Browns LBs - key to the defense taking a giant leap forward?
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Back to the Linebackers. Is it fair to say that this is the most up in the air unit on this team? (Units being: QB/RBs/TEs/WRs/OL/DL/DBs/LBs)
And does it seem that a lot of the Browns success for that unit must rely on the two rookies?
Or, do you think we are solid with Gennard, Kirksey, Schobert?
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Ag has been "blocking" for Henry for three years running... ?
Yes I have and finally he has a coach who actually understands what he has and used him properly the 2nd half of the season. The other guy got replaced because he didn't get it.
Just saying if we are not properly prepared for this guy, he will kill us. But we have a Bama player coaching us and I guarantee he gets it. We will be prepared for a full game from Henry. I expect a lot of substitution to keep people fresh to handle what he brings.
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Ag has been "blocking" for Henry for three years running... ?
Yes I have and finally he has a coach who actually understands what he has and used him properly the 2nd half of the season. The other guy got replaced because he didn't get it.
Just saying if we are not properly prepared for this guy, he will kill us. But we have a Bama player coaching us and I guarantee he gets it. We will be prepared for a full game from Henry. I expect a lot of substitution to keep people fresh to handle what he brings.
Yes I have and finally he has a coach who actually understands what he has and used him properly the 2nd half of the season. The other guy got replaced because he didn't get it.
FYI...that coach that he has...Vrabel. His dad coached football at my high school.
Just saying if we are not properly prepared for this guy, he will kill us. But we have a Bama player coaching us and I guarantee he gets it. We will be prepared for a full game from Henry. I expect a lot of substitution to keep people fresh to handle what he brings.
Don't see how having a Bama guys means he gets it any more than if he were from anywhere else. And if the Browns are not prepared for a full time game agains the the run...any decent RB would kill us. This guy just happens to be the first guy they face. Historically, the Browns have done far worse against the second man they will face: L. Bell.
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Early camp LB insight from Burns.. https://expo.cleveland.com/sports/g66l-2019/07/7f3f3658143355/6-insights-about-the-cleveland-browns-linebacker-situation.html
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Wilson was the best power5 LB in the draft in pass coverage last college season.. should translate to early PT for him given the gaping maw in that category for Kirksey. Given that Kirksey's most positive PFF ratings against the pass came when he was used to rush the passer.. here's my early .02 suggesting that it's Kirksey who gives way to Wilson by midseason.
Schobert thru game10 last season - was pretty good at least at passD.
Here's hoping Joe's season3 could be good at both passpro and not missing tackles.. sometimes even on the same play.
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I'm heading up to camp this morning, and am curious about the LBs. Mack Wilson in particular.
It's pretty clear to me that the D is the key. If the Browns offense stays healthy, they should be able to put up points.
I'm heading up to camp this morning, and am curious about the LBs. Mack Wilson in particular.
It's pretty clear to me that the D is the key. If the Browns offense stays healthy, they should be able to put up points.
looking forward to your opinions on what you saw ? can't be any worse than our media! have fun
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I continue to be amazed at how much shit Collins, arguably our most productive LB the past three years, gets.
As for the LB position... yes, it is key... but then I think it is always key.
For starters they are the de-facto QBs of the D. Then they are the mops that clean up any mess the DL creates. Then, more than any other position group have to balance great run D with great pass D. The latter including effective pressuring of the QB beginning with great disguise.
It's the most demanding room on the D-side... and the room that underachieved the most last season. If I had to name one area that must improve, it would be PAP recognition.
If our D is to go to the next level, then it falls on our LBs to take us there.
I continue to be amazed at how much shit Collins, arguably our most productive LB the past three years, gets.
As for the LB position... yes, it is key... but then I think it is always key.
For starters they are the de-facto QBs of the D. Then they are the mops that clean up any mess the DL creates. Then, more than any other position group have to balance great run D with great pass D. The latter including effective pressuring of the QB beginning with great disguise.
It's the most demanding room on the D-side... and the room that underachieved the most last season. If I had to name one area that must improve, it would be PAP recognition.
If our D is to go to the next level, then it falls on our LBs to take us there.
Well said! I guess all those guys proclaiming Bill Belicheck knows exactly when to cut a guy loose started hanging out with ostriches the day Belicheck re-signed Collins.
IMO, 1 thing people continued to lose sight of throughout last season was how banged up we were at LB. When starters weren't out injured, they played injured. As much as I want to say so what it's part of the game - this was a team coming off 0-16 football that couldn't afford the injury situation to our LBer Corp. Adding insult to injury, that Defensive Line only had 1 reliable DE (Garrett) and 1 reliable DT (Ogunjobi) while the other DT and DE often got rag-dolled. The combination of Ogunjobi and Garrett pass rushing Brees and Roethlisberger from the same side seemed too good to be true; and we learned soon enough - it was. People can blame the LBers all they want; but how many LBer Corps can succeed when offensive lines are consistently imposing their will on half of the defensive line in front of them?
1-2 weeks before we played SD, Philip Rivers said Schobert was one of the toughest LBers to throw at. He gave him oxymoronic praise in calling him a pain in the asss to challenge. Understanding the MLB was responsible for both hook zones the last time they met in 2017 while Peppers was lining up at Safety in another area code - it was significant praise. It only made sense that Schobert was injured and inactive when our defense failed to challenge Rivers in 2018.
Just like RBs and QBs need a line in front of them in order to experience consistent success - the same holds true with our LBers. If we can keep our front 4 healthy this year, I think we have the personnel and experience to be successful at LBer. I'm not saying they're ready to be superstars; but did NE have any Superstars at LBer when they won the SB last year? No, they just had solid LBer play significantly helped by the dline in front of them.
The additions the FO made this off season should help as well as getting some guys back healthy!
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Game one and this is who we have to deal with. The new coach at Tenn realized halfway through the season exactly what I saw coming into the league, my favorite underutilized (until last year) player. Funny that they use that old Browns' term to describe him, Jim Brown. He will be the first test for this newly formed LB crew.
Game one and this is who we have to deal with. The new coach at Tenn realized halfway through the season exactly what I saw coming into the league, my favorite underutilized (until last year) player. Funny that they use that old Browns' term to describe him, Jim Brown. He will be the first test for this newly formed LB crew.
It's a good thing he woke up before Rip Van Winkle and former 1st round disappointment - Chance Warmack . People were beginning to wonder why he was having trouble getting more work load than Dion Lewis half way into his 3rd NFL season. Lucky for him, he contacted Eddie George for input/feedback of what was holding him back and he began playing like the RB TN expected him to be.
Good thing too because your buddy Flugel was getting too fat to hide from his prediction Henry would be a great back considering they got him in round 2.
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I'm heading up to camp this morning, and am curious about the LBs. Mack Wilson in particular.
It's pretty clear to me that the D is the key. If the Browns offense stays healthy, they should be able to put up points.
looking forward to your opinions on what you saw ? can't be any worse than our media! have fun
looking forward to your opinions on what you saw ? can't be any worse than our media! have fun
Well I got there around 950am, the place was absolutely packed!! So I wasn't as close as I'd like to be to the action. I didn't know the doors open at 830, so get there early if you go.
#9, QB from Purdue named Blough looked pretty good. Yeah, I know he's not seeing the field unless there's a disaster, but he's got a nice arm. The new punter in camp absolutely booms it (Gillam).
So sadly, I didn't get a close look at the LBs like I wanted to. Too far away, blocked by rows of many people.
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I continue to be amazed at how much shit Collins, arguably our most productive LB the past three years, gets.
As for the LB position... yes, it is key... but then I think it is always key.
For starters they are the de-facto QBs of the D. Then they are the mops that clean up any mess the DL creates. Then, more than any other position group have to balance great run D with great pass D. The latter including effective pressuring of the QB beginning with great disguise.
It's the most demanding room on the D-side... and the room that underachieved the most last season. If I had to name one area that must improve, it would be PAP recognition.
If our D is to go to the next level, then it falls on our LBs to take us there.
I continue to be amazed at how much shit Collins, arguably our most productive LB the past three years, gets
^^^^this
collins is back with NE....which speaks volumes.
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^^^^this
collins is back with NE....which speaks volumes.
Who needs to even watch football any more when Pro Football Focus (PFF) has all the answers? Should I volunteer to tell Bill Belicheck how much time he's wasting especially when PFF has all the answers he can't possibly come up with himself? Can you imagine some smart asss waterboy in NE correcting Belicheck with "That's not what Pro Football Focus says?"
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^^^^this
collins is back with NE....which speaks volumes.
Who needs to even watch football any more when Pro Football Focus (PFF) has all the answers? Should I volunteer to tell Bill Belicheck how much time he's wasting especially when PFF has all the answers he can't possibly come up with himself? Can you imagine some smart asss waterboy in NE correcting Belicheck with "That's not what Pro Football Focus says?"
Can you imagine some smart asss waterboy in NE correcting Belicheck with "That's not what Pro Football Focus says?"
did someone call for the ...aka...the psi snatcher
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^^^^this
collins is back with NE....which speaks volumes.
Collins had moments, Like the alligator arm interception attempt very late in the game against the Raiders, that made it look like he was here for the check only.
He was the most experienced and talented LB, he just didn’t play the hardest here.
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Game one and this is who we have to deal with. The new coach at Tenn realized halfway through the season exactly what I saw coming into the league, my favorite underutilized (until last year) player. Funny that they use that old Browns' term to describe him, Jim Brown. He will be the first test for this newly formed LB crew.
It's a good thing he woke up before Rip Van Winkle and former 1st round disappointment - Chance Warmack . People were beginning to wonder why he was having trouble getting more work load than Dion Lewis half way into his 3rd NFL season. Lucky for him, he contacted Eddie George for input/feedback of what was holding him back and he began playing like the RB TN expected him to be.
Good thing too because your buddy Flugel was getting too fat to hide from his prediction Henry would be a great back considering they got him in round 2.
Good thing too because your buddy Flugel was getting too fat to hide from his prediction Henry would be a great back considering they got him in round 2.
Always good to have a foxhole buddy you can count on. I wanted Henry for the Browns from day 1. Smart of him to talk to a similar back like Eddy George.?
But I also wanted one of either Michel or Chubb, so I'm happy.?
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^^^^this
collins is back with NE....which speaks volumes.
Who needs to even watch football any more when Pro Football Focus (PFF) has all the answers? Should I volunteer to tell Bill Belicheck how much time he's wasting especially when PFF has all the answers he can't possibly come up with himself? Can you imagine some smart asss waterboy in NE correcting Belicheck with "That's not what Pro Football Focus says?"
Who needs to even watch football any more when Pro Football Focus (PFF) has all the answers? Should I volunteer to tell Bill Belicheck how much time he's wasting especially when PFF has all the answers he can't possibly come up with himself? Can you imagine some smart asss waterboy in NE correcting Belicheck with "That's not what Pro Football Focus says?"
^^^^^this
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^^^^this
collins is back with NE....which speaks volumes.
Collins had moments, Like the alligator arm interception attempt very late in the game against the Raiders, that made it look like he was here for the check only.
He was the most experienced and talented LB, he just didn’t play the hardest here.
Collins had moments, Like the alligator arm interception attempt very late in the game against the Raiders, that made it look like he was here for the check only.
He was the most experienced and talented LB, he just didn’t play the hardest here.
i understand parting ways with him if he was really adamant about not taking even a slight pay cut....but if the browns way undercut him than i understand. We have way too many pieces we need to pay. But too many people here were completely dismissive of him when he was let go....and i knew better.
i hinestly think we'll be good as long as schobert and kirk stay healthy. If either one of those guys or god forbid both of them...get hurt.....we're in trouble defensively. Especially schobert....the D line seems to be in love with tge young jewish boy. Bith vernon and garrett have spoken on joe and how important tgey think he is...
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no the LB's are not the golden key for the D. the base D for wilks this year is going to be a 4-2-5 so the key is going to be the DB's they will have to cover well and the most important part of the 2019 browns will be the DB's ability to help in run support.
if they dont do a good job in run support the browns will struggle against the run ....... see the 2018 cardinals run D and shield your eyes/
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no the LB's are not the golden key for the D. the base D for wilks this year is going to be a 4-2-5 so the key is going to be the DB's they will have to cover well and the most important part of the 2019 browns will be the DB's ability to help in run support.
if they dont do a good job in run support the browns will struggle against the run ....... see the 2018 cardinals run D and shield your eyes/
no the LB's are not the golden key for the D. the base D for wilks this year is going to be a 4-2-5 so the key is going to be the DB's they will have to cover well and the most important part of the 2019 browns will be the DB's ability to help in run support.
if they dont do a good job in run support the browns will struggle against the run ....... see the 2018 cardinals run D and shield your eyes/
doesn't that depend on what offense they are facing? they would not run the 4-2-5 against some offenses, I think.
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