛

    Nice to hear from you.

    @the-gipper said:

    I will say it....my team (if I have a team)....that is, Liverpool  2  Tottenham  0. 😛

    Nice to hear from you.

    Haha Gip well I guess I better say congratulations ?

  • @nero said:

    I thought of you when watching the outcome of the final!

    Ham croquettes are a classic, you can have them almost anywhere in Spain. Where have you been to? 

    Nice to see you 😉

    Went to Alicante, Torrevieja and Madrid. 

    Hoping for another holiday over there in September. 

    @londonbrown said:

    Went to Alicante, Torrevieja and Madrid. 

    Hoping for another holiday over there in September. 

    Sweet! If you are coming to Northern Spain, we could work something out  😉