Browns LBs - key to the defense taking a giant leap forward?
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For me the key can be found in missed tackles. We get that number down and we will improve. I don't know if it was the coaching, or going for turnovers thus making players tackle in a different way.
Only thing I know is that Peppers was the only consistent good tackler and for examplw Greedy has some question marks.
Let's hope we have a well-rounded defense. I don't ask for a top 10 defense, I think that if the team is balanced and doesn't rely too much on either side of the ball we can have a nice season.
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The additon of Sheldon Richardson and Vernon have the Browns D-Line in the top 5 discussion. Add that to Larry Ogunjobi. DLine is the strength, imo.
I would rank our corners and secondary above the linebackers with Ward, Mitchell, Carrie, Greedy, D. Randall, and Eric Murray. That is a LOT of talent in the secondary.
I wouldn't expect much out of the rookie LBs right away, however; they are stepping into a welcoming situation with a bolstered defense.
DL is solid. CB very decent. LBs only mediocre. But why do I get the feeling the D will be better without Williams freaking out all the time?
DL is solid. CB very decent. LBs only mediocre. But why do I get the feeling the D will be better without Williams freaking out all the time?
DL is solid today but it was far from solid in 2018. Garrett and Ogunjobi were very reliable and fun to watch; but that's only 50% of a man front. The other 2 starters got rag-dolled in the running game. When that happens upfront, while your entire LBer Corps is either injured or playing injured.
At CB, when Mitchell and Ward were injured - their backups also got injured
At LBer, we lost Kirksey (which some felt was no big deal regardless of who replaced him). We lost Schobert for a stretch of games and when he returned to play through an injured hammy - he clearly lost a step. When he was healthy in 2017 he made the Pro Bowl. I'm not aiming this at you Ice; but Schobert is only 26 years old so why are people in here trying to race him out of town? The guy has already played 2 different LBer positions for 3 different Coordinators/Defenses. Now he's going to play for his 4th DC/Defense so there's going to be learning curves. Again, the last learning curve and position change ended with a Pro Bowl honor. That doesn't suck nearly as much as changing the defense and it's Coordinators all the time. Schobert & Kirksey have gone from Jimmy O'Neill to Ray Horton to Gregg Williams to Steve Wilks. That'snot going to make them look like the 85 bears LBer Corps overnight. That said, I'm hoping we experience some pay off for their experience volumes in the sense they have accumulated some film room pre-snap keys that make them play faster than wide eyed rookies. I think the bigger challenge facing our LBer Corps has been keeping healthy. 1 way to do that is bring in better talent on the defensive line, which was addressed this off-season.
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Burns 4-2-5 focus at scrimmage https://expo.cleveland.com/sports/g66l-2019/08/2934842ac25285/orange-and-brown-scrimmage-how-the-425-alignment-will-help-the-defense-improve.html from same day, eyes of differant writer..to cover a TE still a work in progress https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/08/orange-brown-scrimmage-defensive-report-mack-wilson-shines-te-coverage-struggles.html so sure, teams get better at camp with coaches hammering assignments. we now have those coaches imho..the coaching talent awaits, right there with being coachable
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Good article on Mack and Taki.
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and Taki is fast.... it'll be cool one day to see Wilson take the field. He is also very fast.
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and Taki is fast.... it'll be cool one day to see Wilson take the field. He is also very fast.
and Taki is fast.... it'll be cool one day to see Wilson take the field. He is also very fast.
And I like that they both have something to prove, Taki that he deserved such a high drafting and Wilson that he didn't deserve being passed over so long. I like that about both and they are obviously in that boat together supporting one another.?
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DL is solid. CB very decent. LBs only mediocre. But why do I get the feeling the D will be better without Williams freaking out all the time?
DL is solid today but it was far from solid in 2018. Garrett and Ogunjobi were very reliable and fun to watch; but that's only 50% of a man front. The other 2 starters got rag-dolled in the running game. When that happens upfront, while your entire LBer Corps is either injured or playing injured.
At CB, when Mitchell and Ward were injured - their backups also got injured
At LBer, we lost Kirksey (which some felt was no big deal regardless of who replaced him). We lost Schobert for a stretch of games and when he returned to play through an injured hammy - he clearly lost a step. When he was healthy in 2017 he made the Pro Bowl. I'm not aiming this at you Ice; but Schobert is only 26 years old so why are people in here trying to race him out of town? The guy has already played 2 different LBer positions for 3 different Coordinators/Defenses. Now he's going to play for his 4th DC/Defense so there's going to be learning curves. Again, the last learning curve and position change ended with a Pro Bowl honor. That doesn't suck nearly as much as changing the defense and it's Coordinators all the time. Schobert & Kirksey have gone from Jimmy O'Neill to Ray Horton to Gregg Williams to Steve Wilks. That'snot going to make them look like the 85 bears LBer Corps overnight. That said, I'm hoping we experience some pay off for their experience volumes in the sense they have accumulated some film room pre-snap keys that make them play faster than wide eyed rookies. I think the bigger challenge facing our LBer Corps has been keeping healthy. 1 way to do that is bring in better talent on the defensive line, which was addressed this off-season.
; but Schobert is only 26 years old so why are people in here trying to race him out of town?
I don't get it either. The kid is fast, strong and made huge strides in a very short time playing a new position. As a 34 olb'er he never had to deal with the field marshall duties a mlb'er has to. I've been pretty happy with him the last two years but this will be his 3rd year as a mlb'er...he has to show now he has full command of the field. What's encouraging is that the D line especially, has been very vocal about their feellings for him and they think he's "the one".
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DL is solid. CB very decent. LBs only mediocre. But why do I get the feeling the D will be better without Williams freaking out all the time?
DL is solid today but it was far from solid in 2018. Garrett and Ogunjobi were very reliable and fun to watch; but that's only 50% of a man front. The other 2 starters got rag-dolled in the running game. When that happens upfront, while your entire LBer Corps is either injured or playing injured.
At CB, when Mitchell and Ward were injured - their backups also got injured
At LBer, we lost Kirksey (which some felt was no big deal regardless of who replaced him). We lost Schobert for a stretch of games and when he returned to play through an injured hammy - he clearly lost a step. When he was healthy in 2017 he made the Pro Bowl. I'm not aiming this at you Ice; but Schobert is only 26 years old so why are people in here trying to race him out of town? The guy has already played 2 different LBer positions for 3 different Coordinators/Defenses. Now he's going to play for his 4th DC/Defense so there's going to be learning curves. Again, the last learning curve and position change ended with a Pro Bowl honor. That doesn't suck nearly as much as changing the defense and it's Coordinators all the time. Schobert & Kirksey have gone from Jimmy O'Neill to Ray Horton to Gregg Williams to Steve Wilks. That'snot going to make them look like the 85 bears LBer Corps overnight. That said, I'm hoping we experience some pay off for their experience volumes in the sense they have accumulated some film room pre-snap keys that make them play faster than wide eyed rookies. I think the bigger challenge facing our LBer Corps has been keeping healthy. 1 way to do that is bring in better talent on the defensive line, which was addressed this off-season.
I'm not aiming this at you Ice; but Schobert is only 26 years old so why are people in here trying to race him out of town?
Schobert is very, very, very smart and really instictive. But that can't always cover for not being athletic enough to make all the tackles he missed.
his draft profile makes no sense - Schobert has outworked and outplayed it with a ton of heart.
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/joe-schobert?id=2555166
I don't think he'll get replaced as a starter this year, unless he gets injured, God forbid....
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I'm not aiming this at you Ice; but Schobert is only 26 years old so why are people in here trying to race him out of town?
Schobert is very, very, very smart and really instictive. But that can't always cover for not being athletic enough to make all the tackles he missed.
his draft profile makes no sense - Schobert has outworked and outplayed it with a ton of heart.
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/joe-schobert?id=2555166
I don't think he'll get replaced as a starter this year, unless he gets injured, God forbid....
Schobert is very, very, very smart and really instictive. But that can't always cover for not being athletic enough to make all the tackles he missed.
his draft profile makes no sense - Schobert has outworked and outplayed it with a ton of heart.
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/joe-schobert?id=2555166
I don't think he'll get replaced as a starter this year, unless he gets injured, God forbid....
Cal, I think those missed tackles last year might be an exception to the rule. I'm not worried about him missing tackles when he's healthy. When he played with 2 healthy hamstrings in 2017, he made the Pro Bowl. Another thing about 2018 is 2 of our 4 starting defensive linemen sucked against the run all year long. That's been addressed.
I will say this, when you look at Schobert he doesn't look like an NFL LBer or an elite athlete. I got a real kick out of the reaction he got from his former teammates at Wisconsin in this video
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The one thing perhaps most interesting about this preseason game will be to watch Takitaki and Wilson, along with Greedy and Redwine. I do not believe any are listed as starters, so they should all see quite a bit of action.
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well, after that game last night, it seems to me that the lb's will be the key to the defense taking a giant leap forward.
Adding TakiTaki and Wilson - the lb's played a great game. Mack Wilson? it's a great sign when other teams pass up guys and the Browns know they can be very fine players. I'd say Wilson sure looked like a first round pick.
Taki Taki started, I didn't know that Schobert was not playing due to personal reasons...
that's a tough role for Taki - to start. Seems he really did well. Still, just the first exhibition game, but already, a lot of teams are surely going to regret not drafting Greedy, Wilson and TakiTaki when they had the chance.
Greedy, btw, made a few hammering stops at the los - who the heyl said this kid wasn't much of a tackler?
Teams may have had success throwing to te's and rb's over the middle vs our lb's last couple of years... but Wilson and Taki are in town.
But they still have some learning to do before they start.
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LBs definitely ain’t a weakness anymore.
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well, after that game last night, it seems to me that the lb's will be the key to the defense taking a giant leap forward.
Adding TakiTaki and Wilson - the lb's played a great game. Mack Wilson? it's a great sign when other teams pass up guys and the Browns know they can be very fine players. I'd say Wilson sure looked like a first round pick.
Taki Taki started, I didn't know that Schobert was not playing due to personal reasons...
that's a tough role for Taki - to start. Seems he really did well. Still, just the first exhibition game, but already, a lot of teams are surely going to regret not drafting Greedy, Wilson and TakiTaki when they had the chance.
Greedy, btw, made a few hammering stops at the los - who the heyl said this kid wasn't much of a tackler?
Teams may have had success throwing to te's and rb's over the middle vs our lb's last couple of years... but Wilson and Taki are in town.
But they still have some learning to do before they start.
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Last nite Wilson looked leaner... lighter... longer than he did at BAMA to my eye... and quicker.
Same as Schobert when he moved inside.
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