Duke Dumps his Agent
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i wouldnt be comfortable with him being the feature back here. Id be asking for a carlos hyde type to do the heavy lifting. Does hunt catch well out of the backfield?
Hes better at Dukes job than Duke...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Who says that Hilliard has gone ahead of duke?
I do... judging by what has transpired.. Wake up from your nap already!..
I do... judging by what has transpired.. Wake up from your nap already!..
Well. sorry. We know that you are a completely unreliable source to ask. Every depth chart out there still has Duke ahead of Hilliard. And I believe that will remain the case until and unless Duke is moved.
He simply has proven that he has more skills. His career production is vastly superior. NOTHING that has happened recently has changed that. Asking for a trade certainly does not. If he were to be dropped on the depth chart, then his trade value would be diminished.
So...neither his capabilities nor his production put him behind Hilliard, and certainly for return value they would not list him behind Hilliard.
Even If I am taking a nap...then you must be walking around in a stupor.
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i wouldnt be comfortable with him being the feature back here. Id be asking for a carlos hyde type to do the heavy lifting. Does hunt catch well out of the backfield?
Hes better at Dukes job than Duke...
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Actually, probably not. Hunt is more like Chubb than he is like Duke. He is a more power runner, not 3rd down, playing in the slot half the time back. Could Hunt do that role? I suspect so. But that is not his forte.
You underestimate Hunt's real pass catching skills out of the backfield and the dual threat he presents on 3rd down. He is a combination of Chubb and Duke and actually better at it than both, especially with a quality QB running the show.
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I do... judging by what has transpired.. Wake up from your nap already!..
Well. sorry. We know that you are a completely unreliable source to ask. Every depth chart out there still has Duke ahead of Hilliard. And I believe that will remain the case until and unless Duke is moved.
He simply has proven that he has more skills. His career production is vastly superior. NOTHING that has happened recently has changed that. Asking for a trade certainly does not. If he were to be dropped on the depth chart, then his trade value would be diminished.
So...neither his capabilities nor his production put him behind Hilliard, and certainly for return value they would not list him behind Hilliard.
Even If I am taking a nap...then you must be walking around in a stupor.
Well. sorry. We know that you are a completely unreliable source to ask. Every depth chart out there still has Duke ahead of Hilliard. And I believe that will remain the case until and unless Duke is moved.
He simply has proven that he has more skills. His career production is vastly superior. NOTHING that has happened recently has changed that. Asking for a trade certainly does not. If he were to be dropped on the depth chart, then his trade value would be diminished.
So...neither his capabilities nor his production put him behind Hilliard, and certainly for return value they would not list him behind Hilliard.
Even If I am taking a nap...then you must be walking around in a stupor.
It apparently is too hard for you read between the lines then..
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Folks, come on man..When your peers vote you has the 33rd top player in league..as a newbie..Who can argue?
1.Can the guy catch? sure he can.. Several things on the field jump out over Duke's skill set.. 2.Hunt blocks angry. run or pass block. 3. Hunt's huge advantage imo over Duke is a)Vision with juke speed, not slowing down. b) Hunt coils his body before impact & can take hits. Duke tends to leave his feet, causing weird collisions..4) The biggest factor is Can Dorsey still trust Hunt, off the field? On the field, it's a absolute steal for the price we paid at our own risk..Look who we play after week 8..Hunt will play a huge part on clinching any hopes..
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Actually, probably not. Hunt is more like Chubb than he is like Duke. He is a more power runner, not 3rd down, playing in the slot half the time back. Could Hunt do that role? I suspect so. But that is not his forte.
You underestimate Hunt's real pass catching skills out of the backfield and the dual threat he presents on 3rd down. He is a combination of Chubb and Duke and actually better at it than both, especially with a quality QB running the show.
You underestimate Hunt's real pass catching skills out of the backfield and the dual threat he presents on 3rd down. He is a combination of Chubb and Duke and actually better at it than both, especially with a quality QB running the show.
No, I don't. I said he could likely handle it. But I am saying that to this point, he has not proven to be as good of a 3rd down back as Duke.
In his 1.5 seasons, Hunt has proven that yes, he can be a No.1 featured back. But that is a different role.
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Well. sorry. We know that you are a completely unreliable source to ask. Every depth chart out there still has Duke ahead of Hilliard. And I believe that will remain the case until and unless Duke is moved.
He simply has proven that he has more skills. His career production is vastly superior. NOTHING that has happened recently has changed that. Asking for a trade certainly does not. If he were to be dropped on the depth chart, then his trade value would be diminished.
So...neither his capabilities nor his production put him behind Hilliard, and certainly for return value they would not list him behind Hilliard.
Even If I am taking a nap...then you must be walking around in a stupor.
It apparently is too hard for you read between the lines then..
It apparently is too hard for you read between the lines then..
I don't need to read between the lines....when the lines themselves are clear. At this point....Duke is ahead of Hunt ..and Hilliard on the depth chart....and WILL remain their until and unless they decide to trade him. Maybe they will trade him....thus elevating Hilliard. But, until/unless that happens...or until and unless Hunt comes back and proves himself (and he has a lot of proving to do) DUKE is the #2 guy behind Chubb.
Plain, simple, solid. Freddie Kitchens and...??? forget the name of the OC, will decide that matter (or Dorsey if he trades them) not you, not I, no one here.
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Folks, come on man..When your peers vote you has the 33rd top player in league..as a newbie..Who can argue?
1.Can the guy catch? sure he can.. Several things on the field jump out over Duke's skill set.. 2.Hunt blocks angry. run or pass block. 3. Hunt's huge advantage imo over Duke is a)Vision with juke speed, not slowing down. b) Hunt coils his body before impact & can take hits. Duke tends to leave his feet, causing weird collisions..4) The biggest factor is Can Dorsey still trust Hunt, off the field? On the field, it's a absolute steal for the price we paid at our own risk..Look who we play after week 8..Hunt will play a huge part on clinching any hopes..
Folks, come on man..When your peers vote you has the 33rd top player in league..as a newbie..Who can argue?
1.Can the guy catch? sure he can.. Several things on the field jump out over Duke's skill set.. 2.Hunt blocks angry. run or pass block. 3. Hunt's huge advantage imo over Duke is a)Vision with juke speed, not slowing down. b) Hunt coils his body before impact & can take hits. Duke tends to leave his feet, causing weird collisions..4) The biggest factor is Can Dorsey still trust Hunt, off the field? On the field, it's a absolute steal for the price we paid at our own risk..Look who we play after week 8..Hunt will play a huge part on clinching any hopes..
Again...different skills. As I said, more comparable to Chubb.
What we could have...if we are lucky, as I said elsewhere, is a redux of Mack/Byner/Fontenot... Here are the stats from that year:
34 Kevin Mack 24 FB 12 12 174 665 10 20 3.8 55.4 14.5 28 292 10.4 0 44 2.3 24.3 0.0% 202 4.7 957 10 6 33 Curtis Dickey 30 RB 14 10 135 523 6 47 3.9 37.4 9.6 10 78 7.8 0 12 0.7 5.6 0.0% 145 4.1 601 6 4 44 Earnest Byner 24 rb 7 7 94 277 2 37 2.9 39.6 13.4 37 328 8.9 2 40 5.3 46.9 0.0% 131 4.6 605 4 1 28 Herman Fontenot 23 rb 16 3 25 105 1 16 4.2 6.6 1.6 47 559 11.9 1 72 2.9 34.9 0.0% 72 9.2 664 2 2 Fontenot/(Duke) Chubb (Mack) Hunt (Byner) Hilliard (Dickey)
I could definitely see that.
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It apparently is too hard for you read between the lines then..
I don't need to read between the lines....when the lines themselves are clear. At this point....Duke is ahead of Hunt ..and Hilliard on the depth chart....and WILL remain their until and unless they decide to trade him. Maybe they will trade him....thus elevating Hilliard. But, until/unless that happens...or until and unless Hunt comes back and proves himself (and he has a lot of proving to do) DUKE is the #2 guy behind Chubb.
Plain, simple, solid. Freddie Kitchens and...??? forget the name of the OC, will decide that matter (or Dorsey if he trades them) not you, not I, no one here.
I don't need to read between the lines....when the lines themselves are clear. At this point....Duke is ahead of Hunt ..and Hilliard on the depth chart....and WILL remain their until and unless they decide to trade him. Maybe they will trade him....thus elevating Hilliard. But, until/unless that happens...or until and unless Hunt comes back and proves himself (and he has a lot of proving to do) DUKE is the #2 guy behind Chubb.
Plain, simple, solid. Freddie Kitchens and...??? forget the name of the OC, will decide that matter (or Dorsey if he trades them) not you, not I, no one here.
All's well and good 'yer'on'er'... I've moved on from Duke,,, I suggest everyone else do the same...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
am rewatching a juicy Browns at Ravens game, while Gip's orange sunglasses go brighter than mine ?.. Nobody has argued your assessment of Hunt's similar playing skills to Chubb Gip, Butt.. Sadly
(maybe madly is the better word) for what it's worth? (nothing but fan speak, btw)..my lucky 8 ball ? says forget seeing Duke at camp..he won't be here opening week 1..Your above post^^^..the guys all wanted* to be here..Not Duke Johnson/clearly... (strike #1) Hue must have put the puss, in pussifcation in hard knocks with Duke sitting out practices? (I'll add.. not a good look when other mates are pushing for spots..hurt or not? am guessing Landry was not a big Duke fan at last years camp? Bottom line, (strike #2) Dorsey should not add on Freddie's coaching plate what Pettine dealt with in our past. A split lockerroom..Some backed Johnny.. others backed Hoyer..now, word on the street says Some back Duke/Some back Baker? in a behind the scenes word, that Duke clearly(with purpose) decided to put in the front picture window in Berra... it gets & was, a bit messy, as Pettine & Farmer stated on there way out the door..(strike #3) Dorsey has not said one ugly peep, since being called a liar by Duke. Even after JD paid Duke & after just adding Hyde & Chubb.. mainly cus, Dorse knows the ball is still in his front yard to kick around till he finds a willing trade partner..Duke's only leverage is the Browns will pay him guaranteed this season and well. Yea, it's not our money. but, only speaking as a browns fan.(cause that's what we all signed up to do here is fan speak). It's a damn shame, solely on Duke Johnson behave, that his behavior has turned into what we all saw on Duke's day 1.? Trust was given, both ways, the day Duke re-signed it..To later, call any GM a liar after doing their job,of adding better competition at your position..That's called contract 'Gold Digging'! imho.. taking a teams million, to not compete against (in your words)Mack, Byner and soon minus -Fontenot.. I see nothing wrong with keepin' the faith like Gip..I've just lost all the faith in Duke Johnson..
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
Folks, come on man..When your peers vote you has the 33rd top player in league..as a newbie..Who can argue?
1.Can the guy catch? sure he can.. Several things on the field jump out over Duke's skill set.. 2.Hunt blocks angry. run or pass block. 3. Hunt's huge advantage imo over Duke is a)Vision with juke speed, not slowing down. b) Hunt coils his body before impact & can take hits. Duke tends to leave his feet, causing weird collisions..4) The biggest factor is Can Dorsey still trust Hunt, off the field? On the field, it's a absolute steal for the price we paid at our own risk..Look who we play after week 8..Hunt will play a huge part on clinching any hopes..
Again...different skills. As I said, more comparable to Chubb.
What we could have...if we are lucky, as I said elsewhere, is a redux of Mack/Byner/Fontenot... Here are the stats from that year:
34 Kevin Mack 24 FB 12 12 174 665 10 20 3.8 55.4 14.5 28 292 10.4 0 44 2.3 24.3 0.0% 202 4.7 957 10 6 33 Curtis Dickey 30 RB 14 10 135 523 6 47 3.9 37.4 9.6 10 78 7.8 0 12 0.7 5.6 0.0% 145 4.1 601 6 4 44 Earnest Byner 24 rb 7 7 94 277 2 37 2.9 39.6 13.4 37 328 8.9 2 40 5.3 46.9 0.0% 131 4.6 605 4 1 28 Herman Fontenot 23 rb 16 3 25 105 1 16 4.2 6.6 1.6 47 559 11.9 1 72 2.9 34.9 0.0% 72 9.2 664 2 2 Fontenot/(Duke) Chubb (Mack) Hunt (Byner) Hilliard (Dickey)
I could definitely see that.
Fontenot/(Duke) Chubb (Mack) Hunt (Byner) Hilliard (Dickey)
I could definitely see that.
Four? On the final roster?
And Orson Charles?
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I don't need to read between the lines....when the lines themselves are clear. At this point....Duke is ahead of Hunt ..and Hilliard on the depth chart....and WILL remain their until and unless they decide to trade him. Maybe they will trade him....thus elevating Hilliard. But, until/unless that happens...or until and unless Hunt comes back and proves himself (and he has a lot of proving to do) DUKE is the #2 guy behind Chubb.
Plain, simple, solid. Freddie Kitchens and...??? forget the name of the OC, will decide that matter (or Dorsey if he trades them) not you, not I, no one here.
All's well and good 'yer'on'er'... I've moved on from Duke,,, I suggest everyone else do the same...
All's well and good 'yer'on'er'... I've moved on from Duke,,, I suggest everyone else do the same...
I'm with ya on this Nickers!
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I don't need to read between the lines....when the lines themselves are clear. At this point....Duke is ahead of Hunt ..and Hilliard on the depth chart....and WILL remain their until and unless they decide to trade him. Maybe they will trade him....thus elevating Hilliard. But, until/unless that happens...or until and unless Hunt comes back and proves himself (and he has a lot of proving to do) DUKE is the #2 guy behind Chubb.
Plain, simple, solid. Freddie Kitchens and...??? forget the name of the OC, will decide that matter (or Dorsey if he trades them) not you, not I, no one here.
All's well and good 'yer'on'er'... I've moved on from Duke,,, I suggest everyone else do the same...
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am rewatching a juicy Browns at Ravens game, while Gip's orange sunglasses go brighter than mine ?.. Nobody has argued your assessment of Hunt's similar playing skills to Chubb Gip, Butt.. Sadly
(maybe madly is the better word) for what it's worth? (nothing but fan speak, btw)..my lucky 8 ball ? says forget seeing Duke at camp..he won't be here opening week 1..Your above post^^^..the guys all wanted* to be here..Not Duke Johnson/clearly... (strike #1) Hue must have put the puss, in pussifcation in hard knocks with Duke sitting out practices? (I'll add.. not a good look when other mates are pushing for spots..hurt or not? am guessing Landry was not a big Duke fan at last years camp? Bottom line, (strike #2) Dorsey should not add on Freddie's coaching plate what Pettine dealt with in our past. A split lockerroom..Some backed Johnny.. others backed Hoyer..now, word on the street says Some back Duke/Some back Baker? in a behind the scenes word, that Duke clearly(with purpose) decided to put in the front picture window in Berra... it gets & was, a bit messy, as Pettine & Farmer stated on there way out the door..(strike #3) Dorsey has not said one ugly peep, since being called a liar by Duke. Even after JD paid Duke & after just adding Hyde & Chubb.. mainly cus, Dorse knows the ball is still in his front yard to kick around till he finds a willing trade partner..Duke's only leverage is the Browns will pay him guaranteed this season and well. Yea, it's not our money. but, only speaking as a browns fan.(cause that's what we all signed up to do here is fan speak). It's a damn shame, solely on Duke Johnson behave, that his behavior has turned into what we all saw on Duke's day 1.? Trust was given, both ways, the day Duke re-signed it..To later, call any GM a liar after doing their job,of adding better competition at your position..That's called contract 'Gold Digging'! imho.. taking a teams million, to not compete against (in your words)Mack, Byner and soon minus -Fontenot.. I see nothing wrong with keepin' the faith like Gip..I've just lost all the faith in Duke Johnson..
am rewatching a juicy Browns at Ravens game, while Gip's orange sunglasses go brighter than mine ?.. Nobody has argued your assessment of Hunt's similar playing skills to Chubb Gip, Butt.. Sadly
(maybe madly is the better word) for what it's worth? (nothing but fan speak, btw)..my lucky 8 ball ? says forget seeing Duke at camp..he won't be here opening week 1..Your above post^^^..the guys all wanted* to be here..Not Duke Johnson/clearly... (strike #1) Hue must have put the puss, in pussifcation in hard knocks with Duke sitting out practices? (I'll add.. not a good look when other mates are pushing for spots..hurt or not? am guessing Landry was not a big Duke fan at last years camp? Bottom line, (strike #2) Dorsey should not add on Freddie's coaching plate what Pettine dealt with in our past. A split lockerroom..Some backed Johnny.. others backed Hoyer..now, word on the street says Some back Duke/Some back Baker? in a behind the scenes word, that Duke clearly(with purpose) decided to put in the front picture window in Berra... it gets & was, a bit messy, as Pettine & Farmer stated on there way out the door..(strike #3) Dorsey has not said one ugly peep, since being called a liar by Duke. Even after JD paid Duke & after just adding Hyde & Chubb.. mainly cus, Dorse knows the ball is still in his front yard to kick around till he finds a willing trade partner..Duke's only leverage is the Browns will pay him guaranteed this season and well. Yea, it's not our money. but, only speaking as a browns fan.(cause that's what we all signed up to do here is fan speak). It's a damn shame, solely on Duke Johnson behave, that his behavior has turned into what we all saw on Duke's day 1.? Trust was given, both ways, the day Duke re-signed it..To later, call any GM a liar after doing their job,of adding better competition at your position..That's called contract 'Gold Digging'! imho.. taking a teams million, to not compete against (in your words)Mack, Byner and soon minus -Fontenot.. I see nothing wrong with keepin' the faith like Gip..I've just lost all the faith in Duke Johnson..
My point is not that I’m putting that much faith into Johnson. It’s just that I am reading what the current facts are. The current facts are he is a member of this team and he has a role to play if he’s going to be here in the future. That role will be as the third down back up running back. If he’s gone he’s gone and Vaya con Dios but until that point I’m not going to disparage a member of this football team in case he just happens to stick around here a lot longer than you all think he will.
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Fontenot/(Duke) Chubb (Mack) Hunt (Byner) Hilliard (Dickey)
I could definitely see that.
Four? On the final roster?
And Orson Charles?
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Zombo said:
Ideally you keep Duke half the season and then trade him because, hopefully, it is another team that has injury problems and needs a veteran back,
Zombo
However, there is always a good chance someone needs him from day one and with Hillard there, my bet would be on the trade to fulfill someone else's loss. Some counted on RB always goes down during preseason (or gets suspended). I'd take the bet for the trade before opening kickoff in Sept.
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Zombo said:
Ideally you keep Duke half the season and then trade him because, hopefully, it is another team that has injury problems and needs a veteran back,
Zombo
However, there is always a good chance someone needs him from day one and with Hillard there, my bet would be on the trade to fulfill someone else's loss. Some counted on RB always goes down during preseason (or gets suspended). I'd take the bet for the trade before opening kickoff in Sept.
However, there is always a good chance someone needs him from day one and with Hillard there, my bet would be on the trade to fulfill someone else's loss. Some counted on RB always goes down during preseason (or gets suspended). I'd take the bet for the trade before opening kickoff in Sept.
Why should we do other teams a favor by giving them a player that we can use for probably a sack of beans in return.
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