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    C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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    they were all over highland hills golf course last week. I thought they were ducks when i saw em movin out of the corner of my eye.....but tgen my nephew said look at all those wild turkeys. Have to admit ive never seen em out and about before. Are they real prevalent in cleveland and surroinding areas?

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      @westside-steve said:

      They shouldn't my friend but they will. Politicians are chickenshit even the ones that don't believe gun control. The slippery slope started a long time ago. How many times do you hear the question do you want your neighbor to have a bazooka? And if it's perfectly constitutional to limit the amount of rounds you can have in a magazine why not make it 5, three or even one? When it's constitutional too ban a semi automatic 22 rifle because it has an aluminum stock instead of Walnut? Just saying bud.

      WSS

      Those restrictions aren’t federal law currently. Sitting idly by and just giving in to it now helps nothing. The NRA is worthless because they are a slush fund for a political party. However, there are gun orgs out there filing lawsuits on behalf of gun owners and their rights. Slowing the pace may be all gun owners have but that is better than willfully joining in on the game. If I find out I have cancer, I will try to make the most of my days and not put my head in a noose.

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      OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by OldBrownsFan
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      @logicisforsquares said:

      Those restrictions aren’t federal law currently. Sitting idly by and just giving in to it now helps nothing. The NRA is worthless because they are a slush fund for a political party. However, there are gun orgs out there filing lawsuits on behalf of gun owners and their rights. Slowing the pace may be all gun owners have but that is better than willfully joining in on the game. If I find out I have cancer, I will try to make the most of my days and not put my head in a noose.

      The NRA is wise to get into politics to try and help financially those who are pro second amendment get elected. Planned Parenthood donates lots of money to help pro abortion candidates win. That is the reality. The biggest problem I have with the NRA now is Ollie North showed they need to clean house because of the extravagant spending on things such as LaPierre's wardrobe. Instead of cleaning house they closed ranks behind LaPierre. I'm not an NRA member (although I have thought about joining) but until they clean house I can't support them.

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        @logicisforsquares said:

        Those restrictions aren’t federal law currently. Sitting idly by and just giving in to it now helps nothing. The NRA is worthless because they are a slush fund for a political party. However, there are gun orgs out there filing lawsuits on behalf of gun owners and their rights. Slowing the pace may be all gun owners have but that is better than willfully joining in on the game. If I find out I have cancer, I will try to make the most of my days and not put my head in a noose.

        The NRA is wise to get into politics to try and help financially those who are pro second amendment get elected. Planned Parenthood donates lots of money to help pro abortion candidates win. That is the reality. The biggest problem I have with the NRA now is Ollie North showed they need to clean house because of the extravagant spending on things such as LaPierre's wardrobe. Instead of cleaning house they closed ranks behind LaPierre. I'm not an NRA member (although I have thought about joining) but until they clean house I can't support them.

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        LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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        @oldbrownsfan said:

        The NRA is wise to get into politics to try and help financially those who are pro second amendment get elected. Planned Parenthood donates lots of money to help pro abortion candidates win. That is the reality. The biggest problem I have with the NRA now is Ollie North showed they need to clean house because of the extravagant spending on things such as LaPierre's wardrobe. Instead of cleaning house they closed ranks behind LaPierre. I'm not an NRA member (although I have thought about joining) but until they clean house I can't support them.

        The sitting on the hands that occurs when a Republican is in office is what makes me not like the NRA. I was a member but I never bought a lifetime membership knowing something like this could happen. LaPierre being a money grubbing turd is no surprise. He is a political hack.

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          LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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          https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-banning-gun-silencers/story?id=63502902

          And it fucking begins.

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            LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by LogicIsForSquares
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            A life long NY dem duped a bunch of people into believing he is some 2A champ.

            Can someone talk Kim Kardashian into being pro 2A? She seems to have a lot of pull.

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              C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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              Trumpy is making a mistake with the "silencers", a misnomer. I don't believe he will go for it - I want one or two.

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                Trumpy is making a mistake with the "silencers", a misnomer. I don't believe he will go for it - I want one or two.

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                LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                @calfoxwc said:

                Trumpy is making a mistake with the "silencers", a misnomer. I don't believe he will go for it - I want one or two.

                He had the exact same talk in the media about bumpstocks as well. We know the NRA won’t do anything.

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                  NRA canvasser called me at 8 am this morning to talk about the NRA and how it needed me to donate etc etc.

                  She got an earful.

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                    NRA canvasser called me at 8 am this morning to talk about the NRA and how it needed me to donate etc etc.

                    She got an earful.

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                    @calfoxwc said:

                    NRA canvasser called me at 8 am this morning to talk about the NRA and how it needed me to donate etc etc.

                    She got an earful.

                    They don’t let up unless you give them hell over the phone haha.

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                      A life long NY dem duped a bunch of people into believing he is some 2A champ.

                      Can someone talk Kim Kardashian into being pro 2A? She seems to have a lot of pull.

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                      OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                      @logicisforsquares said:

                      A life long NY dem duped a bunch of people into believing he is some 2A champ.

                      Can someone talk Kim Kardashian into being pro 2A? She seems to have a lot of pull.

                      Not that it makes it any better but Trump was not a life long dem he was a republican, then a dem, then an independent and back to a republican. I don't believe Trump was ever a 2a champion as he supported the (so called) assault rifle ban in the 90's. Also there was those cringe worthy statements he made just last year about taking away guns without due process. I noticed though after making those comments about suspending due process he never said that again. I have no evidence to prove it but I believe someone at the NRA let him know that was a terrible idea and he backed off it. It will be interesting to see if that doesn't happen again with his off the cuff remarks about banning gun suppressors. I don't see the NRA caving on this and Trump is going to want the NRA's support in 2020. I could be wrong but I don't see this going anywhere.

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                        A win for those of us with Concealed Carry or like here in Texas a License to Carry whether concealed or open. Word to the wise anyway though. If stopped for any reason it is best to show (or tell of so they don't shoot you for reaching) the license right up front so there can be no mistake made. Eventually this may go through the Supreme Court to verify you keep all your rights if you have a CC or LTC license.

                        https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/06/a-win-for-gun-rights-in-pennsylvania/

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                          @logicisforsquares said:

                          A life long NY dem duped a bunch of people into believing he is some 2A champ.

                          Can someone talk Kim Kardashian into being pro 2A? She seems to have a lot of pull.

                          Not that it makes it any better but Trump was not a life long dem he was a republican, then a dem, then an independent and back to a republican. I don't believe Trump was ever a 2a champion as he supported the (so called) assault rifle ban in the 90's. Also there was those cringe worthy statements he made just last year about taking away guns without due process. I noticed though after making those comments about suspending due process he never said that again. I have no evidence to prove it but I believe someone at the NRA let him know that was a terrible idea and he backed off it. It will be interesting to see if that doesn't happen again with his off the cuff remarks about banning gun suppressors. I don't see the NRA caving on this and Trump is going to want the NRA's support in 2020. I could be wrong but I don't see this going anywhere.

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                          @oldbrownsfan said:

                          Not that it makes it any better but Trump was not a life long dem he was a republican, then a dem, then an independent and back to a republican. I don't believe Trump was ever a 2a champion as he supported the (so called) assault rifle ban in the 90's. Also there was those cringe worthy statements he made just last year about taking away guns without due process. I noticed though after making those comments about suspending due process he never said that again. I have no evidence to prove it but I believe someone at the NRA let him know that was a terrible idea and he backed off it. It will be interesting to see if that doesn't happen again with his off the cuff remarks about banning gun suppressors. I don't see the NRA caving on this and Trump is going to want the NRA's support in 2020. I could be wrong but I don't see this going anywhere.

                          Bumpstocks weren’t given 2A protections and were banned by EO. What would lead you to believe that suppressors wouldn’t get the same treatment? To this point, Trump and the NRA while he has been in office have not given any indication that they are for protecting 2A rights. If this was going on under Dems, all hell would be breaking loose.

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                            The NRA and Trump have had a good relationship and that is good for the second amendment. The last thing I would want to see happen is Trump working with the democrats on gun issues. Personally I think the NRA didn't fight Trump over bumpstocks because they want to keep that good relationship and bumpstocks weren't the hill to die on so they didn't fight him on it. Suppressors aren't bumpstocks and I don't think the NRA will go along with Trump this time if he does try to do an EO banning gun suppressors. Because of the politics I don't think Trump wants a rift with the NRA either right before 2020 as he wants their support. I think Trump just made an off the cuff comment but if he does follow through with banning gun suppressors I would bet the NRA would not go along with it. 

                            https://www.nrafamily.org/articles/2018/2/7/how-to-buy-a-suppressor/

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                              The NRA and Trump have had a good relationship and that is good for the second amendment. The last thing I would want to see happen is Trump working with the democrats on gun issues. Personally I think the NRA didn't fight Trump over bumpstocks because they want to keep that good relationship and bumpstocks weren't the hill to die on so they didn't fight him on it. Suppressors aren't bumpstocks and I don't think the NRA will go along with Trump this time if he does try to do an EO banning gun suppressors. Because of the politics I don't think Trump wants a rift with the NRA either right before 2020 as he wants their support. I think Trump just made an off the cuff comment but if he does follow through with banning gun suppressors I would bet the NRA would not go along with it. 

                              https://www.nrafamily.org/articles/2018/2/7/how-to-buy-a-suppressor/

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                              @oldbrownsfan said:

                              The NRA and Trump have had a good relationship and that is good for the second amendment. The last thing I would want to see happen is Trump working with the democrats on gun issues. Personally I think the NRA didn't fight Trump over bumpstocks because they want to keep that good relationship and bumpstocks weren't the hill to die on so they didn't fight him on it. Suppressors aren't bumpstocks and I don't think the NRA will go along with Trump this time if he does try to do an EO banning gun suppressors. Because of the politics I don't think Trump wants a rift with the NRA either right before 2020 as he wants their support. I think Trump just made an off the cuff comment but if he does follow through with banning gun suppressors I would bet the NRA would not go along with it. 

                              https://www.nrafamily.org/articles/2018/2/7/how-to-buy-a-suppressor/

                              He made a comment then followed through and elaborated on a morning show in the UK.

                              The NRA giving on bumpstocks is a great look for an org that shouted “shall not be infringed” for 8 years. A Dem in office will likely make the NRA do their job again. When an R sits beside the title, they lick the boots. 

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                                The NRA and Trump have had a good relationship and that is good for the second amendment. The last thing I would want to see happen is Trump working with the democrats on gun issues. Personally I think the NRA didn't fight Trump over bumpstocks because they want to keep that good relationship and bumpstocks weren't the hill to die on so they didn't fight him on it. Suppressors aren't bumpstocks and I don't think the NRA will go along with Trump this time if he does try to do an EO banning gun suppressors. Because of the politics I don't think Trump wants a rift with the NRA either right before 2020 as he wants their support. I think Trump just made an off the cuff comment but if he does follow through with banning gun suppressors I would bet the NRA would not go along with it. 

                                https://www.nrafamily.org/articles/2018/2/7/how-to-buy-a-suppressor/

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                                @oldbrownsfan said:

                                The NRA and Trump have had a good relationship and that is good for the second amendment. The last thing I would want to see happen is Trump working with the democrats on gun issues. Personally I think the NRA didn't fight Trump over bumpstocks because they want to keep that good relationship and bumpstocks weren't the hill to die on so they didn't fight him on it. Suppressors aren't bumpstocks and I don't think the NRA will go along with Trump this time if he does try to do an EO banning gun suppressors. Because of the politics I don't think Trump wants a rift with the NRA either right before 2020 as he wants their support. I think Trump just made an off the cuff comment but if he does follow through with banning gun suppressors I would bet the NRA would not go along with it. 

                                https://www.nrafamily.org/articles/2018/2/7/how-to-buy-a-suppressor/

                                I really didn't have a problem with bumpstocks since automatic weapons came off the table some time ago (National Firearms Act of 1934) with a few very hard to meet exceptions. Actually that law concerned suppressors as well. 

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                                  @oldbrownsfan said:

                                  The NRA and Trump have had a good relationship and that is good for the second amendment. The last thing I would want to see happen is Trump working with the democrats on gun issues. Personally I think the NRA didn't fight Trump over bumpstocks because they want to keep that good relationship and bumpstocks weren't the hill to die on so they didn't fight him on it. Suppressors aren't bumpstocks and I don't think the NRA will go along with Trump this time if he does try to do an EO banning gun suppressors. Because of the politics I don't think Trump wants a rift with the NRA either right before 2020 as he wants their support. I think Trump just made an off the cuff comment but if he does follow through with banning gun suppressors I would bet the NRA would not go along with it. 

                                  https://www.nrafamily.org/articles/2018/2/7/how-to-buy-a-suppressor/

                                  I really didn't have a problem with bumpstocks since automatic weapons came off the table some time ago (National Firearms Act of 1934) with a few very hard to meet exceptions. Actually that law concerned suppressors as well. 

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                                  @texasag1969 said:

                                  I really didn't have a problem with bumpstocks since automatic weapons came off the table some time ago (National Firearms Act of 1934) with a few very hard to meet exceptions. Actually that law concerned suppressors as well. 

                                  I was not a supporter of bumpstocks. I would have rather seen the sale and mfg of them made illegal though instead of the confiscation route where law abiding citizens who bought them legally are now criminals if they don't turn them in. Gun suppressors are already heavily regulated and there are valid reasons for a gun owner to want one. The only reason I can see that a person would want bumpstocks is for their semi automatic to mimic an automatic. 

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                                    @oldbrownsfan said:

                                    The NRA and Trump have had a good relationship and that is good for the second amendment. The last thing I would want to see happen is Trump working with the democrats on gun issues. Personally I think the NRA didn't fight Trump over bumpstocks because they want to keep that good relationship and bumpstocks weren't the hill to die on so they didn't fight him on it. Suppressors aren't bumpstocks and I don't think the NRA will go along with Trump this time if he does try to do an EO banning gun suppressors. Because of the politics I don't think Trump wants a rift with the NRA either right before 2020 as he wants their support. I think Trump just made an off the cuff comment but if he does follow through with banning gun suppressors I would bet the NRA would not go along with it. 

                                    https://www.nrafamily.org/articles/2018/2/7/how-to-buy-a-suppressor/

                                    He made a comment then followed through and elaborated on a morning show in the UK.

                                    The NRA giving on bumpstocks is a great look for an org that shouted “shall not be infringed” for 8 years. A Dem in office will likely make the NRA do their job again. When an R sits beside the title, they lick the boots. 

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                                    OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by OldBrownsFan
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                                    @logicisforsquares said:

                                    He made a comment then followed through and elaborated on a morning show in the UK.

                                    The NRA giving on bumpstocks is a great look for an org that shouted “shall not be infringed” for 8 years. A Dem in office will likely make the NRA do their job again. When an R sits beside the title, they lick the boots. 

                                    The dems have swung so far to the left I cringe at the thought of them back in power with all three branches of government but realistically it will happen sometime and maybe as soon as 2020.  We are too far out right now from 2020 to take polls seriously but it is troubling to see Trump doing so poorly in the polls especially with having a great economy. I have no faith in the voters. 

                                    https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/tx/tx06052019_tgye56.pdf/

                                    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2019/06/05/biden-sanders-democrats-lead-trump-michigan-poll/1330277001/

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                                      eh...all th polls had higgardly winning by a landslide. Not worried at all. But our country is being torn apart by the left, they

                                      have to be stopped, starting with the House. It's sick that they could have owned the Supreme Court.

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                                        eh...all th polls had higgardly winning by a landslide. Not worried at all. But our country is being torn apart by the left, they

                                        have to be stopped, starting with the House. It's sick that they could have owned the Supreme Court.

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                                        @calfoxwc said:

                                        eh...all th polls had higgardly winning by a landslide. Not worried at all. But our country is being torn apart by the left, they

                                        have to be stopped, starting with the House. It's sick that they could have owned the Supreme Court.

                                        I know I am on the far right end of the scale and I don't have a pulse on where middle America is at today and they will be deciding the next election so I am concerned. It just seems with the economy doing so much better today than at any time during Obama's 8 years Trump should be doing better in these polls. Trump won comfortably by the electoral college margin but lost decisively by the popular vote and it was really a small number of votes in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin that carried him. 

                                        I have to believe Biden (who carries a ton of baggage himself) is only riding so high now because he hasn't faced a lot of scrutiny yet and it seems like that is deliberate on his part for now to keep a low profile.

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                                          Well just have to wait and see I guess.  Hopefully a moderate Democrat wins there nomination and not some far left scum sucker.

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