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Why did we go 0-16 on 2017?

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  • Nero NeroN Conversation Starter Very Popular Posting Machine Collaborator First Post Reacting Well Dedicated One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
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    NeroN Nero wrote on last edited by
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    After the today's cuts, we can see how. 

    HC - Hue. Out of the league

    QBs - Kizer, Kessler, Hogan. Cut by 3 different teams.

    WR - Coleman cut by the Bills, Ricardo Louis will miss another full season due to an injury for the second time since he left the Browns. 

    RB - Isaiah Crowell. Will miss the whole season due to an injury. 

    That offense was offensive, but to the Browns' fans that had to watch it. 

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      A comedy of errors..... but not funny to watch.

      GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND!
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        Answer: Huey

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          Bad Management  

          BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE
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            I am trying to forget that year thanks ?

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              Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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              How does a franchise QB like Kevin Hogan get cut? 

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                hx214H hx214 wrote on last edited by
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                Because they wanted to.

                It’s a great model....

                Sign nobody, cut vets, swap high draft picks for lower and future higher draft picks.

                Drag your franchise through the mud and fans get to eat shit sandwiches for two years. 

                Thanks for nothing Sashi...

                If they make the playoffs this year it MIGHT have been worth it... but those two years were awful...

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                  After the today's cuts, we can see how. 

                  HC - Hue. Out of the league

                  QBs - Kizer, Kessler, Hogan. Cut by 3 different teams.

                  WR - Coleman cut by the Bills, Ricardo Louis will miss another full season due to an injury for the second time since he left the Browns. 

                  RB - Isaiah Crowell. Will miss the whole season due to an injury. 

                  That offense was offensive, but to the Browns' fans that had to watch it. 

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                  The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by The Gipper
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                  @nero said:

                  After the today's cuts, we can see how. 

                  HC - Hue. Out of the league

                  QBs - Kizer, Kessler, Hogan. Cut by 3 different teams.

                  WR - Coleman cut by the Bills, Ricardo Louis will miss another full season due to an injury for the second time since he left the Browns. 

                  RB - Isaiah Crowell. Will miss the whole season due to an injury. 

                  That offense was offensive, but to the Browns' fans that had to watch it. 

                  We also still had Josh Gordon, for a bit.  (or did he have to sit out that whole year?)

                  Bottom line:  drastic failures at drafting over a period of years.  Weeden/JMZ/Gilbert/Mingo/Coleman/Erving/Shelton?/Richardson.  A football generation of busts.

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                    Why? They sucked. 

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                      Answer: Huey

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                      @texasag1969 said:

                      Answer: Huey

                      I can't blame it all on The Huebatross, though he was certainly a contributing factor. The talent level was atrocious. I think even Bill B. would have been hard pressed to pull out more than four wins with that collective pile of garbage he had to work with. 

                      I looked back, and only six starters remain from that disaster. Kenny Britt was on that team- need I say more?  

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                        NeroN Nero wrote on last edited by Nero
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                        I wrote this post at 3AM after a long day so I didn't fully express my intention. 

                        First of all, Sashi didn't draft well, but the captain of the ship was the worst possible coach too. If your HC and QB are awful, your team is gonna suffer no matter what. Few players of that team got to redeem themselves as we saw yesterday with the cuts, so we were in for a shitshow anyway I guess. 

                        Finally, we are talking about people that HAVE LEFT the team. We improved each position of the stated above, and though we can't say if Kitchens is going to be a great head coach or not, at least we know he is a honest man, he is not fake, which is a main attribute any good leader must have. 

                        One of my friends that I introduced to the NFL asked me what did I think the Browns are going to achieve this season, and though I am cautious and I don't see a Superbowl, I think we are in for a long ride and we will enjoy every sunday with this team. And that's really good news. 

                        I joined this fandom that fatidic 2017 season. I haven't been here for all these almost 20 years of the factory of sadness, but it took me one year as a fan to see the Browns win, and in my opinion all that suffering is going to make us enjoy even more this season. 

                        Let's go Browns fans, you deserve this one! 😉

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                          Because they wanted to.

                          It’s a great model....

                          Sign nobody, cut vets, swap high draft picks for lower and future higher draft picks.

                          Drag your franchise through the mud and fans get to eat shit sandwiches for two years. 

                          Thanks for nothing Sashi...

                          If they make the playoffs this year it MIGHT have been worth it... but those two years were awful...

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                          flyingfooldougF flyingfooldoug wrote on last edited by
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                          @hx214 said:

                          Because they wanted to.

                          It’s a great model....

                          Sign nobody, cut vets, swap high draft picks for lower and future higher draft picks.

                          Drag your franchise through the mud and fans get to eat shit sandwiches for two years. 

                          Thanks for nothing Sashi...

                          If they make the playoffs this year it MIGHT have been worth it... but those two years were awful...

                          2 years? What? We were good before that? Closer to 22 years

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                            flyingfooldougF flyingfooldoug wrote on last edited by
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                            Sushi Brown, genius to some. To me tho, Out of the league!

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                              Sushi Brown, genius to some. To me tho, Out of the league!

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                              @flyingfooldoug said:

                              Sushi Brown, genius to some. To me tho, Out of the league!

                              And now into basketball.

                              http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001036420/article/exbrowns-evp-sashi-brown-joins-washington-wizards

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                                @flyingfooldoug said:

                                Sushi Brown, genius to some. To me tho, Out of the league!

                                And now into basketball.

                                http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001036420/article/exbrowns-evp-sashi-brown-joins-washington-wizards

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                                flyingfooldougF flyingfooldoug wrote on last edited by
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                                @texasag1969 said:

                                And now into basketball.

                                http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001036420/article/exbrowns-evp-sashi-brown-joins-washington-wizards

                                I’ve seen that. Maybe he can tell the difference between tall and short?

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                                  @hx214 said:

                                  Because they wanted to.

                                  It’s a great model....

                                  Sign nobody, cut vets, swap high draft picks for lower and future higher draft picks.

                                  Drag your franchise through the mud and fans get to eat shit sandwiches for two years. 

                                  Thanks for nothing Sashi...

                                  If they make the playoffs this year it MIGHT have been worth it... but those two years were awful...

                                  2 years? What? We were good before that? Closer to 22 years

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                                  Bob806B Bob806 wrote on last edited by Bob806
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                                  @flyingfooldoug said:

                                  2 years? What? We were good before that? Closer to 22 years

                                  2008-2017 to be honest. 

                                  38-122 in that span, probably the worst 10 year record in NFL history☹️

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                                    @flyingfooldoug said:

                                    2 years? What? We were good before that? Closer to 22 years

                                    2008-2017 to be honest. 

                                    38-122 in that span, probably the worst 10 year record in NFL history☹️

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                                    flyingfooldougF flyingfooldoug wrote on last edited by
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                                    @bob806 said:

                                    2008-2017 to be honest. 

                                    34-126 in that span, probably the worst 10 year record in NFL history☹️

                                    And from 1996 to 2008, other than 2 seasons, pretty much all suckage

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                                      I wrote this post at 3AM after a long day so I didn't fully express my intention. 

                                      First of all, Sashi didn't draft well, but the captain of the ship was the worst possible coach too. If your HC and QB are awful, your team is gonna suffer no matter what. Few players of that team got to redeem themselves as we saw yesterday with the cuts, so we were in for a shitshow anyway I guess. 

                                      Finally, we are talking about people that HAVE LEFT the team. We improved each position of the stated above, and though we can't say if Kitchens is going to be a great head coach or not, at least we know he is a honest man, he is not fake, which is a main attribute any good leader must have. 

                                      One of my friends that I introduced to the NFL asked me what did I think the Browns are going to achieve this season, and though I am cautious and I don't see a Superbowl, I think we are in for a long ride and we will enjoy every sunday with this team. And that's really good news. 

                                      I joined this fandom that fatidic 2017 season. I haven't been here for all these almost 20 years of the factory of sadness, but it took me one year as a fan to see the Browns win, and in my opinion all that suffering is going to make us enjoy even more this season. 

                                      Let's go Browns fans, you deserve this one! 😉

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                                      FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by
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                                      @nero said:

                                      I wrote this post at 3AM after a long day so I didn't fully express my intention. 

                                      First of all, Sashi didn't draft well, but the captain of the ship was the worst possible coach too. If your HC and QB are awful, your team is gonna suffer no matter what. Few players of that team got to redeem themselves as we saw yesterday with the cuts, so we were in for a shitshow anyway I guess. 

                                      Finally, we are talking about people that HAVE LEFT the team. We improved each position of the stated above, and though we can't say if Kitchens is going to be a great head coach or not, at least we know he is a honest man, he is not fake, which is a main attribute any good leader must have. 

                                      One of my friends that I introduced to the NFL asked me what did I think the Browns are going to achieve this season, and though I am cautious and I don't see a Superbowl, I think we are in for a long ride and we will enjoy every sunday with this team. And that's really good news. 

                                      I joined this fandom that fatidic 2017 season. I haven't been here for all these almost 20 years of the factory of sadness, but it took me one year as a fan to see the Browns win, and in my opinion all that suffering is going to make us enjoy even more this season. 

                                      Let's go Browns fans, you deserve this one! 😉

                                      I'm surprised our opponents didn't have "Here Comes Santa Claus" playing over the loud speakers when our Offense took the field.  That said, I do remember hearing some of the music from the movie  "Jaws"  one of the countless times the offense looked as helpless as that kid on the little yellow raft.

                                      Adding insult to injury, a lot of our hand selected offensive linemen couldn't count to 2. So by all means, let's try a long count on the first play of the game so we can be looking at 1st and 15 as soon as possible.  Unfortunately, that was the better alternative to deferring when we won the coin toss and being down 7-0 just a couple minutes later. 

                                      It's refreshing to have a FO that gives our coaching staff legitimate attack pieces to play gridiron chess with.  I never thought I'd type anything like this but the ONLY people mentioning SB expectations are some media sources that aren't quite up on our offensive line.  I think our Oline will gel and Baker will help that as he did last year when many expected disaster up front in life after Joe Thomas.  It's just a question of how soon and how prepared we are for injury.  On paper, we're much improved at the skill positions that put points on the scoreboard as well as pressure on QBs to justify a lot pre-season optimism with our fan base. In Dutch's Predictions thread last year, I predicted 8-8 (and we went 7-8-1) while the Browns were 1-1-1 in OT games (missing anything from extra points to multiple kicks). That was the only thing I got somewhat right aside from my screen name.

                                      I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"
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                                        @texasag1969 said:

                                        And now into basketball.

                                        http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001036420/article/exbrowns-evp-sashi-brown-joins-washington-wizards

                                        I’ve seen that. Maybe he can tell the difference between tall and short?

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                                        @flyingfooldoug said:

                                        I’ve seen that. Maybe he can tell the difference between tall and short?

                                        You know he will try to trade for Mike Evans from the Bucs! He played basketball before going to football his senior year in HS. He catches many a pass by posting up his defenders.?

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                                          Why? They sucked. 

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                                          The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                                          @alkid3 said:

                                          Why? They sucked. 

                                          By they...I assume you mean:   Weeden/JMZ/Gilbert/Mingo/Coleman/Erving/Shelton?/Richardson.  A football generation of busts.

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