Tiamat's 2019 training camp observations, thoughts, ramblings (who the hell knows at this point?)
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Hilliard. He's more than just a 'serviceable' back. The kid could start in a pinch and I wouldn't be scared. He runs patient, smooth and determined. As some would say a very 'intelligent' runner.
Remember Ogbo (Ogbonnaya)? He was a very smart RB. Good blocker, always knew who and where to block, a good receiving back and knew how to be open, ran smart. - Can Hilliard block?
...good to hear Higgins is doing well. We need a solid 3rd receiver. He's gotta stay healthy though.
Remember Ogbo (Ogbonnaya)? He was a very smart RB. Good blocker, always knew who and where to block, a good receiving back and knew how to be open, ran smart. - Can Hilliard block?
...good to hear Higgins is doing well. We need a solid 3rd receiver. He's gotta stay healthy though.
I remember Obby. Had the misfortune of playing for Shurmur.
Hilliard can block, otherwise he wouldn't be getting the snaps in this offense that he has.
Higgy is more than solid. Might have legit fantasy value.
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Remember Ogbo (Ogbonnaya)? He was a very smart RB. Good blocker, always knew who and where to block, a good receiving back and knew how to be open, ran smart. - Can Hilliard block?
...good to hear Higgins is doing well. We need a solid 3rd receiver. He's gotta stay healthy though.
I remember Obby. Had the misfortune of playing for Shurmur.
Hilliard can block, otherwise he wouldn't be getting the snaps in this offense that he has.
Higgy is more than solid. Might have legit fantasy value.
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If Corbett's not starting any time soon, how about getting a 4th, 5th from Minn or Seattle?
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
I don't think I have ever been more pissed about a draft pick (MISS!) than Corey Coleman over Mike Thomas!!! AAAARRRRGGGGHHH!!!!!!
I hate being reminded of that day.
Mike
More than the night the Browns traded up to take Johnny Football?
That was the night I almost became a Packers fan.
More than the night the Browns traded up to take Johnny Football?
That was the night I almost became a Packers fan.
Was asked to leave Smokey Bones in Mentor after (drunkenly) MF'ing everyone up and down the bar who cheered the pick. Not my finest hour, but jokes on them - i was right.
Callaway gives the Browns the ability to open up the top of the defense, his ability to produce is important. Maybe not vital, but important.
Landry and Higgins are more the move-the-chain guys, and OBJ is a spectacular talent when he's actually on the field. Callaway gives the Browns explosiveness in the pass game.
Callaway can be a vertical and YAC threat... If he actually catches the ball.
I was listening to NFL Radio yesterday and they were discussion Njoku needing to improve his catching for balls coming in below the waste. They say he is excellent at getting open and catching anything high, but still drops the low ones in practice more often than not, especially on crossing routes over the middle. Hopefully Baker figures this out too and sends 'em high every time he's targeted.
I can see that. But then again most players his size could be tagged the same. Of course it helps that when Baker isn't right on he tends to put the ball a little high. Benefits having receivers with a plus catch radius.
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If Corbett's not starting any time soon, how about getting a 4th, 5th from Minn or Seattle?
If Corbett's not starting any time soon, how about getting a 4th, 5th from Minn or Seattle?
*shrugs* the article in the other camp thread has Corbett projected as RG1. Which, by some miracle happens, will be near a Cam Erving level head scratcher for me.
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Great insight into what is going on in camp. I really hope Callaway can fix his drop issues. He is a vital part of the offense.
I saw on ESPN that Baker had some issues with the #1 receivers. Something about them not working back towards the ball. What a leader we got, man.
Callaway gives the Browns the ability to open up the top of the defense, his ability to produce is important. Maybe not vital, but important.
Landry and Higgins are more the move-the-chain guys, and OBJ is a spectacular talent when he's actually on the field. Callaway gives the Browns explosiveness in the pass game.
Callaway gives the Browns the ability to open up the top of the defense, his ability to produce is important. Maybe not vital, but important.
Landry and Higgins are more the move-the-chain guys, and OBJ is a spectacular talent when he's actually on the field. Callaway gives the Browns explosiveness in the pass game.
Higgins and Landry have reliable hands, and OBJ is spectacular.. I am aware.
Anybody can get sidelined. AC11 is the next man up, so his development and catching the damn ball is very important
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If Corbett's not starting any time soon, how about getting a 4th, 5th from Minn or Seattle?
*shrugs* the article in the other camp thread has Corbett projected as RG1. Which, by some miracle happens, will be near a Cam Erving level head scratcher for me.
*shrugs* the article in the other camp thread has Corbett projected as RG1. Which, by some miracle happens, will be near a Cam Erving level head scratcher for me.
Please make it stop! Too many names in this thread like Coleman, Erving and JF!
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Callaway gives the Browns the ability to open up the top of the defense, his ability to produce is important. Maybe not vital, but important.
Landry and Higgins are more the move-the-chain guys, and OBJ is a spectacular talent when he's actually on the field. Callaway gives the Browns explosiveness in the pass game.
Higgins and Landry have reliable hands, and OBJ is spectacular.. I am aware.
Anybody can get sidelined. AC11 is the next man up, so his development and catching the damn ball is very important
Higgins and Landry have reliable hands, and OBJ is spectacular.. I am aware.
Anybody can get sidelined. AC11 is the next man up, so his development and catching the damn ball is very important
I think the kid will be fine. Apparently came to camp a little out of shape, but he's surrounded by real PROS in the WR room, so I feel he'll mature & come around.
Mike
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This has nothing to do with training camp but it's some insight for those interested in getting to understand football scheme a lot more. There are some intermediate and higher level concepts being explained here, but done so in a way that will make sense. Added Bonus: The man doing the breakdown is one of my all time favorite Buckeye DB's (Only behind Chris Gamble) and one of my favorite safeties in the NFL - Malcolm Jenkins.
The discussion starting at 0:15 with "inverted half'. Inverted is when the safeties stack down low and the corners are now back or drop into the hash responsibility that was previously the safeties job. Inverted cover 2 was a staple for the Steelers during most of the 2000's. Remember Larry Fitz roasting their secondary to put the Cardinals ahead in the SuperBowl? IIRC, that was off inverted cover 2. This is a good lesson in how defenses prioritize route threats - I.E. which route combinations they're expecting vs what the defense shows. In this case, MJ says he's looking to take away the '7'... universally that's known as a flag or bench route To Diggs.
If you're wondering why the defensive alignment and zone drop to outside leverage by the safety...? it's to help the DB over the top focus on playing vertical and inside breaking routes without worrying about being beaten to the outside boundary - because his defensive help, in this case Malcolm, is there.
Just a great clip all around from one of my all time favorites. Very much worth a watch even for higher level football I.Q.'s.
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That is one smart player there. Love how he bates throws to "open" receivers. It's an art form. There is a kid now going into 10th grade here who is one of the most talented players I've ever seen and mostly plays QB. But at times he will come in as a CB. In a close game the other team's WR was making toast out of the normal CB for catch after catch all the way down the field, but when they got to the 10 this kid asked my son to put him in with the statement, "I'll take it from him and run it back for a TD coach." He put him in and it looked like he was beaten, but just as the QB started to let it fly he broke from deep behind the receiver, stepped in front as the ball got there and scored on a 100+ yd. TD. He was watching the eyes and the arm and as soon as the QB had reached that point of no return, just sprinted to the spot he knew it would be. Amazingly smart to set that QB up into throwing a "sure" TD.
BTW he loves OSU. I still get a word in about A&M when I go see him play though.?
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I don't think I have ever been more pissed about a draft pick (MISS!) than Corey Coleman over Mike Thomas!!! AAAARRRRGGGGHHH!!!!!!
I hate being reminded of that day.
Mike
More than the night the Browns traded up to take Johnny Football?
That was the night I almost became a Packers fan.
More than the night the Browns traded up to take Johnny Football?
As soon as it was announced that we'd traded up I said, "Oh Fuck!"
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
More than the night the Browns traded up to take Johnny Football?
As soon as it was announced that we'd traded up I said, "Oh Fuck!"
As soon as it was announced that we'd traded up I said, "Oh Fuck!"
With the first pick in the 2017 NFL draft the Cleveland Browns take from Texas A&M..............................
With the first pick in the 2018 NFL draft the Cleveland Browns take from Oklahoma................................
I think I'm cured now. ??
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This rookie defense seems to be loaded. Greedy, Redwine, Wilson, Taki.. who knows which one will step in and make an impact.
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On that drive and from the notes.
- Kush your RG
- Hilliard looks solid
- Higgy is THE MAN.
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Posted in the game day thread but Chad Thomas looked explosive with a QB pressures and a QB hit on one drive
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Posted in the game day thread but Chad Thomas looked explosive with a QB pressures and a QB hit on one drive
Posted in the game day thread but Chad Thomas looked explosive with a QB pressures and a QB hit on one drive
Also something in camp that was evident in drills. Didnt see it in 11's though. So that was a nice surprise.
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This rookie defense seems to be loaded. Greedy, Redwine, Wilson, Taki.. who knows which one will step in and make an impact.
This rookie defense seems to be loaded. Greedy, Redwine, Wilson, Taki.. who knows which one will step in and make an impact.
It's Wilson. After watching his play I have no doubt. He was my hope for 3rd round pick and I could not believe he was still there for us in the 5th. STEAL!
Taki now has a lot to prove and that's a great motivator for real competitors.?
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Warning: long winded post incoming.
First and foremost, I just saw that this thread was near 2100 views. Can't say enough on how much I appreciate you guys taking the time to read, digest and respond to my content. It does, and will continue to mean, a great deal to me.
So I'm going to offer my thoughts on the pre-season games in this thread. Aside from the random chime-ins during the regular season game threads, most of my work is going to be focused elsewhere. (More on that later)
Going to toot my own horn here just a little Buuuuuut - the early things I feel I hit on from my time at camp.
- Kush/Kalis as the 1a 1b guards
- Higgins is and will be The Man.
- Wanted early tempo for Baker. Got it right off rip with the opening drive. I didn't expect it to be THAT early.
- Sans fumble Hilliard will reward the faith Dorsey has shown in him as a runner and pass catcher.
- Callaway dropping down the depth chart
- Chad Thomas. Saw the potential in drills but he had a couple flashes last night. Unexpected and refreshing.
- Corbett is.... Well, who he is.
- Chris Smith is making this roster.
From last night:
Please, keep Guiseppi. The way the team and the fans responded to him was special. That's the kind of thing that bonds men in the locker room and endears the fans to the players.
We need more net PR yards. Better field position leads to offensive production, helps setup easier situations for our still shakey kicking game and even the defense as well when we punt or have a turnover. The rest of pre-season will be huge for the kid, but the door is open.
- Callaway either wasn't giving full stride when vertical or he has a tweaked hammy. A couple nice sideline catches though. The almost TD probably would have been a TD had the initial call not be ruled incomplete. But my concern with him will always be the concern I had with Corey Coleman... The routine catches.
- Deveroe Lawrence. That boy quick. But don't get too excited. The Skins Oline isnt very good and his sack was a complete bust in protection. When you get a back on a 290lb lineman, then somebody has fucked up somewhere.
- Mack Wilson. Good sideline to sideline range and feel for the route in front of him. His eyes take him to the ball and he doesn't have much wasted motion or false steps. Not crowning him breakout but im excited for more.
Wilks - won't confirm until Wednesday when the tape is out. But i feel like i saw a great deal of cover 4. Felt Vic Fangio-esque. The Bears (now Denver) played a fair amount of pattern matching C4 from various looks. If that is Wilks staple, then it explains the type of player our staff has targetted for safety. Converted corners such as Randall and Red wine.
- Myles may actually kill a man on the field. Im not joking.
- Coley and Smith at 2nd team is what this team needs and shows the talent increase. Our depth is finally shaping into NFL quality talent.
- without seeing the tape, Greedy thought it was either cover 2 or 6 to his side as the roll/flat defender. It wasn't and that's what you get - a rookie whose head is moving a mile a minute and still learning to make the calls second nature during live action.
More on the defense when the coaches tape is available.
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Warning: long winded post incoming.
First and foremost, I just saw that this thread was near 2100 views. Can't say enough on how much I appreciate you guys taking the time to read, digest and respond to my content. It does, and will continue to mean, a great deal to me.
So I'm going to offer my thoughts on the pre-season games in this thread. Aside from the random chime-ins during the regular season game threads, most of my work is going to be focused elsewhere. (More on that later)
Going to toot my own horn here just a little Buuuuuut - the early things I feel I hit on from my time at camp.
- Kush/Kalis as the 1a 1b guards
- Higgins is and will be The Man.
- Wanted early tempo for Baker. Got it right off rip with the opening drive. I didn't expect it to be THAT early.
- Sans fumble Hilliard will reward the faith Dorsey has shown in him as a runner and pass catcher.
- Callaway dropping down the depth chart
- Chad Thomas. Saw the potential in drills but he had a couple flashes last night. Unexpected and refreshing.
- Corbett is.... Well, who he is.
- Chris Smith is making this roster.
From last night:
Please, keep Guiseppi. The way the team and the fans responded to him was special. That's the kind of thing that bonds men in the locker room and endears the fans to the players.
We need more net PR yards. Better field position leads to offensive production, helps setup easier situations for our still shakey kicking game and even the defense as well when we punt or have a turnover. The rest of pre-season will be huge for the kid, but the door is open.
- Callaway either wasn't giving full stride when vertical or he has a tweaked hammy. A couple nice sideline catches though. The almost TD probably would have been a TD had the initial call not be ruled incomplete. But my concern with him will always be the concern I had with Corey Coleman... The routine catches.
- Deveroe Lawrence. That boy quick. But don't get too excited. The Skins Oline isnt very good and his sack was a complete bust in protection. When you get a back on a 290lb lineman, then somebody has fucked up somewhere.
- Mack Wilson. Good sideline to sideline range and feel for the route in front of him. His eyes take him to the ball and he doesn't have much wasted motion or false steps. Not crowning him breakout but im excited for more.
Wilks - won't confirm until Wednesday when the tape is out. But i feel like i saw a great deal of cover 4. Felt Vic Fangio-esque. The Bears (now Denver) played a fair amount of pattern matching C4 from various looks. If that is Wilks staple, then it explains the type of player our staff has targetted for safety. Converted corners such as Randall and Red wine.
- Myles may actually kill a man on the field. Im not joking.
- Coley and Smith at 2nd team is what this team needs and shows the talent increase. Our depth is finally shaping into NFL quality talent.
- without seeing the tape, Greedy thought it was either cover 2 or 6 to his side as the roll/flat defender. It wasn't and that's what you get - a rookie whose head is moving a mile a minute and still learning to make the calls second nature during live action.
More on the defense when the coaches tape is available.
- Myles may actually kill a man on the field. Im not joking.
Honestly, right there at the beginning when he just blew by the tackle (who could only hold him lest get Keenum murdered) I just thought to myself "that's not fair". He's going to cost us a few off sides calls, but I feel you on this one. Very JJ Watt esque out there.
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