Bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch
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Actually, when it became apparent you were wrong.
You really start out poorly with this post...It was NEVER apparent to me that I was wrong...because I was not wrong. What would I have been wrong about? You had an opinion that Baker should shut his trap...my opinion was that he has no need to.
and couldn't do your typical "rambling lawyer talking bullshit circles around a debate to muddy the conversation waters"
By this you mean apparently mean I was making too much sense and you are too obtuse to keep up.
you reverted to name-calling and acting like a 4 year old who didn't get his way.
Actually...you are the one that started any name calling. Try actually reading the thread. I tried to give you some good advice to you about how to respond to people who claim you have offended them. I was trying to help you. And then you went on about how I was not getting enough attention. I get plenty of attention, but yes, I do decry the laziness and lack of knowledge that is exhibited on here frequently. I guess I just want Browns fans to be better, more well informed than say, Steeler fans. Apparently you don't like that concept. Beyond that...what on Earth makes you think that I did not get my way? I didn't really have a "way" to get. I had an opinion that Baker should be Baker.
I suppose this is the reason people like Tour don't even bother with you and just put you on ignore.
Tour thinks he is a know it all...and hates to be challenged or criticized on his views. And I was his Huckleberry...just the guy to challenge his arrogant points of view. So instead of making a stand and defending his views, he pussied out and stuck his head in the sand because he could not handle even a friendly debate.
I'm also starting to understand why the American judicial system is such a clusterfuck, with people like you running it. Yikes.
The judicial system is just fine....and we know how to deal with people like you who have to come in front of it.
Tour thinks he is a know it all...and hates to be challenged or criticized on his views.
Says the kettle. It is significantly easier (more civil) to discuss a differing opinion with tour than it is yourself.
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"if" it was said like that its a bad job out of baker. Pre 2018 season alot of people were floored with the baker pivk at #1. So he of all people should know better......maybe the giants found their baker who knows? It sounds like he got got texted by oeople who want to create conflict.
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Tour thinks he is a know it all...and hates to be challenged or criticized on his views.
Says the kettle. It is significantly easier (more civil) to discuss a differing opinion with tour than it is yourself.
Says the kettle. It is significantly easier (more civil) to discuss a differing opinion with tour than it is yourself.
It is far more fun with me however. It may be far more easier with Tour than with me because at the first hint of disagreement with him he runs and hides. If you like that sort of fecklessness, more power to you. Again, go back and read this thread...I was NOT the one to start the uncivility...if you want to call it that.
So, just another point of good advice: Don't get into a mud wrestling match with a boar hog.
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I’m more worried about being on the cover of SI. Nothing good has happened to Cleveland sports teams after making that cover. I don’t really believe in curses but this is about as close as it comes
I’m more worried about being on the cover of SI. Nothing good has happened to Cleveland sports teams after making that cover. I don’t really believe in curses but this is about as close as it comes
Yep, I thought the same thing.
In regards to Baker, he needs to learn not to comment on everything.
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FWIW here's Baker's response:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27433149/mayfield-reaches-giants-jones-clear-air
Honestly? I'm not sure why he needs to be going into that conversation (context a bit off or not). But, if this stuff comes with the elite level play we have already seen, so be it. At the end of the day this stuff blows over.
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A pertinent article from the Athletic (subscription site that is quite good) written by Jason Lloyd pasted for your perusal. Sort of connects the dots in how things said can be taken out of context and blown up with social media. Also delves into Baker’s relationship with the media in the pros vs. college, and even further with how any media member who follows a team has a different set of standards than a guy writing a one off.
When I spent a few days on Oklahoma’s campus last fall for a profile on Baker Mayfield, a number of the OU writers asked me what Mayfield’s media availability was like. He’s distant, I told them. Guarded. He’ll say anything, sure, but the NFL’s setup makes it difficult to get to know him. He is whisked in for his weekly availability and abruptly hauled back out when it’s over. There are few real opportunities for small talk, it’s hard to get side sessions during the week and there are no real chances to get to know anything about him other than how he reads a Cover 2.
They were shocked. Building relationships is what he does best. The OU writers thought it is a mistake the Browns don’t make Mayfield more accessible during the week because they all believe they had a great working relationship with him. But Cleveland is a long way from Oklahoma and the NFL is a long way from college.
Mayfield is beloved here. He doesn’t need to have a relationship with anyone in the press for that to change. All he has to do is win. And he has certainly given intimate access to GQ and ESPN for offseason profiles. He even made his wife available briefly for both.
Still, I couldn’t help but think back to the OU writers who described a different Mayfield than the one who responded to a GQ article Monday by attacking the writer and insisting he didn’t detonate Giants rookie quarterback Daniel Jones like it appeared in print. Mayfield was quoted as saying he was shocked the Giants took Jones sixth overall.
“Blows my mind,” he said.
When the snippet erupted on social media, Mayfield fired back.
“This is not what I said,” he responded on Instagram. “Just so we’re clear. I also said I was surprised I got drafted No. 1. Then was talking about the flaws in evaluating QBs. Where I brought up winning being important. Reporters and media will do anything to come up with a click-bait story. Heard nothing but good things and wish nothing but the best for Daniel.”
I can’t say for certain what Mayfield did or didn’t say, but I’ve been in these settings enough to know how this usually goes. The subject is out of the normal interview environment. He’s comfortable. He says something flippantly. Then when it appears in print, it looks much worse than how it was intended or how it sounded in his head. It happens all the time.
The writer, Clay Skipper, had a choice to make. The comment about Jones had nothing to do with the rest of the story on Mayfield and the Browns’ resurrection. But it reinforced Mayfield’s reputation of being a maverick who will say anything about anyone at any time.
Skipper has written other sports pieces. He profiled Joel Embiid last year for a piece that will be published as part of “The Best American Sports Writing 2019.” Embiid didn’t accuse him of clickbait. But we’re supposed to believe he singled out Mayfield and chose him as the victim of one silly, invented quote about the Giants quarterback? Please.
Anyone who has done this long enough has run into multiple situations like this. If I wrote everything LeBron James said in my four years with him, we could’ve had one of these firestorms every week. Once, before a road game at Houston, I walked in on a locker room discussion about some of the worst players in the league. Cavs players were trashing some of their current and past colleagues. It was an open locker room period. I would’ve been within my rights to report everything that was said. Maybe you’ll read this and think I should have. But I never wrote a word about it because it wasn’t worth it to me. Instead, my discretion built trust with the players for when I needed something more important later on.
When you’re around a team every day, you don’t write everything you see and hear. When you’re dropping in for a profile piece on the hottest team in the NFL, then leaving town again in a few days, you have nothing to lose. You have a little more leeway to use quotes like those.
But Mayfield accused GQ of clickbait, and that’s where I have to push back. The distrust of the media in society has never been higher than it is today. As a member of the press, that hurts. Politics is mostly to blame. But as someone who tries every day to get it right, the idea that writers are always making things up or looking for clickbait strikes a nerve. Some of the vitriol toward the media is certainly warranted. Some is not. This is not.
GQ did not promote the quote about Jones in the headline or in any tweet about the story. It wasn’t mentioned until the ninth paragraph, which his hardly the lead. The eruption over the quote occurred on social media from everyone else.
As I’ve told numerous interview subjects and teams, we have no control over how other outlets and publications aggregate our original content. It frustrates me sometimes, too. But to aim the venom at GQ in this instance is misguided. It wasn’t clickbait. Nothing with how they packaged or presented it was clickbait. And what happens to pieces like this once they enter the toxic vortex of Twitter/Instagram/Facebook is out of the hands of those of us who take the time to carefully produce original pieces.
This will blow over. It always does. Mayfield will be asked about it during his next availability, he’ll bristle at the question and then it will go away — at least until next season, when the Browns play at the Giants. It will most certainly resurface then, particularly if Jones is the starting quarterback. If he’s not, then the Giants really did blow the pick.
At this point, you might be mad that I’m (of course) defending the media. You might be shocked I managed to write 1,000 words on Mayfield calling another publication’s piece clickbait. But one way to start rebuilding trust is to admit when you blow it and then defend what you believe is right when you see a wrong.
One other thing the OU writers said about Mayfield: He’ll invent enemies for motivation. Ask TCU’s Gary Patterson about that. Mayfield is creating an adversary here where one doesn’t exist.
But the silly season, thankfully, is almost over. For a team that can’t seem to stay out of the spotlight, here’s the best news of all: The games that matter are less than three weeks away. They can’t get here soon enough.
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A pertinent article from the Athletic (subscription site that is quite good) written by Jason Lloyd pasted for your perusal. Sort of connects the dots in how things said can be taken out of context and blown up with social media. Also delves into Baker’s relationship with the media in the pros vs. college, and even further with how any media member who follows a team has a different set of standards than a guy writing a one off.
When I spent a few days on Oklahoma’s campus last fall for a profile on Baker Mayfield, a number of the OU writers asked me what Mayfield’s media availability was like. He’s distant, I told them. Guarded. He’ll say anything, sure, but the NFL’s setup makes it difficult to get to know him. He is whisked in for his weekly availability and abruptly hauled back out when it’s over. There are few real opportunities for small talk, it’s hard to get side sessions during the week and there are no real chances to get to know anything about him other than how he reads a Cover 2.
They were shocked. Building relationships is what he does best. The OU writers thought it is a mistake the Browns don’t make Mayfield more accessible during the week because they all believe they had a great working relationship with him. But Cleveland is a long way from Oklahoma and the NFL is a long way from college.
Mayfield is beloved here. He doesn’t need to have a relationship with anyone in the press for that to change. All he has to do is win. And he has certainly given intimate access to GQ and ESPN for offseason profiles. He even made his wife available briefly for both.
Still, I couldn’t help but think back to the OU writers who described a different Mayfield than the one who responded to a GQ article Monday by attacking the writer and insisting he didn’t detonate Giants rookie quarterback Daniel Jones like it appeared in print. Mayfield was quoted as saying he was shocked the Giants took Jones sixth overall.
“Blows my mind,” he said.
When the snippet erupted on social media, Mayfield fired back.
“This is not what I said,” he responded on Instagram. “Just so we’re clear. I also said I was surprised I got drafted No. 1. Then was talking about the flaws in evaluating QBs. Where I brought up winning being important. Reporters and media will do anything to come up with a click-bait story. Heard nothing but good things and wish nothing but the best for Daniel.”
I can’t say for certain what Mayfield did or didn’t say, but I’ve been in these settings enough to know how this usually goes. The subject is out of the normal interview environment. He’s comfortable. He says something flippantly. Then when it appears in print, it looks much worse than how it was intended or how it sounded in his head. It happens all the time.
The writer, Clay Skipper, had a choice to make. The comment about Jones had nothing to do with the rest of the story on Mayfield and the Browns’ resurrection. But it reinforced Mayfield’s reputation of being a maverick who will say anything about anyone at any time.
Skipper has written other sports pieces. He profiled Joel Embiid last year for a piece that will be published as part of “The Best American Sports Writing 2019.” Embiid didn’t accuse him of clickbait. But we’re supposed to believe he singled out Mayfield and chose him as the victim of one silly, invented quote about the Giants quarterback? Please.
Anyone who has done this long enough has run into multiple situations like this. If I wrote everything LeBron James said in my four years with him, we could’ve had one of these firestorms every week. Once, before a road game at Houston, I walked in on a locker room discussion about some of the worst players in the league. Cavs players were trashing some of their current and past colleagues. It was an open locker room period. I would’ve been within my rights to report everything that was said. Maybe you’ll read this and think I should have. But I never wrote a word about it because it wasn’t worth it to me. Instead, my discretion built trust with the players for when I needed something more important later on.
When you’re around a team every day, you don’t write everything you see and hear. When you’re dropping in for a profile piece on the hottest team in the NFL, then leaving town again in a few days, you have nothing to lose. You have a little more leeway to use quotes like those.
But Mayfield accused GQ of clickbait, and that’s where I have to push back. The distrust of the media in society has never been higher than it is today. As a member of the press, that hurts. Politics is mostly to blame. But as someone who tries every day to get it right, the idea that writers are always making things up or looking for clickbait strikes a nerve. Some of the vitriol toward the media is certainly warranted. Some is not. This is not.
GQ did not promote the quote about Jones in the headline or in any tweet about the story. It wasn’t mentioned until the ninth paragraph, which his hardly the lead. The eruption over the quote occurred on social media from everyone else.
As I’ve told numerous interview subjects and teams, we have no control over how other outlets and publications aggregate our original content. It frustrates me sometimes, too. But to aim the venom at GQ in this instance is misguided. It wasn’t clickbait. Nothing with how they packaged or presented it was clickbait. And what happens to pieces like this once they enter the toxic vortex of Twitter/Instagram/Facebook is out of the hands of those of us who take the time to carefully produce original pieces.
This will blow over. It always does. Mayfield will be asked about it during his next availability, he’ll bristle at the question and then it will go away — at least until next season, when the Browns play at the Giants. It will most certainly resurface then, particularly if Jones is the starting quarterback. If he’s not, then the Giants really did blow the pick.
At this point, you might be mad that I’m (of course) defending the media. You might be shocked I managed to write 1,000 words on Mayfield calling another publication’s piece clickbait. But one way to start rebuilding trust is to admit when you blow it and then defend what you believe is right when you see a wrong.
One other thing the OU writers said about Mayfield: He’ll invent enemies for motivation. Ask TCU’s Gary Patterson about that. Mayfield is creating an adversary here where one doesn’t exist.
But the silly season, thankfully, is almost over. For a team that can’t seem to stay out of the spotlight, here’s the best news of all: The games that matter are less than three weeks away. They can’t get here soon enough.
When I spent a few days on Oklahoma’s campus last fall for a profile on Baker Mayfield, a number of the OU writers asked me what Mayfield’s media availability was like. He’s distant,
One other thing the OU writers said about Mayfield: He’ll invent enemies for motivation. Ask TCU’s Gary Patterson about that. Mayfield is creating an adversary here where one doesn’t exist.
But the silly season, thankfully, is almost over.
These media meatheads sit behind a cubical typing click stories.. While, Baker/Odel stand on a nfl football field with some serious whacked out loons that will trash talk their own bulletin board material. Some to most created by the media too..Bake's response not losing his cool,like he did in school, will be his telling growing up moment this season..coaches & 51 brownies better have these guys back.. The other rooms, trash talk'in bulletin board is right around the corner..and Hype ain't never won a ballgame..
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Tour thinks he is a know it all...and hates to be challenged or criticized on his views.
Says the kettle. It is significantly easier (more civil) to discuss a differing opinion with tour than it is yourself.
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I’m more worried about being on the cover of SI. Nothing good has happened to Cleveland sports teams after making that cover. I don’t really believe in curses but this is about as close as it comes
Yep, I thought the same thing.
In regards to Baker, he needs to learn not to comment on everything.
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I know this is going to come to a shock to some, but articles that do not necessarily paint people or events that you support in a glowing manner are not necessarily "fake" or "clickbait" just because you don't like the message.
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I know this is going to come to a shock to some, but articles that do not necessarily paint people or events that you support in a glowing manner are not necessarily "fake" or "clickbait" just because you don't like the message.
I know this is going to come to a shock to some, but articles that do not necessarily paint people or events that you support in a glowing manner are not necessarily "fake" or "clickbait" just because you don't like the message.
Sure....but in this case...it seems fromsome reports that the quotes in this article were spliced together to seem to be a complete disparagement of Jones by Baker, when perhaps it could be further from the truth.
Baker did say it blew his mind that Jones was taken with #6 overall....but that may have been more of a complement to Jones. Like "It blew my mind that Jones was taken #6...good for him, he is like me who no one expected to be drafted as high as I was" Baker definitely says that that is what he meant.
But then the splice came with the quote that "sometimes winning has to count" And he was, per him, referring to himself. That it was time for him to start winning. As a starter I believe he had a 6-7 record. He says that he stated the he needed to start winning....but apparently the "you need to start winning" seemed, in the article, to apply to Jones's record in college....and not to himself.
So...if in fact that disingenuous tactic WAS employed in this article....or if people "interpreting" the article reported that those statements applied to Jones and not to himself....then that IS false reporting....and would have been done perhaps to just stir up shit...and be click bait.
So maybe someone can find and post what Baker had to say about the situation.
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All I heard over the national sports shows today, radio and TV is about the interviews that both Baker Mayfield gave to GQ and OBJ gave to Sports Illustrated.
And all these media types did was bitch, bitch, bitch about how our guys handled these interviews.
Baker said it blew him away that the Giants took Daniel Jones at #6 in the draft. The media today got on him about supposedly "getting in another player's business". Of course, all Baker said was what EVERY single member of the national media, every Giants fan, and every NFL fan said about the drafting of Daniel Jones at #6. But it is a crime when Baker...or any other NFL player says things in an interview, which comment was prompted by the interviewer (which probably took place in April or May just after the draft) says what every other person in America is saying.
And the same for OBJ. Again, that interview probably took place months ago, not long after the trade occurred. OBJ felt it was personal...and that he thought the Giants were trying to send him to an NFL hell by dealing him to the Browns...who have no doubt been a shit show for a long time. (and OBJ says the joke is on the Giants...who NOW are the shit show....because everyone feels the Browns will now be playoff contenders, if not more)
Bottom line: I guess no NFL player can tell the truth in an interview without getting shit for doing so.
Baker said it blew him away that the Giants took Daniel Jones at #6 in the draft. The media today got on him about supposedly "getting in another player's business". Of course, all Baker said was what EVERY single member of the national media, every Giants fan, and every NFL fan said about the drafting of Daniel Jones at #6.
Yeah, about 95% of Giants fans wanted to run their GM out of town when he selected Jones at #6. It was a shock to everyone.
Media does that all the time. For example, that Colin Cowherd hack likes to attack certain things about Baker since he continued to be wrong about Baker's leadership and talent. Hack makes sure he doesn't talk about baker and his wife delivering Christmas gifts to under-privileged kids and families in Cleveland or impacting the life of a young girl to the extent he showed up to speak at her funeral service. Those would be far too mature to sell his audience Baker has a great side to him as well.
1 day I was home from work and changed the channel to his show while he was ranting how Baker only beat 1 winning team and blabbed that about 7 of his TD passes were against the Bengals. Meanwhile, he wanted his audience to feel sorry for Darnold going to a bad team. In doing so, he sure stayed away from the reality Baker went to the team that was 0-16 in 2017 and 1-15 in 2016. Meatball on spaghetti, Cleveland didn't win either of their first 2 games in 2018 while Baker entered the 3rd game with a 14-0 deficit vrs Darnold's Jets - that Baker led us to victory over. Telling ALL of the story erases the juice he angled up against Baker.
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Baker said it blew him away that the Giants took Daniel Jones at #6 in the draft. The media today got on him about supposedly "getting in another player's business". Of course, all Baker said was what EVERY single member of the national media, every Giants fan, and every NFL fan said about the drafting of Daniel Jones at #6.
Yeah, about 95% of Giants fans wanted to run their GM out of town when he selected Jones at #6. It was a shock to everyone.
Media does that all the time. For example, that Colin Cowherd hack likes to attack certain things about Baker since he continued to be wrong about Baker's leadership and talent. Hack makes sure he doesn't talk about baker and his wife delivering Christmas gifts to under-privileged kids and families in Cleveland or impacting the life of a young girl to the extent he showed up to speak at her funeral service. Those would be far too mature to sell his audience Baker has a great side to him as well.
1 day I was home from work and changed the channel to his show while he was ranting how Baker only beat 1 winning team and blabbed that about 7 of his TD passes were against the Bengals. Meanwhile, he wanted his audience to feel sorry for Darnold going to a bad team. In doing so, he sure stayed away from the reality Baker went to the team that was 0-16 in 2017 and 1-15 in 2016. Meatball on spaghetti, Cleveland didn't win either of their first 2 games in 2018 while Baker entered the 3rd game with a 14-0 deficit vrs Darnold's Jets - that Baker led us to victory over. Telling ALL of the story erases the juice he angled up against Baker.
Yeah, about 95% of Giants fans wanted to run their GM out of town when he selected Jones at #6. It was a shock to everyone.
Media does that all the time. For example, that Colin Cowherd hack likes to attack certain things about Baker since he continued to be wrong about Baker's leadership and talent. Hack makes sure he doesn't talk about baker and his wife delivering Christmas gifts to under-privileged kids and families in Cleveland or impacting the life of a young girl to the extent he showed up to speak at her funeral service. Those would be far too mature to sell his audience Baker has a great side to him as well.
1 day I was home from work and changed the channel to his show while he was ranting how Baker only beat 1 winning team and blabbed that about 7 of his TD passes were against the Bengals. Meanwhile, he wanted his audience to feel sorry for Darnold going to a bad team. In doing so, he sure stayed away from the reality Baker went to the team that was 0-16 in 2017 and 1-15 in 2016. Meatball on spaghetti, Cleveland didn't win either of their first 2 games in 2018 while Baker entered the 3rd game with a 14-0 deficit vrs Darnold's Jets - that Baker led us to victory over. Telling ALL of the story erases the juice he angled up against Baker.
Cowherd isn't going to change, he is dug in. Baker could go on and break Bradys records and it would be how much talent he has around him, he NEEDS all these things to win, if Darnold had the same guys he would win even more etc.
Take Cowherd out of it because it obviously doesn't matter what Baker does, but before Baker clarified that it was somewhat taken out of context, they have a bit of a point. And its not like it is unprecedented that people are talked about being wrong for comments they made about other players. Jalen Ramsey last year was about the same thing. To me, there is a difference in most people giving negative comments and peers. I could be wrong, but I think the discussion would have happened if it were others besides Baker. I don't think it was about him. And this doesn't subject doesn't matter to me if its football or any other job. Since we know what Gipper job is/was I'll use it in an example. I could see a bit of an issue if he were talking amongst colleagues and said an opposing lawyer/judge wasnt good, but if he is quoted somewhere saying such things I would think there would be some backlash.
Once Bakers comments came out about not being what it seems and clarified I don't see much of anything wrong with it
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Yeah, about 95% of Giants fans wanted to run their GM out of town when he selected Jones at #6. It was a shock to everyone.
Media does that all the time. For example, that Colin Cowherd hack likes to attack certain things about Baker since he continued to be wrong about Baker's leadership and talent. Hack makes sure he doesn't talk about baker and his wife delivering Christmas gifts to under-privileged kids and families in Cleveland or impacting the life of a young girl to the extent he showed up to speak at her funeral service. Those would be far too mature to sell his audience Baker has a great side to him as well.
1 day I was home from work and changed the channel to his show while he was ranting how Baker only beat 1 winning team and blabbed that about 7 of his TD passes were against the Bengals. Meanwhile, he wanted his audience to feel sorry for Darnold going to a bad team. In doing so, he sure stayed away from the reality Baker went to the team that was 0-16 in 2017 and 1-15 in 2016. Meatball on spaghetti, Cleveland didn't win either of their first 2 games in 2018 while Baker entered the 3rd game with a 14-0 deficit vrs Darnold's Jets - that Baker led us to victory over. Telling ALL of the story erases the juice he angled up against Baker.
Cowherd isn't going to change, he is dug in. Baker could go on and break Bradys records and it would be how much talent he has around him, he NEEDS all these things to win, if Darnold had the same guys he would win even more etc.
Take Cowherd out of it because it obviously doesn't matter what Baker does, but before Baker clarified that it was somewhat taken out of context, they have a bit of a point. And its not like it is unprecedented that people are talked about being wrong for comments they made about other players. Jalen Ramsey last year was about the same thing. To me, there is a difference in most people giving negative comments and peers. I could be wrong, but I think the discussion would have happened if it were others besides Baker. I don't think it was about him. And this doesn't subject doesn't matter to me if its football or any other job. Since we know what Gipper job is/was I'll use it in an example. I could see a bit of an issue if he were talking amongst colleagues and said an opposing lawyer/judge wasnt good, but if he is quoted somewhere saying such things I would think there would be some backlash.
Once Bakers comments came out about not being what it seems and clarified I don't see much of anything wrong with it
Cowherd isn't going to change, he is dug in. Baker could go on and break Bradys records and it would be how much talent he has around him, he NEEDS all these things to win, if Darnold had the same guys he would win even more etc.
Take Cowherd out of it because it obviously doesn't matter what Baker does, but before Baker clarified that it was somewhat taken out of context, they have a bit of a point. And its not like it is unprecedented that people are talked about being wrong for comments they made about other players. Jalen Ramsey last year was about the same thing. To me, there is a difference in most people giving negative comments and peers. I could be wrong, but I think the discussion would have happened if it were others besides Baker. I don't think it was about him. And this doesn't subject doesn't matter to me if its football or any other job. Since we know what Gipper job is/was I'll use it in an example. I could see a bit of an issue if he were talking amongst colleagues and said an opposing lawyer/judge wasnt good, but if he is quoted somewhere saying such things I would think there would be some backlash.
Once Bakers comments came out about not being what it seems and clarified I don't see much of anything wrong with it
Lawyers talk shit about each other all the time
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Cowherd isn't going to change, he is dug in. Baker could go on and break Bradys records and it would be how much talent he has around him, he NEEDS all these things to win, if Darnold had the same guys he would win even more etc.
Take Cowherd out of it because it obviously doesn't matter what Baker does, but before Baker clarified that it was somewhat taken out of context, they have a bit of a point. And its not like it is unprecedented that people are talked about being wrong for comments they made about other players. Jalen Ramsey last year was about the same thing. To me, there is a difference in most people giving negative comments and peers. I could be wrong, but I think the discussion would have happened if it were others besides Baker. I don't think it was about him. And this doesn't subject doesn't matter to me if its football or any other job. Since we know what Gipper job is/was I'll use it in an example. I could see a bit of an issue if he were talking amongst colleagues and said an opposing lawyer/judge wasnt good, but if he is quoted somewhere saying such things I would think there would be some backlash.
Once Bakers comments came out about not being what it seems and clarified I don't see much of anything wrong with it
Lawyers talk shit about each other all the time
Lawyers talk shit about each other all the time
Lol, I am sure they do amongst themselves, but as a lawyer/judge would you actually be able to be quoted as saying such things?
As a coach, I can think someone from an opposing team is doing a bad job with their players. I would probably talk about it amongst the other coaches with me, but I would never say it to the other guys face, in a public forum, or anywhere that I could be quoted as saying such.
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Lawyers talk shit about each other all the time
Lol, I am sure they do amongst themselves, but as a lawyer/judge would you actually be able to be quoted as saying such things?
As a coach, I can think someone from an opposing team is doing a bad job with their players. I would probably talk about it amongst the other coaches with me, but I would never say it to the other guys face, in a public forum, or anywhere that I could be quoted as saying such.
Lol, I am sure they do amongst themselves, but as a lawyer/judge would you actually be able to be quoted as saying such things?
As a coach, I can think someone from an opposing team is doing a bad job with their players. I would probably talk about it amongst the other coaches with me, but I would never say it to the other guys face, in a public forum, or anywhere that I could be quoted as saying such.
Very true. No coach would ever tell another team that a player is awful that they mite try to trade.
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Lol, I am sure they do amongst themselves, but as a lawyer/judge would you actually be able to be quoted as saying such things?
As a coach, I can think someone from an opposing team is doing a bad job with their players. I would probably talk about it amongst the other coaches with me, but I would never say it to the other guys face, in a public forum, or anywhere that I could be quoted as saying such.
Very true. No coach would ever tell another team that a player is awful that they mite try to trade.
Very true. No coach would ever tell another team that a player is awful that they mite try to trade.
Wasn't where I was going with it, as I couldn't and wouldn't trade my players, I was going off of the profession. Not saying something bad about an opposing coach where it could get back to him
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Lawyers talk shit about each other all the time
Lol, I am sure they do amongst themselves, but as a lawyer/judge would you actually be able to be quoted as saying such things?
As a coach, I can think someone from an opposing team is doing a bad job with their players. I would probably talk about it amongst the other coaches with me, but I would never say it to the other guys face, in a public forum, or anywhere that I could be quoted as saying such.
Lol, I am sure they do amongst themselves, but as a lawyer/judge would you actually be able to be quoted as saying such things?
Happens all the time.
As a coach, I can think someone from an opposing team is doing a bad job with their players. I would probably talk about it amongst the other coaches with me, but I would never say it to the other guys face, in a public forum, or anywhere that I could be quoted as saying such.
Well...who do you think files malpractice claims against a lawyer? Other lawyers.
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