Jags trade theorhetical
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Jags have a ton of jags at RB IMO. While Duke isn’t a superstar he’s better than everyone except for Fournette. Fournette is not very good and he’s not a team guy. He’s getting the boot soon.
I think you might be overvaluing Duke. If its just your opinion that Duke has more talent than the others, that is different. But Jags have 2 other backs who have shown to play at a higher level than Duke, Yeldon and Rawls.
If I were the Jags, with the presented trade offer of Duke, 2020 1st rounder and one of the DBs on the team, it would only make sense if that DB was Ward. If not, I get a 3rd string back, a low 1st round pick (who couldn't be relied upon to be as good as Jalen) and make my team worse on what we hang our hat on, defense.
I think you might be overvaluing Duke. If its just your opinion that Duke has more talent than the others, that is different. But Jags have 2 other backs who have shown to play at a higher level than Duke, Yeldon and Rawls.
If I were the Jags, with the presented trade offer of Duke, 2020 1st rounder and one of the DBs on the team, it would only make sense if that DB was Ward. If not, I get a 3rd string back, a low 1st round pick (who couldn't be relied upon to be as good as Jalen) and make my team worse on what we hang our hat on, defense.
Rawls has proven to be very inconsistent in what he offers. In my trade Duke and one of our lesser DB's are just addons to the 2020 first rounder.
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I think you might be overvaluing Duke. If its just your opinion that Duke has more talent than the others, that is different. But Jags have 2 other backs who have shown to play at a higher level than Duke, Yeldon and Rawls.
If I were the Jags, with the presented trade offer of Duke, 2020 1st rounder and one of the DBs on the team, it would only make sense if that DB was Ward. If not, I get a 3rd string back, a low 1st round pick (who couldn't be relied upon to be as good as Jalen) and make my team worse on what we hang our hat on, defense.
Rawls has proven to be very inconsistent in what he offers. In my trade Duke and one of our lesser DB's are just addons to the 2020 first rounder.
Rawls has proven to be very inconsistent in what he offers. In my trade Duke and one of our lesser DB's are just addons to the 2020 first rounder.
I'm not questioning that part, but if you are the Jags do you accept that? Or look at it another way, would you trade Ward for Rawls, a DB not named Ramsey or Bouye and what will more than likely be a late 1st round pick?
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Rawls has proven to be very inconsistent in what he offers. In my trade Duke and one of our lesser DB's are just addons to the 2020 first rounder.
I'm not questioning that part, but if you are the Jags do you accept that? Or look at it another way, would you trade Ward for Rawls, a DB not named Ramsey or Bouye and what will more than likely be a late 1st round pick?
I'm not questioning that part, but if you are the Jags do you accept that? Or look at it another way, would you trade Ward for Rawls, a DB not named Ramsey or Bouye and what will more than likely be a late 1st round pick?
Based on their current situation I think they might.
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I think you might be overvaluing Duke. If its just your opinion that Duke has more talent than the others, that is different. But Jags have 2 other backs who have shown to play at a higher level than Duke, Yeldon and Rawls.
If I were the Jags, with the presented trade offer of Duke, 2020 1st rounder and one of the DBs on the team, it would only make sense if that DB was Ward. If not, I get a 3rd string back, a low 1st round pick (who couldn't be relied upon to be as good as Jalen) and make my team worse on what we hang our hat on, defense.
Rawls has proven to be very inconsistent in what he offers. In my trade Duke and one of our lesser DB's are just addons to the 2020 first rounder.
Rawls has proven to be very inconsistent in what he offers. In my trade Duke and one of our lesser DB's are just addons to the 2020 first rounder.
You're positing a trade that's never going to happen. We could use a DB like Ramsey, but it would kill any remaining cap space. And we don't need Fournett. Chubb + Hunt we're set at RB.
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Rawls has proven to be very inconsistent in what he offers. In my trade Duke and one of our lesser DB's are just addons to the 2020 first rounder.
You're positing a trade that's never going to happen. We could use a DB like Ramsey, but it would kill any remaining cap space. And we don't need Fournett. Chubb + Hunt we're set at RB.
You're positing a trade that's never going to happen. We could use a DB like Ramsey, but it would kill any remaining cap space. And we don't need Fournett. Chubb + Hunt we're set at RB.
Likely right, note however my trade had nothing related to us getting Fournette. I believe at some point the Jags move on from him period.
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Based on their current situation I think they might.
I very strongly disagree. Remember, with more evidence from a AFC championship game, they were one of the teams talked about like Browns are this season. And they obviously didn't sign Foles to that big contract with expectations of rebuilding.
Here is what I see, asking if it were the other way around if you/Browns would do it.
Browns get Ramsey (let's assume Browns make playoffs and lose in Wild Card round, thus highest possible pick for Jax)
Jax: Duke Johnson, Carrie, 21st pick in 2020 draft for Jalen Ramsey, 24 years old and 2x pro bowler with all 3 years of 16 starts
Or if its flipped, assume Jax barely finished like Browns last year.
Cleveland gets Thomas Rawls or Yeldon, Cody Brown, and 17th pick in 2020 draft for Denzel Ward, 22 years old (in 2 weeks) 1x pro bowler with 12 starts and concerns expressed about concussions
None of that is to say that Ward won't continue on a great path and be just as good or better than Ramsey. But to think it's a good possibility of a team getting rid of their best player, who is still very young for backups and what will probably be a lower 1st seems to me like having homer colored glasses on
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Based on their current situation I think they might.
I very strongly disagree. Remember, with more evidence from a AFC championship game, they were one of the teams talked about like Browns are this season. And they obviously didn't sign Foles to that big contract with expectations of rebuilding.
Here is what I see, asking if it were the other way around if you/Browns would do it.
Browns get Ramsey (let's assume Browns make playoffs and lose in Wild Card round, thus highest possible pick for Jax)
Jax: Duke Johnson, Carrie, 21st pick in 2020 draft for Jalen Ramsey, 24 years old and 2x pro bowler with all 3 years of 16 starts
Or if its flipped, assume Jax barely finished like Browns last year.
Cleveland gets Thomas Rawls or Yeldon, Cody Brown, and 17th pick in 2020 draft for Denzel Ward, 22 years old (in 2 weeks) 1x pro bowler with 12 starts and concerns expressed about concussions
None of that is to say that Ward won't continue on a great path and be just as good or better than Ramsey. But to think it's a good possibility of a team getting rid of their best player, who is still very young for backups and what will probably be a lower 1st seems to me like having homer colored glasses on
I very strongly disagree. Remember, with more evidence from a AFC championship game, they were one of the teams talked about like Browns are this season. And they obviously didn't sign Foles to that big contract with expectations of rebuilding.
Here is what I see, asking if it were the other way around if you/Browns would do it.
Browns get Ramsey (let's assume Browns make playoffs and lose in Wild Card round, thus highest possible pick for Jax)
Jax: Duke Johnson, Carrie, 21st pick in 2020 draft for Jalen Ramsey, 24 years old and 2x pro bowler with all 3 years of 16 starts
Or if its flipped, assume Jax barely finished like Browns last year.
Cleveland gets Thomas Rawls or Yeldon, Cody Brown, and 17th pick in 2020 draft for Denzel Ward, 22 years old (in 2 weeks) 1x pro bowler with 12 starts and concerns expressed about concussions
None of that is to say that Ward won't continue on a great path and be just as good or better than Ramsey. But to think it's a good possibility of a team getting rid of their best player, who is still very young for backups and what will probably be a lower 1st seems to me like having homer colored glasses on
Fair points for sure. Most of my argument would only be valid if the Jags were both tired of Fournette and feel like they wont get Ramsey signed. All in all a pipe dream I suppose
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I very strongly disagree. Remember, with more evidence from a AFC championship game, they were one of the teams talked about like Browns are this season. And they obviously didn't sign Foles to that big contract with expectations of rebuilding.
Here is what I see, asking if it were the other way around if you/Browns would do it.
Browns get Ramsey (let's assume Browns make playoffs and lose in Wild Card round, thus highest possible pick for Jax)
Jax: Duke Johnson, Carrie, 21st pick in 2020 draft for Jalen Ramsey, 24 years old and 2x pro bowler with all 3 years of 16 starts
Or if its flipped, assume Jax barely finished like Browns last year.
Cleveland gets Thomas Rawls or Yeldon, Cody Brown, and 17th pick in 2020 draft for Denzel Ward, 22 years old (in 2 weeks) 1x pro bowler with 12 starts and concerns expressed about concussions
None of that is to say that Ward won't continue on a great path and be just as good or better than Ramsey. But to think it's a good possibility of a team getting rid of their best player, who is still very young for backups and what will probably be a lower 1st seems to me like having homer colored glasses on
Fair points for sure. Most of my argument would only be valid if the Jags were both tired of Fournette and feel like they wont get Ramsey signed. All in all a pipe dream I suppose
Fair points for sure. Most of my argument would only be valid if the Jags were both tired of Fournette and feel like they wont get Ramsey signed. All in all a pipe dream I suppose
I don't think either of those are that far off, I just don't think that would be the best they could do. IF they did get tired of Fournette, I think that if they had interest in Duke I think it would be in a backup role.
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They should just trade us him. We'll give them Duke and a 3rd rounder in next years draft. We could even sweeten the deal if need be. But there is no sense in keeping him if they are already saying he won't receive a contract extension... he still has 2 years left on his rookie deal.
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They should just trade us him. We'll give them Duke and a 3rd rounder in next years draft. We could even sweeten the deal if need be. But there is no sense in keeping him if they are already saying he won't receive a contract extension... he still has 2 years left on his rookie deal.
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We have yet to resign our young 2xDL, 2xDB, QB, RB, TE.. this is why QB on a rookie contract is such an item and why I doubt this happens.
As well I saw on one of the jags sites a prediction that Ramsey would be getting the tag for a couple seasons..
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Zoinks! am reading chit from april ?..How does Poe have time to find this stuff?... Does It sound like? The NFL agents have hit "the sky is falling" button, due to a *possible* league stoppage?(does your contract end in a year or two?cha' ching).imho, Ramsey is in* camp because Yannick Ngakoue, (who had like over 30 QB hits last season) contract is up at end of this season.He's sitting & the Jags cap ain't good after paying Foles.Ya may not be able to pay'em all? But ya certainly, can't win it all by yourself either.Players to Players will talk. I think Ramsey may have slowed his roll with the Jags to jump ship till after 2019 season? And pay me more money than..Or Else?..Getting Nick Foles can't hurt their offense with Deflip around..but his new OL might get him killed
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we dont need that contract now after drafting greedy. We need to find a safety...thsts who id be shopping duke for
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we dont need that contract now after drafting greedy. We need to find a safety...thsts who id be shopping duke for
we dont need that contract now after drafting greedy. We need to find a safety...thsts who id be shopping duke for
I am sure Dorsey has been shopping Duke, and it appears the offers aren't rolling in at this point. Dorsey knows that backs value has diminished over the last 4-5 years, so he is probably hoping for a 4th rounder but would take a 5th if it was mid round up. He is probably only getting 7th round offers at this point. That may get better as camp wears on.
Duke best hope we don't simply cut him(which we probably won't) because he won't get as much money as we are paying him.
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we dont need that contract now after drafting greedy. We need to find a safety...thsts who id be shopping duke for
I am sure Dorsey has been shopping Duke, and it appears the offers aren't rolling in at this point. Dorsey knows that backs value has diminished over the last 4-5 years, so he is probably hoping for a 4th rounder but would take a 5th if it was mid round up. He is probably only getting 7th round offers at this point. That may get better as camp wears on.
Duke best hope we don't simply cut him(which we probably won't) because he won't get as much money as we are paying him.
Duke best hope we don't simply cut him(which we probably won't)
ok...so then Chubb, Duke & Hilliard...until at least week 8.
Back in Hard Knocks, the infamous exchange between Hue and Freddie regarding occasionally not dressing a guy for practice to keep them from getting soft tissue injuries. I think Duke was one of those guys, in Hue's eyes. And although Hue wasn't a good HC, he wasn't ALWAYS wrong. He might've been right about putting Duke on a pitch count during the week.
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Duke best hope we don't simply cut him(which we probably won't)
ok...so then Chubb, Duke & Hilliard...until at least week 8.
Back in Hard Knocks, the infamous exchange between Hue and Freddie regarding occasionally not dressing a guy for practice to keep them from getting soft tissue injuries. I think Duke was one of those guys, in Hue's eyes. And although Hue wasn't a good HC, he wasn't ALWAYS wrong. He might've been right about putting Duke on a pitch count during the week.
ok...so then Chubb, Duke & Hilliard...until at least week 8.
Back in Hard Knocks, the infamous exchange between Hue and Freddie regarding occasionally not dressing a guy for practice to keep them from getting soft tissue injuries. I think Duke was one of those guys, in Hue's eyes. And although Hue wasn't a good HC, he wasn't ALWAYS wrong. He might've been right about putting Duke on a pitch count during the week.
FWIW here.
Dating back to college, the biggest question scouts had about Duke was whether or not he could handle a full work load beyond just 1 season. IMO, Cleveland gave a guy like him the perfect niche and work load size. And all the while Cleveland sucked (inclusive of 1-31 football) - his comfortable niche was never threatened. In fact, the rinse-repeat of suckage gave him an unchallenged tenure in the sense we had so many holes to fill that if we swapped out our #1 RB - we weren't going to try to upgrade Duke too. This ultimately led to his big raise and contract extension in 2018. It also meant that once Chubb beat out Hyde for the workload - Hyde was became the odd man out (not Duke).
IMO, Chubb has the bigger WTF questioning of the Hunt addition than Duke has. Not many rookie RBs can show up to a 1-31 caliber team and average 5.2 yards a carry throughout the learning curve. Even better, he's a quiet kid that keeps out of trouble. I would have preferred to see Duke use his anger and frustration about it on the field of play with memory of him being kept over Hyde.
The most recent complaint I heard out of Duke's mouth was when he corrected a reporter with "they already tried to trade me!" He gave the reporter a look like if you don't already know this - you're in the wrong business. Anyway, my question to Duke is if you really want to be traded in lieu of showing you're the one we need - then why are you so pissed the FO has already tried to trade you? If nobody wants to give you the salary Dorsey gave you through 2021, who's really dis-respecting you? The RB market...
A lot of guys leftover from that 1-31 football team are going to have their survival here challenged moving forward. Wouldn't the masses be complaining if that wasn't the case? I would hope so or we all need a check-up from the neck-up. We always hear NFL players need to be paid like entertainers, which is fine if your entertainment value treats the customers/consumers to something way better than 1 win in 2 years and/or something better than 2 winning seasons since 1999. The last thing some of us want to see is 1 guy on a contract extension (that hasn't had his comfortable niche challenged yet) complaining he wants to be traded as soon as there's enough RB talent here to challenge his reps the last 8 games.
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ok...so then Chubb, Duke & Hilliard...until at least week 8.
Back in Hard Knocks, the infamous exchange between Hue and Freddie regarding occasionally not dressing a guy for practice to keep them from getting soft tissue injuries. I think Duke was one of those guys, in Hue's eyes. And although Hue wasn't a good HC, he wasn't ALWAYS wrong. He might've been right about putting Duke on a pitch count during the week.
FWIW here.
Dating back to college, the biggest question scouts had about Duke was whether or not he could handle a full work load beyond just 1 season. IMO, Cleveland gave a guy like him the perfect niche and work load size. And all the while Cleveland sucked (inclusive of 1-31 football) - his comfortable niche was never threatened. In fact, the rinse-repeat of suckage gave him an unchallenged tenure in the sense we had so many holes to fill that if we swapped out our #1 RB - we weren't going to try to upgrade Duke too. This ultimately led to his big raise and contract extension in 2018. It also meant that once Chubb beat out Hyde for the workload - Hyde was became the odd man out (not Duke).
IMO, Chubb has the bigger WTF questioning of the Hunt addition than Duke has. Not many rookie RBs can show up to a 1-31 caliber team and average 5.2 yards a carry throughout the learning curve. Even better, he's a quiet kid that keeps out of trouble. I would have preferred to see Duke use his anger and frustration about it on the field of play with memory of him being kept over Hyde.
The most recent complaint I heard out of Duke's mouth was when he corrected a reporter with "they already tried to trade me!" He gave the reporter a look like if you don't already know this - you're in the wrong business. Anyway, my question to Duke is if you really want to be traded in lieu of showing you're the one we need - then why are you so pissed the FO has already tried to trade you? If nobody wants to give you the salary Dorsey gave you through 2021, who's really dis-respecting you? The RB market...
A lot of guys leftover from that 1-31 football team are going to have their survival here challenged moving forward. Wouldn't the masses be complaining if that wasn't the case? I would hope so or we all need a check-up from the neck-up. We always hear NFL players need to be paid like entertainers, which is fine if your entertainment value treats the customers/consumers to something way better than 1 win in 2 years and/or something better than 2 winning seasons since 1999. The last thing some of us want to see is 1 guy on a contract extension (that hasn't had his comfortable niche challenged yet) complaining he wants to be traded as soon as there's enough RB talent here to challenge his reps the last 8 games.
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ok...so then Chubb, Duke & Hilliard...until at least week 8.
Back in Hard Knocks, the infamous exchange between Hue and Freddie regarding occasionally not dressing a guy for practice to keep them from getting soft tissue injuries. I think Duke was one of those guys, in Hue's eyes. And although Hue wasn't a good HC, he wasn't ALWAYS wrong. He might've been right about putting Duke on a pitch count during the week.
FWIW here.
Dating back to college, the biggest question scouts had about Duke was whether or not he could handle a full work load beyond just 1 season. IMO, Cleveland gave a guy like him the perfect niche and work load size. And all the while Cleveland sucked (inclusive of 1-31 football) - his comfortable niche was never threatened. In fact, the rinse-repeat of suckage gave him an unchallenged tenure in the sense we had so many holes to fill that if we swapped out our #1 RB - we weren't going to try to upgrade Duke too. This ultimately led to his big raise and contract extension in 2018. It also meant that once Chubb beat out Hyde for the workload - Hyde was became the odd man out (not Duke).
IMO, Chubb has the bigger WTF questioning of the Hunt addition than Duke has. Not many rookie RBs can show up to a 1-31 caliber team and average 5.2 yards a carry throughout the learning curve. Even better, he's a quiet kid that keeps out of trouble. I would have preferred to see Duke use his anger and frustration about it on the field of play with memory of him being kept over Hyde.
The most recent complaint I heard out of Duke's mouth was when he corrected a reporter with "they already tried to trade me!" He gave the reporter a look like if you don't already know this - you're in the wrong business. Anyway, my question to Duke is if you really want to be traded in lieu of showing you're the one we need - then why are you so pissed the FO has already tried to trade you? If nobody wants to give you the salary Dorsey gave you through 2021, who's really dis-respecting you? The RB market...
A lot of guys leftover from that 1-31 football team are going to have their survival here challenged moving forward. Wouldn't the masses be complaining if that wasn't the case? I would hope so or we all need a check-up from the neck-up. We always hear NFL players need to be paid like entertainers, which is fine if your entertainment value treats the customers/consumers to something way better than 1 win in 2 years and/or something better than 2 winning seasons since 1999. The last thing some of us want to see is 1 guy on a contract extension (that hasn't had his comfortable niche challenged yet) complaining he wants to be traded as soon as there's enough RB talent here to challenge his reps the last 8 games.
IMO, Chubb has the bigger WTF questioning of the Hunt addition than Duke has.
Gonna disagree there, Flugs...
While I get that KC used him like he was a #1, feature back... they really did not have an alternative. Clearly Hunt is closer to Duke stylistically... it's just that Hunt is also a very effective early down back.
So while I can see Hunt "stealing" carries from Chubb as a change of pace back, Chubb is still the #1. Whereas Hunt makes Duke superfluous.
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