** Browns Training Camp 2019
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a bunch of our guys are on kind of pitch counts right now, just from the standpoint of we understand that that is the most immediate threat to injury, is these first five to eight days. Soft tissue injuries."
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...and so now it's < on Freddie > as to how much a 'soft tissue' guy (like Duke ?) will practice per day.
Whereas last year Hue wouldn't let it be on Freddie and the guy just wouldn't dress at all.
I like the idea of getting 'em out there every day and using the pitch count concept where you think it's required.
Pads tomorrow. Sleep tight OLinemen.
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a bunch of our guys are on kind of pitch counts right now, just from the standpoint of we understand that that is the most immediate threat to injury, is these first five to eight days. Soft tissue injuries."
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...and so now it's < on Freddie > as to how much a 'soft tissue' guy (like Duke ?) will practice per day.
Whereas last year Hue wouldn't let it be on Freddie and the guy just wouldn't dress at all.
I like the idea of getting 'em out there every day and using the pitch count concept where you think it's required.
Pads tomorrow. Sleep tight OLinemen.
Sleep tight OLinemen.
And may your Dline nightmares begin!! LOL!?
It's just gonna make that Oline better, quicker & that's a great thing!
Mike
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Ok..Who woke up feeling dangerous? Ordering the grey* #6 ?Legend Jersey that ships free from our website? That would be Gumby damn it!! ? #Sweet!
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a bunch of our guys are on kind of pitch counts right now, just from the standpoint of we understand that that is the most immediate threat to injury, is these first five to eight days. Soft tissue injuries."
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...and so now it's < on Freddie > as to how much a 'soft tissue' guy (like Duke ?) will practice per day.
Whereas last year Hue wouldn't let it be on Freddie and the guy just wouldn't dress at all.
I like the idea of getting 'em out there every day and using the pitch count concept where you think it's required.
Pads tomorrow. Sleep tight OLinemen.
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...and so now it's < on Freddie > as to how much a 'soft tissue' guy (like Duke ?) will practice per day.
Whereas last year Hue wouldn't let it be on Freddie and the guy just wouldn't dress at all.
I like the idea of getting 'em out there every day and using the pitch count concept where you think it's required.
Pads tomorrow. Sleep tight OLinemen.
I like the pitch count idea too. That was a talking point last year with the Hard Knocks tiff between Hue and Haley, and a rare moment l thought Hue was doing the right thing. Especially with the vet guys who have been there and done that, let them ease into the grind at an ideal pace. The Tretters and Richardsons on the team, they pretty much know what they need to do and how to get there.
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Day three: Corbet does something right.
https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/fresh-takes-observations-from-day-3-of-browns-training-camp
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
3 RB's were out today..So we bring in the "dirty white boy" from Ohio U..walkon..finished with two 1000 yard seasons as a Bobcat..cut by Saints https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/browns-sign-rb-a-j-ouellette tough kid up the road
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Day three: Corbet does something right.
https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/fresh-takes-observations-from-day-3-of-browns-training-camp
Day three: Corbet does something right.
https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/fresh-takes-observations-from-day-3-of-browns-training-camp
Looks like they echoed some of my thoughts - especially about the offense at the end of the day.
I disagree about Corbett and truly believe Kush or even Kalis will be the opening day starters.
The oline wasn't as badass as they would have you believe today.
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Day three: Corbet does something right.
https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/fresh-takes-observations-from-day-3-of-browns-training-camp
Looks like they echoed some of my thoughts - especially about the offense at the end of the day.
I disagree about Corbett and truly believe Kush or even Kalis will be the opening day starters.
The oline wasn't as badass as they would have you believe today.
I disagree about Corbett and truly believe Kush or even Kalis will be the opening day starters. Well, I'm hoping he makes a year 2 jump.
The oline wasn't as badass as they would have you believe today.
Does that mean they weren't too good? Or weren't too bad?
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
Does that mean they weren't too good? Or weren't too bad?
It's one of those things I'm racking around in my mind. Going from watching the 1 on 1's to watching the full 11's.
I'm willing to concede that perhaps this oline will give results greater than the sum of it's parts. That doesn't mean it's going to pause my concerns as eventually you're going to face a player and coach who will test your individual ability up front. If things look at least O.K. to start then that sure is nice. But you have the best defensive player in football coming to town week 3. And it just so happens that his ass will be parked over top of whoever locks down the RG spot most of the game. So the individual weaknesses are something we'll have a much better understanding of rather early in the season.
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Does that mean they weren't too good? Or weren't too bad?
It's one of those things I'm racking around in my mind. Going from watching the 1 on 1's to watching the full 11's.
I'm willing to concede that perhaps this oline will give results greater than the sum of it's parts. That doesn't mean it's going to pause my concerns as eventually you're going to face a player and coach who will test your individual ability up front. If things look at least O.K. to start then that sure is nice. But you have the best defensive player in football coming to town week 3. And it just so happens that his ass will be parked over top of whoever locks down the RG spot most of the game. So the individual weaknesses are something we'll have a much better understanding of rather early in the season.
It's one of those things I'm racking around in my mind.
The article states that the running game was pretty much stuffed. Does that mean that our defense is really good or is our OL not good. We'll probably gauge that better when we get to practicing against the Colts. (It IS the Colts that we practice against, right?)
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
Does that mean they weren't too good? Or weren't too bad?
and here lies the problem as Cleveland.com sports writers as "the source" to the national media reports..i can trust only two..Jake Burns & Pluto for actual good insight..The rest can take the same guy like Corbett and come up with good/bad/to suck links in the same practice..so Am on the boat of 'wait to see with my own eyes' this season..Care to join? the only thing 7 writers agreed on today was the weather was sunny ? lol
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Does that mean they weren't too good? Or weren't too bad?
and here lies the problem as Cleveland.com sports writers as "the source" to the national media reports..i can trust only two..Jake Burns & Pluto for actual good insight..The rest can take the same guy like Corbett and come up with good/bad/to suck links in the same practice..so Am on the boat of 'wait to see with my own eyes' this season..Care to join? the only thing 7 writers agreed on today was the weather was sunny ? lol
and here lies the problem as Cleveland.com sports writers as "the source" to the national media reports..i can trust only two..Jake Burns & Pluto for actual good insight..The rest can take the same guy like Corbett and come up with good/bad/to suck links in the same practice..so Am on the boat of 'wait to see with my own eyes' this season..Care to join? the only thing 7 writers agreed on today was the weather was sunny ? lol
I gotta confess. I traded in everything I ever learned about football for the world according to Mary Kay Cabot. It's been an amazing transformation. I never had any idea that footballs are slippery when wet. If it wasn't for Mary Kay Cabot, I would have never understood why Jim Brown scored more TDs than Gene Hickerson and other Offensive Guards for that matter. She even got me up to speed that defensive players are supposed to tackle people but a lot of our defensive players in the new millennium have been unable to do so. And did you know it wasn't Legally Blonde's Elle Woods or any of our coaches dating back to Paul Brown that came up with the "Bend and Snap?" It was Mary Kay Cabot; and I'm just a blind man in the bleachers without her.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
and here lies the problem as Cleveland.com sports writers as "the source" to the national media reports..i can trust only two..Jake Burns & Pluto for actual good insight..The rest can take the same guy like Corbett and come up with good/bad/to suck links in the same practice..so Am on the boat of 'wait to see with my own eyes' this season..Care to join? the only thing 7 writers agreed on today was the weather was sunny ? lol
I gotta confess. I traded in everything I ever learned about football for the world according to Mary Kay Cabot. It's been an amazing transformation. I never had any idea that footballs are slippery when wet. If it wasn't for Mary Kay Cabot, I would have never understood why Jim Brown scored more TDs than Gene Hickerson and other Offensive Guards for that matter. She even got me up to speed that defensive players are supposed to tackle people but a lot of our defensive players in the new millennium have been unable to do so. And did you know it wasn't Legally Blonde's Elle Woods or any of our coaches dating back to Paul Brown that came up with the "Bend and Snap?" It was Mary Kay Cabot; and I'm just a blind man in the bleachers without her.
I gotta confess. I traded in everything I ever learned about football for the world according to Mary Kay Cabot. It's been an amazing transformation. I never had any idea that footballs are slippery when wet. If it wasn't for Mary Kay Cabot, I would have never understood why Jim Brown scored more TDs than Gene Hickerson and other Offensive Guards for that matter. She even got me up to speed that defensive players are supposed to tackle people but a lot of our defensive players in the new millennium have been unable to do so. And did you know it wasn't Legally Blonde's Elle Woods or any of our coaches dating back to Paul Brown that came up with the "Bend and Snap?" It was Mary Kay Cabot; and I'm just a blind man in the bleachers without her.
Plus 50 funny points for mentioning the bend and snap.
I'm really digging this camp so far! Kitchens seems like he's deadly serious about practice, and I LIKE it.
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and here lies the problem as Cleveland.com sports writers as "the source" to the national media reports..i can trust only two..Jake Burns & Pluto for actual good insight..The rest can take the same guy like Corbett and come up with good/bad/to suck links in the same practice..so Am on the boat of 'wait to see with my own eyes' this season..Care to join? the only thing 7 writers agreed on today was the weather was sunny ? lol
I gotta confess. I traded in everything I ever learned about football for the world according to Mary Kay Cabot. It's been an amazing transformation. I never had any idea that footballs are slippery when wet. If it wasn't for Mary Kay Cabot, I would have never understood why Jim Brown scored more TDs than Gene Hickerson and other Offensive Guards for that matter. She even got me up to speed that defensive players are supposed to tackle people but a lot of our defensive players in the new millennium have been unable to do so. And did you know it wasn't Legally Blonde's Elle Woods or any of our coaches dating back to Paul Brown that came up with the "Bend and Snap?" It was Mary Kay Cabot; and I'm just a blind man in the bleachers without her.
I gotta confess. I traded in everything I ever learned about football for the world according to Mary Kay Cabot. It's been an amazing transformation. I never had any idea that footballs are slippery when wet. If it wasn't for Mary Kay Cabot, I would have never understood why Jim Brown scored more TDs than Gene Hickerson and other Offensive Guards for that matter. She even got me up to speed that defensive players are supposed to tackle people but a lot of our defensive players in the new millennium have been unable to do so. And did you know it wasn't Legally Blonde's Elle Woods or any of our coaches dating back to Paul Brown that came up with the "Bend and Snap?" It was Mary Kay Cabot; and I'm just a blind man in the bleachers without her.
Are you saying that Mary Kay has perky boobs?
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It's one of those things I'm racking around in my mind.
The article states that the running game was pretty much stuffed. Does that mean that our defense is really good or is our OL not good. We'll probably gauge that better when we get to practicing against the Colts. (It IS the Colts that we practice against, right?)
The article states that the running game was pretty much stuffed. Does that mean that our defense is really good or is our OL not good. We'll probably gauge that better when we get to practicing against the Colts. (It IS the Colts that we practice against, right?)
I didn't see it that way. Granted the explosive runs weren't there, which is a good indicator of the defense. But the methodical yardage had its moments between Chubb and Hilliard. The- not--flashy early down 3 and 4 yard carries still worked. Which I was ok seeing today. Shows the dline is getting it done and we're commited to grinding things out without big gains. Even with the Oline still trying to find its best 5 and rhythm.
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A bit of a write up on Kitchen’s twist on the “pitch count” for vet players. He apparently likes his healthy players in uniforms and being involved with their teammates throughout all sessions whether they participate in certain drills or not. He’s not a fan of the stationary bike.
Not a bad idea methinks. Keeps everyone involved and gives the vets a chance to offer insight to the younger dudes instead of pedaling away in the distance.
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So we finished up camp day 4 with a dust up between Pharoah Brown & Chad Thomas ?Freddie has whole team line-up for some old HS gassers..Chad Thomas flips off a fan for telling Chad to "hustle"
both kickers miss game winning practice kicks & am waiting for Freddie to hit the mic ?(edit--Ogun than Richardson two good pressers,Ogun ain't scared of getting any DT.."that just boosted my level" Richardson is a real fun jokester..than a Jimmy & Dee sighting at presser..no freddie presser yet,seems to be handling some biz? So am out..windows & siding cleanup from last week..? great!!)
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Does that mean they weren't too good? Or weren't too bad?
It's one of those things I'm racking around in my mind. Going from watching the 1 on 1's to watching the full 11's.
I'm willing to concede that perhaps this oline will give results greater than the sum of it's parts. That doesn't mean it's going to pause my concerns as eventually you're going to face a player and coach who will test your individual ability up front. If things look at least O.K. to start then that sure is nice. But you have the best defensive player in football coming to town week 3. And it just so happens that his ass will be parked over top of whoever locks down the RG spot most of the game. So the individual weaknesses are something we'll have a much better understanding of rather early in the season.
I'm willing to concede that perhaps this oline will give results greater than the sum of it's parts.
The best thing this OL has going for it is a decisive Baker Mayfield distributing the ball in under 2 seconds... BUT... we have to be able to run to set up PAP.
Second best? A tough running RB with speed and decisiveness.
They are why we can produce with lesser OTs when it comes to PassPro... BUT... they, and especially their inside comrades, have to establish the run sans Zeitler.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I gotta confess. I traded in everything I ever learned about football for the world according to Mary Kay Cabot. It's been an amazing transformation. I never had any idea that footballs are slippery when wet. If it wasn't for Mary Kay Cabot, I would have never understood why Jim Brown scored more TDs than Gene Hickerson and other Offensive Guards for that matter. She even got me up to speed that defensive players are supposed to tackle people but a lot of our defensive players in the new millennium have been unable to do so. And did you know it wasn't Legally Blonde's Elle Woods or any of our coaches dating back to Paul Brown that came up with the "Bend and Snap?" It was Mary Kay Cabot; and I'm just a blind man in the bleachers without her.
Plus 50 funny points for mentioning the bend and snap.
I'm really digging this camp so far! Kitchens seems like he's deadly serious about practice, and I LIKE it.
I'm really digging this camp so far! Kitchens seems like he's deadly serious about practice, and I LIKE it.
Really interesting read today on Freddie's use of analytics to fuel his emphasis on where "the line" is in practicing and how going over the line is why players are most often hurt in the opening five days of Camp followed by the first 8 to 10 day period.
Apparently Takitaki is becoming an expert in Camp injury stats after all the lectures on "control" he's been getting...
The first five days of camp give plenty of reasons to make a coach nervous.
The injury data, cultivated from years and years of analysis of training camps across the league, is near the top.
Freddie Kitchens gave one of his longest answers of the day Friday when he was asked about certain players being on "pitch counts" during this portion of training camp. Clearly, it's something that was on the top of his mind.
"Most injuries occur in the first five days of training camp and if you want to extend it even more, it is the first eight to 10 days of training camp," Kitchens said. "So, we are trying to be conscious of that. There is only one way to get in football condition and that is actually playing football. I do not really care what they have done until they put pads on and they start running routes on a consistent basis and getting in huddle and running more routes. They never build endurance.
"The difference between endurance and being in shape is continuing to play over and over and over again to continue to play plays and not coming out. That is how you build endurance. And once you have endurance you can eliminate injuries. Yes, a bunch of our guys are on kind of pitch counts right now, just from the standpoint of we understand that that is the most immediate threat to injury, is these first five to eight days. Soft tissue injuries."
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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