Andrew Luck
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Haha, I have said multiple times on this topic how you can have your opinion, what you obviously are wrong about is your moaning and groaning about the Colts in that game. A quick look up shows the starters DID PLAY. So your reasoning for hating them and saying they have no integrity has NO merit.
Peyton Manning was pulled when the game was in doubt.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200712300clt.htm
But we can take it further (even though it was pointed out when Colts starters were taken out they were losing). But I think you would have to agree (unless you are just unwilling to waver on your stance) that had the Browns not gotten rid of some of their better players the 0-16 season that they wouldn't have been 0-16. So let's just take the 5 closest games for the purpose of the exercise. Titans and Packers OT loses, and Colts, Jets, and Steelers. Steelers were 13-3, Colts 4-12, Jets 5-11, Titans 9-7 (MADE THE PLAYOFFS), and Packers 7-9. So by YOUR logic, since they got rid of those players and it helped Titans get into the playoffs isnt that against the integrity?
You see, as for me, I have been VERY clear. You can certainly have your opinion (whether I agree with it or not), I just have a problem with the hypocrisy of giving the Browns the benefit but not someone else.
And in the more general terms, I have an issue with how you want to say you are entitled to your opinion, yet when someone has a different opinion than you you make sure to tell them how wrong they are, and have even called them names because of their differing opinion. So why should you be given any more concessions than them? A lot of your actions on here like that come off as hypocritical.
As for earlier, the comment of nobody cares about legal construct was you just spinning something. The point was that in a discussion on a sports forum nobody cares what is legally acceptable. Whether it was your intention or not, your wait and see if the situation comes up for the Browns looks like a deflection to not answer as for other issues on here for you something is more acceptable if it's your team/player that the situation involves.
You don't have to justify your disdain for any team. But when you do justify it for a specific reason, when faced with something similar for your team and view it differently your view seems disingenuous and hypocritical. When all you had to respond to me (maybe not others) was you only care about the Browns and it may be irrational but you don't care. But instead you doubled down.
Just own your irrationality when it comes to your teams, that is what most fans are like anyway
So...who is beating the fucking dead horse now.....maybe you are Ghoolie Jr. You are now just prattling on to hear yourself.
Read my lips: Fuck the Colts.
So...who is beating the fucking dead horse now.....maybe you are Ghoolie Jr. You are now just prattling on to hear yourself.
Read my lips: Fuck the Colts.
See, like I said DEFLECT and NEVER ADMIT you were WRONG!!!!!!!!!
You said they didn't play their starters. But I guess what can we expect from someone whose job it is to spin everything and even more a man who seems to think he is always right. But go ahead and keep on calling people out who don't believe what you believe but when you are on the other end "I'm entitled to my opinion."
Moral of the story, you are entitled to your opinion, but nobody is entitled to one that differs from you. That is about as egotistical as it gets.
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So...who is beating the fucking dead horse now.....maybe you are Ghoolie Jr. You are now just prattling on to hear yourself.
Read my lips: Fuck the Colts.
See, like I said DEFLECT and NEVER ADMIT you were WRONG!!!!!!!!!
You said they didn't play their starters. But I guess what can we expect from someone whose job it is to spin everything and even more a man who seems to think he is always right. But go ahead and keep on calling people out who don't believe what you believe but when you are on the other end "I'm entitled to my opinion."
Moral of the story, you are entitled to your opinion, but nobody is entitled to one that differs from you. That is about as egotistical as it gets.
See, like I said DEFLECT and NEVER ADMIT you were WRONG!!!!!!!!!
You said they didn't play their starters. But I guess what can we expect from someone whose job it is to spin everything and even more a man who seems to think he is always right. But go ahead and keep on calling people out who don't believe what you believe but when you are on the other end "I'm entitled to my opinion."
Moral of the story, you are entitled to your opinion, but nobody is entitled to one that differs from you. That is about as egotistical as it gets.
Sounds like you are talking to, and about yourself.
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Also they actually did start their starters and then sat the offensive guys at half time. The majority of the defensive players played pretty much the whole game.
Um check the stats for those games- Ben, Brown, and Bell are nowhere to be found.
And finally- I'll let Gipper believe whatever he wants to. He's starting to show some dangerous Ghoolie tendencies, and not just in this thread. The Hoorta has a vineyard to harvest today, so I'm done arguing.
I'll let Gipper believe whatever he wants to. He's starting to show some dangerous Ghoolie tendencies, and not just in this thread.
Sadly there is some truth in this statement.
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Feckless Bottom line is that the Colts can suck forever in my opinion. Y’all can disagree with that if you’d like. But I guess if I don’t change my mind that makes me ridiculous. Well then I guess I’m ridiculous.
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Wiseacre Bottom line is nobody is telling you who to like/dislike. What people are telling you is that it's not the only time this happened, and in some form that the team you cheer for has done it. Instead of resting their starters for a half, the Browns traded them away. And I am sure you can find somewhere in history that the Browns rested their starters. That makes you a casuist if you don't have the same issue with them doing it.
But let's ask one simple question. Since you are assuming that Colts win that game, let's assume that Browns had won the OT game with Titans in 2017 after they had gotten rid of those players. Do you now feel bad for the Ravens and Chargers since that loss by the Browns cost 1 of them a playoff spot since they ended up with 9-7 record same as Titans? If not, you are a mounteback.
See I can use big, rarely used words too. But it does kind of make sense that you think that you are ridiculous JUST because you have a different opinion, which is the furthest from the truth in my case. I even said you can have your hypocritical opinions, as that is some times how fans feel. But don't tell others how wrong they are, and even call people dumb, idiotic, etc for a different viewpoint than yourself
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Not even bothering to read your prattling on. Keep chasing yer tail. Larry asked that we move on and I have done so long ago but there you are doing your Travis Bickel imitation
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Not even bothering to read your prattling on. Keep chasing yer tail. Larry asked that we move on and I have done so long ago but there you are doing your Travis Bickel imitation
Larry asked that we move on and I have done so long ago but there you are doing your Travis Bickel imitation
Hoorta asked YOU to move on, never mentioned Gunz.
He seems to think YOU are the problem here.
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Larry asked that we move on and I have done so long ago but there you are doing your Travis Bickel imitation
Hoorta asked YOU to move on, never mentioned Gunz.
He seems to think YOU are the problem here.
Hoorta asked YOU to move on, never mentioned Gunz.
He seems to think YOU are the problem here.
Well now it seems that you are the problem because you’re sticking your nose in it like you are Gladys Kravitz
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Feckless Bottom line is that the Colts can suck forever in my opinion. Y’all can disagree with that if you’d like. But I guess if I don’t change my mind that makes me ridiculous. Well then I guess I’m ridiculous.
Feckless Bottom line is that the Colts can suck forever in my opinion. Y’all can disagree with that if you’d like. But I guess if I don’t change my mind that makes me ridiculous. Well then I guess I’m ridiculous.
No one here ever said you couldn't hate the Colts. I did say it's ridiculous to hold a grudge over something that happened 12 years ago- and it's not like even if the Browns had made the playoffs they were a lock to win the Super Bowl.
Oh, when beaten in an argument, change the parameters, hyperbole is always a good excuse, even if it has nothing to do with the original premise. Trying to deliberately injure a player (or trying to steal the other teams plays) is hardly in the same category as resting starters before your playoff game.
Well now it seems that you are the problem because you’re sticking your nose in it like you are Gladys Kravitz
And like I said- Ghoolie Jr. gotta respond.
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What you growing in it? You make wine with it?
Unless you're really daring up Ohio way you have to grow French hybrid grapes that are hardy enough to survive Ohio winters- where it's pretty routine to get a winter where it can get down to ten below zero for a day or two. Also here in SW Ohio because you get plenty of days with 80, or 90 degrees with really high humidity- you have to take measures to prevent rampant mildew attacking your grape vines.
Long years of experience- I really wanted to grow red wine grapes- the problem here in the city is birds think they're great food way before they're ripe enough for your purposes. So I gave up and ripped out my Baco Noir and planted Vidal Blanc. LOL, those bird brains usually are waiting for those grapes to turn red- which they never do. (this year being an exception, I probably lost at least 20% of my crop to the freaking flying feather foobers) Vidal is a hybrid of the French Ugni Blanc grape- the principal grape that Cognac comes from. When you're making cognac- you don't particularly care about quality, you just want a ton of grape juice (wine) that you can distill into booze.
So to not bore you any further- I learned that early in the year to prevent overcropping- you have to remove at least 50% of the baby grape clusters, less quantity = higher quality. I have a very nice cooperative thing going on. I grow the grapes- and a good friend of mine who's a terrific amateur winemaker take the grapes and we juice them (she's won a bunch of awards at the national American Wine Society conventions) makes wine out of them. We split the end result. It's a fairly decent white wine. This year- we got three gallons of juice, and that should turn into a case+ of wine, plenty enough for my purposes. Vidal is grown on a commercial scale here in the northeast US and even up in Canada where they make a Vidal ice wine- and that's really nice stuff, though I haven't yet figured out how to keep the birds, bugs, and mildew away anywhere near long enough to try making it. .
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What you growing in it? You make wine with it?
Unless you're really daring up Ohio way you have to grow French hybrid grapes that are hardy enough to survive Ohio winters- where it's pretty routine to get a winter where it can get down to ten below zero for a day or two. Also here in SW Ohio because you get plenty of days with 80, or 90 degrees with really high humidity- you have to take measures to prevent rampant mildew attacking your grape vines.
Long years of experience- I really wanted to grow red wine grapes- the problem here in the city is birds think they're great food way before they're ripe enough for your purposes. So I gave up and ripped out my Baco Noir and planted Vidal Blanc. LOL, those bird brains usually are waiting for those grapes to turn red- which they never do. (this year being an exception, I probably lost at least 20% of my crop to the freaking flying feather foobers) Vidal is a hybrid of the French Ugni Blanc grape- the principal grape that Cognac comes from. When you're making cognac- you don't particularly care about quality, you just want a ton of grape juice (wine) that you can distill into booze.
So to not bore you any further- I learned that early in the year to prevent overcropping- you have to remove at least 50% of the baby grape clusters, less quantity = higher quality. I have a very nice cooperative thing going on. I grow the grapes- and a good friend of mine who's a terrific amateur winemaker take the grapes and we juice them (she's won a bunch of awards at the national American Wine Society conventions) makes wine out of them. We split the end result. It's a fairly decent white wine. This year- we got three gallons of juice, and that should turn into a case+ of wine, plenty enough for my purposes. Vidal is grown on a commercial scale here in the northeast US and even up in Canada where they make a Vidal ice wine- and that's really nice stuff, though I haven't yet figured out how to keep the birds, bugs, and mildew away anywhere near long enough to try making it. .
Unless you're really daring up Ohio way you have to grow French hybrid grapes that are hardy enough to survive Ohio winters- where it's pretty routine to get a winter where it can get down to ten below zero for a day or two. Also here in SW Ohio because you get plenty of days with 80, or 90 degrees with really high humidity- you have to take measures to prevent rampant mildew attacking your grape vines.
Long years of experience- I really wanted to grow red wine grapes- the problem here in the city is birds think they're great food way before they're ripe enough for your purposes. So I gave up and ripped out my Baco Noir and planted Vidal Blanc. LOL, those bird brains usually are waiting for those grapes to turn red- which they never do. (this year being an exception, I probably lost at least 20% of my crop to the freaking flying feather foobers) Vidal is a hybrid of the French Ugni Blanc grape- the principal grape that Cognac comes from. When you're making cognac- you don't particularly care about quality, you just want a ton of grape juice (wine) that you can distill into booze.
So to not bore you any further- I learned that early in the year to prevent overcropping- you have to remove at least 50% of the baby grape clusters, less quantity = higher quality. I have a very nice cooperative thing going on. I grow the grapes- and a good friend of mine who's a terrific amateur winemaker take the grapes and we juice them (she's won a bunch of awards at the national American Wine Society conventions) makes wine out of them. We split the end result. It's a fairly decent white wine. This year- we got three gallons of juice, and that should turn into a case+ of wine, plenty enough for my purposes. Vidal is grown on a commercial scale here in the northeast US and even up in Canada where they make a Vidal ice wine- and that's really nice stuff, though I haven't yet figured out how to keep the birds, bugs, and mildew away anywhere near long enough to try making it. .
In and around Geneva Ohio, they grow lots of grapes and have quite a number of wineries. I know they make ice wine too. The climate along the lake seems to be pretty good for grapes. The Geneva Grape Festival is 9-28 and 9-29 this year. I may not be into wine but that is a fun weekend
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Feckless Bottom line is that the Colts can suck forever in my opinion. Y’all can disagree with that if you’d like. But I guess if I don’t change my mind that makes me ridiculous. Well then I guess I’m ridiculous.
No one here ever said you couldn't hate the Colts. I did say it's ridiculous to hold a grudge over something that happened 12 years ago- and it's not like even if the Browns had made the playoffs they were a lock to win the Super Bowl.
Oh, when beaten in an argument, change the parameters, hyperbole is always a good excuse, even if it has nothing to do with the original premise. Trying to deliberately injure a player (or trying to steal the other teams plays) is hardly in the same category as resting starters before your playoff game.
Well now it seems that you are the problem because you’re sticking your nose in it like you are Gladys Kravitz
And like I said- Ghoolie Jr. gotta respond.
No one here ever said you couldn't hate the Colts. I did say it's ridiculous to hold a grudge over something that happened 12 years ago- and it's not like even if the Browns had made the playoffs they were a lock to win the Super Bowl.
Oh, when beaten in an argument, change the parameters, hyperbole is always a good excuse, even if it has nothing to do with the original premise. Trying to deliberately injure a player (or trying to steal the other teams plays) is hardly in the same category as resting starters before your playoff game.
And like I said- Ghoolie Jr. gotta respond.
Why do you assume that I was beaten in any argument? You simply disagree with me in my opinion. There is no win or defeat in that at all. I still hold a grudge against the Broncos for what happened 33 years ago. So why not for something that happened 12 years ago. I hold a grudge against the Baltimore ravens simply because the used to be owned by Art Modell...and the BS that happened there. I hold a grudge against the Pittsburgh Steelers because they are the Pittsburgh Steelers. We’re all entitled to our opinions about this sort of thing.
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No one here ever said you couldn't hate the Colts. I did say it's ridiculous to hold a grudge over something that happened 12 years ago- and it's not like even if the Browns had made the playoffs they were a lock to win the Super Bowl.
Oh, when beaten in an argument, change the parameters, hyperbole is always a good excuse, even if it has nothing to do with the original premise. Trying to deliberately injure a player (or trying to steal the other teams plays) is hardly in the same category as resting starters before your playoff game.
And like I said- Ghoolie Jr. gotta respond.
Why do you assume that I was beaten in any argument? You simply disagree with me in my opinion. There is no win or defeat in that at all. I still hold a grudge against the Broncos for what happened 33 years ago. So why not for something that happened 12 years ago. I hold a grudge against the Baltimore ravens simply because the used to be owned by Art Modell...and the BS that happened there. I hold a grudge against the Pittsburgh Steelers because they are the Pittsburgh Steelers. We’re all entitled to our opinions about this sort of thing.
Why do you assume that I was beaten in any argument?
In thebrownsboard court room you lost this case/argument.
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Why do you assume that I was beaten in any argument?
In thebrownsboard court room you lost this case/argument.
In thebrownsboard court room you lost this case/argument.
In your opinion....which is all this has been about. Ergo, every single opinion that every person here holds must be a losing opinion...including the one you just gave.
This is not a fact based issue for which there is a right or wrong answer.
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In thebrownsboard court room you lost this case/argument.
In your opinion....which is all this has been about. Ergo, every single opinion that every person here holds must be a losing opinion...including the one you just gave.
This is not a fact based issue for which there is a right or wrong answer.
In your opinion....which is all this has been about. Ergo, every single opinion that every person here holds must be a losing opinion...including the one you just gave.
This is not a fact based issue for which there is a right or wrong answer.
I was merely stating the majority of the opinions have been the opposite of yours so if you and hoorta were presenting your cases to the board, the board finds in favor of hoorta. Therefore you would have lost the case or argument. I didn't see it at first when Larry said you were turning into a ghoolie jr., but now I would have to agree with him and my original opinion was wrong.
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You are obviously missing said point. No matter what the circumstance, by your standards not playing guys is showing no integrity. Instead of the recent injured guy "not being ready" how about the guys are getting MORE ready to achieve the actual goal, WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP.
We get it, since it effected the Browns you are against it. And nobody cares what legal construct. You are saying it because you wouldn't feel the same if the Browns were on the other end. While you have that right, it is hypocritical.
Like Hoorta said, please feel free to explain how you don't have a groaning session when the Browns got rid of all those vets (which certainly could have cost the team a couple wins) and based on a couple of their losses helped a team squeak into the playoffs.
And please don't give me the "trading to get draft picks is trying to get better ultimately." Exactly what do you think getting the best QB is doing? Oh, but I forgot, it was a team other than the Browns doing it so it was wrong.
Everyone has seen you complain about a lot of things, so we are supposed to believe that if the Browns were playing in a game that would not improve their playoff position that you wouldn't be up in arms if they played the starters and an integral part of the team (Baker, OBJ, Myles, Ward) got hurt you wouldn't come on here and shout to the world how stupid it was to play them when the game didn't matter?
Why not just put your big boy pants on, and just admit that you have less issues with something the Browns do as compared to other teams with the same situation. Im guessing it wouldn't be hard to go back and see how you responded to some instances of DV, yet once the conversation turned to Hunt once he was a Brown you tried to give "excuses/explanations." It may be wrong, but it would get more respect.
You come off as the type that wants to make everyone think you are right about everything, and will argue and downright tell anyone with a differing opinion how wrong they are instead of letting them have their opinion (right or wrong). And when you are given facts about how you were wrong, instead of just saying "hey guys I got that wrong" you give reasons/excuses why you were wrong, or try to make it look like you were right and someone else just misinterpreted.
You come off as the type that wants to make everyone think you are right about everything, and will argue and downright tell anyone with a differing opinion how wrong they are instead of letting them have their opinion (right or wrong). And when you are given facts about how you were wrong, instead of just saying "hey guys I got that wrong" you give reasons/excuses why you were wrong, or try to make it look like you were right and someone else just misinterpreted.
Where you been, man?
Better late than never I guess...
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You come off as the type that wants to make everyone think you are right about everything, and will argue and downright tell anyone with a differing opinion how wrong they are instead of letting them have their opinion (right or wrong). And when you are given facts about how you were wrong, instead of just saying "hey guys I got that wrong" you give reasons/excuses why you were wrong, or try to make it look like you were right and someone else just misinterpreted.
Where you been, man?
Better late than never I guess...
Where you been, man?
Better late than never I guess...
O trust me, I have known. Just the hypocrisy with this one Infelt that needed to be said. Once you try to act like the poor little guy because everyone deserves their opinion, yet act terribly to anyone who doesn't agree its ridiculous
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Where you been, man?
Better late than never I guess...
O trust me, I have known. Just the hypocrisy with this one Infelt that needed to be said. Once you try to act like the poor little guy because everyone deserves their opinion, yet act terribly to anyone who doesn't agree its ridiculous
O trust me, I have known. Just the hypocrisy with this one Infelt that needed to be said. Once you try to act like the poor little guy because everyone deserves their opinion, yet act terribly to anyone who doesn't agree its ridiculous
You are describing yourself perfectly.
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In your opinion....which is all this has been about. Ergo, every single opinion that every person here holds must be a losing opinion...including the one you just gave.
This is not a fact based issue for which there is a right or wrong answer.
I was merely stating the majority of the opinions have been the opposite of yours so if you and hoorta were presenting your cases to the board, the board finds in favor of hoorta. Therefore you would have lost the case or argument. I didn't see it at first when Larry said you were turning into a ghoolie jr., but now I would have to agree with him and my original opinion was wrong.
I was merely stating the majority of the opinions have been the opposite of yours so if you and hoorta were presenting your cases to the board, the board finds in favor of hoorta. Therefore you would have lost the case or argument. I didn't see it at first when Larry said you were turning into a ghoolie jr., but now I would have to agree with him and my original opinion was wrong.
No....absofuckinglutely not. You cannont have a win/loss on a matter of opinion. I mean...you can tell me to shove my opinion up my ass...just as I can tell you the same thing. But you cannot declare a winner or loser. Example....I think the people that have made the previous two posts are acting like a couple of lesbians...but that is just my opinion. You are allowed to differ if you choose.
In my opinion, the Colts in that game in 2007 violated football integrity. All y'all can protest otherwise....but you will just have to live with that. That is my opinion. Why should I be forced to change it just because think otherwise.
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You are describing yourself perfectly.
You won't find ANYWHERE where I have called you or anyone else names. But you have done it many times for people who disagreed with your opinion. Want an indirect example? Talking about the Browns and their move to Baltimore.
And sorry man, but some of what you have put on THIS subject is not an opinion. You started by stating that the Colts didn't play their starters. That is not an opinion, that is a statement with evidence that can be determined. And you were wrong.
Yes, some of what you have said is opinion. But what you are failing to comprehend, or just blatantly ignoring is that people aren't replying to you because you have an opinion. They are replying because of your double standard.
Had you just said, yep I hate the Colts and the major reason is for this, and when faced with the Browns doing it just owned up and said you have a different standard for them, all of this could have been quelled.
But you are an unreasonable, self righteous, know it all who will spin away to make something never you being wrong. And there are examples of this on this forum. Just because I remembered it, look at the college board after the NC game. You asked how was it Clemson had an extra REGULAR SEASON game than anyone else. When it was pointed out that was FALSE, instead of just saying "yep, got that one wrong" you deflect and say your post was misunderstood or something along those lines.
What I observe, you the majority of the time aren't on here to have a healthy discussion. You are out to argue and tell people how wrong they are. And when you have no way to respond, you deflect, come up with an excuse, try to insult someone, or find a "legal" way to respond.
And on one occasion I can remember, there could be more, you tried to insult people for not doing your trivia thing. You told everyone that they weren't smart enough to do it, not even giving credit to ones who just don't care. Anyone can make themselves APPEAR smart when they are making a quiz/test up. You have the answers, so exactly how hard is it. Yet you try to act as if you actually KNOW all the things you put on there. Yet on several occasions when the Browns have signed someone, or even when a player has been brought up you ask what position they play, where they played, etc. And these aren't just back of the roster type players.
I have often heard an old adage, if you have problems with multiple people or failures at multiple things, there is only one common denominator in there, YOU. There are MULTIPLE people who seem to have issue with you and how you post in this thread alone, shouldn't that tell you something? Maybe not to a narcissist like you.
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