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  • Clevis, the mentally challenged of the BB.

  • Clevis, the mentally challenged of the BB.

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Clevis, the mentally challenged of the BB.

    yes, he is. I was referring to how Tiam is a numbers/stats guy who has criticized some players for

    superficial reasons, when they turn out to be terrific players. HE would have underestimated Lambert by

    the same criteria he's used on other players.

       It was easy for anybody to follow - even Woody, but no - Clevis takes it completely weird.

  • @gorka said:

    Secondly, this was 1980. He was a fuckin democrat.

    He still is. You don't suddenly swap after being of one political leaning for 50 years.

    @logicisforsquares said:

    He still is. You don't suddenly swap after being of one political leaning for 50 years.

    Uh no he's not.

    And yes you can. And it's getting more easier and easier.

  • @tiamat63 said:

    Me:  *reads post*

    Me: * looking around * still sees massive violations of the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments along with increased debt and deficit.   

    Yep...."conservative" 

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    unlike your obaMao commie, Pres Trump doesn't see himself as a dicktater. The growing debt is the fault of both parties in Congress - a president can only do so much - to try to influence them.

    and I'm sure that your understanding of football helps you understand the nuances of our legal system, especially concerning Constitutionality.

    Did you know there isn't any mention of football in our Constitution/Bill of Rights?

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    @calfoxwc said:

    unlike your obaMao commie, Pres Trump doesn't see himself as a dicktater. The growing debt is the fault of both parties in Congress - a president can only do so much - to try to influence them.

    Per the Constitution, Congress creates the bills that are driving up the debt. Also per the constitution, Trump has the power to veto said bills. He did not, and signed off on them, so he's just as responsible for increasing the debt during his administration as Congress is. This is basic Civics 101 stuff. I would think a "real" American such as yourself would know that...

  • @calfoxwc said:

    unlike your obaMao commie, Pres Trump doesn't see himself as a dicktater. The growing debt is the fault of both parties in Congress - a president can only do so much - to try to influence them.

    Per the Constitution, Congress creates the bills that are driving up the debt. Also per the constitution, Trump has the power to veto said bills. He did not, and signed off on them, so he's just as responsible for increasing the debt during his administration as Congress is. This is basic Civics 101 stuff. I would think a "real" American such as yourself would know that...

    @jbluhm86 said:

    Per the Constitution, Congress creates the bills that are driving up the debt. Also per the constitution, Trump has the power to veto said bills. He did not, and signed off on them, so he's just as responsible for increasing the debt during his administration as Congress is. This is basic Civics 101 stuff. I would think a "real" American such as yourself would know that...

    nice of you to drop in and try a "gotcha" again, as usual. However, most all of us know that it is only the HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

    that create spending bills. NOT both houses of Congress. See, I can back up what I say with an on-point link:

    https://history.house.gov/institution/origins-development/power-of-the-purse/

    “All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills.”
    — U.S. Constitution, Article I, section 7, clause 1

    ************************************************

        Pres Trump can indeed, veto a bill. But Congress can override his veto. The trouble starts with your corrupt dems blaming Pres Trump for a "shutdown" of government, that they create with their political corruption attack mode. Which has been done before.

    It makes no sense to veto if you figure it will be overridden, so he went with it for the gains he wanted. The trouble is, the other side gains what they wanted.

        Which ends up raising out debt again. It's damage to our future. We could crash in a huge way.

    Which plays right into the hands of your democratic/socialist/revolutionary permanent power hungry sombeitch party.

    CLOWARD-PIVEN. (yay, I got to bring it up again !) and it doesn't sound silly anymore. No more "socialists in the democratic party haha"

    He who "haha"s hahas best.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward–Piven_strategy

    The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven that called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a socialist system of "a guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty".[1][2]

    So much for your silly claim of "CIvics 101" stuff.

  • @jbluhm86 said:

    Per the Constitution, Congress creates the bills that are driving up the debt. Also per the constitution, Trump has the power to veto said bills. He did not, and signed off on them, so he's just as responsible for increasing the debt during his administration as Congress is. This is basic Civics 101 stuff. I would think a "real" American such as yourself would know that...

    nice of you to drop in and try a "gotcha" again, as usual. However, most all of us know that it is only the HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

    that create spending bills. NOT both houses of Congress. See, I can back up what I say with an on-point link:

    https://history.house.gov/institution/origins-development/power-of-the-purse/

    “All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills.”
    — U.S. Constitution, Article I, section 7, clause 1

    ************************************************

        Pres Trump can indeed, veto a bill. But Congress can override his veto. The trouble starts with your corrupt dems blaming Pres Trump for a "shutdown" of government, that they create with their political corruption attack mode. Which has been done before.

    It makes no sense to veto if you figure it will be overridden, so he went with it for the gains he wanted. The trouble is, the other side gains what they wanted.

        Which ends up raising out debt again. It's damage to our future. We could crash in a huge way.

    Which plays right into the hands of your democratic/socialist/revolutionary permanent power hungry sombeitch party.

    CLOWARD-PIVEN. (yay, I got to bring it up again !) and it doesn't sound silly anymore. No more "socialists in the democratic party haha"

    He who "haha"s hahas best.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward–Piven_strategy

    The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven that called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a socialist system of "a guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty".[1][2]

    So much for your silly claim of "CIvics 101" stuff.

    @calfoxwc said:

    nice of you to drop in and try a "gotcha" again, as usual. However, most all of us know that it is only the HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

    that create spending bills. NOT both houses of Congress. See, I can back up what I say with an on-point link:

    https://history.house.gov/institution/origins-development/power-of-the-purse/

    “All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills.”
    — U.S. Constitution, Article I, section 7, clause 1

    ************************************************

        Pres Trump can indeed, veto a bill. But Congress can override his veto. The trouble starts with your corrupt dems blaming Pres Trump for a "shutdown" of government, that they create with their political corruption attack mode. Which has been done before.

    It makes no sense to veto if you figure it will be overridden, so he went with it for the gains he wanted. The trouble is, the other side gains what they wanted.

        Which ends up raising out debt again. It's damage to our future. We could crash in a huge way.

    Which plays right into the hands of your democratic/socialist/revolutionary permanent power hungry sombeitch party.

    CLOWARD-PIVEN. (yay, I got to bring it up again !) and it doesn't sound silly anymore. No more "socialists in the democratic party haha"

    He who "haha"s hahas best.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward–Piven_strategy

    The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven that called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a socialist system of "a guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty".[1][2]

    So much for your silly claim of "CIvics 101" stuff.

    Last time I checked, the House of Representatives was a part of the Congress, and a concept called "generalization" was still a thing, so you're not really pulling the "gotcha" you think you are.

    Secondly, if Trump was serious about deficit reduction, he'd have vetoed the spending bills presented to him. Sure, Congress would've very likely had his veto overridden, but then the growing deficit would've been on them, not Trump. By signing off on the deficit-increasing bills, Trump has become just as culpable as Congress is for increasing the defict. This is Trump's baby now.

  • @calfoxwc said:

    nice of you to drop in and try a "gotcha" again, as usual. However, most all of us know that it is only the HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

    that create spending bills. NOT both houses of Congress. See, I can back up what I say with an on-point link:

    https://history.house.gov/institution/origins-development/power-of-the-purse/

    “All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills.”
    — U.S. Constitution, Article I, section 7, clause 1

    ************************************************

        Pres Trump can indeed, veto a bill. But Congress can override his veto. The trouble starts with your corrupt dems blaming Pres Trump for a "shutdown" of government, that they create with their political corruption attack mode. Which has been done before.

    It makes no sense to veto if you figure it will be overridden, so he went with it for the gains he wanted. The trouble is, the other side gains what they wanted.

        Which ends up raising out debt again. It's damage to our future. We could crash in a huge way.

    Which plays right into the hands of your democratic/socialist/revolutionary permanent power hungry sombeitch party.

    CLOWARD-PIVEN. (yay, I got to bring it up again !) and it doesn't sound silly anymore. No more "socialists in the democratic party haha"

    He who "haha"s hahas best.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward–Piven_strategy

    The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven that called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a socialist system of "a guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty".[1][2]

    So much for your silly claim of "CIvics 101" stuff.

    Last time I checked, the House of Representatives was a part of the Congress, and a concept called "generalization" was still a thing, so you're not really pulling the "gotcha" you think you are.

    Secondly, if Trump was serious about deficit reduction, he'd have vetoed the spending bills presented to him. Sure, Congress would've very likely had his veto overridden, but then the growing deficit would've been on them, not Trump. By signing off on the deficit-increasing bills, Trump has become just as culpable as Congress is for increasing the defict. This is Trump's baby now.

    @jbluhm86 said:

    Last time I checked, the House of Representatives was a part of the Congress, and a concept called "generalization" was still a thing, so you're not really pulling the "gotcha" you think you are.

    Secondly, if Trump was serious about deficit reduction, he'd have vetoed the spending bills presented to him. Sure, Congress would've very likely had his veto overridden, but then the growing deficit would've been on them, not Trump. By signing off on the deficit-increasing bills, Trump has become just as culpable as Congress is for increasing the defict. This is Trump's baby now.

    The main fault for me lies with the fillibuster rule in the senate. That has given us a situation where to get spending bills passed both sides get all the spending they want. Even when republicans controlled all three branches of government they could not pass the spending bills they wanted due to a democrat ability to fillibuster. So now both sides must compromise to get a bill passed but the idea of compromising seems to be that both sides get all the spending they want which is always over spending.

  • @jbluhm86 said:

    Last time I checked, the House of Representatives was a part of the Congress, and a concept called "generalization" was still a thing, so you're not really pulling the "gotcha" you think you are.

    Secondly, if Trump was serious about deficit reduction, he'd have vetoed the spending bills presented to him. Sure, Congress would've very likely had his veto overridden, but then the growing deficit would've been on them, not Trump. By signing off on the deficit-increasing bills, Trump has become just as culpable as Congress is for increasing the defict. This is Trump's baby now.

    The main fault for me lies with the fillibuster rule in the senate. That has given us a situation where to get spending bills passed both sides get all the spending they want. Even when republicans controlled all three branches of government they could not pass the spending bills they wanted due to a democrat ability to fillibuster. So now both sides must compromise to get a bill passed but the idea of compromising seems to be that both sides get all the spending they want which is always over spending.

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    The main fault for me lies with the fillibuster rule in the senate. That has given us a situation where to get spending bills passed both sides get all the spending they want. Even when republicans controlled all three branches of government they could not pass the spending bills they wanted due to a democrat ability to fillibuster. So now both sides must compromise to get a bill passed but the idea of compromising seems to be that both sides get all the spending they want which is always over spending.

    Filibustering has been a part of the Senate nearly since it was first created; the GOP has employed it numerous times when they had the majority in the Senate.

  • @oldbrownsfan said:

    The main fault for me lies with the fillibuster rule in the senate. That has given us a situation where to get spending bills passed both sides get all the spending they want. Even when republicans controlled all three branches of government they could not pass the spending bills they wanted due to a democrat ability to fillibuster. So now both sides must compromise to get a bill passed but the idea of compromising seems to be that both sides get all the spending they want which is always over spending.

    Filibustering has been a part of the Senate nearly since it was first created; the GOP has employed it numerous times when they had the majority in the Senate.

    @jbluhm86 said:

    Filibustering has been a part of the Senate nearly since it was first created; the GOP has employed it numerous times when they had the majority in the Senate.

    Usually it is a tactic used by the minority party. It has given us this situation where compromise must happen to pass spending bills but it  seems compromise is just both sides getting all the spending they want. If the majority has a 60 plus majority they could over ride a filibuster but usually that threshold is not met. Obama had that luxury the first two years of his presidency.

  • @jbluhm86 said:

    Filibustering has been a part of the Senate nearly since it was first created; the GOP has employed it numerous times when they had the majority in the Senate.

    Usually it is a tactic used by the minority party. It has given us this situation where compromise must happen to pass spending bills but it  seems compromise is just both sides getting all the spending they want. If the majority has a 60 plus majority they could over ride a filibuster but usually that threshold is not met. Obama had that luxury the first two years of his presidency.

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    Usually it is a tactic used by the minority party. It has given us this situation where compromise must happen to pass spending bills but it  seems compromise is just both sides getting all the spending they want. 

    Compromise was designed into the Constitution by the founding fathers. Blame them. The fact is, Trump has had every opportunity to make his disagreement with Congress over increasing the debt know (presidential veto). Even if they overrode him in the end, the debt increase would be on them, not Trump. But Trump is not a fiscal conservative, and because he puts on a façade of believing in the Jebus, he's bamboozled the simple minded into abandoning conservative principles such as fiscal responsibility.

  • God bless you Jbluh.  May a meme shine down upon you.

  • @oldbrownsfan said:

    Usually it is a tactic used by the minority party. It has given us this situation where compromise must happen to pass spending bills but it  seems compromise is just both sides getting all the spending they want. 

    Compromise was designed into the Constitution by the founding fathers. Blame them. The fact is, Trump has had every opportunity to make his disagreement with Congress over increasing the debt know (presidential veto). Even if they overrode him in the end, the debt increase would be on them, not Trump. But Trump is not a fiscal conservative, and because he puts on a façade of believing in the Jebus, he's bamboozled the simple minded into abandoning conservative principles such as fiscal responsibility.

    @jbluhm86 said:

    Compromise was designed into the Constitution by the founding fathers. Blame them. The fact is, Trump has had every opportunity to make his disagreement with Congress over increasing the debt know (presidential veto). Even if they overrode him in the end, the debt increase would be on them, not Trump. But Trump is not a fiscal conservative, and because he puts on a façade of believing in the Jebus, he's bamboozled the simple minded into abandoning conservative principles such as fiscal responsibility.

    Trump's tax cuts have spurred the economy to where Obama tries to take credit for it. Obama gave us the debt just not the good economy. Is there anyone running for president on the dem side in 2020 that you see cutting the national debt? Not with what they are proposing. They try to say they will just tax the rich and everyone else will get the freebies but only the simple minded believe that. There aren't enough wealthy people to pay for what they are proposing.

  • @calfoxwc said:

    nice of you to drop in and try a "gotcha" again, as usual. However, most all of us know that it is only the HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

    that create spending bills. NOT both houses of Congress. See, I can back up what I say with an on-point link:

    https://history.house.gov/institution/origins-development/power-of-the-purse/

    “All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills.”
    — U.S. Constitution, Article I, section 7, clause 1

    ************************************************

        Pres Trump can indeed, veto a bill. But Congress can override his veto. The trouble starts with your corrupt dems blaming Pres Trump for a "shutdown" of government, that they create with their political corruption attack mode. Which has been done before.

    It makes no sense to veto if you figure it will be overridden, so he went with it for the gains he wanted. The trouble is, the other side gains what they wanted.

        Which ends up raising out debt again. It's damage to our future. We could crash in a huge way.

    Which plays right into the hands of your democratic/socialist/revolutionary permanent power hungry sombeitch party.

    CLOWARD-PIVEN. (yay, I got to bring it up again !) and it doesn't sound silly anymore. No more "socialists in the democratic party haha"

    He who "haha"s hahas best.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward–Piven_strategy

    The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven that called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a socialist system of "a guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty".[1][2]

    So much for your silly claim of "CIvics 101" stuff.

    Last time I checked, the House of Representatives was a part of the Congress, and a concept called "generalization" was still a thing, so you're not really pulling the "gotcha" you think you are.

    Secondly, if Trump was serious about deficit reduction, he'd have vetoed the spending bills presented to him. Sure, Congress would've very likely had his veto overridden, but then the growing deficit would've been on them, not Trump. By signing off on the deficit-increasing bills, Trump has become just as culpable as Congress is for increasing the defict. This is Trump's baby now.

    @jbluhm86 said:

    Last time I checked, the House of Representatives was a part of the Congress, and a concept called "generalization" was still a thing, so you're not really pulling the "gotcha" you think you are.

    Secondly, if Trump was serious about deficit reduction, he'd have vetoed the spending bills presented to him. Sure, Congress would've very likely had his veto overridden, but then the growing deficit would've been on them, not Trump. By signing off on the deficit-increasing bills, Trump has become just as culpable as Congress is for increasing the defict. This is Trump's baby now.

    oh, then Tiam will be happy to know that all the players on the football team play quarterback, mr. "generalization" lol

    if Trump vetoes it,  he will be shutting down the gov, LIKE I SAID.

    I gave you the correct explanation, with a valid reference, proving my point. You don't have diddley except to say you were just "generalizing" ???

    of course, the House bickers with a president of the opposite part. It happens. and it never stops the deficit, too bad for America - which is us.

    read:

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/22/government-shutdown-deal-democrats-lose-355997

    Dec 27, 2018 - On Day 6 of the partial government shutdown, House members were told ... not letting Donald Trump & the Republicans have a win,” he wrote.
    Dec 31, 2018 - “We've got to really learn how to play jujitsu with the president and ... For newly elected Democrats, having the shutdown languish into the new ...