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  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    That is a good point but the mass shootings today are so horrific unlike anything we have ever seen. 

    What is creating monsters like we have seen who can so easily kill so many innocent people? From my perspective as a Christian I believe it is demonic. 

    There ya go guys. It's Satan's fault. Case closed

    @mld-woody said:

    There ya go guys. It's Satan's fault. Case closed

    Sorry Woody but "the devil made me do it" doesn't work as an argument. Nobody is forced  to listen to or act on demonic influences except for rare cases of demon possession.

  • OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan

    @mld-woody said:

    There ya go guys. It's Satan's fault. Case closed

    Sorry Woody but "the devil made me do it" doesn't work as an argument. Nobody is forced  to listen to or act on demonic influences except for rare cases of demon possession.

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    Sorry Woody but "the devil made me do it" doesn't work as an argument. Nobody is forced  to listen to or act on demonic influences except for rare cases of demon possession.

    Part of me wants to keep this going for the entertainment value but it's just not worth it today

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    Sorry Woody but "the devil made me do it" doesn't work as an argument. Nobody is forced  to listen to or act on demonic influences except for rare cases of demon possession.

    Part of me wants to keep this going for the entertainment value but it's just not worth it today

    @mld-woody said:

    Part of me wants to keep this going for the entertainment value but it's just not worth it today

    IE...I usually show my ignorance by commenting on spiritual matters which I know nothing about...

  • OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan

    Let's start with some honesty. Unless you can get all of the nearly 400 million guns out of circulation in the United States you are not going to stop the gun violence. If you want to be accurate let's say "reduce the gun violence" because that is the best realistically you are going to achieve. I would go further and say how do we reduce gun violence without infringing on gun rights of law abiding citizens?

    One of the first questions I would want to address is why is there so much gun violence today when it wasn't that way 50 years ago? The availability of guns is not the answer because guns were even more easily accessible 50 years ago and they weren't experiencing an epidemic of mass shootings. So that can't be it. 

    Banning some semi automatics didn't work in the 90's when Clinton did it so why would we expect it to work now? 

    I would go with harsher punishments for those breaking gun laws we already have on the books. I don't pretend it will stop the gun violence but at least it goes after the law breakers instead of punishing law abiding citizens by taking away their gun rights (in a futile effort to stop lawbreakers like most gun control measures talked about will do).

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    Let's start with some honesty. Unless you can get all of the nearly 400 million guns out of circulation in the United States you are not going to stop the gun violence. If you want to be accurate let's say "reduce the gun violence" because that is the best realistically you are going to achieve. I would go further and say how do we reduce gun violence without infringing on gun rights of law abiding citizens?

    One of the first questions I would want to address is why is there so much gun violence today when it wasn't that way 50 years ago? The availability of guns is not the answer because guns were even more easily accessible 50 years ago and they weren't experiencing an epidemic of mass shootings. So that can't be it. 

    Banning some semi automatics didn't work in the 90's when Clinton did it so why would we expect it to work now? 

    I would go with harsher punishments for those breaking gun laws we already have on the books. I don't pretend it will stop the gun violence but at least it goes after the law breakers instead of punishing law abiding citizens by taking away their gun rights (in a futile effort to stop lawbreakers like most gun control measures talked about will do).

    There was plenty of gun violence 50 years ago. There were spree killers like Charles starkweather and there were Mass shooters like Charles Whitman. Then there were the regular old shoot em ups that still happen in bars and regular city streets today. There were armed robberies and murder suicides and gang related shootings. None of this is new. 

    The difference is there's millions, maybe hundreds of millions more people now making the same percentages of violence SEEM greater and also news travels much faster and is no longer a largely regional affair.  

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
  • T The Cysko Kid

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    Let's start with some honesty. Unless you can get all of the nearly 400 million guns out of circulation in the United States you are not going to stop the gun violence. If you want to be accurate let's say "reduce the gun violence" because that is the best realistically you are going to achieve. I would go further and say how do we reduce gun violence without infringing on gun rights of law abiding citizens?

    One of the first questions I would want to address is why is there so much gun violence today when it wasn't that way 50 years ago? The availability of guns is not the answer because guns were even more easily accessible 50 years ago and they weren't experiencing an epidemic of mass shootings. So that can't be it. 

    Banning some semi automatics didn't work in the 90's when Clinton did it so why would we expect it to work now? 

    I would go with harsher punishments for those breaking gun laws we already have on the books. I don't pretend it will stop the gun violence but at least it goes after the law breakers instead of punishing law abiding citizens by taking away their gun rights (in a futile effort to stop lawbreakers like most gun control measures talked about will do).

    There was plenty of gun violence 50 years ago. There were spree killers like Charles starkweather and there were Mass shooters like Charles Whitman. Then there were the regular old shoot em ups that still happen in bars and regular city streets today. There were armed robberies and murder suicides and gang related shootings. None of this is new. 

    The difference is there's millions, maybe hundreds of millions more people now making the same percentages of violence SEEM greater and also news travels much faster and is no longer a largely regional affair.  

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    There was plenty of gun violence 50 years ago. There were spree killers like Charles starkweather and there were Mass shooters like Charles Whitman. Then there were the regular old shoot em ups that still happen in bars and regular city streets today. There were armed robberies and murder suicides and gang related shootings. None of this is new. 

    The difference is there's millions, maybe hundreds of millions more people now making the same percentages of violence SEEM greater and also news travels much faster and is no longer a largely regional affair.  

    We have always had gun violence but nothing like this. Not like what we are seeing now. There are more senseless shootings today like the school shootings which are a more recent phenomenon. Scores of people have been shot in churches, malls, movie theaters, concerts like the one in Las Vegas etc..not for any type of robbery but senseless shootings. 

    Whitman is an example of a senseless shooting but it was not common back then. His type of case was rare and later we found he had a brain tumor that may or may not have influenced his behavior. 

  • That has been a thing throughout modern history as you can easily find out on Google. Before Whitman there was Unruh. It's more common now, maybe, but I bet lots of different other types of murders have gone down quite a bit. Serial murders...way down. What has been typically thought of as starkweather type spree killing lumped into mass shootings. Gangland shootings, always a problem rarely noticed by the gentler people - lumped into mass shootings. Family killings - again, always a thing, lumped into mass shootings. A lot of this is done so that there can be screaming headlines that say "276 MASS SHOOTINGS IN AMERICA IN 2019" 

    That headline makes it sound like there were 276 El Paso indiscriminate public shootings when that's not actually the case. 

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...

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  • My all time favorite cartoon. I need to go find my books of them and reread them.

    truly brilliant stuff. Calvin and Hobbes !

  • I will not deny that “mass shootings” have increased. 
    I am also in favor of responsibly vetted and gun ownership laws and legislation.
    I am not sure that citizens need access to high volume magazines and rounds that would be considered “military grade” (if that is even a thing because I am no gun expert).
    I am also considering getting my CCW, so understand where I am coming from.

    What is unfortunate is that this has turned into a very emotional debate and one that has its political sides.  However, as a society, we tend to ignore logic, facts, and run with the our political sides before we weigh on a subject as serious as this.

    It was either late last year or early this year I did some research form a .GOV website comparing death statistics in the U.S. And this was actually something that Neil Degrasse Tyson was trying to point out but came under the backlash of twitter and other social devices because again, people throw out, logic, over emotions and politics. 

    In this country, alcohol related deaths nearly triple gun related deaths.  Now keep in mind, gun related means all deaths used by guns.  If you remove homicides and other gun deaths and only isolate “Mass shootings” the difference is huge.  The difference is 3 TIMES… So where is the social outcry to legislate or ban alcohol? 

    I would wager that the percentage of responsible gun owners verse responsible drinkers is heavily weighted to the gun owners. 

    Just because a drunk driver doesn’t kill in mass, doesn’t make it any less serious of an issue. 
    Please don’t get bogged down with political rhetoric.  Yes, we have issues, there are potential solutions.  But gun control isn’t the only issue in this country. 

  • the left couldn't care less about suicides, for example. It isn't a hot button political power gain issue.

    Suicide is a major national public health issue in the United States. In 2016, there were 44,965 recorded suicides, up from 42,773 in 2014, according to the CDC's National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS).

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        I believe risky damaging behavior and social media are two major problems causing stress, depression, and percieved alienation. No moral compass, no principles or beliefs - only their own emotions guide them. not good.

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